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Quick notes from Carroll presser

Post by Dave Boling / The News Tribune on Aug. 22, 2013 at 12:09 pm with 59 Comments »
August 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Although cagey again with some of the injury info, Pete Carroll ruled Zach Miller (foot), Sidney Rice (knee), Jessie Williams (knee), Jordan Hill (bicep)  and Mike Robinson (illness) out for the Friday game against the Packers in Green Bay.

Miller and Rice are expected to be ready for the season opener and Carroll said they’re being conservative with their health management. Hill will be day-to-day or week-to-week with a strained bicep, Carroll said, dismissing as incorrect the speculation that he’ll miss 3-6 weeks.

Cliff Avril (hamstring), Bruce Irvin (groin) and Antoine Winfield will be game-time considerations. Avril and Irvin have been eased back into action after earlier injuries, while Winfield appeared to develop a sore knee this week in practice.

Carroll said that James Carpenter is “getting close” to being back from his foot injury.  And Tony McDaniel will start at the 3 technique DT after missing action most of the preseason. “This is his turn, now,” Carroll said.

Asked about the Seahawks’ seven consecutive wins in preseason games, Carroll said they do very little game planning for preseason games, but they do take them very seriously from a competition standpoint. “Preseason is really important to us … we take them very seriously … I do not blow these games off.”

He also thought the ESPN magazine story about the Seahawks employing yoga as a training technique over-dramatized the case.

 

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  1. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Man I hope Bruce plays. His four sacks last year jumpstarted the game. He and Clem combined for eight in the first half. None in the second half. Aaron Rodgers surely remembers. Pack missing one of their best O lineman as well, Bryan Bulaga. Bruce abused him last year. I’d be happy with a couple sacks and lots of pressure. Get in there Bruce. Your’e going to need as much experience before regular season.

  2. montanamike2 says:

    Great news on Hill.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    With Hill’s partially torn biceps and Williams still out, McDaniel needs to not only show he can be a contributor for himself, but for the 3-tech position and the defense as a whole. I’ll be keen to see how the D plays tomorrow as an indicator for where they are, for the first time this preseason. Because simply put, they’ve look sloppy and assignment-incorrect too many times in the first two exhibition games.

  4. Pretty good news on the injury front. I’m glad they’re being cautious. Better to have our studs ready for game 1. Looking forward to seeing McDaniel as we need him. No mention of Michael so I assume he’s good to go? Also want to see Kearse again. Should be a fun game to watch – Go Hawks.

  5. Dukeshire–Exactly. I saw the second and third string D-line and LB’s doing a much better job of sticking to their assignments, being gap-correct, and trusting their neighbor to do their job. THe starters seemed to be every man for themselves, very undisciplined. I expect that to change, and it better be soon.

  6. The Whiners released Lockette and signed Seneca Wallace. wow they are desparate for QB’s

  7. If a WR gets released from SF – they must be bad (not that we didn’t know).

    If Hill is going to be “week to week” then it’ll most likely be 3-6 weeks.

  8. montanamike2 says:

    There goes Chanel 83.

  9. Not sure if anyone has noticed the trend of Michael Robinson and his availability for practice. But he has been almost non-existent this preseason with fairly good reason. This is only speculation but I assume that he is unhappy with the longevity of his current contract in that it ENDS after this season. I assume he would like for his contract to be extended as he would have a secure finances in the future. This is commonplace for players to protect themselves from unnecessary reps and contact in that any encounter could potentially threaten their career…especially at FB.

    I think Mike Rob saw the writing on the wall when seahawks spoke of Spencer Ware and their plan for him. He must know that every snap he doesn’t take is an opportunity for spencer to grow more acclimated to the position. I think he knows that Ware is not ready to take over the starting position at FB and isn’t folding his hand. Mike Rob wants a long term contract. He’s earned it that’s for sure, but do Pete and Schneider value the Robinson at that position moving forward?

    Just asking you folks to think about it. Like I said before you may want to plan for the end of real rob report as it is. Like players always say “this is a business”

  10. daveboling says:

    Yes, Michael should be good to go. The Mike Rob thing hasn’t been explained other than he’s been sick and should be back next week. Pete was vague with the Hill thing, but made it sound like it was more of a day-to-day thing rather than week-to-week, and stressed that the 3-6 week prognosis that appeared was not his understanding of the situation

  11. Thanks Dave! Appreciate your follow-up

  12. Thanks Dave:

    Jordan looks like he can develop into something special I really hope so. Maybe I missed the postings but I always enjoy your insights into the oline.

    How do you feel about the moffit trade and this years new prospects… Mostly Person, Bowie, and Bailey.

