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Avril uncertain for season opener; Mebane suffers groin injury

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm with 65 Comments »
August 26, 2013 3:29 pm

The news on the injury front concerning the Seattle Seahawks’ defensive line was not good, as head coach Pete Carroll talked to reporters after practice today.

Carroll said the team’s projected starter at “Leo” defensive end, Cliff Avril, re-aggravated a hamstring injury that kept him out of last week’s game at Green Bay.

“That was a whole week ago,” Carroll said. “That was way back when. It seems like old news to me. But that’s why he didn’t practice much last week.”

Carroll said he doesn’t know if Avril will be ready for the team’s season opener at Carolina.

The Seahawks also suffered another setback up front during practice, with defensive tackle Brandon Mebane suffering a groin injury midway through the team’s two-hour workout. Mebane watched the rest of practice from the sideline.

“He had a little groin thing today,” Carroll said. “We’ll see what that means.”

Carroll said the team decided to place rookie defensive tackle Jesse Williams on the season-ending injured list because he could not work through a lingering knee issue.

“It’s going to take him a long time, so (we wanted) to give him the consideration to get it right,” Carroll said. “This is the right thing we can do for Jesse. And he did everything we asked of him, and looked good when he had his chances. But his knee wasn’t holding up, so we had to give him a big break.”

Carroll went on to say that Williams looked really hobbled in the Denver game two weeks ago.

With Williams on the injured reserve, and Jordan Hill out with a strained bicep, it would appear Tony McDaniel has earned the starting defensive tackle job by default. But Carroll would not name McDaniel the starter yet.

“Tony had a nice game,” Carroll said. “He did well. He was active, and was aggressive. He knocked a ball down, got some movement in his pass rush. We were happy with the way he played, so we’re going to need to put another week together.

“I’ve been telling you for a long time that it’s going to be the whole preseason to figure it out. I would love to see him come back and have another big game.”

Carroll said that defensive end Chris Clemons will remain on the physically unable to perform (PUP list, and will not practice this week. The Seahawks still have a tough decision to make on whether to put Clemons on the active roster for Week 1 of the regular season, or keep him on the PUP list at the beginning of the season.

And that decision has been made even tougher with Avril’s lingering hamstring issues.

“His workout, the one I watched on film I think was yesterday, was a terrific workout,” Carroll said about Clemons. “He was out here for 40-something minutes straight working. He’s taking all of that, and he’s going to continue to take the next step to start pushing on people and all of that.

“He’s making great progress. I don’t know how close he is weeks-wise or games-wise, or any of that. But when I talked to him today, he feels really good. And he’s excited that he’s getting closer to it.”

Competition is on at RB
Carroll indicated that rookie Christine Michael is in a battle with Robert Turbin for the No. 2 spot at running back, and he threw Marshawn Lynch in there for good measure.

“The competition is on,” Carroll said. “And Marshawn, too.”

Michael has shown impressive explosiveness in the open field, along with an extra gear that Turbin and Lynch don’t appear to have.

And while Michael has made more splash plays than Turbin did his rookie season in exhibition play, Carroll admitted that Michael still has a ways to go in mastering Seattle’s offense.

“He has made a real flashy first impression,” Carroll said about Michael. “And we’re excited about it. He’s doesn’t have the whole thing yet. He has a lot of work to do. He’s not always reading things properly. But he surely shows a suddenness that gives you a chance to feel that he’s going to bust something. So it’s great to see him in the passing game too, helping us out.”

Carroll said that rookie Spencer Ware jammed his wrist the first or second play he was in against Green Bay, which is why he didn’t play very much against the Packers. Carroll said Ware will play against Oakland this week.

Injury update

Carroll said the team decided to rest cornerback Antoine Winfield against Green Bay because he had a sore knee. Winfield returned to practice today, and Carroll said he’s feeling good.

Tight end Zach Miller practiced fully today, as the team tries to get him ready for the Carolina game. Carroll said that Miller likely will not play on Thursday against Oakland.

“He probably could play this week, and he wants to play this week,” Carroll said. “We’ll figure that out by the end of the week. We’ve been shooting for the opener the whole time.”

Offensive lineman James Carpenter also returned to practice after sitting out for a few weeks with a foot issue. Carpenter got a handful of snaps with the starters at left guard today.

