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Morning links: Irvin feels comfortable at LB

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 25, 2013 at 8:44 am with 140 Comments »
August 25, 2013 8:46 am
Seattle Seahawks' Bruce Irvin runs the ball after picking up a fumble during NFL football training camp, Thursday, July 25, 2013, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks’ Bruce Irvin runs the ball after picking up a fumble during NFL football training camp, Thursday, July 25, 2013, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

For my story today, I talked with Bruce Irvin for the first time about making the switch from defensive end to linebacker, along with how he will handle the four-game suspension for PEDs.

“It’s almost the same thing,” Irvin said. “They try to keep me on the ball as much as possible. Pretty much the difference is covering receivers, rerouting receivers and covering backs out the backfield.

“I think I’m pretty athletic. I think I can cover a back or a tight end. So I’ve got this game next week (against Oakland). And then I’ve got to sit out these four games (for failing a drug test). But hopefully when I come back I can compete, and get a chance to play.”

Irvin has been hobbled most of training camp with a lingering hamstring issue, but got in for seven plays, according to Pete Carroll, against Green Bay on Friday. Irvin hopes to play much more against Oakland next week, before he’ll have to shut it down once the regular season begins in two weeks.

“It’s tough,” Irvin said. “It’s a learning experience, but it could be worse. That’s how I look at it. There’s people out here with way worse situations than me. Hopefully, the four games go by fast.

“It’s going to kill me watching these guys, but I’m just going to work my tail off, so when I get back I can do my part and contribute.”

Clare Farnsworth of writes that receiver Stephen Williams and safety Winston Guy made the most of their opportunities against Green Bay on Friday.

ESPN’s Terry Blount writes that the Seahawks are winning despite all of the penalties through three preseason games.

Jason Jenks of The Seattle Times takes a closer look at the battle-worn hands of Seahawks players like Max Unger and Richard Sherman.

Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times offers three things he learned from Seattle’s win over Green Bay.

Marshawn Lynch gives Aaron Rodgers the business about his mustache in the video below.

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic reports that Cardinals first round selection guard Jonathan Cooper suffered a fractured left fibula, and likely is done for the season. That’s a big blow to an Arizona offensive line that already had what Ryan Divish would call LOFT issues (Lack OF Frickin’ Talent). Former Seahawk Paul Fanaika could be starting at guard as a replacement for Cooper for the Cardinals.

Ben Muth of Football Outsiders delves into the Cincinnati Bengals offensive line. He’ll be following them throughout the year. It’s worth a look if you are interested in details on offensive line play. Nobody explains this stuff better than Muth.

New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan loses his cool with the New York media, who questioned his decision to put Mark Sanchez in the game after he suffered a shoulder injury playing with backups. Check out the video link.

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  1. sluggo42 says:

    Could be a fantastic placement if he can cover… The blitz factor will be insane

  2. Southendzone says:

    Hey Eric, or anyone that might have insight to this question:

    Since Irvin can’t visit the team facility or practice, what provisions does the team make to ensure he’s on track with training, rehab, staying clean, etc during his time off?

    It seems like a chance for a young player to lose ground in terms of his readiness for the season.

  3. raymaines says:

    I’m starting to feel a little bit sorry for the Cardinals. Those poor guys just can’t seem to catch a break. If things keep going like this for another ten or fifteen years, I might even start to feel a little pity for the NYJ’s & Raiders. Maybe.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    seattle’s penalties have been ridiculous this preseason. just very sloppy football. If that continues, expect them to lose games they would otherwise win.

  5. raymaines says:

    SEZ: I think you nailed it Buddy! Sucks to get suspended.

  6. bbnate420 says:

    Losing Cooper hurts Zona badly. They still should be better if Winston and Brown can stay healthy.

    Others have said it, but the Guy play was lucky. He hit the TE with horrible technique and was fortunate that he struck the ball. I have had hopes for Guy, but he doesn’t seem to be flashing in the games. I think he’s a PS guy if they don’t keep 5 safeties.

    None of those guys hands looked that bad for an NFL player. Here’s some nasty ones.

  7. montanamike2 says:

    I love the Rex Ryan video, talk about on the hot seat!
    STTBM might be vindicated for his rant if we don’t field a real O-line by the start of season, maybe he has the talent but needed a wake up call.
    Mayowa is looking like another Pete/John rabbit like Baldwin.

  8. montanamike2 says:

    raymaines i feel sorry for Fitzgerald, the rest of the Cards not so much.

  9. montanamike2 says:

    I’m really looking forward to tonight’s forty whiner game.

  10. Well how come w can find those rabbits everywhere but the OL! Maybe since Cable picks them?

    The last 4 years the line has not been ready to go week one – then by late in the season we are excited about the potential for next year. When are they going to be ready week 1? It’s like we start over every off season- not just a new guy worked in but START Over from ground zero.

  11. Anyone think cuts will start coming before Tuesday ( from around the whole league?

  12. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM won’t be vindicated if the o-line struggles, at least about trading Moffitt. That assumes that they wouldn’t have struggled with Moffitt, which is just speculation. We will never know for sure. What we do seem to know is that the coaches didn’t think Moffitt was good. Neither did Dave or Eric. I have never heard someone that sees them regularly in practice say that Moffitt was good. Now this doesn’t mean that Sweezy is any good right now either. He better bury his big meat-head in his playbook and film.

  13. bbnate420 says:

    Every year is different. Momentum doesn’t hold for 9 months.

    Cable’s only been here since 2011. Can’t place all of the last 4 years on him. Let’s just wait and see how they play week 1. It’s not like we have another choice. The line is what it is at this point.

  14. sluggo42 says:

    Thank you Nate, I called that play when it happened. guy is super lucky that ball came out with that weak assed hit. He is luck the guy didn’t hold the ball and walk in the end zone for the TD

    I have predicted Guy is cut…. Take that to the bank! Should I guarantee it with a smiley face?