  13. DJammmer says:

    The problem for Mike Rob, is he doesn’t really have any leverage. He’s the highest paid fullback (http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/fullback/) in a league where most teams do not require a fullback. Laws of supply and demand are not on his side. There’s a high supply (due to many teams moving away from fullbacks), and low demand (due to many teams not requiring fullbacks.)

    He’s a great special teams player – don’t get me wrong. But I’d be suprised if he had enough leverage to get either raise, or an extension. (unless the extension is a rework of salary, for less money this year.)

  14. HawksKD–There is no trend that I can see. Mike Rob was sick this week–sounds like the flu or noro virus, which if you’ve ever had, you know how bad that can be.

    Of course, without inside info, its all just speculation. I personally don’t think Mike Rob has anything to gain by not practicing and showing what he can do. He also has little to fear from Ware or Coleman–both are good backs, but not ready to start at FB in the NFL.

    I suppose its possible he’s up to something, but just like the rumors MEbane was worried about his job, I choose not to believe it. But anything can happen, we all have learned that from JS and PC.

  15. DJammer–Mike Rob gets paid also for being one of the top special teams players in the NFL. That’s not to say Seattle isn’t eyeing his salary for a possible reduction, but he’s more than just a great FB. HE’s a top 3 FB in the NFL, IMO, and a top 3 NFL Special Teamer.

    Of course, just like Leon Washington, Seattle may decide they no longer need him at that price. And yeah, I cant see PC and JS giving him an extension for what he’s making now, which is a bummer. It is what it is.

  16. Im glad Wallace is getting another chance to play football, even if it is for the Whiners. I wish him well. Too bad for Lockette, its probably the end of the line for him.

  17. chrisj122 says:

    Where are all those 49er fans now, talkin about how great Lockette is????

  18. SandpointHawk – Absolutely! I was actually just about to post that vid after hearing the mumblings about MikeRob supposedly being in danger of losing his job. Seems we think alike. That’s one of my all-time favorite Seahawks vids.

    Some great examples there of Marshawn and MikeRob perfectly in synch from the snap of the ball. Best tandem in the league. Big reason Marshawn had 1590 yards last year. The coaches know ‘shawn won’t be able to repeat that without MikeRob’s help. And they know that nobody can learn to play FB like MikeRob in only a year or two. They will keep these guys together.

  19. chrisj122 says:

    Michael Robinson isn’t going anywhere!

    If there is any Back who doesn’t make the team it would Christine Michael, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he is listed as inactive or put on the practice squad come the start of the regular season.

  20. Dukeshire says:

    If Robinson wasn’t happy that his deal ends after the ’13 season and is not participating in practices as a result, as has been insinuated, I would strongly disagree. If that were the case, he would be far better served to have his ass out there every day working to illustrate his value. No, the only reason he’s not been in practice is because he’s ill. Moreover, he doesn’t need the reps, just like Lynch, that the others do. Seattle has no established fall back should Robinson go down, be cut, or any other scenario, at FB. And for a team that’s as committed to running as Seattle is, that’s not a positive. Robinson will be here this season and play at his usual high level. Beyond this season, that’s a different discussion.

    As for his salary: he’s due $2.5 this year. Really, what are we talking about here? The rest of the league is irrelevant regarding their use of fullback. It’s how Seattle uses the position and how they value it.

  21. daveboling says:

    Okay. If they end up getting rid of Mike Rob, I’m personally protesting. This guy is such a locker room presence and understated team leader. His value to this club in so many ways is almost immeasurable. They know that better than any of us do. He’s not going to last forever, though, and I think they’re looking at the future.

    The Moffitt trade. I see he has some staunch followers here. I was not one of them. I was never a fan of his conditioning level. He seemed good about assignment correctness and was good at some aspects of the position. He occasionally got roller-skated by physical tackles, and I did not see him creating space on the runs as much as shielding guys. There’s value to that, of course. My personal opinion was that I never envisioned him becoming a top-half of the league type guard. I think he got a fair chance for several years, and he never really solidified his hold on the position. If you’re into your third season and haven’t beaten out a converted defensive tackle who is 20 pounds lighter, I don’t think it’s a good reflection on your future.

    Person, Bowie and Bailey: They obviously like Person as they’ve tried him at just about every position up there. He’s somebody who has made big improvements and has good feet. Personally, I’m more impressed by the rookie tackles. Both have the size, strength and also very good balance. They’re both already showing a grasp of how to handle stunts and some of the trickier elements of pass protection. The fact that both have been tried at guard, too, gives them so much value as swing backups.

  22. Thanks, Dave!

  23. Dukeshire says:

    Thanks Dave. Especially for the Robinson opinion, with which I couldn’t agree more.

