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Morning links: Turbin ready for takeoff

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 12, 2013 at 7:16 am with 62 Comments »
August 12, 2013 9:28 am
Seattle Seahawks running back Robert Turbin, second from left, runs with the ball past the defense of strong safety Winston Guy, left, during NFL football training camp on Sunday, Aug. 11, 2013, in Renton, Wash. Sunday was the first day that Turbin practiced with the team during camp. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks running back Robert Turbin, second from left, runs with the ball past the defense of strong safety Winston Guy, left, during NFL football training camp on Sunday, Aug. 11, 2013, in Renton, Wash. Sunday was the first day that Turbin practiced with the team during camp. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Seahawks running back Robert Turbin is ready to return to the way he performed during the second half of his rookie season, which included a 108-yard rushing performance in a 58-0 win over Arizona in December.

And Seattle offensive line/assistant head coach Tom Cable expects nothing less.

“We’re counting on it,” Cable said. “What we saw last spring was really exciting. And it took off in the fall, so if he gets going back into this now, and he can pick up from this spring, it will be really neat.”

Turbin missed some time during the team’s mandatory minicamp because of the foot injury, and said his sore foot developed over time, giving him problems when he tried to make sharp cuts while running the football.

Turbin said he dreaded watching practice from the sideline the past few weeks.

“The player always wants to play, and the trainers always want to keep you out until they feel like you’re 100 percent and ready to go,” Turbin said. “It’s a little bit of a love/hate kind of thing. I love them for taking care of me, and being patient with me. But I hate them for taking so long.”

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle writes that the Seahawks are licking their wounds, with several players injured after the San Diego game.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com reports that middle linebacker Bobby Wagner returned with a bang in his Sunday practice report.

Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times provides some more background on WR Stephen Williams’ time in Arizona.

Curtis Crabtree of KJR-AM offers some highlights from Sunday’s practice.

Scott Hansen of Pro Football Focus takes a statistical look back at the Seahawks-Chargers contest. He gives defensive lineman Jaye Howard kudos for his performance.

Andy Benoit writing for The MMQB offers an in-depth preview of the Seahawks.

ESPN’s Hannah Storm interviews Russell Wilson in this video link.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    What a pleasant surprise Jaye Howard is so far.
    I thought (after last year) we would likely not hear much from him again.
    Now if we could get Scruggs back to the level he was playing at last year.

  2. chuck_easton says:

    Seattle is going to have an IR team that could start for many NFL teams!

    Scruggs
    Simon
    Harvin (PUP or IR depending on recovery)
    McCoy

    Given that Simon has never practiced with the team and given that the other CB’s are all so far ahead of him, I could easily see him going through all of camp on PUP and then being transitioned to IR at final cuts.

  3. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric-

    Your link to- Andy Benoit writing for the MMQB- redirect’s to-Scott Hansen of Pro Football Focus.

  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Concerning Simon I hope so Chuck, Would hate to lose him to another team without seeing much of what he can do.

  5. When he missed rookie camp I had predicted / hoped that Simon would spend his rookie season on PUP / IR. It really helps us to keep an extra DB in a year that we are blessed with such amazing depth.

  6. I hope that Carpenter comes back able to play for a complete season (but I have my doubts).

    Its great to have the luxury of three RB’s like Lynch, Turbin and Michael. With any luck, we should have atleast two of them healthy and available for every game.

  7. My only real concern is at TE….. I was hoping that Palmer from Atlanta was going to work out. Now that he hasn’t, I am hoping we can find a quality veteran when teams cut down to 53.

  8. RDPoulsbo says:

    Howard looked pretty good last year, but lacked good technique. It wasn’t too much of a surprise that he spent most of last year on the PS. It might be helping that Quinn is back with Seattle after coaching him at Florida. I’m really liking what I’m seeing from him, but he might be caught in the numbers game this year with Bennett and McDaniel on the team.

  9. I don’t believe he was ever on the practice squad. He was simply inactive many Sundays.

  10. CDHawkFan says:

    Can’t remember how it all went down with Howard last year, but RD reminded me about him (4th round pick) staying on the PS last year. Some people have assumed that this years 4th (C Harper) might be plucked away if he’s not on the final 53, but if Howard made it through why can’t another 4th rounder? I know there is a difference in demand between DT and WR, but its not impossible for Harper to remain a Hawk if he doesn’t make the final 53.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    As deep as this roster appears to be, let’s not get too carried away with “x player could start for many other NFL teams”. Scruggs and Simon? We don’t know that. Certainly not yet. Granted, I too liked what we saw from Scruggs in limited time last season, but it’s an awfully small sample size.