    P.s. side bar:
    At the Barclays, Ricky Fowler and Jonas Blixt are paired together, and they are both wearing the exact same bright orange outfit, for lack of a better word to describe their clothing… Hilarious…

  15. raymaines says:

    I trust the coaches and individual players will clean up the penalties, I’m not worried too much about that, but the missed assignments on the OLine worry me. Still, there are two weeks to go. Carolinas D looked pretty stout though.

  16. sluggo42 says:

    Cut and paste from last thread, but I think it’s important to the discussion right now

    Carp will help by the subtraction of wheezy. STTBM was right that moffitt was better than him, just by play recognition alone, even getting beat physically took longer than whiffing by wheezy.

    I’m sure y’all know I think wheezy is horrid, and would rather have either of the kids play before him, 3rd string at best.
    Wtf is cable thinking? That is RW they are protecting, and to play your pet experiment at his risk is insane thinking at best.

    Carp plays well enough that he isn’t a liability, and has nowhere to go but up. McQ at RG will stop the floodgates at least, and hopefully on of the kids is good enough to take that spot.

    Then we will have a pretty darn good line, and remember, we will have a meaty run first line that we are jamming down their throats with MRob and Beast, with Zack too… This is where Carp can shine, cuz lets face it, he is a mega bulldozer.

    Once the bad guys figure out the beast is coming, they will start sneaking an extra man into the box. The very second this happens, RW will read that, and the option plays will start, Willson’s speed will get separation, blah blah blah, yada yada yada.

    But, if that damn wheezy blows his assignment, then the whole kitten kaboodle is lost, and the play gets blown up for a sack or a holding flag. This offense can be a blitzkrieg storm of devastation, but one weak stupid link will stall the whole thing.

    Pete, do the right thing and tell Cable his pet project is over….

    Read more here:

  17. sluggo42 says:

    Oops, forget that links thing

  18. bbnate420 says:

    The smiley face would seal it. :-)

    I think Guy doesn’t make it right now. I think he’s still PS eligible. PC seemed to be high on him last year. Maybe that supplement that got him suspended was the key to his ability to play zone correctly?

  19. edstang45 says:

    I hope Irvin has learned his lesson. ..time going forward will tell. .team won’t wait for him and neither will the NFL. ..guys with potential can’t be fartin around thinking about growing up. ..this could be Irvins crossroads hope he makes good now

  20. “Others have said it, but the Guy play was lucky. He hit the TE with horrible technique and was fortunate that he struck the ball.”

    I’m not sure I agree 100% here. This defense is all about attacking that ball, and that is what Guy did there. I guess you could say it was lucky in that the Packers player did not pull that ball in to his body when he could have, and instead left it out there for Guy to get his pads on it. Also, if Stoneburner mans up and actually dips his shoulder into Guy instead of trying to slip past him, he might also have hung onto the ball.

    It was somewhat of an unusual play, but I didn’t see anything on Guy’s behalf that would lead to questions about his tackling technique. He put himself in a good position to make a play. Guy was coming downhill and Stoneburner obviously wanted nothing to do with that potential collision. If anyone used bad technique or fundamentals there it was Stoneburner. I guarantee you that kid got an earful from his TE coach and/or the OC about that play.

  21. “I’m sure y’all know I think wheezy is horrid, and would rather have either of the kids play before him, 3rd string at best.”

    That is because you don’t get it. I’m sorry, but you just don’t. It is very simple – VIOLENCE – Sweezy has it, Moffitt does not. Sweezy is an animal. He punishes people. A little raw still, but overall a superior athlete to Moffitt, and ultimately the better choice for how this team wants to move the ball. He had something of a sloppy game, but I also saw him absolutely pancake A.J. Hawk. Oh, and did you like Christine Michael’s 43 yard TD jaunt? Me too. I bet you didn’t know it was #64 that helped gash the hole open which Michael ran through though.

  22. Do you REALLY think that Sweezy is starting because he’s a “pet project”? He was drafted to play guard as a “project” Even given the opportunity to play as a “project”. ComPete is not going to let anyone but the most qualified/best player start regardless. How many former players has he brought in and cut because they weren’t good enough to stay on the team?

    Yes, Sweezy was a liability on Friday. And he DOES need to improve his game. I’m not defending him so much as saying that, right now, the coaching staff that know what they are trying to accomplish, what play was called and what everyone’s responsibilities are on every play think that Sweezy is the best option right now. Maybe after cuts, they’ll bring in a better one.

    Also, on a general note, can we please dispense with the juvenile name calling? This is a well informed well written blog, not an elementary school playground. “Crapernick” is only slightly more mature than “boogerface”.

  23. Sweezy may be violent in the run game, but he’s utterly inept in pass pro. He stinks, violence or no. There is no excuse for continuing to play a guy who isn’t close to being ready to start. I think Bowie and Bailey could outplay Sweezy right now, given the opportunity.

    All I can think is Cable is desperate to make up for Carp/Moffitt by making Sweezy a good starter.

    bbnate–Its not that Moffitt was good, its that Sweezy is inept. And I was pissed our line is a mess AGAIN. How many times must I repeat before people stop saying I thought Moffitt was a really good player–he isn’t. I thought/hoped we could get more for him, but what really sucks is a blown third round pick and having Sweezy start at RG.

    Teams will continue to stunt a guy through Sweezy’s hole, and just like in the Atlanta and GB games, Sweezy will double team the RT’s man, and leave a big ole hole for the defender to walz through, and RW will get pasted.

  24. Sekolah–Id much prefer three decent blocks in a row to one great block, one bad block, and one whiff, which is what we’re getting from Sweezy right now. He’s too inconsistent, and the penalties were just plain stupid.

  25. Im praying Sweezy pulls his head out by game one, but its not a likely scenario. I’d love nothing better than to eat a steaming plate of crow regarding Sweezy and the o-line.

  26. sluggo42 says:

    With all due respect mate, I think you are the one who doesn’t get it. Wheezy will get RW killed because it is a violent game. And he doesn’t get it, just as slave just aptly described…

    And Tyness, get over thinking you’re the name calling police mate, it’s a freakin blog…


  27. Southendzone says:

    The Hawks have shown repeatedly and with great consistency that they will part with a player who doesn’t fit their mold or isn’t performing.

