“Duke, I’m not sure you’re right that it’s just a statistical outlier. After a little examination, it doesn’t look like there’s even that strong of a correlation between penalty yards and wins. And correlation doesn’t automatically equate to causation.

The top 16 teams in penalty yards per game in 2012 had 136 wins. The bottom 16 teams had 119 wins. That’s approx. 1 win per team more. The top 16 had 6 playoff teams. The bottom 16 had 6 playoff teams. The middle of the list seemed to be the best predictor of making the playoffs. Teams 10-20 had 6 playoff teams.

Take 2011. The Colts were #1 and Jags #3 in penalty yards a game. Both were god awful, though that doesn’t necessarily prove a trend. The top 16 teams in penalty yards had 8 playoff teams. The bottom 16 4 playoff teams. Teams 10-20 had 4 playoff teams. The top 16 teams had 137 wins. The bottom 16 teams had 119 wins. That’s almost the same as 2012. There was one tie in 2012, so there was one less win out there.

In 2010, the top 16 teams in penalty yards had 6 playoff teams. The bottom 16 had 6 playoff teams obviously. Teams 10-20 had 5 playoff teams. The top 16 teams had 134 wins. The bottom 16 teams had 122 wins.

In 2009, the top 16 teams in penalty yards had 5 playoff teams. The bottom 16 teams had 7 playoff teams. Teams 10-20 had 4 playoff teams. The top ten teams only had 2 playoff teams.

I know penalties leading to losses is conventional wisdom, but it doesn’t seem to hold water. You’d need to analyze more years to get a better idea, but there doesn’t seem to be any correlation even the last 4 years.

Obviously penalty yards hurt you in a game. But that has to be weighed against being a physical team and other factors that help you win but may lead to more penalties. I would guess that you’d see more of a correlation with mental penalties and winning and losing. I just want the Hawks to limit the mental mistakes. I can live with aggressive penalties and not being top ten in penalty yards a game.”

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2013/08/26/morning-links-dont-worry-about-those-penalties/#more-18288#storylink=cpy

]]>Of course penalties hurt a team, but it does matter what type of penalties they are IMO. Pre-snap, mental mistakes are inexcusable. Aggressive penalties are not all the time. I’d take another 15 yards for Kam knocking Davis out on Sunday again. I’d bet you would too. Being in the top of the league in least penalty yards is certainly not a prerequisite to win the SB. It’s just one example, but Balt was dead last in penalty yards in 2012.

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]]>I wish that would of happened gvineq. I was in favor of it at the time too.

]]>Fans that went from knowledgeable and level headed turned into “Dallas Cowboy fan” clones. Every game was going to be an easy win on the road to the SB and every lose was because someone cheated or the game was called bad.

Intelligent discussions went out the window. If you disagreed with the popular option then you were attacked in childish manors.

I remember being one of the few people on an old Seahawks message board(one that I think is still around) that I was in favor of keeping Hutchinson over Alexander in what was Hutchinson’s last season in Seattle.

You had to wade through post after post of “you don’t know what you’re talking about because you are an ” post in order to find one that made sense.

Not living in Seattle, message boards were a great way to get current news and this was one of the few boards left where one could still have an intelligent conversation but the Wilson/Flynn debate ended that, for the most part.

People seem to forget that it’s ok to be a fan of a team, give respect to the next opponent and discuss ways to make the team better. Too many people decided that every discussion had to have winner and that winner was based on who yelled the loudest and had the most supporters.

]]>Seattle on the other hand Was in every single game last year at the end of each game with a chance to win. They never lost by more than 6 points.

Carroll has proven to have his team ready each and every game.

I don’t think we can say the same thing about San Francisco last year can we?

There’s more to team discipline then having the fewest penalties in a game imo.

And the facts simply don’t show that San Francisco overall was a more disciplined team last year.