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Morning links: Hawks bring intensity – even when games don’t count

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 20, 2013 at 7:33 am with 75 Comments »
August 20, 2013 7:33 am
Seattle Seahawks' Jermaine Kearse celebrates his touchdown against the Denver Broncos in the first half of a preseason NFL football game, Saturday, Aug. 17, 2013, in Seattle. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)
Seattle Seahawks’ Jermaine Kearse celebrates his touchdown against the Denver Broncos in the first half of a preseason NFL football game, Saturday, Aug. 17, 2013, in Seattle. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)

Dave Boling of The News Tribune writes that through the midpoint of exhibition play, the Seattle Seahawks have played with the same intensity and effort they put forth in the regular season, which is a testament to the system that Pete Carroll has built during his tenure in Seattle.

Boling: “Usually the best preseason intensity — if sometimes raw and unpolished — is late in these games when the third-stringers are fighting to earn roster spots.

But Saturday night, safety Kam Chancellor, a Pro Bowl player in 2011, made 11 tackles — in just the first half. And Seahawks starters contributing on special teams units included All-Pros Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman.

The combined 21 penalties made it painful to watch at times, but the popping of the pads on the field was almost as loud as the crowd of 67,635 at CenturyLink Field.”

Here’s my story on the John Moffitt trade to Cleveland. Moffitt potentially could have been a roster cut in two weeks because of young depth at his position, so the Seahawks chose to move him instead. Seattle did something similar two years ago when they traded cornerback Kelly Jennings to Cincinnati for Clinton McDonald.

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle writes that offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell may have tipped off Moffitt’s departure with his comments last week.

ESPN’s Mike Sando notes that only five of Seattle’s nine draft picks from 2011 remain on the team’s roster.

Russell Wilson is on the cover of GQ.


Check out video from the photo shoot down below.

Clare Farnsworth of talks with some former Seattle players like Jacob Green, who like how the current team plays on the field.

Check out the birth of Beast Mode in the video below.

ESPN’s Skip Bayless says the Seahawks are overhyped in this video link.

Jay Glazer of Fox Sports has video of Houston’s Antonio Smith pulling off Miami offensive guard Richie Igcognito’s helmet and swinging it at his face. Glazer says the league is looking into the incident.

My Purse! My Choice! Check out a well-done satire of the NFL’s bag policy in the video below.

Morning links
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  1. chrisj122 says:

    I hope RW doesn’t leave us to become the next zoolander!!!


  2. yankinta says:

    lol @ the last video….

  3. Southendzone says:

    Uh oh, rw in gq is a bad sign. Total jump the shark move

  4. Those earth tones they had RW dressed in for the GQ photoshoot would have gone very well with a Cleveland Browns ballcap.

  5. BIRTH OF BEASTMODE! I love it.

  6. Maybe we should just give Russell Wilson some more money so he’s not tempted to follow Krapernick on the nudie-magazine circuit.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    Jump the shark? How does that expression apply? Nothing wrong with Russell getting some love.

    On a different note, I’m excited to see Kearse return kicks again this Friday. Would love to see last week wasn’t an aberration.

  8. Eric — since none of us know too much about Brian Sanford yet, I’m hoping you will give us a report from camp to tell us where they are lining him up. Thanks.

  9. yankinta says:

    Hey, I like RW in GQ,, in fact I’m gonna try to copy his first outfit with red jacket,, lol… that’s kind of my style… now I just gotta save $3000 to buy that jacket, sweater, jeans and shoes…. :)

  10. I hope we’re all done with the Moffitt ranting. He was our WORST lineman (although not terrible), but from a position of strength, I’d rather that we kept the other guys we have.

    Admittedly, the dude was entertaining on the MRob reports and such, but I’m not sad about this at all. For SBTTM (or whatever the hell their handle is) to go off like they have is nothing short of ridiculous.

    Something along the lines of “I’m sick of this offensive line sucking” is just flat out wrong. 2 Pro Bowlers, Beast has a career year, etc. and I’m not sure what SBBTM is really expecting.

    This coaching staff and upper level management has more leeway than any other in Seahawk history…period.

    In PC and JS we trust!