    To suggest that Sweezy has his place due to a Tom Cable ego trip is goddamn stupid. The decision makers in the organization think he is their best option right now. They think he is better than Moffitt.

    So saying you disagree with their assessment is one thing, but saying they know full well that Sweezy sucks and are keeping him in just to prove a point is among the stupidest opinions ever posted on the TnT blog.

  28. I’ve never claimed to be an x’s and o’s guy but it just occurred to me that run blocking is all about physical strength and aggression while pass blocking is all about mental skills like recognition and knowledge. The FO has always said that this is a run first team so why would they not value a Sweezy or Carp type who can and will blast D linemen on run plays with the hope that they can be taught enough skills to be decent pass blockers.

  29. montanamike2 says:

    I didn’t mean to start an argument, it is true that our opinions are different than those who get paid to coach our team. My point Sweezy sucks in pass pro RIGHT NOW, i’m still hoping for more by season start, that’s all.

  30. montanamike2 says:

    I wish that 49’r game started earlier.

  31. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I have never once claimed that you said Moffitt was good, that I can recall at least. My last post about Moffitt was in response to Montana’s claim that you might be vindicated if the o-line didn’t play well by week 1. I said that wouldn’t prove anything about trading Moffitt. That’s all. You’re free to be pissed about the line if you want. I’m not as pessimistic about the line as you. And I’m fine with McQ being one of the 5 starters. You seem to insinuate that they should have 5 above average players on the line. Again I’ll ask, name a line in the NFL that has 5 above average players?

    And I definitely don’t buy that Sweezy is starting due to ego or proving some stupid point. PC doesn’t play that. Sweezy will be collecting splinters in his ass if he doesn’t play better than he did on Friday. You and sluggo should take sluggo’s advice from a little while back. It’s preseason, let’s not crap our diapers just yet.

  32. SaigonSun says:

    Question (unrelated to this thread):
    If you are Jets’ or Raiders’ owner, would you give FIVE first round picks for Pete Carroll?
    (He has demonstrated he is great at quickly rebuilding a team, while he sucks at drafting in the first round. Two high picks in ’10 draft shouldn’t bring a medal considering all the talent available)

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I remember when folks around here (including myself) were all over Breno’s play, and then he started to improve.
    Hopefully Sweezy will do the same. Let’s at least give him a few games before we write him off.

    BTW- With regards to penalties Sweezy wasn’t the only one messing up, and if anyone came close to getting Wilson killed last game it was Turbin and his feeble attempt of a block.

    There is simply no team out there that doesn’t have a weakness somewhere.
    Our team has very few and went on the road (in a hostile place) against a super bowl contending team and won. They probably would have blown them out if they didn’t make so many mistakes.

    Mistakes can be corrected but isn’t it nice to know that our team is so good that they still can win on the road against good teams even if the don’t bring their A game.

  34. sluggo42 says:

    Lol, sweeze DID make me throw up in my pants against the pack. It’s the same as he did against Atlanta. Yes, it’s still preseason, but should he continue as he is currently playing, he will be benched. To those who suggest Tom cable doesn’t have a huge ego… What makes you think that? Why is it a stretch to think he thinks he is so good that he can make sweeze good? He is halfway right, he can block the run game, but he has also shown to fall for stunts and has also whiffed quite often. Pass pro is a whole different animal, and the vast majority of o-linemen have played that position their whole lives, and have seen all of these different rushing packages.
    Sweeze has the physicality, but hasn’t yet shown the brains. It’s not easy, and to pick it up in one year is a stretch…

  35. sluggo42 says:

    How strongly will you all defend him when he blows an assignment and RW gets injured?

  36. bbnate420 says:

    “It was somewhat of an unusual play, but I didn’t see anything on Guy’s behalf that would lead to questions about his tackling technique.”

    Sekolah, I didn’t see Guy going for the ball at all. He did not perform a Tillman punch. He did not swat at the ball while someone else was holding him up. He dove into the TE with his shoulder and without using his arms at all. I don’t know what the hell to tell you if you think that’s good tackling technique? Kids in pee wee football are taught to wrap up. There’s no fumble there if the TE simply wraps the ball up. There’s a reason that TE will be packing groceries in a couple of weeks. He was simply fortunate that his shoulder hit the ball. He probably bounces off and misses the tackle if that was Finley.

    “(He has demonstrated he is great at quickly rebuilding a team, while he sucks at drafting in the first round. Two high picks in ’10 draft shouldn’t bring a medal considering all the talent available)”

    Can’t believe this nonsense is still getting repeated on here. They’ve had 4 1st round picks so far. Okung and Thomas are both pro bowlers/All Pros. Let’s just call Carp a bust for arguments sake, even though I think you have to wait until 2013 is played to say that. Irvin led ALL ROOKIES in sacks. They drafted him to rush the passer. So, that’s at least 3 out of 4 so far that were good. How in the hell is that sucking at drafting in the 1st round? It’s just nonsense that gets inexplicably repeated.

  37. bird_spit says:

    I say, Irvin surprises this year and misses the pro bowl only because of the suspension..he will be a much needed force for the later half of the season. Can’t wait to see how he develops..

  38. bbnate420 says:

    sluggo, I’m not defending Sweezy. If he plays like that, he will and should be benched I would bet. I don’t necessarily think Cable doesn’t have an ego here, but I don’t buy that PC would start him just to placate Cable. There’s no evidence that he is doing that. It’s all just speculation. Could it be true? Sure. Along with a bunch of other unlikely things.

    And I don’t think that Sweezy sucking automatically means they should’ve kept Moffitt. Obviously they think Moffitt sucks more. I think that Bowie or Bailey was and is next up at OG even with Moffitt on the roster. If Carp isn’t playing that is. Hell, Lem can play some OG. He can at least stand in front of the right person like Moffitt if need be.

  39. “Again I’ll ask, name a line in the NFL that has 5 above average players?”

    San Francisco

  40. wabubba67 says:

    Guy will be cut or traded outside of the division. He made NO effort to wrap up while delivering the hit….he could have had a helmet on the ball and arms around the receiver, but instead used lousy technique.