  12. chuck_easton says:

    Duke,

    Was just going to the usual hyperbole that is rampant this time of year.

    I do see a pattern where certain players are either being ‘unable’ to practice or are being hidden from any potential evaluation by other teams.

    I put Harper in the latter. If he doesn’t show well in pre-season games why would it be so hard to get him through waivers and onto the PS?

    I can’t see a team picking up a late draft pick rookie that doesn’t make an impression during games and giving him a spot on their 53 man roster.

  13. True, true. What we see in preseason, especially, is a limited sample of plays against second-rate competition.

    One thing I was reminded of when watching Mayowa pass rush last Thursday is that even a guy with very limited experience and just a couple of specific skills can excel in preseason or in limited game situations. Every year we see guys like this. A lot of it is scheme. A team with a bunch of rookies playing their first preseason game has a hard time dealing with Pete Carroll’s under defense and the Leo has advantages based on scheme and matchups. Could Mayowa perform like that in the regular season? That’s a judgement Carroll and Quinn need to make and who knows how this plays out.

    Alvin Bailey was another guy that really surprised me. I was rooting for him to stick as a backup G, at least on the PS. But he handled duties at LT against the Chargers even though he never played T in college. These guys have a ton of competition from their own teammates, and Coach Cable has his own ideas about who he can plug and play into his blocking schemes. This team could end up being very resilient to injuries with all this depth and good coaching.

  14. Chuck, I’ve watched Harper intently in several practices now, and to me he seems so buried behind other talent on the depth chart (Kearse, Bates, Williams) that I would agree with you he’s looking like a PS guy unless he does something to really stand out in the preseason.

  15. RDPoulsbo says:

    I thought Howard started on the PS, was eventually activated and was in active. In any case, he guy looked decent last year though a little raw.

    Guys on either line don’t seem to get picked off by other teams very often, so Howard probably could go through waivers. I think he is still PS eligible if they go that way. Guys like Lane and Maxwell are another story. They already have a lot of playing time in regular season games. Other teams have undoubtedly scouted them and watched film to know what they’d get. To a lesser extent, the same is true with Kearse, but it’s becoming more likely he makes the team.

  16. RDPoulsbo says:

    I have to say, after seeing a parade of failed projects at Leo, I’ve had some low expectations for Mayowa in spite of all the praise from practice. They guy can play and could become the eventual replacement for Clemons.

    The defensive scheme does allow guys to play to their strengths. To Pete’s credit, he’s been very successful at finding late round picks to successfully play in his defense where they’d probably fail in most others (and probably a big reason why many draft columnists pan Seattle’s picks).

  17. chuck_easton says:

    RD,

    Judging by Maxwell’s play on Thursday and what we have been hearing from camp, my VERY uneducated personal opinion is that he’s got the #5 CB spot as close to locked up as possible. Lane is fighting for a 6th CB spot IF the team keeps one.

    From what I saw on Thursday and from what we’ve been reading from camp Sherman, Browner are the starters. Thurmond and Winfield are like 3 and 3a right now. Those four are as close to being chisled in stone as you can get. Lane, Maxwell, Blackmon and Parker are fighting for those 5th and possibly 6th spots.

    It will come down to what each of the last four can contribute on ST that will determine if they are or are not kept.

    My guess is the team will go with 6 CB’s and 4 Safeties on the final roster. So two very good CB’s are going to be looking for work in a few weeks.

    If I had to go out on a limb I would say that Parker and Blackmon will be the two odd men out when the Turk comes visiting.

  18. chuck–I agree. I dont know about Parker, but Blackmon can play, both at DB and as a returner/ST guy. Someone should pick him up, he belongs in the NFL. Raiders, Jax, Jets…you guys paying attention?!

    Shead is also a likely roster cut, and its a three-way fight for two spots b/w Guy, Johnson, and Maragos.

    Lane is fast and played well at Outside cb last year, but he struggled as the nickel back. He’s not a lock, though I like his potential.

    Simon we havent even seen. He’s gonna get stashed on IR or waived/injured for sure, IMO.

  19. Im rooting hard for this Mayowa kid. I think he can do it. There’s no accounting for heart, for the born football player. That talent cant be quantified, and he has it in spades. Do I expect him to get 11 sacks and win the starting job this year? Uh, no..but he can contribute and learn, and is worth keeping. I hope he makes it.