  24. MauMau – yeah the Niners do seem to be looking a bit desperate at both WR and QB.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/107333/curious-case-of-49ers-ricardo-lockette

    Their a great team, solid D, great O line, but they have way too much riding on Kaepernick and Vernon Davis at this point.

  25. Thank you Dave Boling! You cannot have an entire team of youngsters–you have to have the right mix of veteran leaders as well, and Mike Robinsons departure would leave a gaping hole, not only onfield, but in the leadership of this team.

    We know that JS and PC can be ruthless–as evidenced by giving Hass and Leon Washington their walking papers–but they DO value leadership, and experience. I think they are looking 1-3 yrs into the future too, and they realize that if he’s injured during the season, we need a fallback fullback..heh..

  26. I hope during my ranting everyone figured out that I wasn’t a huge fan of Moffitt onfield–I just freaked out about them giving up on a third round pick, and the line being unsettled for more than six straight years. And Moffitt was a funny dude. Yeah, I get it–funny doesn’t win you a roster spot.

    Thus begins the Sweezy Experiment.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Dave,

    And I totally agree with your assessment of Moffitt (the football player) and his lack of dedication and/or ability to play well for this team.

    It would also be interesting to hear your assessment of Carpenter, however I understand if now is not a good time for that.

    (Not any fault of their own) but I still believe those two were thrown well into the fire before they were close to handling it as rookies.
    It made me question Carroll’s concept of competition at the time.

  28. montanamike2 says:

    Same thanks Dave. Mike Rob is clears paths for beastmode and contributes occasionally on short yard third downs, as well as leading special teams.
    Beastmode wouldn’t like you taking him away, bad for chemistry to make beastmode angry.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Funny stuff!
    Urlacher tells Wilson that he ended his career-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQH1-ejf1o

  30. montanamike2 says:

    That was a good clip GeorgiaHawk, Urlacher seems a bit bitter about that.

  31. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Can’t go wrong with this list, however move over a bit Thomas because Wilson is clearly the MVP of this team.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/81248/ranking-seattle-seahawks-top-10-players

  32. Dave thanks again. I love how connected you are to this blog. I absolutely agree with Moffitt on every aspect. Always love your insight on line play.

    It seems I stirred the pot a little with Robinson. I absolutely agree he’s invaluable as well as a top FB. As I said I think he’s earned an extension but from recent interviews it sounds as though Pete and John are also trying to change the game at FB as they have in so many other aspects.

    I honestly feel that Mike Rob is the best FB in the league. I just wonder how the regime values that position as a whole. Towards the end of the season they strayed away from 2RB sets in a dramatic fashion. Mike Rob is absolutely essential to traditional run schemes. Again I just wonder if they are morphing into something of a new style.

    Easy people I’m not calling for mike robs head. I just wonder why they haven’t extended his contract yet.

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    HawksKD-

    If you were making the same kind of statements about Moffitt a week ago some would be calling for your head. Lol.

    You make a good point imo about Mike Rob and the FO staying away from the 2RB sets. And he is 30 years old, which makes him an old man with regards to FB.
    Not that I want him to go, but the FB position is one of the least important positions in the NFL.

    I think he sticks at least one more year.

  34. raymaines says:

    After watching about 3/4 of the Carolina game tonight I am officially no longer worried about the Seahawks in week one.

  35. Don’t kick to Ted Ginn and somebody block Luke Kuechley (sp?)

  36. Seattle wanted Kuechley pretty badly, just not enough to trade up to get him. So we ended up with Irvin, Wagner, Wilson, and Turbin through round 4. I wouldn’t want to sacrifice either Turbin or Wagner to have traded up to get Kuechley, but this guy is gonna be a far better player than Irvin, IMO.

    I still cant believe we got Wags, RW, and Turbo in round 2-4 of the same draft. SICK!

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nobody has to play football, but here is an interesting article on CTE.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/health/cte-study-ronney-jenkins/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Throw in the potential of Irvin, Howard & Scruggs. Then how about Sweezy and undrafted free agent Kearse. Did I forget anyone?
    This could turn out as one of the filthy rich sick drafts of all time.

  39. Georgia I was actually going to post about the Sweezy and Mofitt battle before the trade happened but KNEW how much of a following he had here due to RRR and figured I would have been spurned from this blog as was ACIB. Every single thing Dave Boling said echoes my EXACT sentiment. Moffitt has the know how but lacks strength and physicality.

    It will be easier to teach Sweezy the intricacies than wait for Moffitt to get right strength and conditioning wise.

    And also for the people who lambaste Cable and blame him for the Moffitt trade to feed his ego. Shame on your ignorance. Cable is an amazing teacher and coach this is a given, this is well known. What has been under scruitiny is his ability to evaluate talent in the top end of the draft. The Moffitt trade only further reinforces his “inability” to measure that top end talent. Again shame on you. Under PC/JS (obviously) Tom Cable is arguably the most essential piece to what we are building here.