    I really like the possibility of Irvin at LB….kind of move him around a bit to pick on the weakest offensive lineman, sort of what Knox did with Porter in the old days. Envisioning overloading a side with either Mayowa/Irvin or Clemons/Irvin and betting that one of them will get home to the QB.

    If Carpenter comes back, McQuistan moving over to RG will be huge. Still not a fan of Giacomini at RT, though. Pressure from Wilson’s right side is constant and is really starting to piss me off. Though difficult, Wilson looked really good rolling to his left and throwing early in the game. Would love to see what he could do passing or running if he actually would receive a decent pocket 70-80% of the time on his drops.

  41. bbnate420 says:

    You’re telling me Jonathan Goodwin is significantly better than average? Maybe back in 2009? It is highly subjective though.

    And SF doesn’t have more than 1 WR that isn’t a joke currently.

  42. sluggo42 says:

    Oh, I’m not a moffit guy at all. He had chance after chance. I think Pete is giving cables guy every chance in the book on behalf of his respect for cable. But if sweeze doesn’t show real well against the raidahs, he might not get many more chances. If carp shows well, McQ probably slides to RG, and this discussion is over anyways.

    Another guy we had was a mauler, but never figured it out, ask ACID , errr, Yanker who that was…

  43. wabubba67 says:

    Speaking of Sims, sluggo?

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Dave and Eric seemed to suggest that McQ would be at RG if Carp is healthy and in reasonable game shape. That’s likely our best hope for 2013. The lines will likely be a priority of the 2014 off-season.

    If you look at the FO o-line stats, they suggest what many of us here believe I would think about the 2012 line. FO has them ranked 3rd in run blocking and 20th in pass blocking.

  45. bbnate420 says:

    SF is 1st in run blocking and 29th in pass protection.

  46. “I don’t know what the hell to tell you if you think that’s good tackling technique?”

    nate, You seem to be pretty sure that Guy wasn’t simply just going for the ball. Are you to tell me that you have never seen a defender either put his pads directly into the ball, or his helmet? If you haven’t then you probably haven’t been watching the NFL for very long. You’re assuming it was just a bad tackle attempt that Guy made good on, but it’s not quite that simple.

    I will tell you for certain that Guy was looking to deliver a knock out shot on that Packers TE. Had that guy tucked the ball in and dropped his shoulder (like a real NFL caliber TE would have) Guy had the right angle to meet him right at the PoA, which probably would have lead to a big collision, and possibly a fumble anyway.

    At the end of the day though, we’re talking horseshoes and hand grenades here. Guy made a big play, which you would seem to fine with discrediting him for. Really, man, usually your game analysis is steady, but here you just come off like a hater.

  47. Southendzone: The training staff will give Irvin a strict workout regimen to follow while he’s away from the facility. I believe he cannot communicate with any coaches or other members of the organization. I think he can talk with players though, away from the facility of course.

  48. bbnate420 says:

    Sid Rice 14th in DYAR and 7th in DVOA. Tate 18th in DYAR and 4th in DVOA.

  49. wabubba67 says:


    Though I am loathe to defend bbs, I think that you’re missing the point here. The same hit could have been delivered to dislodge the ball (helmet on ball) while wrapping up the receiver. Guy chose not to use good tackling technique. Those defenders have not lasted too long during the JS/PC regime.

    It is true that those type of hits are unfortunately common in the NFL (poor teaching and discipline by coaches allow it), but those players tend not to play for the Seahawks.

  50. wabubba67 says:


    So PC could write up a workout for all LBs to follow, give it to someone like Wagner and tell him to deciminate it to all LBs (while coughing the name Irvin) and keep communicating with Irvin? I like it.

  51. “The same hit could have been delivered to dislodge the ball (helmet on ball) while wrapping up the receiver. Guy chose not to use good tackling technique.”

    Big hitting safeties don’t always abide by the rule of “wrap up”. Tell me something, when Kam Chancellor knocked the absolute sh** out of Vernon Davis, did you see any “wrap up” technique being utilized there?

  52. wabubba67 says:

    Interesting that the Cardinals just released Dan Carpenter after signing him to a one year deal only 4 days ago. Not like the Bidwells to spend money haphazardly.

    No longer interested in having him come to Seattle, as Hauscka (sp) has impressed me recently with the strength of his leg on kickoffs.

  53. wabubba67 says:


    No, I didn’t. But Davis was also along the sideline and falling out of bounds. No need to wrap up.

    GB receiver was in the open field and would have scored easily had he secured the ball a bit more. A player HAS to wrap up in that situation.

  54. bbnate420 says:

    ” Are you to tell me that you have never seen a defender either put his pads directly into the ball, or his helmet?”

    I sure have, but I also usually see those players using their arms as well. You see what you see. I see what I see. Ultimately it only matters what PC and staff sees. They’re going to decide if he stays or goes. I’m hardly the only one that pointed out that it was bad technique. I’m not saying he wasn’t going for the ball at all, but he didn’t have to completely break down his technique like that. You have arms, use them. It looked exactly like a how a certain 1st round LB would hit.

    I’m definitely not trying to be a hater here. I have been a fan of Guy’s since last TC. I am pulling for him. I wanted him to overtake Johnson, but he just hasn’t stepped up. That’s why he’s 3rd string. Regardless, we’ll find out in a couple of weeks. I think he’s headed for the PS if he doesn’t have a big game versus the Raiders.

  55. Carrol does not pick the offensive starters, certainly not o-linemen; that’s Assistant HC Cables job. And yeah, I think a lot of the reason Sweezy is starting is because Cable is partially blinded by his own ego. It’s not that I think Sweezy will never be good, it’s that he isn’t right now.

    Much as I dislike McQ as a starter (he’s T-Jack of the o-line), I would like to see a healthy carp at lg and McQ at RG and Sweezy benched. How could that not be better than what we saw from Sweezy?

    I’m fine with Moffitt gone now. I want to see Bailey and Bowie at RG–I think they will outplay Sweezy.