    Not sure Lotuleilei makes the team. Kyle Knox looked good last preseason, but I havent heard his name much in camp this year. Bradford finally makes the team this year, IMO.

  20. On Tubin; Out of sight, out of mind. Everyone seems to have forgotten just how well he played last year, in limited duty. He also ran for 108 yds vs the Cards. He can pass pro like a stud, is fast as heck, and can catch–and he’s much quicker and more elusive than Lynch.

    Plus, he doesnt get back spasms after 16 carries!

  21. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Watching training camp and Russell Wilson is incredibly accurate on all throws, especially the deep ball. Quinn just doesn’t seem to have the touch and isn’t nearly as accurate. Can’t see him being on the team much longer. TJack has a lot of zip and is finding the open guy.

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Stevos-

    I agree with what you say about preseason being a limited sample of plays against second-rate competition. Especially after just one game.

    Imo,we also have to factor in Training camp practices.
    Carroll pointed out that he was happy to see Williams and Mayowa do well in the first preseason game because they have been practicing well throughout camp.
    And in practice Williams and Mayowa are not always going against second stringers. Williams especially.
    It can be a tricky situation though when players have an incredible camp like Kearse and Williams has.
    I just hope that if they do make the team they don’t revert back to their old ways of dropping the ball when the real games start.

    Also I’m not so sure we can stash a recently drafted player like Harper, Simon ect… on the practice squad. I wouldn’t take that risk if I were the FO. Not with the Jags and the Jets out there.

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with chuck with regards to keeping 6 CB’s and 4 Safeties but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them keep only 3 Safeties if they felt one of the corners could fill in well if needed.

    Imo,I just don’t see the kind of talent behind our starting two safeties that I see behind our Starting corners. Not even compared to our 5,6th and 7th corner.

  24. Georgia–Yeah, trying to get Harper and Simon through waivers would be a calculated risk. Thats why I think Seattle will find a way to IR Simon, or waive/injure him and then once he clears waivers, place him on IR.

    I think to be put on IR without waivers a player has to make the 53 man roster, but Im not sure.

    Seattle could conceivably waiver someone they intend to keep but are likely to make it through waivers–like Mayowa or a lineman, and keep Harper/Simon, then put them on protected IR and resign the cut players…but that too is a big risk.

    Regardless, I think they are stashing Simon. Harper they may have to risk waiving, he’s flat being outplayed by Kearse and Williams, not to mention Walters, and even Perez Ashford is getting it done, catching a TD in camp almost every day…

  25. We have the best talent and depth at the corner position of any Hawk team by far. This will sound ludicrous right now but as we deal with escalating salaries/extensions down the road maybe not as nuts. Would the FO consider dealing Sherman for a haul of picks in a year or two or three? I’m sure he would net something equivalant to at least 2 first rounders. They cannot lose Earl and run this defense. Eventually the numbers game is going to force our hand somewhere and we will lose someone we love.

  26. chuck_easton says:

    Galena,

    Not far fetched at all. I’ve thought the same thing several times but dared not utter the words or type the thought so as not to incur the wrath of the masses.

    I easily see Sherman wanting Revis money. And I honestly think he should get it. But if Revis money doesn’t fit into Seattle’s cap management why not trade him a year early (Just like Revis) get those 2 number ones or whatever it is Tampa gave up for Revis, and put one of the younger guys into the position.

    I’m not for one minute thinking they are equal to Sherman, but the team has to give somewhere. You can’t have the highest paid player at every position and stay cap savy.

    My guess is either they sign him to a long term deal during or right after this season or they start shopping him prior to the 2014 draft.

    That way whatever team trades for him is guaranteed one year and the opportunity to make Sherm the highest paid CB in the NFL which is what it’s likely going to take for a team to keep him long term.

    There now. The mob has two castles to storm with their pitchforks.

  27. The Hannah Storm story with Russell Wilson is awesome. His parents did a good job raising that young man! I hope he always stays that humble.

  28. RDPoulsbo says:

    In an interview with KIRO this morning, Pete said Seattle leads the league in players claimed off waivers over the past 3 years. I have no doubt other teams are especially watching this year for guys the Hawks are trying to sneak onto the PS. You probably had scouts among the people attending TC to watch for guys to go after.

    Given the needs at WR around the league especially due to injuries, Harper and Williams would be tough to try and sneak though waivers.