  11. bbnate420 says:

    +1 Joreb

  12. RDPoulsbo says:

    joreb: naw, the worst guy (that’s projected to make the roster anyway) is probably Jeanpierre. Hopefully, they won’t need him. The problem with the guards and Breno isn’t run blocking, but pass pro. The guards are especially important in 3 step drops for a guy like RW since he can use he widest passing lanes he can get given his height. Nothing can be done there until next offseason, so onward and upward.

    It’s kind of hillarious that the outfits RW is wearing in GQ probably would cost him an entire game check. He doesn’t have to worry though, he’ll get his payday.

    The GF carries 2 purses. Don’t know why, don’t want to ask. She’s not getting into Seahawk games with them anyway.

  13. grizindabox24 says:

    Stevos, the depth chart released yesterday had Sanborn at LDT

  14. Southendzone says:

    Jump the shark totally applies. RW is supposed to br about football, effort, grinding out long hours in the film room, and saying “Go Hawks”

    I dont want to see him doing tampon commercials or baking cookies with Martha Stewart either.

  15. chrisj122 says:

    RW looks like a straight G sitting that old Porsche

  16. chrisj122 says:

    Jump the shark means something that is past it’s prime or describing something that has already peeked and is now in decline.

    I still don’t understand how it applies

  17. RDPoulsbo says:

    I didn’t care that RW was walking around town in Levis, so I don’t really care if he’s getting into GQ. Get those endorsements to pad the bank account, a photoshoot isn’t going to change his work habits.

  18. Last week it was foam rollers, now we’re debating American Idioms. What’s next?

  19. chrisj122 says:

    Arthur Fonzarelli is much more than an American Idiom.

  20. RDPoulsbo says:

    If there’s someone who deserved to have his helmet ripped off and swung at him, it would be Richie Incognito. Smith was outright wrong to do it and deserves a long suspension, but Incognito is no victim.

  21. sluggo42 says:

    RW deserves huge bank, and if GQ will give him some, I’m down. Ya gotta admit, the dude is firing on all cylinders, and winning at life wouldn’t ya say.

    Skippy is just dumb.

    I’m very curios about not only the new guy, but how well are the rookie oline players getting…
    As moffitt is gone, easy slave, perhaps one of the new guys steps it up….

  22. yankinta says:

    RDPoulsbo, for Selfish reasons, I want Smith to be suspended for the first 4 games of the Season. That’d help ease one of our 10AM Games at the Texans…. :)

  23. Russell Wilson – what a diva.

  24. tchristensen says:

    It appears Bayless will be carrying a grudge against Richard Sherman and the Hawks until they shut him up by winning the division.

  25. chuck_easton says:

    I’m all for Wilson cashing in on his celebrity to put his bank account more in line with where it should be.

    The team can’t even give him a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, bonus or talk future money until after the 2014 season.

    Look at other sports. Pro tennis players make more off their endorsement deals than they do playing tennis. Same with the majority of pro golfers. Let’s not even get into Entertainers. All they have is their name and image to sell for millions.

    If Wilson can’t get paid for doing his job, let the guy make as much as possible by selling his name, face, personality, and popularity.

    Now, I just have to hide that issue of GQ from my 16 year old. I can’t have him demanding that outfit for the first day of school. I can’t afford it.

  26. Carlsonkid says:

    Naw , not done with Moffitt ranting joreb . Wanna know who the worst lineman really is ? A veritable turnstile who never stays healthy named James Carpenter ..

    Danny O’Neil’s article about the Moffitt trade suggests one of the reasons the Hawks are successful is because they’re willing to cut players who don’t perform regardless of draft position . I beg to differ . Honestly , I’d love got someone gop show me film – any film – of Carpenter playing better than Moffitt , arty either guard or tackle . The FO loves him apparently , and all his ‘potential’ . The man was a 1st found draft pick who got beat out at right tackle by a guy off of Green Bay’s scrap heap . But I don’t see Carpenter getting cut or traded , even after yet another injury . Even when he’s healthy , he’s just not produced anywhere near the level you expect from a first rounder ( or 4th rounder for that matter ) .

    If Sweezy gets hurt , we may regret trading Moffitt . Just sayin’ ..

  27. Carlsonkid says:

    P.S. , I hate swype : )

  28. chuck_easton says:


    The team hasn’t seen enough of Carp to decide if he is or isn’t going to be good. The guy can’t stay healthy enough to put together a decent evaluation tape.

    He’s under contract for a few more years. If he hasn’t started performing by the end of this contract there won’t be another.