  56. Cable is sure he can coach up Sweezy to play well NOW, and I sincerely doubt a) Sweezy is that good and b) Cable is that good. It shouldn’t be that hard to get two dudes who can play G right now…

  57. bbnate420 says:

    Still can’t get over it, eh wabubba. Telling. You don’t have to defend me. Just argue the point if you disagree with him.

    Sekolah, go back and watch that Kam hit. He doesn’t turn his body to the side. He places his helmet in Davis’ chest and pushes through him with his arms. He doesn’t wrap up. That’s right. But as has been said they were on the sideline.

    Ultimately he caused a fumble. Good for him. Like I said, I have been rooting for him, but I think his lack of fundamentals will be evaluated by the coaches. He can deliver some hard hits. It’s all the other stuff that seems to be the problem.

  58. So everyone thinks Sweezy will magically play better during the regular season than he has thus far in preseason? You all think he’s only two weeks/one game from figuring it out? That’s fine, but I sure as hell don’t think that.

  59. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, PC is the head coach. Every starter, every major decision is his responsibility. Just like the people that think he wouldn’t have overruled Bradley’s conservative calls if he wanted to. That’s BS. Neither of us know for sure, but it’s PC’s responsibility ultimately regardless of whether or not he gives Cable a long leash. I don’t believe that he’d stick with Sweezy if he clearly thought he wasn’t cutting it just because of Cable. When Sweezy was pulled after the personal foul, was he pulled by PC or Cable? Was it PC or Cable in his ear?

  60. “No, I didn’t. But Davis was also along the sideline and falling out of bounds. No need to wrap up.”

    Falling out of bounds? Umm.. no. His ass was KNOCKED out of bounds. His momentum was taking him directly into Kam, and a missed tackle there likely means that V.D. hops and skips into the endzone for 6. Look, this nitpicky sh** is really getting on my nerves. When Winston Guy develops a propensity for missing tackles that result in big plays, etc. then you can whine. I could really care less about “what if” scenarios that have yet to happen.

  61. wabubba67 says:

    little bbs….there is no need for us to write directly to each other. I should have written that I was defending your point of view rather than you.

    You are small potat…errr, bbs to me.

  62. “So everyone thinks Sweezy will magically play better during the regular season than he has thus far in preseason? You all think he’s only two weeks/one game from figuring it out? That’s fine, but I sure as hell don’t think that.”

    That’s nice. I sure hope you speak up on it as much as you are now when it turns out that you’re wrong.

  63. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, who said that? Sweezy did play in 13 regular season games and started 3 in 2012. He played in 2 playoff games. Yes, he was bad against the Falcons. He wasn’t that bad most of the time. They don’t game plan for preseason games.

    If he starts, I believe it’s because they think it’s best. If he sucks, I believe someone will replace him. I think there’s a decent chance that Carp and McQ are the OGs come week one anyways. It is what it is at this point. They’re not going to sign Gene Upshaw in the next 2 weeks.

  64. raymaines says:

    My mental image of sluggo throwing up in his pants would be rated PG13.

  65. tchristensen says:

    I’d like to see STTMB and Tom Cable have a face to face.

  66. bbnate420 says:

    Small potatoes eh? Don’t buy it. I’m obviously living rent free up there in your dome. Why else would you have your tampon in sideways weeks later? Telling. Cheers.

  67. wabubba67 says:


    Just watched the tape of that hit again. My memory was a little bit different than reality. While not falling out of bounds, Davis was still in the air and along the sideline. There is still no need to wrap up on that type of hit (though it would have been nice), because Davis is in the air with body squared to Kam and has no ability to avoid the hit. The GB receiver was in the open field with his feet on the ground. Apples to oranges.

  68. wabubba67 says:

    I really hope that you get the mental health assistance that you clearly need and hopefully deserve, tiny bbs. I feel sorry for you and all of the anger and venom that you harbor. Good luck with everything.

  69. tchristensen says:

    Aaron Curry has been released by the Giants. He wrote on Twitter:

    “We have to understand its a sport and a business, it is NOT an evaluation of personal worth,” Curry wrote.

    Too funny. Also, Ray Polk was released by Jacksonville. Was he good enough to bring back??

  70. “The GB receiver was in the open field with his feet on the ground.”

    And what happened? Did he score a TD? I could have sworn he fumbled the ball.
    Find another argument to stand on. This one has reached well beyond moot.

  71. wabubba67 says:

    Man, didn’t even realize that the LB turned evangelist was in anybodys training camp this year. The biggest draft bust in Seahawks history. For my money, followed by Bosworth (besides his play, also led to a disgruntled Young) and Owen Gill (first pick for Seattle in that draft, taken in the 2nd round and cut before the season began).

  72. DanielleMND says:

    “Sweezy is an animal. He punishes people.”

    When he whiffs in pass blocking, the only one who gets punished is our franchise QB.

  73. bbnate420 says:

    You’re the one that keeps bringing it up again and again weeks later. I let it go numerous times. Again, telling. Cheers.

  74. wabubba67 says:


    Missing the boat again. Guy’s play was not a great hit because it caused a fumble, it was a lucky glancing blow to the ball held by a receiver with his feet under him in the open field. The same hit and result could have been achieved with proper tackling technique. That’s why he’ll be cut or traded shortly.

    The result does not validate the method. Ever make a free throw with your eyes shut? Though you might have made one in practice, I wouldn’t reccomend shooting that way in the game.

  75. “When he whiffs in pass blocking, the only one who gets punished is our franchise QB.”

    And when he punishes Patrick Willis with a picture perfect cutblock, it allows to Marshawn scoring a TD. Or when he helps to create a lane wide enough to drive an H2 through, it leads to Christine Michael scoring from 40+ yards out.

  76. wabubba67 says:

    Go back and review this thread, tiny bbs. The only mention of you that I made was your name.

    Good luck to you as you begin your journey toward achieving clarity and mental health. Should you change your mind, the offer of my friends’ numbers (the psychologists in the Tacoma area, both male and female depending on your preference) is still on the table.

    Please remember that asking for help is not a sign of weakness. I truly feel sorry for and pity you.