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    While I tend to agree that Sherman will look for and probably get top CB money, I don’t think they’ll trade him for 2 reasons. 1: They are trying to win the Superbowl now. If they can keep the window open for an extra year, they should do it. 2: Breaking up the Legion of Boom that way is likely to to cause chemistry problems that it just might be better to let him leave of his own choosing and take the compensatory pick. Right now, they look set for the future at CB and feel confident they have the next Sherman ready to step up.

  30. chuck_easton says:

    Poulsbo,

    This is why the team pretty much has to be in a win now mode. The window of opportunity isn’t going to be there for long. Just a quick rundown, in order of when they become a priority, not of their importance:

    1. Earl Thomas – signed through 2014 can renegotiate now (pre 2011 CBA)
    2. Richard Sherman – signed through 2014 can renegotiate at end of 2013
    3. Brandon Browner – signed through 2013 F/A after this season.
    4. KJ Wright – signed through 2014 can renegotiate at end of 2013
    5. Russell Wilson – signed through 2015 can renegotiate after 2014
    6. Bruce Irvin – signed through 2015 can renegotiate after 2014
    7. Bobby Wagner – signed through 2015 can renegotiate after 2014
    8. Russell Okung – signed through 2015 can renegotiate any time (old CBA)

    There are the core players that need to be considered. You can’t pay them all top dollar. Tough decisions are going to have to be made and those decisions start immediately after this year.

  31. Sherman–stay or go–depends on a lot of different variables. Will he take a discount? Is he really worth Revis money? (He’s not the athlete Revis is, but his performance is similar). Will we extend Thomas or Sherm first? Is it one or the other?

    Honestly, I’d rather have Sherman than Harvin, but its not that simple.

    I think Seattle COULD pay both Sherm and Thomas, but like I said, its up in the air right now.

    I think he works something out with Seattle, and gets extended. He takes less money to stay here, because he wants to, and because we’ll give him money up front a year early. Same goes for Thomas.

    Both Thomas and Sherm will insist on more money than was paid Chancellor, and rightly so…but thats a lot of money tied up at one position group…

    And there’s RW and Tate to pay as well…

  32. chrisj122 says:

    Is it just me or did the helmets change?

    They appear to have a flat/matte finish, not a shiny gloss finish that I remember from last season.

  33. chuck–I know you dont agree, but there’s no way in hell KJ Wright is a more important piece to resign than Golden Tate. I think this next offseason will prove that. Wright didnt improve dramatically over his rookie season last year, but perhaps the switch of positions this year will help him. Still, we can find another solid LB to man his spot if need be, he’s replaceable. And I wouldnt call Irvin a key piece–yet. He’s still only a bit player learning the game.

    There’s also the new guys to consider–Bennett and Avril. They were picked up on short-term contracts, but likely want more, and hopefully they will earn it.

  34. chuck_easton says:

    STTBM,

    I didn’t include Tate. He’s an F/A after this season. He may just play his way off the team for salary reasons. He may become too expensive.

    Rice and Harvin are both signed for a longer time. You don’t cut Rice in hopes of signing Tate. If Tate can demand a big payday at the end of the season, he just might be wanting to test the market.

  35. RDPoulsbo says:

    Chuck, you’re also missing Tate becoming a FA at the end of the season. At this point, I think Thomas and Tate should be the priorities over Sherman. Raising his pay won’t be as big a deal compared to CB salaries. It also sounds like Browner should be fairly easily retained as well. Sherman’s my favorite guy on defense, which makes it real hard to say that.

    There are no doubt difficult decisions ahead, which is why I’ve said before that Miller and Rice could become a cap casualties as early as next year.

  36. chuck_easton says:

    WR just like CB is one of the positions that Seattle is blessed with a ridiculous amount of young talent.

    Rice is the #1 WR by position, but he’s making what would be current #2 WR money (7-8 million a season).

    Harvin is technically a #3 WR (slot isn’t always on the field) and he’s getting paid #1 WR money.

    Tate is a legitimate #2 and might be able to make an argument that he could be a #1. So is he going to ‘settle’ for #3 WR money?

    Just like DB, the team can’t tie up too much money in one position. Not when there are so many other players that need to get paid as well.

    I think you have misinterpreted my opinion on Tate STTBM. I like him. But he hasn’t had a better season than Rice in catches or yards yet. Until he does that (and I think this might be the year), he isn’t ready to replace Rice as the team’s #1.

  37. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not sure a 5th round pick who’s yet to play, and a 4th rounder with just one catch in the preseason opener, will be difficult to get through waivers. Perhaps if we’re projecting how well they’ll play in the next three games, then maybe. But right now, no team in the league values their own players as the team who has them in camp.