  29. Heard a little while ago on the Brock & Danny show, MVP odds this season, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are #1 and 2 respectively. RW3 is tied with RGIII on the list at #8 at 18/1 odds.

    Kaepernick is #3. 10/1.

    Just a bit overrated, but it’s about people putting money on these guys, not expected performance.

  30. NYHawkFan says:

    Eric, another request for information: According to ESPN’s Web site, the Seahawks will soon be covered by “Terry Blount (ESPN NASCAR writer)” and Sando will move on to being a national columnist for ESPN. I can’t seem to find any information on Mr. Blount, other than that he’s got 25 years of newspaper writing under his belt.

  31. grizindabox24 says:

    I know that Terry Blount lives in the Seattle area and he did cover the Houston Oilers way back when

  32. Sando is going to ESPN Insider. That’s one that requires payment, isn’t it? Bummer.

  33. Dukeshire says:

    Southendzone – I don’t think that expression means what you think it does. Simply because he participated in a photo shoot doesn’t somehow mitigate his work ethic and leadership skills. If you’re concerned about that, let Tom Brady be your paradigm of hope.

    PHXHawk – It does. Insider also has Matt Bowen, one of the best Xs and Os analyst in the business. Making it tough to not subscribe.

  34. chuck_easton says:

    OK, I admit I do subscribe to the Insider just so I can read some of the more in depth analysis.

    I do have to say there is in depth drivil as well, but for the most part ESPN has done a great job of keeping some very interesting and informative pieces hidden behind that Insider paid wall.

    Now, I’m usually one to refuse to pay for something that should be free to the masses, but it worked on me. I’m sure it’s made quite the impact in the profit margin for the big E in Connecticut.

  35. seatowntp says:

    Russell Wilson sighting.

    The man crush grows.

    I’ve got issues!

  36. GeorgiaRay says:

    God, Bayless is insufferable…Doesn’t even get my ire up, just sad…

  37. Apologies for the many Moffit related rants I posted yesterday. Sadly, here is another, albeit calmer, rant.

    Too many of you take the attitude that once a player is no longer a Hawk, they suck; you turn on them and immediately take the FO’s side. You did it when Ruskell was bringing in garbage and getting rid of all our talent, and youre doing it for this organization. And I think that attitude stinks. Shame on you (you know who you are).

    Moffitt wasnt great. But he wasnt garbage. And while he may have been cut, the tape shows it wouldnt be solely based on talent/performance, because he wasnt playing badly at all. And no one on this blog suggested he would be cut until it happened–yet now you all act like youre great sages and saw this one coming all along…what a pile of hooey!

    And Im not really upset that they decided to go in a different direction. Im upset that we are going to start a player at RG who has one year of O-line experience since Pop Warner. Im upset that more than six years straight we dont have a solid offensive line. Im upset we didnt get more than a bag of chips in trade for Moffitt. And Im upset that we drafted Carp and Moffitt in the first place. Major fail by Cable, to be sure.

    And stating this may annoy you–but it surely doesnt make me a bad fan, or disloyal, or someone who jumps teams. So STFU those of you who suggest such things: Ive rooted for the Hawks since before I could understand what a field goal was (1983), and they are the only sports team Ive ever really cared about. And Im certainly not going to stop being a huge Seahawk fan because a few armchair GM’s dont agree with my opinions.

    And Im not the only one on this blog who thought Sweezy wasnt outplaying Moffitt, there were a few, and Dukeshire was one of them. He smartly bailed on the discussion early rather than argue with Schneider/Carrol/Cable dittoheads.

    Our Offensive line is not elite. They arent even that good. Lynch, Mike Rob, RW, and the rest help them look good–not the other way around. This line is inconsistent in the run game, and below avg at pass pro. And no, I dont expect to have Chance Warmack at G or the reincarnation of Futch, but finding two avg NFL G’s should not be a seven year process. So far, thats what we’re looking at.

    I love our coach and FO, and I dont think I can give them any pointers. But one of their main jobs was to fix the G positions, and so far they havent.