  77. “it was a lucky glancing blow to the ball held by a receiver”

    Glancing blow. That’s pretty funny. Strange, I could have sworn I saw that Packers player holding his hand/wrist after the play was over and it was Seahawks possession, like he was in a bit of pain. Those glancing blows do smart a bit, for some people, I guess.

  78. Dukeshire says:

    Sweezy’s athleticism is undeniable. The concern for me however, is that he’s an awful offensive lineman, at this point. As I’ve said many times, and stand by it, that if we’re analyzing his and Moffit’s play on the field, Moffitt wins. And it’s not that close. But Moffitt’s gone and Sweeny is now been given every opportunity to refine that athletic ability into a competent, and hopefully better than that, offensive lineman.

    In addition, work ethic means so much to this staff, and in that regard, Sweezy dominates Moffitt every day of the weeks and twice on Sunday.

  79. wabubba67 says:

    A helmet to the hand or wrist will do that. Do you refute the other part of my statement?

  80. bbnate420 says:

    “Though I am loathe to defend bbs”

    Your words, not mine. And it’s not tiny bbs. I didn’t start off insulting you. Still am not. Maybe you should ask one of those mental health “friends” to explain projection to you. It’s obvious that you know what I said was true, even if you won’t admit it. Cheers. Maybe this will chill you out?

  81. Dukeshire says:

    What on earth is going on in this thread…?

  82. Dukeshire says:

    When did the Insider banner change? I like it. It’s almost as if Wilson is telling everyone to clam the f’ down.

  83. bbnate420 says:

    Sorry, Duke. I’ll try to clam down and ignore that idiot. ;-)

  84. SandpointHawk says:

    Lord I was only gone for an hour…

  85. “Do you refute the other part of my statement?”

    There’s nothing to refute. Winston Guy forced a fumble, which was recovered. You seem to be interested in carrying on an argument as to how this was done, or rather how it wasn’t done properly. I have no more time for such inane and pointless topics.

    I will tell you though that sometimes, in order to strike a ball carrier with a certain applied force, physics does not allow for the intricacies of text book tackling.

  86. wabubba67 says:


    I agree with you regarding Sweezy and Moffitt. I think that JS/PC were sending a message to the rest of the team regarding conditioning when they shipped Moffitt out, while protecting other offensive linemen that had a higher ceiling (Sweezy, Bailey, Bowie, Person). That trade was as much about protecting a roster spot for an undrafted free agent as it was about naming Sweezy the starter (for now).

    tiny bbs,

    I am loathe to defend you. (You can look up the word under ‘L’ to fully comprehend its meaning.) Later, I wrote that I should have claimed to be defending your point of view and not you. I also suggested that we not write directly to one another. You were unable to take that suggestion as an offer to be civil to one another. Please seek the help that you clearly need, whether my friends would be providing the assistance or not. Good luck.

  87. SandpointHawk says:

    What no one has mentioned is Moffitt is a wise a$$. You all know someone like him and we all know if he was loosing out to Sweez he was cracking crap about it in the locker room. That in itself is enough to get you cut or traded by “Bye In or Else” Pete….Loved him on RealRob but if he was pulling that crap in the locker room in a negative matter, that alone could have spelled his doom…

  88. DanielleMND says:

    “And when he punishes Patrick Willis with a picture perfect cutblock, it allows to Marshawn scoring a TD. Or when he helps to create a lane wide enough to drive an H2 through, it leads to Christine Michael scoring from 40+ yards out.”

    I’ll still take better pass protection for our franchise QB, thanks. We can only go so far with the run game (see Cable’s time in Oakland).

  89. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I have a big smile on my face because this thread is proof that this team has arrived.
    We are now down to debating about Sweezy and Guy, two players that could easily be replaced.
    I’m looking forward to the day when these debates are mostly about the employees in the equipment room, or the scouts ect…

  90. wabubba67 says:

    Agreed, Sandpoint. Moffitt was not talented enough to put up with running his mouth in any way that could have been perceived to be a distraction or possible locker room lawyer. It was time to send a message to the entire roster…somewhat similar to releasing LenDale White (a former successful RB for Carroll that had a poor work ethic).

    I’m almost convinced that he traded for White just to kick the tires, knowing full well that he would cut him to send an initial message to the entire team and organization at the start of his regime. If true, Machiavelli would have been proud.

  91. Looking forward to the day Sweezy makes a great block on Pat Willis. I haven’t seen it yet.

  92. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I wasn’t paying much attention to Sweezy, ( except for the penalties ) so was Sweezy directly and/or indirectly responsible for any of the sacks?

  93. If Carpenter can start practicing with the ones this week, I’ll expect he and McQuistan to be the starting Gs on opening day. Not that Sweezy won’t be a starter eventually, but he’s a long way from learning all the nuances of the position, especially in pass pro. It takes time. Carpenter is probably not ready yet either, but he’s closer than Sweezy.

  94. wabubba67 says:


    We’ll all see soon enough what JS/PC thought about Guy’s hit. Care to make a friendly wager? I say released or traded before the season begins.

  95. Don’t forget that Guy has that strike against him for the hit in camp on Williams.

  96. wabubba67 says:

    Willing to compensate a bit on the wager. Not quite an even bet, as I believe that the odds favor me (due to the Williams hit and sheer numbers). Although, if JS/PC were really impressed with that hit than perhaps the odds are even?

  97. 2005 Seahawks

    Preseason Record: 2-2
    Opening game: Loss 14-26 @Jacksonville
    First 1/2 of season record: 5-3
    Result: NFC Champion

    I don’t care if our team looks sloppy in the preseason.
    I don’t care how many experiments they have going with young players or schemes.
    I don’t care what backups have good stats in preseason.
    None of this is a predictor of what happens during the season.
    Preaseaon is just experimentation, evaluation, and practice.
    We talkin bout practice.

  98. wabubba67 says:

    Not sure why my other message was cut off, Sekolah. I was asking you if you cared to make a friendly wager regarding Guy’s future with the Seahawks? I say released or traded before the season begins.

  99. Safeties kept in 2012 (5)
    Thomas, Chancellor, Johnson, Maragos, Guy

    Why expect any change here?