“It was great to see Carp back out there,” Carroll said. “He got a heck of a workout today. And it’s always about how he comes back the next day, and we’ll add them up.”

Fullback Michael Robinson returned to practice today as a spectator, after missing most of last week with an undisclosed illness. Carroll described Robinson as violently ill with an undisclosed illness last week.

“He was really sick,” Carroll said. “And there’s still some concerns about whatever he’s got, and he’s still trying to figure it out.”

Others who did not practice today include Sidney Rice (knee) and Jeron Johnson, who had a family matter to attend to.

Clemons (knee), cornerback Tharold Simon (foot), Greg Scruggs (knee) and Percy Harvin (hip) remain on the PUP list. Linebacker Korey Toomer (hip) remains on the non-football injury list.

Gresham gets a new deal
With the Seahawks releasing long snapper Kyle Nelson, the inevitable occurred today. Starting long snapper Clint Gresham, who was slapped with a restricted tender contract of $1.3 million, signed a two-year extension, $1.655 million extension with the Seahawks, according to Brian McIntyre of Yahoo Sports.

With Gresham signed through 2014, the Seahawks saved about $500,000 in cap space

Notes from practice
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  1. If they place Clemons on PUP how soon could they bring him back??

    Unfortunately we’re a little banged up but not even close to what other teams are facing. At least it looks like most won’t be out for long.

  2. chuck_easton says:

    So, with the injury to Mebane I’m willing to go out on a limb here and say that we probably won’t see a DL name when the team announces the other 6 cuts they have to make before 1pm PT tomorrow?

  3. chuck_easton says:


    If a player starts the season on PUP he must sit out the team’s first 6 games.

    He can then begin practicing with the team who have up to 4 weeks to decide if they are going to activate the player or move them to IR.

    So, to start on PUP puts Clemons out until October 17th at the earliest.

  4. thanks Chuck! Tough decision with Clem. Sounds like he might be close enough where they decide to keep him on active and hope for game 2 or 3?

  5. Dukeshire says:

    The d line is just racked right now. I wonder if, when Irvin is reinstated, and the line is still this thin, if they revert him back to DE in the interim?

  6. bbnate420 says:

    LV, actually Eric said that they have until week 15 to decide. I know that they have at least until week 12. They have at least 3 weeks from the start of week 7 to have the player start practicing and at least 3 weeks from that date to activate or IR them.

  7. bbnate420 says:

    Great to hear that Carp is back practicing!

  8. banosser says:

    Vikes FB Felton suspended 3 games for ’12 DUI…

    Felton got his DUI one month before Lynch.. I believe this is Felton’s second

  9. SaigonSun says:

    I guess Moffitt for a DL player starts to make sense.
    Get rid of underachieving and immature player to send clear message to the rest of the team and get a huge body in the middle of the Defense, Just in case … Someone to replace injured Hill and IRed “Monsta”.

  10. sluggo42 says:

    I have all fingers and toes crossed for carp to finally be ready to be an every game player. That would let us move mcQ over and get wheezy off the field while he learns the pass pro game. Actually hoping bialy or Bowie to take that spot soon for a nice 10 year run…

    Avril…. Dammit. I dunno if he is sandbagging or not, I’ve pulled hammies back when I played baseball, and they are tough to deal with for sure. Mega stretching is so important pre- everything

  11. DJammmer says:

    I don’t think anyone would ever want there coach to say “he has a little groin thing.”

  12. DJammer…that’s funny! I was thinking the same thing.

  13. CA’s 10 sacks for DET in 2012 was due in part to DET’s DTs soaking up blockers, but maybe PC/Quinn can scheme CA to best advantage to help him duplicate that productivity(?) And pray that CC is healthy in week 7.

    As far as how well Moffitt played for DEN vs STL, PFF didn’t list him as having played in the game at all (even though the NFL gamebook had him playing at guard as a substitute.) It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen mistakes in gamebooks, and the NFL never seems to correct them.