  38. bbnate–Unger played well his rookie year–but he was out of position at G. Then he got hurt and missed his entire second season. So he should have made the Pro Bowl as a rookie?! Cable has helped Unger to be a Pro Bowler, but he always had that talent. He was gonna make it no matter what. Now, if Cable can get anything out of Carp at LG and make Breno even a one-time Pro Bowler, THEN I will sing his praises. For now, he’s brought us Gallery the Washed Up at LG, followed by McQ the Unimpressive, with Carpenter of the 340 lb body made of glass, and RG Sweezy.

    Now Sweezy I think will be a pretty good G, but not right away. ANd Im not happy to watch the guy in pass pro come game one–he’s not very good at it.

  39. mindnbrad says:

    Stevos and RDP cracking me up! :) Love this blog!

    Amazing to me that Skip Bayless gets paid to do what he does. Bless the hearts of all of his co-workers…

  40. grizindabox24 says:

    STTBM assumes that anyone would give more than Sanford for Moffitt. I see that as a big assumption on your part.

  41. “And no one on this blog suggested he would be cut until it happened…”

    I did post last week that Moffitt’s situation reminded me of Pete Kendall’s under Holmgren. Pete was a smartass similar to Moffitt. Neither one of them took conditioning as seriously as the staff would have liked. So no I didn’t suggest that he would be cut(traded) but the feeling was there that he certainly was not safe.

  42. Thanks for the link Sandpoint. Now I know how to properly use “jumping the shark” in a sentence. Learn something new every day.

  43. Colin Kaepernick posing nude in espn magazine — THAT is jumping the shark.

    Just wait until the NFL realizes how overrated Kaepernick is after starting only 10 games in his career.

  44. grizindabox24 says:

    Just read that trade was voided by Browns because of health concerns.

  45. STTBM, glad to see you chilled out today bud.

    I guess I have a different take on our O linemen and Tom Cable than you do. Maybe I’m just drinking the kool aid. But here’s how I see it:

    Unger struggled at T and G until Cable came along and taught him to play C. Even Alex Gibbs put Spencer at C instead of Unger, and Unger quickly showed he has exactly what you need in a good C, smarts, leadership,and toughness. Before Cable, Unger was a guy on the bubble and wouldn’t be here today.

    Carpenter started at LG RT (both new positions for him) as a rookie without having any offseason training or even being in shape yet. He wasn’t ready. At LG in camp this year, he looked impressive. We’ll see what happens. a

    Galley was brought to us by Tom Cable. He was too old and injury prone to play much, but he was a coach on the field during that first half-training camp when Carp and Moffitt were rookies. Gallery played a big part in showing those rookies how its done.

    McQuistan was brough here by Cable because he can start at four O line positions. In my opinion he’s the next best OT on the team after Okung. Just my opinion. Also, he’s played more healthy snaps than any O lineman we have. He’s valuable.

    Sweezy (who you think will be a pretty good G): If not for Tom Cable, Sweezy would be working at UPS today and talking about his college career as a defensive lineman.

    Giacomini was a TE-turned-RT who was a washout in Green Bay. Two years on the practice squad and he still couldn’t play. Cable turned him into a starting tackle.

    Moffitt – Cable drafted him in the third round, but wasn’t going to anoint him with a starters job unless he earned it. Pretty soon Cable found several other guys who can do what he needs done at G, namely: cut block linebackers into the dirt – something Moffitt didn’t seem to have enough appetite for. Cable’s line will move on and not miss a beat. Not one.

    Drinking the Cable Kook Aid? Yeah man, I guess I am. Dude’s an f-in O line Genius.

  46. Dukeshire says:

    STTBM – There was no chance I was going to get involved with that Moffitt thread for just the reasons you cited. When I saw 91 posts when I got up this morning I knew I made the right decision. lol.

  47. Moffit was not the worst lineman we had…that came out wrong. What I meant was that of the starting lineman, that position was the worst (and usually is).

    Moffit reminded/reminds me of John Belushi. Kind of a goof off, but the kind of guy you’d like to go throw down a few brews with then piss in a mall parking lot (lol). :-)

    I don’t hate him at all, but it does seem that he might not have been the best fit. Our team is a group of eclectic personalities, but one thing they share is competitive fire and team first. Moffit may have been those things, but the interviews that I saw, it was pretty hard to tell.

    SBBTM or whatever you are continues to get belligerent about expectations for the o-line. I have a question…with the exception of the 49ers (that Harbaugh did NOT build), which offensive lines do you admire and why?

    I’ll be anxiously (ok, maybe not that anxiously) awaiting your response.