  100. BAL cut ’12 UDFA G/T Jack Cornell (6-6/320), a really good run-blocker and a fair to middlin pass blocker they’re trying to hide and get to their PS. He’s their Alvin Bailey…

  101. montanamike2 says:

    That’s a big boy!

  102. “Every year is different. Momentum doesn’t hold for 9 months.” That statement is made by someone who accepts mediocrity!!!!!!! I do NOT expect them to play like they did in week 17 but they CAN NOT pick up a blitz because ” we haven’t practiced that yet . . .” You played all last season if they can’t recognize it after an offseason at least enough to make at LEAST a half assed effort then you don’t deserve to receive an NFL paycheck -PERIOD.

    Look at guys like Wagner – is he playing pro bowl level right now no – but he is playing FAR better than he was at this point last off season. Sweezy should be doing the same, he is not, IMO.

    “Cable is sure he can coach up Sweezy to play well NOW, and I sincerely doubt a) Sweezy is that good and b) Cable is that good. It shouldn’t be that hard to get two dudes who can play G right now…”

    Totally agree!!!!! They like something about Sweezy that is clear but it is not obvious that he is overall better than Moffit or any of the young guys. Yes he has made some HUGE holes for the run game, but we don’t always run.

  103. Stevos – I think other positions warrant the extra player this year.

    I think Guy is in trouble because I think the DL is looking like they might want a different # than they had last year. Same with Corner/OL/RB.

    They may keep Guy and go 5 safeties again, I just don’t feel it is a done deal that he makes it.

  104. raymaines says:

    A couple of things 1) I don’t know diddle about the Balt. guy that just got cut, but I don’t think they would cut him early if they wanted him back for the PS. 2) I don’t really believe in the whole concept of sneaking a promising player through waivers to get him on the PS. All the good to great franchises have first rate personal departments that know almost as much about, say, Baltimore’s lower tier players as they do their own.

  105. raymaines says:

    Poor Matt Flynn. He’s a tall, good good looking guy with a super hot girl friend, about ten million dollars in the bank, and a body & brain that isn’t all beat to pudding. Backup QB is a really good gig IMHO.

  106. xcman, I could maybe see them keeping an extra CB instead of 5th S.

    I’d guess that Johnson would be cut before Guy, since Guy is a big thumping SS like Chancellor. He fits the scheme Pete wants to play. It would seem relatively easier to replace a smaller S/ST guy like Johnson.

  107. My guess on Tuesday’s cut to 75:

    QB Brady Quinn
    WR Brett Swain
    WR Perez Ashford
    WR Arceto Clark

    WR Bryan Walters
    WR Donavon Kemp
    TE Darren Fells

    TE Jameson Konz

    TE Andrei Lintz
    G/T Ryan Seymour

    G/C Jared Smith
    LB Craig Wilkins 

    LB Kyle Knox
    S/CB Ron Parker
    LS Kyle Nelson

  108. raymaines. I agree. And if you find out how to apply for that job of sitting on the bench in a clean NFL uniform, let me know. I’d be all in.

  109. Stevos – I could see that as well –

    The job I want – because I am clearly qualified – is the TV commercial guy who stands on the sidelines. Steps on the field and stops play for the commercial. Signals and walks off when the TV is back and ready to go. Stands and watches the rest of the game.

    I would sooo take that job for minimum wage

  110. xc. ha. the guy with the green hat. Yes, he has a lot of power. And a great seat for the game.

  111. “Cable is sure he can coach up Sweezy to play well NOW”

    I don’t think anyone knows that.

    What we know:
    a) Preseason is the time for coaches to teach and experiment with young players.
    b) Carpenter has been injured so naturally Sweezy and the other guards get more reps.
    c) Cable sees more of what Sweezy is doing right or wrong than we see.

  112. sluggo42 says:

    I think your cut is spot on stevos
    I think they keep an extra CB or DL to let guy go last round

    This has been a funny thread

  113. sluggo42 says:

    Who the flock is “tiny bbs”?

  114. raymaines says:

    End of first quarter, SF 10 – Minn 3 and CK looks looks like Joe Montana. I’d gladly have drafted CK instaid of JC in 2011, then pick a guard in round three last year. We would have a great QB and SF would have Alex Smith.

  115. raymaines says:

    Not that it really matters, but Minn. has zero, not three.

  116. I’m watching the SF – Minn game too. Their D may still be the best in the league, but I do not see anything to fear from the SF offense.

    SF’s O line is solid, but unless they can generate a powerful rushing attack, they are forcing Kaepernick to make every play, and using WRs who are average at best. Stuff the box and shut down Gore, then force Kaep to scramble until you catch him and break his legs. This offense is beatable.

  117. raymaines says:

    Somewhere in the middle of the third qtr a Minn guy tackles a 49er totally helmet to helmet. No flag. What’s up with that? Do you have to have a reputation before you get called?

  118. I doubt Quinn will be cut this week to get to 75. Thursday they are going to need two healthy QB’s to wrap up the preseason with. Wilson will be lucky to get one series. And if we did release Quinn where would that leave us if T-Jack or (God forbid) Wilson were hurt?

    Personally I think we’ll cut or trade Quinn after Thursday’s game. In fact I expect him to play 2+ quarters as they will be trying to showcase him for the Jets or another possible trade. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see us pick up a 3rd QB to add to the practice squad.

  119. sluggo42 says:

    Good point skavage, Quinn needs to play the lions share of the raidahs game
    I guess they could cut wheezy instead….

  120. yeah, I would agree with that Skavage.

    (I always try to put one ridiculously wrong statement in every one of my posts, just to see if anyone is paying attention.)

  121. raymaines – and Wild assumption on my part that BAL would want to put Jack Cornell back on their practice squad again for this year like they did last season. He took over for Bryant McKinney in practice reps when McKinney got dinged up in TC, and played well especially in run-blkg vs TB. In pass-pro he didn’t allow any sacks hits or hurries, and he didn’t get any penalties. He’s a road-grader, and like Alvin Bailey he plays both tackle and guard. Would love for SEA to snap him up now and play him at guard for 7 snaps vs OAK, just to give sweezy something to think about besides beating out R.Johnson, or maybe P.McQuistan beating out M.Bowie. Could also give B.Giacomini someone much more competitive to think about than M.Person.