  40. I sure don’t wanna lose Spencer Ware by trying to get him on the PS.

  41. bbnate420 says:

    HawksKD, I think you’d have to do a lot more than talk badly about Moffitt to attain ACIB status. I liked him on RRR as well, but that’s not good enough to keep him on the team. I think your scouting reports are at least fairly well respected here. I know I value them.

    Mohawk, Irvin only had 2 sacks versus GB. CC had 4, though it looked to me like Irvin should’ve gotten a half of one of CC’s 4 sacks.

    DJammer, that’s incorrect. Though he is 3rd. You are just looking at the base salary. LeRon McClain makes an average of 2.75 mil and Mike Tolbert make an average of 2.725 mil. I think he’s safe for 2013. We’ll see how it goes in 2014. Lots of factors in play there. I don’t see him getting an extension. The lack of demand and his age are the reasons he won’t get an extension IMO.

  42. bbnate420 says:

    I personally think that Mike Rob is worth every penny of that 2.5 mil and probably more. I wasn’t a big fan in 2010, because he dropped some passes and I didn’t watch him closely enough. I was really impressed with him in 2011-2012. That NFL Films piece on him and Beast Mode is enlightening and great. I’ll say it again, I’d much rather pay Mike Rob 2.5 mil than pay Clinton McDonald 1.3 mil.

  43. montanamike2 says:

    HawksKD i wouldn’t call for your head over a different opinion on a player, like Nate said, you’re not even close to ACIB.
    I don’t want to lose Ware either KLM, he has a promising future.

  44. bbnate420 says:

    They’re likely going to have to chance trying to get Ware or a 6th WR on the PS. With Bates going to FB, that probably helps. He likely would make it to PS. And he could play WR or FB in a pinch.

  45. bbnate420 says:

    Harper is a ? at this point.

  46. montanamike2 says:

    I don’t know if Harper is just not getting it or is Pete hiding him.

  47. montanamike2 says:

    Lockette was Kaep’s best friend and roommate, now that he’s gone i don’t see how the whiners have positive chemistry.

  48. bbnate420 says:

    Harper hasn’t shown a lot during games. We don’t know what he’s done for sure in practice. Regardless of what they say, being a 2013 4th round pick does play SOME role IMO. I don’t think they keep him simply because he was a 4th round pick, i.e. EJ Wilson. I think he’s the 6th WR at best right now. I think Kearse has the 4th and Williams the 5th right now.

  49. CDHawkFan says:

    When I heard about the DL that went to PC worried about his place on the team, I figure it was Clinton McDonald and not Mebane. Mebane to me is a starter and should not worry much, but McDonald is near the bottom of the depth chart and they added a lot of DL help with McDaniel, Hill, Williams. Also think that McDonald’s salary means a lot more to him than McBane’s due to year in the league and total earned.

  50. bbnate420 says:

    I can’t imagine them cutting Mebane before the 2013 season either. I would assume that they mean McDonald.

  51. wabubba67 says:

    Not sure if I completely understand the franchise tag rules, but when a player is tagged don’t they get the average of the top five salaries at that position for one year?

    If that’s true, would Robinson be in the unusual and unfortunate (for him) position of potentially getting tagged next year and actually taking a decrease in pay compared to what he is making this season?

  52. bbnate420 says:

    Robinson could definitely be tagged. FB is a good position to do it to. The only issues are money and if they feel they need to tag someone else. You only get 1 tag a season.

  53. bbnate420 says:

    And yes, he would make the average of the top 5 FBs, less than 2.5 mil.

  54. “That NFL Films piece on him and Beast Mode is enlightening and great.”

    I’m with you on that – Robinson is one of the glue guys on the team, and still an effective player. Watching that NFL Films piece also made me thing that Rob is a key part of keeping Lynch in tune. And that’s worth a lot.

  55. raymaines says:

    The Tag number isn’t necessarily what MikeRob would make, so much as it would be the one year contract number offered to him. He and the team could still negotiate a longer contract with different numbers, either higher or lower, or he could retire and earn zero next year.

  56. wabubba67 says:

    I guess that my point is that we should not be all that concerned with retaining Robinson’s services as a player. The Seahawks have complete leverage in this case. They can either keep Robinson on board at the current price (or less if they tag him), or let him go if they believe a younger and cheaper option exists. Robinson really doesn’t have a choice.

    If I were Robinson, I would be grateful that the Seahawks picked him up off of waivers after the 49ers cut him and gave him the opportunity to not only contribute to a winner on special teams but to also become a viable FB in a league where FBs are nearing extinction. From his perspective, it sucks but he has no choice but to accept it.

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