    It will be very difficult for Simon to make the 53 this season, especially as well as Maxwell played. Harper would seem to be in a dog fight for the 5th spot. Either way, far too early to reasonably say either would be “difficult” to sig to the PS. Long way to go, however.

  38. SEA @ SD OL Items:

    Thankfully, my local channel showed the SD preseason game, even though I turned it on a little late – thinking I heard that it would only be available on NFL Network. The NFL Gamebook had Unger substituting in, but I didn’t see him play – only saw Lem Jeanpierre (61) and Jared Smith (30) playing at center. SD started with the ball and drove for a FG, taking half the 1st qtr. Then Wilson had a 4-snap 1st drive/punt, then SD drove a little longer, and then Wilson had a 9-snap 2nd drive/punt and came out – as did Okung, McQuistan, Sweezy and Breno. Lem stayed in another dozen plays with Quinn before J.Smith took over and finished the game at center. Alvin Bailey (78) replaced Okung, Rishaw Johnson came in for McQuistan, Moffitt came in for Sweezy and Michael Bowie came in for Breno. Quinn played 19 snaps then TJax came in for 26 plays. Moffit went out after 4 snaps with TJax and Rishaw Johnson moved over from LG to RG. Then Ryan Seymour came in and played the final 22 snaps at LG.

    SD’s 3-4D started in nickle and played with with three CBs and no NT a lot, with RE Corey Liuget vs McQuistan and LE Kendal Reyes vs Sweezy. When SD went to their base D, NT Kwame Gaithers played until Lem went out. Okung faced Dwight Freeny and Thomas Keiser; and Breno and Bowie faced Jerrett Johnson and Larry English.

    What was most impressive to me, not having seen any TC practices at the VMAC or anything, was the our Razorback Guard – who was known for the ability to play either right or left guards and did play both in games in college, replaced Okung at LT and did a dang fine job. I’m gonna really try looking closer at him vs DEN this Saturday.

  39. bbnate420 says:

    Chuck, while I agree that you can’t pay everyone, especially with a flat cap, I would posit that Sherm is more valuable than anyone but RW and ET on your list. And it’s really not that close with the rest of them. I don’t include Okung because I don’t see him getting more than a couple million more than his approx. 9.3 mil cap number average the next 3 years. This means that his cap hit won’t change significantly.

    I’m also not sure that Maxwell has the 5th CB spot close to locked up. Maxwell has a history of injuries and Lane has logged significant time in real games. I don’t remember Maxwell ever playing significant time in the reg season. I don’t think it matters though. I think it’s very probable that they keep 6 CBs and I would think that Lane and Maxwell would be 5 and 6.

    There’s next to no chance that they lose Simon in 2013 if he remains on the PUP for the entire preseason. They can then simply place him on the regular season PUP list. It’s highly unlikely that someone claims him if they try to place him on the IR week 7 or after.

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Duke- Long way to go forsure.

    If the seahawks keep Kearse and Williams at 4 and 5 I wouldn’t be surprised if they add one more WR. Bates or Harper would add a physical dimension that this team wouldn’t have without them.

    Also- If we keep only 5 WRs (Rice,Tate,Baldwin,Kearse and Williams), then we will have three WRs on the roster that have injury histories- Baldwin,Rice, and Williams.
    And we would have two WRs on the roster with a history (in real games) with drops- Kearse and William’s.
    And we would have Two WRs that won’t contribute to special teams- Rice and Williams.
    Williams better be special because he has three strikes against him with regards to 1-Injuries. 2- Drops. 3- Won’t play special teams.

    That’s why I think the FO will keep 6 WRs, perhaps Harper or bates.

  41. bbnate420 says:

    I don’t think there’s much point in debating keeping Tate or Rice yet. I would guess that PC/JS will make their decision based on how things play out in 2013, i.e. does Rice stay healthy and how they play. Money obviously could also be a significant factor.

    Chuck, BTW, I’ll keep my pitchfork and torch in the closet. While I don’t necessarily see them trading Sherm after 2013, it wouldn’t completely shock me either.

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Galena, Chuck-
    I have thought the same thing with regards to Sherman. If that situation ever comes up then ( and I hope it never does ) Two first round picks is pretty good for a former 5th rounder.

    I see you two also suffer from premature speculation. Lol.