    It was interesting that in PC’s interview he spoke of how well he thought M.Bowie played vs GB. He subbed in for McQ at LG for 15 run and 21 pass plays, nearly the same number of plays as McQ played, but mostly against backups Datone Jones and Mike Daniels (GB cut Gilbert Pena – not sure about Mike Neal). That may be enough drop off in performance from GB’s CJ Wilson to explain the slightly better performance PFF recorded for M.Bowie over McQ, but it’s interesting to me that PC noted Bowie’s performance (even though Bowie allowed a QB hit plus a hurry). It would sure be great to at least have an OL settled on that could play together for the next ten years or so…

  14. RDPoulsbo says:

    Classic political move. It’s pretty obvious PC didn’t want to talk about Avril so he cut it off and went to a friendly questioner (Ventrella) to ask about players that are getting healthy. Just had to mention that because it was so obvious from the video.

    Mebane watched the rest of practice as opposed to spending it in the training room. At least that’s a sign that it’s not serious. Wasn’t too worried about the d-line injuries, but Week 1 is getting closer and the increased number of wounded is discouraging.

  15. Did I hear sometime back that PC/Quinn had been trying O’Brien Scofield at RDE?

  16. raymaines says:

    I’m not proposing anything, but what do you suppose Buffalo would give for T-Jack now?

  17. seahawksteven777 says:

    Well, we are playing the Panthers week 1. I don’t think we need to be at full strength for that game. The week after we do and thus, some guys could miss that Panthers game if need be. Of course, we’d all like to see every one playing.

  18. RW”3″?

  19. James Carpenter’s first practice in weeks and right away was taking snaps with the starters. That’s telling.

    I have to think McQuistan moves to RG and Sweezy moves to the bench soon. Not that Sqeeze is all that bad, but it takes longer than a year to play OG at the NFL level.

  20. RDPoulsbo says:

    I hate the RW3 moniker, but the #3 is for his jersey number, not a suffix of his name, which does not exist. I don’t like it because it obviously tries to tie him to RG3. Stupid. I don’t want Wilson to try to emulate broken knees.

  21. raymaines says:

    Carolina’s defensive front 7 is pretty darn good. I think they match up pretty well with the ‘Hawks running game. I also think the Seahawks can pass them silly and the ‘Hawks defense is WAY better than Carolina’s offense. Our D should give the O lots of chances to put up some points and the O is good enough to put up maybe 24 points, plus whatever the Defense and Special Teams might score.

    This won’t be a cakewalk, but Seattle should win going away.

  22. raymaines says:


  23. Anybody else here think Tarvaris Jackson will be smiling next week when he leads the Seattle Seahawks against Matt Flynn’s pathetic Oakland Raiders?

    Oh that’s right, Flynn will be sitting with a sore arm again so he doesn’t have to compete with anybody. Surprise surprise.

  24. I think we all knew that Jesse Williams was an IR listing waiting to happen, right? 31 teams don’t pass on a guy like that for four rounds unless he has a medical problem.

    So perhaps the Seahawks considered Jesse a 2014 project all along. We’ll see if a year makes a difference to that knee.

    Makes me wonder, also. What if we had followed the other teams and followed doctors’ advice and not drafted Williams. We could have drafted Montori Hughes in the same spot in the 5th round. He’s a 330-lb monster DT who could be backing up Mebane right now. Seahawks may have blown it there.

  25. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m still disappointed they couldn’t fleece the Raiders with a higher draft pick, but once the trade was made, he wasn’t Seattle’s problem anymore. Oh well, maybe Quinn will come in handy down there…

  26. ChrisHolmes says:

    @Dukeshire – Without question, I think Irving plays DE when he gets back.

    Putting Irving at LB was a luxury move designed to get the four best pass rushers on the field at the same time. We won’t see that until week 6 at the earliest.

    But boy oh boy… is it gonna look awesome if it happens. Irving, Clemmons, Bennet, Avril… Ouch.

  27. chuck_easton says:

    Lets go back just one season before anybody starts saying things like ‘ at least we only play the Panthers so we don’t have to be at full strength’.

    Last year at this time the talk wad that playing Arizona week one was going to be like having a fifth pre-season game.

    How did that work out?

  28. Agreed, Chuck. And in our super bowl season, we got beat on opening day on the road by Jacksonville. Its tough to go on the road opening day.

  29. seahawkfan97 says:

    I don’t see the oline playing together for ten years once it is figured out as JS/PC like to stay young and cheap..would be nice though
    cant wait for week one

  30. raymaines says:

    No, no, no…..