  48. Kaep is good but he’s also playing behing the NFL’s best O-line. That line was so dominant that K.C. gave 2 high picks away believing that Alex Smith is a talented QB. What a bunch of suckers.

  49. Duke, lol. I admire the restraint.

  50. Galena – yeah I also think Kaepernick is good. Very good. Still over-rated though.

    We’ll see how he does this year with a thin receiving corps and DBs who struggle to keep the opponent’s score down.

  51. CDHawkFan says:

    Slave, when you come on that strong, say our coaches suck, have egos that get in the way of making the team better, and pull a Yanker guarantee that this is a bad move, how do expect some not to come back as strong on you?

    I have a hard time accepting apologies when the action was so loud, long, and deep and also the fact that some were trying to keep you in check.

    Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but so is everyone else. If you didn’t like the comments you received then consider how you contributed to that reaction.

  52. Stevos–Unger was a great C already. Cable taught him some more skills, to be sure, but Unger was a C from a ZBS to start with. Im not giving Cable Genius Status for turning a Pro Bowl talent into a Pro Bowler.

    Carp showed up fat as hell as a rookie–a real thank you to the organization that drafted him two full rounds ahead of where he expected to go. What a guy. Talk about a lack of personal responsibility…And he stayed fat. While the lack of offseason hurt everyone, he could have and should have acted like a pro and hired someone to help him get into shape–but instead he loafed. Then the organization rushed him back when everyone could see that his knee wasnt right…now he’s unable to get back onfield. Still, I have no respect for him, as he hasnt earned any.

    Youre right; McQ is valuable, but only because he’s mediocre at every position, and we dont even have that at LG, so he’s the best we got.

    Breno is perhaps the worst starting RT in football, as several nerdy stat-sites have proclaimed him. While I dont think he’s that bad, he’s below avg.

    Like I said, if Sweezy tears it up soon, and Breno makes even ONE Pro Bowl under Cable, I will anoint him a Genius. Until then, Im not impressed.

    But its cool you think he’s great, I have a lot of respect for you and your reasoning, most of the time. No worries.

  53. Dukeshire–Yeah, folks were PISSED that I didnt just blindly trust our FO, and they turned on Moffitt like hyenas…

  54. grizindabox24 says:

    STTBM, so unless every Hawk starting O-lineman makes the Pro Bowl you will consider Cable a failure? This of course takes into account that the Pro Bowl continues.

  55. CDHawkfan–I didnt guarantee this was a bad move, I simply stated my reasons for not liking it, and why IMO its a bad move. No one is a bigger fan of this org, but I dont blindly trust their every move, as they have screwed the pooch a few times.

    I never said our coaches suck. Fact is, Carrol isnt a great coach–he makes too many in-game mistakes, and has poor discipline. But he’s ours and I like him and I think he WILL be a great coach. Cable I am uneasy with–I dont think he’s great, and there’s plenty to back that up. I wish him well, but Im not blindly trusting him nor anointing him a Genius just yet.

    The ones who were simply hoping I would be calmer were not the ones I commented to. I responded to those who made comments to me and were making logical errors and those who were just being asshats.

    And I never said my opinion was sure to be right–Lord knows, Ive been wrong plenty of times. But Ive also been right when everyone was sure I wasnt, so Im sticking to my opinion unless and until its proven wrong.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I dont have to agree and I can and will argue a point to infinity if it interests me and others also wish to argue.

    Others should also take your advice–quite a few comments directed at me were beyond the pale and some were rather attacking and personal, which I have not resorted to. I merely responded to those who raised points I disagreed with, or to those who put words in my mouth.

    Enough. Im not happy the line isnt settled, its a huge pet peeve of mine, and until the line is clicking, Im going to be grouchy about it–but Im done talking about it for now. And Moffitt, as I have repeatedly said, wasnt great, but he wasnt garbage. Thats all.

  56. Yeah Stevos, the Niners won’t escape the injury bug 3 years in a row. I much preferred their defense minus Justin Smith last year. Here’s to hoping that they have “jumped the shark” in the NFC West.

    And welcome back Moffitt.