  43. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, I don’t think you really have to worry about WR Williams contributing much on ST. If he’s the 5th WR, then he will likely be inactive game days unless one of the others is injured. Williams will be there to give you the big receiver that Rice is if Rice is injured. Kearse will be the 4th and ST contributor. I think Harper only makes the team if they keep 6. I think he has at least a decent chance of making it to the PS. If not, they should have someone like Bates on their PS. There is still a lot of preseason left though.

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    nate- for some reason I just get PTSD visualizing Kearse and Williams out there together. It brings back memories of Jackson,Robinson, and Stevens.

    Poor Hasselbeck, he deserved much better.

  45. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, be careful throwing PTSD around. It can get you in trouble. ;-)

    They all have their issues for sure. That’s why they’re fighting for the 4th, 5th, and possibly 6th WR spots. Williams looked very talented versus SD to me.

  46. doubledink says:

    The reason I don’t think Sherman becomes trade bait is that the 4 most important positions (based on salary) are Franchise QB, Elite Pass Rusher, Shutdown CB and Diva WR. We now have 2, arguably 3 of these. I doubt they let one piece walk while they are seeking the 4th.

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Are you referring to Cindy and/or Jigger? Lol.

  48. GeorgiaHawk says:

    doubledink- I would trade Sherman straight up for JJ Watts right now.

    In fact I would trade our whole first sting D-Line plus two #1 draft picks for JJ Watts.

  49. doubledink says:

    Georgia,
    Agreed. I listed them in the order I did for a reason.

  50. doubledink says:

    Agreed on the Sherm comment that is.

  51. BIG shoutout to Mocarob, who posted a fantastic link to an HD Youtube video of the ENTIRE chargers game! Holy crap, that was awesome! Didnt think I’d get to see that one.

    Mocarob–I owe you one! If you want to post an e-mail address, I may hook you up with some old Hawks stuff.

    Some thoughts after watching the game; Winston Guy looks lost. Not gonna make the team. Brooks the DT looked good in the second half, and I saw pressure provided by Bennett, Howard, Hill, and the Leo’s all looked pretty good–smith, Mayowa, and even Morgan were putting on the heat!

    Arceto Clark, though small and not super-fast, looks like he belongs. He’s a football player! He’s very quick, and a better player than his measurables would have you believe. Ashford too. Harper has a ways to go, but looked worth keeping. Too bad we cant hang onto them all.

    Bates has a lot of ground to make up, Georgia, if he wants to make it past the PS.

    I never even noticed Kyle Knox. Did he even play? Looks like Lotuleilei is a coaches fav for a reason. Blackmon usually locked his man down.

    WT3 got beat for a couple short completions good for first downs. Those are as bad as being beaten deep; Winfield is making this team.

    Both Ware and Coleman are fast for FB/HB types. But Im not convinced they can block as well as Mike Rob.

  52. Georgia–Nice link on Mayowa! That kid is a born pass rusher, and I cant wait to see if he can perform in real games as a rookie!

  53. jawpeace says:

    Okung and Thomas should be able to resign these guys pretty close to their original rookie contracts. Adding a few million to ET signing bonus should do it. As both were the old CBA contracts which paid rookies really well.

  54. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    STTBM, do you have that link?

  55. bbnate420 says:

    hawkfan, http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgTolstnkW4YQMl8TxKmwSA

    Subscribe to the page if you’re on YouTube. I would think they may post others in the future.

    Okung won’t get a lot more than the 9.3 mil average he has from 2013-2015. Clady currently has the highest average salary at 10.5 mil.

    ET will get significantly more than the 4.3 mil average he has in 2013-2014. Polamalu currently has the highest average at 9.125 mil.

  56. The one I watched, courtesy of mocarob is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nl5jxsUQKQ

    just search for that in google or at YouTube and you should find it!

  57. hawkfaninoklahoma says:
  58. Quite honestly I can see the Twins doing just about anything on this roster Other than trading RW. Nothing would surprise me.

    IMO – that is the reason that NE has stayed near the top for so long. 1. They have drafted well (as have we) 2. They have made trades of solid players in positions where they have had depth and/or guys that have played well but are getting close to the end of the line. (2-3 solid years left)

    If the Seahawks want to stay on top for more than just a season or two, they will have to start to know when and who to trade – and some of them we just won’t like.

    We are also going to have to start to expect to see top players sign elsewhere as free agents. I fear this for Tate this next off season

  59. And I REALLY hate the “you are posting too fast” when I haven’t made a post in like 12 hours

  60. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, I can neither confirm nor deny, but you could be on to something.

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