    Bruce Irvin will be given every chance at LB. PC is evasive at times but he never ever lies. He knew BI would be suspended and continued to play him at LB. That tells me BI is going to live or die as a LB. Give or take the concept of hybrid positions and all the other usual disclaimers…

  31. If anyone has earned money in the NFL they did not deserve based on past performance AND will never be able to justify it’s Matt Flynn. At least Harvin and Avril will come close to earning their contracts in the future.

  32. ray – good point about Buffalo and Tjack! Some of you may not have seen that Jeff Tuel (WSU) is starting qb for Week 1 vs Patriots. I believe first undrafted qb starter since 1967. Good opportunity for him to hopefully cement a backup qb job when EJ gets back. Looks like Kolb is done.

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    chuck- Say this twelve times in a row-“I trust in Wilson”. See how easy that is?
    Now you have no need to worry in week one.

  34. pabuwal – ya got that right.

    Matt Flynn
    guaranteed money 2012: $8M
    guaranteed money 2013: $6.5M

    Kevin Kolb
    guaranteed money 2012: $21M
    guaranteed money 2013: $1M

    I should have been an agent.

  35. “Lets go back just one season before anybody starts saying things like ‘ at least we only play the Panthers so we don’t have to be at full strength’.”

    Totally agree, not a gimme game, esp on the road. We’re good, but we’ve proven zero in the ’13 season. I do expect PC will have our guys ready. We have the feel of a hungry team, so I’m hoping for better road performances this season.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Elvis Presley If I Can Dream Lyrics

    Songwriters: WALTER EARL BROWN

    (Words & music by brown)

    “The Seahawks are burning brighter this year”
    “The Seahawks are flying more bright in the night this year”
    “If we can dream of a better land”
    “Where all our Seahawks walk hand in hand”
    “Tell me why, oh why, oh why can’t our dreams come true”
    “Oh why”

    “There must be peace and understanding sometime”
    “Strong secondary of promise that will blow you away”
    “All the doubt and fear”
    “If we can dream of a better year”
    “Where hope keeps shining on everyone”
    ‘Tell me why, oh why, oh why wont this team appear”

  37. seahawk44 says:

    RDPoulsbo….I am totally with you on hating the RW3 nickname for all the reasons you mentioned.
    I’ve been waiting 35 years for the Seahawks to get a franchise QB, and they may finally have him.
    His name is Wilson. Just like the name on the ball.

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Tell me why, oh why, oh why won’t BobbyK reappear much?”

  39. ChrisHolmes says:

    I watched part of that Carolina/Baltimore pre-season game. Carolina’s defense gave them fits.

    It’s gonna be a tough game to open on the road with, no question. We’re going to have to play better than we showed against GB with our first-team guys.

    There really are no gimmes in the NFL.

  40. Southendzone says:

    Totally disagree with

    “don’t think we need to be at full strength for that game”


    “This won’t be a cakewalk, but Seattle should win going away”

    Week 1, on the road, vs a physical D-Line, with what looks right now to be questions on your own O-Line, this game should come out with the line maybe Hawks favored by between 3 and 4.5.

    There are only 3 really horrible teams in the league right now, NYJ, OAK, and JAX (in that order worst to 3rd worst). Other than that you can’t go into anyone’s home field and expect a win.

    Seahawks hopefully can get it done but it’s going to be a battle.

  41. RW3 told Dan Patrick about the day he was named the starting QB:

    – Wilson took us back a year to the day he found out he was going to start for the Seahawks: “One of the equipment guys comes over and says hey Russ, Coach Carroll wants to see you. He’s actually outside shooting baskets. He’s doing Michael Jordan fadeaways and I’m trying to figure out what’s going on.” Wilson said that’s when he told him the news. And Wilson said that he immediately thought of his father, who has passed, and thinks he was up high looking on and smiling.

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    mocarob- Wilson is special and some will finally see it this year, imo.