  57. grizindabox24 says:

    Galena, Moffitt was traded to Denver

  58. grizindabox–For the thousandth time, its not one or the other: we dont need All Pro or even Pro Bowl G’s and RT. But it is certainly possible to build a line with two Pro Bowlers and three other above avg players in six-seven years. We dont have that. We have two Pro Bowlers, and three avg to below avg players, and many think thats the best we can hope for. I dont believe that at all.

    And it really pisses me off when people put words in my mouth–this is like the tenth time since yesterday someone has accused me of believing we have to have 5 Pro Bowlers on the line…but I have gone to great lengths to explain that this isnt so. I guess you guys only read to the second sentence, then make stuff up…

    Im really pissed we ate up a first round pick and 11 million in cap space for Harvin–who wont play for ages–and we are stuck with the Three Stooges at G and RT.

    Cable isnt a failure–yet. But he sure isnt O-line Coach of the Year, or a genius, as some would have it.

  59. We got a DT from Denver named Siliga or something for Moffitt.

    Moffitt must feel like crap about now.

  60. grizindabox24 says:

    STTBM, did you not say this above “Like I said, if Sweezy tears it up soon, and Breno makes even ONE Pro Bowl under Cable, I will anoint him a Genius. Until then, Im not impressed.”

    I did not put any words in your mouth.

  61. grizindabox24 says:

    STTBM, is there anything you do like about the Hawks?

  62. Nowhere in what I said is there any reference to having 5 Pro Bowl lineman. If Cable can turn Sweezy into a good G this year, and Breno makes so much as one Pro Bowl in his career, I will admit Cable is some sort of genius. So far, Cable has whiffed on his two most coveted lineman, brought in Gallery who was garbage, brought McQ who is valuable mostly because no one else is very good at G, and helped turn huge talents like Okung and Unger in Pro Bowlers.

    I dont think this makes Cable a genius.

    And I would dearly love to see Carp get his fat ass healthy and performing at a reasonable level at LG, Sweezy finally able to pass pro, and Breno playing at an avg level. I would be thrilled with that. So far, its not even close to happening.

    If the lines performance last year is good enough for you, thats fine: for me thats like being happy you lost in the first round of the playoffs five years in a row–ie, not good enough.

  63. grizindabox24 says:

    STTBM, I never once said whether or not I think the line play is good or bad. But your rant is so frickin hilarious. All you do is piss and moan over every single thing, and most times over exaggerate the real circumstances.

  64. Of course, Griz, I love many things about the Hawks. (and you’d know that if you commented here more often) But talking about how great RW is is BORING. And nothing is happening on that front–its been talked to death and isnt current; the line not being above avg for the sixth straight year IS, imo.

    I think Tate is awesome, Ive been his supporter since day one. Folks got tired of me talking about that. I like Baldwin a lot. Ditto there. RW is great, Mebane is a stud, the Legion of Boom is amazing, our LB’s are pretty good, and we only really have to fix the run stuffing DT spot and the offensive line and we’re a SB team…

    Im stoked about Mayowa and the young RB’s, and Ive talked that to death as well.

    Try posting something besides telling me I am a crappy fan, or dont like the hawks, or whatever…what do you like? Just giving me crap, apparently…

  65. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, you telling people that they are putting words in your mouth is the pot calling the kettle black. You’ve been using straw man arguments consistently. Who here said that Moffitt is garbage? Certainly not me. I don’t see people here turning on him. Many have wished him well. I do too. I’m just not going to pretend that he was even close to being a good OG. Sweezy beat him out. I would guess that PC and Cable would rather keep Bailey or Bowie than Moffitt. The guy couldn’t hold down a starting job and didn’t play particularly well when he was in there.

    What’s important here is not yours or my evaluation of Moffitt. IMO it’s the team’s evaluation that is important. You’re free to believe that your evaluation is more important than Cable’s or PC’s. I sure as hell do not, and I would bet most fans feel the same way. There’s a reason that they are paid a lot of money to coach and you are not. PC has made way more good decisions than bad here. Is every decision he makes right? Of course not. Is he always right about players and you always wrong? No, but I’ll take his opinion of a player over yours any day of the week. Even assuming that you had the same amount of football knowledge as PC or Cable, which I highly doubt, they see the players WAY more. You don’t have the information that they do.

    You make all kinds of assumptions about their motives because it seems you just can’t handle the fact that they don’t seem to look at Moffitt the same way you do. Your scouting report of Moffitt is not fact. It is simply your opinion. One not seemingly shared by many in the NFL.