  122. bubbabooey, Evidently nobody cares to bet. If you’re wrong just send the money to Eric for dinner in Carolina. It’s about time people pay for talking crap around here..

  123. raymaines says:

    I’m all for any personal move that helps to upgrade the talent but I don’t have a clue about evaluating talent, so I leave all of that to the brain trust. Jack Cornell sounds good to me, bring him on.

  124. I’m not a pro talent evaluator either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

  125. wabubba67 says:


    My offer was to Sekolah only. I am very willing to pay up if I lose. Haven’t heard back yet.

  126. ruminator1 says:

    Where did this crap about Moffit being a locker room cancer start? What evidence has anybody? I think he is a decent player who got injured, tried to come back, put a lot more effort into working hard and trying to get in shape but didn’t make the kind of progress they wanted. But I have never heard about negativity. I didn’t follow how he did in the recent game. Did he play?

  127. “Sekolah,

    We’ll all see soon enough what JS/PC thought about Guy’s hit. Care to make a friendly wager? I say released or traded before the season begins.”

    Why would I wager on something so slanted in your favor? Guy’s in a hard spot right now. I’m not even sure he’s going to make this team, quite honestly. He needs to make quite a few more plays at this point. Get with me after the Oakland game.

    If you think I’m some kind of huge Winston Guy fan you are sadly mistaken. I see potential in him, like any other young player, but there are several other options on the roster right now. I’m not even certain that the team will go with more than 4 safeties this year.

  128. Well sounds like SF is getting offers or at least calls about McCoy:

    Will be interesting to see what happens with the teams that have a couple guys who would be good back-ups

  129. According to the STL @ DEN gamebook, #72 J.Moffitt subbed in at guard. PFF hasn’t offered any grades on his play yet, but if DEN uas gone back to the ZBS he will probably do as well for them as he did for us.

  130. bbnate420 says:

    sluggo, tiny bbs is bubba’s little pet name for me. He has his tampon in sideways because I handed his ass to him. He tried to scold me on the M’s blog about something I said on here, which had nothing to do with him. Whem I pointed out what a classless individual he was, he just couldn’t handle it. He’s been trying to goad me on both the M’s blog and this one for weeks. All while trying to pretend like he’s the one above it. Truly pathetic and transparent, especially for someone in their mid 40’s.

  131. bbnate420 says:

    “Though I am loathe to defend bbs, I think that you’re missing the point here.” -wabubba

    “Still can’t get over it, eh wabubba. Telling. You don’t have to defend me. Just argue the point if you disagree with him.” -bbnate

    “little bbs….there is no need for us to write directly to each other. I should have written that I was defending your point of view rather than you.

    “You are small potat…errr, bbs to me.” -wabubba

    “Small potatoes eh? Don’t buy it. I’m obviously living rent free up there in your dome. Why else would you have your tampon in sideways weeks later? Telling. Cheers.” -bbnate

    Read more here:

    These quotes are chronological and in context. wabubba, you can try to lie about and justify your posts anyway you want. It’s rather asinine though when the proof is right above us on the same thread. You’re not fooling anyone. You’re clearly not intelligent enough to do that. And you’ve been doing this for weeks. I could quote more evidence.

    I didn’t realize that saying you are loathe to defend someone is a compliment? Weird. That’s referencing more than my name. And my handle is not bbs. It’s the pathetic name that you’ve been trying to insult me with for weeks. Pathetic and transparent.

    Then I said that you still can’t get over it. Which certainly seems to be true and is not really an insult. At least not nearly as direct as your first post that came out of nowhere. I said you could argue the point with Sekolah without bringing me into it given our history. That’s clearly saying that we don’t need to directly post or reference one another. It just went through your sieve of a head.

    Your next post is even more insulting than the first. It’s as clear as day. This isn’t your classroom, and no one here is forced to accept your BS like your unfortunate students are. Thankfully it’s likely only for a year.

  132. bbnate420 says:

    wabubba, all you have to do is keep my name out of your mouth. I haven’t responded to you unprovoked in weeks. Yet you want to try and act holier than thou, like you have some superior EQ. I have never said that seeking counseling is a sign of weakness. In fact, I think it’s time you go back to your “friends” for some more sessions. Or find someone down in your desert wasteland. It’s also not a weakness to apologize when you are clearly wrong. I have done it on here. I have yet to EVER see you do it. Not even for mercilessly harassing Larry LaRue on his blog. I’ll apologize for not just ignoring your BS. It likely wouldn’t even be worth the time to scrape you off of my shoe. Cheers.

  133. bbnate420 says:

    *you wouldn’t

  134. bbnate420 says:

    *It’s likely

  135. bbnate420 says:

    Sekolah, I’m not arguing that the result of the Guy hit was bad. It obviously wasn’t. We will likely never know what PC or Richard said to Guy about the play. I just think that he’s going to make more bad plays than good if he tries to hit players like that in that situation. It was bad technique IMO.

    Good results don’t automatically make something the right way to do it. I’ll use a poker analogy. Take Texas Holdem. Someone may bet all their money before the community cards with a pair of 5’s versus someone with a pair of aces. They’re going to win the hand approx. 20% of the time. Say they do win the hand this time. Does that make it the right decision? No. You try to do the things that give you the best chance for success.

  136. bbnate420 says:

    *Good results in one instance

  137. Good lord, trying to glean anything interesting in the comments can be difficult at times. Degrades into a Youtube comments section when you all start bickering. Make your point and move on… make the wager ffs, but by all means, next time get a room.

    Anyone impressed with Sealver Siliga at all? When they made the move for him, I wasn’t expecting much but an extra body for finishing these preseason games, but he seemed to have nice push and fought through blocks well (garnered one of our 2 sacks). I assumed if we were to make a deal it would be for a TE, but perhaps Luke Wilson is showing them enough.

  138. wabubba67 says:

    Get a grip on reality, tiny bbs.

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