  43. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Agree with chuck as I was at the AZ game last year and there were a large number of Seahawk fans walking around. Everyone with feeling super confident and many of the Cardinal fans were nervous and concerned. That all changed in the first few minutes of the game. Terrible O-line blocking and all of a sudden, we couldn’t move the ball or score. AZs defense was all over that game. Still had several chances at the end of the game to pull out the win, but the team just didn’t make enough plays and lost. I was on the 15 yard line near the endzone that Baldwin broke his teeth out trying to catch the winning TD. That game sucked and as was mentioned it looked like our guys believed it was the fifth preseason game. Nobody told the Cardinals and if anybody thinks for one second that Carolina will be a pushover, they are sadly mistaken. Especially after we barely escaped last year with a win at 16-12.

  44. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I also agree the RW3 thing needs to go away. He’s Russell Wilson. We don’t need a version nickname similar to RG3. Russell is his own man with his own style. I think it’s kinda insulting to call him that actually.

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “We are the world, we are the Seahawks”

    “There comes a time when we heed a certain call”
    “When the Seahawk fans must come together as one”
    “This team is trying”
    “To make it to the promise land”
    “And get the greatest gift of all”

    “We can’t go on pretending day by day”
    “That this team somehow won’t make a change”
    “We are all a part of the Seahawks big family”
    “And the truth, you know”
    “Wilson is about all we need”

    “We are the Seahawks, but not without Wilson”
    “We are the ones who make the NFL bright”
    “So lets start giving”
    “There’s a choice we’re making”
    “We’re gonna win the west”
    “Its true we’ll be the better team”
    “For all to see”

  46. I agree with others here: Carolina will be tough. I don’t like all these injuries cropping up at this time.

  47. Lawrence Jackson cut by the Vikes. Doesn’t that mean the last 2 first rounders of the Ruskell era were pretty much a bust? Sure makes me glad we’ve got JS and PC running the show now. And hats off to our scouting department. Can’t say enough good things about them.

  48. montanamike2 says:

    I’ve been waiting 35 years for the Seahawks to get a franchise QB, and they may finally have him.
    His name is Wilson. Just like the name on the ball.

    Best post of the day, Seahawk44
    The Cards are bad as well as buffalo, there are good teams coming but we find a way to win. If we get the division we will host a playoff game or two and maybe even have Harvin as our X factor.

  49. montanamike2 says:

    I would love to pretend that we have a great O-line but maybe that’s still coming.

  50. montanamike2 says:

    It helps that Carpenter practiced today.

  51. sluggo42 says:

    I will NEVER repeat RWthree… NEVER

    He is RW, DanjaRuss, mr Wilson, GQ Wilson, etc..

    But NEVER , ever, ever…. Something that’s close to RG3


  52. sluggo42 says:

    Anyways, I hope carp did well today…

  53. montanamike2 says:

    I watched and they showed Carp practicing well. Dudes f#$%*ing huge!

  54. sluggo42 says:

    Yes, he be big.

  55. Sluggo, They usually show the last preseason game with the Raiders live on KTLA but not this year for some reason. America’s Top Model is on instead.. RW3 and the boys are on at midnight and 8pm Friday.

  56. I’ll stop referring to Wilson as RW3 too.

  57. Giving in to peer pressure Zombie?

  58. bbnate420 says:

    Just to jump on the band wagon, I can’t imagine how anyone could be convinced that a 10 am, East Coast game would be a cakewalk for the Hawks. History suggests differently.

    Georgia, where you been hiding, bro? Did I miss when you explained how your song parody addiction started?

    sluggo, best case scenario, Bailey grabs the RT spot from Breno after 2014. Either Bowie grabs RG or The Sweeze figures out how to pass block adequately. They have some serious talent IMO. Not likely that all 3 work out though. I was somewhat surprised that they didn’t go after Eric Winston for RT this off-season.

  59. bbnate420 says:

    JZombie, call him RW3 if you want to. I don’t really see the issue personally, even though I refer to him as RW.

  60. Ixnee on the RW3 ske

  61. banosser says:

    Let’s just hope that Carp can get back on the field and stay healthy..

  62. bbnate420 says:

    *my second to last post should’ve said after 2013.

  63. montanamike2 says:

    I use RW, i don’t care if you guys call him RW3 but i call the other guy RGknee. He’s one of a kind though and deserves his own nickname, i like Dangeruss.

  64. montanamike2 says:

    If Carpenter is healthy, then i feel a lot better. I still think they traded Moffitt to send a message about being a clown plus the guy they traded for is an f*%#ing wall of a man.

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