  66. bbnate420 says:

    Another straw man argument is that you seem to be claiming that I said that Unger wasn’t talented. Of course he was talented before he met Cable. He very well may have become a pro bowler without Cable or PC. But it is completely asinine IMO to say that they just lucked into Unger. To act like they had nothing to do with putting him back at C and developing him.

    I never questioned whether you are a fan or not. I do question whether or not you get much joy out of being a fan. You always seem to be complaining about something. It can become repetitive and depressing at times.

    Speaking of RW, you were even complaining about his game against Denver. A game where he went 8-12 with 127 yards and 2 TDs for a 141.3 QB rating in the second preseason game versus a good defense. And you’re still whining about a couple of overthrows and supposedly missing Tate for a TD. Maybe you should look at what you post if you wonder why some may perceive you as negative? I’m not trying to be an ass. I am far from perfect. I’m just trying to give you some food for thought.

  67. bbnate–They are not straw-man arguments. Go back and read all the comments directed at me and tell me how else I can respond to them without making 30 more separate comments (no one wants that, certainly not me). And tell me my so-called straw man arguments dont apply to many of those comments.

    I never said that you believed Unger had no talent. Its asinine to believe that Cable should get heaps of credit for a) realizing as everyone in the NFL and most of us fans did, that Unger belonged at C and b) for Unger making a Pro Bowl last year. As I said, Unger was a born C, played mostly C in college, and was a perfect fit for a zbs (Oregon ran it). He was likely to be a Pro Bowler with any halfway decent ZBS line coach.

    All Im saying is Cable doesnt deserve to be labeled a genius for Okung and Unger making the Pro Bowl. But of course he had something to do with it–Ive said that too. He’s done a nice job with 2 out of his five lineman–that doesnt make him a genius.

    Several other commenters have questioned my right to be a fan and suggested I hate the Seahawks or should root for another team. I was getting quite a lot of that in responses.

    If you disagree with aspects of my opinions, state them. I have no problem with that. But if my comments depress you, dont read them. I tell you what, the status of the offensive line–especially the G positions–has depressed me for more than six years straight. Its one of my biggest frustrations with the Seahawks, and it adds onto the frustration of being a fan since 1983 and suffering through the Behring Dark Ages. Its cumulative. And it painful to see Seattle be this close to dominance and watch a recurring, continual, yet fixable problem–the lack of a quality O-line–risk derailing everything. And thats where we’re at, IMO; a quality O-line from winning a SB.

    As for RW, I wasnt complaining. The fact is, he flat missed on some throws he shouldnt have, and missed at least one read. Those kinds of plays cost us quite a few TD’s last year, and cost Rice a lot of big plays, as others have mentioned. I realize his rating was great, and that he played well. I merely stated what others also pointed out in the media, including Pete Carrol; that RW made some mistakes–in fact, rookie mistakes. WHich means this team isnt ready to pick up where it left off last year and still has a ways to go, even our star qb. But many people are ignoring that.

    THere are mostly big-picture folks here. They cant handle in-depth analysis, because their brains dont work that way. There are others that get lost in minutiae. I feel Im in the middle, leaning towards overly analytical. Why? Because thats how my brain works. Doesnt make it wrong.

    Youre telling me RW didnt mis-read that play? That he didnt miss on some easy throws? That Im the only one who mentioned this? None of those things are true. As I said, even Pete Carrol stated RW left some throws out there. Now, is RW falling apart? Hell no. But he’s got work to do, as I said.

    We all are amateurs here on this fan blog. Duh! And as Ive said a thousand times, Its not that I thought Moffitt was great or a huge loss. Im just pissed the line is still a mess, Im pissed Carp and Moffitt are busts, and I pissed we got nothing for a third round pick less than three years later. Those things are bummers.

    The only reason I spent 500 comments on the subject is all the angry responses I got, most of which twisted my words and opinions and made assumptions about me that I felt were incorrect.

    And this all came at an extremely bad time for me. Things are about as hard as they can get, and it will be awhile before things change. So I overreacted. Not the first time, nor likely the last.

  68. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, first off, I am sorry that you are having a rough time. If venting here is what you need to do, that’s fine with me. You’re right that we surely don’t have to read the posts. You didn’t personally insult another commenter. I have certainly done worse on here before.

    I enjoy your take most of the time, even if I don’t agree with it. It does seem that you tend to be a bit negative. Just my perception. And I am someone that people say can be too negative.

    I’m not saying that Cable is a genius, though I think he is a good coach and has done a good job coaching up the line and running game. If he was truly responsible for drafting Carp and Moffitt, well that doesn’t look real good right now. Though Carp had a major injury and I have not given up on him. I really hope he makes some people here eat crow this year.

    Not just anyone saw that Unger should be at C. Solari, I believe you called him a genius though it may have been someone else, didn’t play him much of his rookie year at C in 2009. Valero and Ruel had him starting at RG the first game of 2010. He injured his toe in that game and went on the IR. It was when Cable came here in 2011 that he started at C from day one of the regular season. He made the pro bowl under Cable. Would he have made it anyways? We don’t know for sure. It’s speculation. He had the talent to, but talented players don’t work out all the time. I think you have to give Cable at least some credit for Unger.

    The main straw man argument I saw was saying that people had turned on him. I didn’t see much of that. There were plenty of people that thought that he wasn’t very good before the trade. There were people that said he better get his spit together if he wanted to be on the team, though I’m not going to search for a quote.

    I still had some hope for him, though I have said that I hope Sweezy would earn the job due to his higher ceiling. I didn’t really see him getting cut, though I wouldn’t have been shocked. I think this speaks to what the coaches think of Bailey and Bowie. They didn’t want to chance trying to get them on the PS. We’ll have a better idea when the 53 is announced.

  69. bbnate420 says:

    As for RW, I wasn’t saying that you were totally wrong about his game against the Broncos. I’m pointing out that you just chose to focus on the negative. He did have a couple of overthrows. I don’t know about your claim that he missed Tate in the end zone. I don’t remember seeing that, and I can’t find the game online. I’d have to see the play to comment.

    I never expected them to be playing like they were at the end of 2012 at the beginning of the 2013 preseason. Anyone who did has unrealistic expectations IMO. Every season is different. What a team did last year doesn’t necessarily mean squat the next year. I am fine with the game RW had. He’s never going to be perfect.

    I’m not trying to be demeaning by saying that we’re amateurs or armchair coaches/GMs. We are. I think many people put too much stock into their own player evaluations. The coaches see them WAY more than we do. We don’t really see them in practice, meetings, etc.. We don’t have the same tape.

    I doubt anyone here has the kind of football knowledge that Cable or PC has. I will take their evaluations over that of anyone here. They’re not going to always be right, and people here won’t always be wrong. But you have to look at the big picture. They have to be responsible for their evaluations while people here don’t. It’s easy to forget when you were wrong. It ultimately comes down to results. I wouldn’t give PC the same leeway if he hadn’t turned this team around.

  70. bbnate–Tate wasn’t IN the endzone, but he ran free across the field and was waving his arm for the ball…it would likely have been a TD. Its plays like that I was hoping a veteran RW would nail. Again, no panic on my part at all–I expect RW to be great. But little things like that can be the diff b/w last year and a SB victory.

    I was merely trying to point out that plenty of people here ignore the details and just focus too much on the big picture–like the score of this misleading preseason game. I kind of figured folks would freak when I brought up RW’s mistakes, but you guys missed my intent.

    and I surely don’t think I belong on an NFL teams scouting dept. Im sure they are right that Moffitt wasn’t a good fit here, but Im ticked they didn’t figure that out before spending a third round pick on him, but whatever. Like I said, I just have no patience left after waiting so long for a stable O-line.

  71. bbnate420 says:

    Eric and Dave said that they thought that McQ would start at RG if Carp can take LG. I don’t know if that makes you feel better? They should benefit from having played together. 4 of the 5 guys have been there consistently. McQ is somewhat like Moffitt. Will be in the right place and know who to block. Won’t often see him blow someone off the line.

  72. bbnate–At this point, Ive got my frustration out. For now. Im not exactly holding my breath regarding the line. Im not sure if we’ll ever see a solid line here, but it could happen. I will wait and see what happens. At this point, I don’t see Carp being ready to play a whole game come the regular season, so I expect McQ to start at LG and Carp to slowly get his 340 lb self into something resembling gameshape.

    On the plus side, the only other position that really worries me is LDT, the run stuffing spot. Hopefully Hills injury is minor and McD steps up.

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