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Morning links: Reaction to Harvin’s surgery

Post by Eric Williams on July 31, 2013 at 5:42 am with 47 Comments »
July 31, 2013 5:54 am
Injured Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Percy Harvin (11) walks off the field following NFL football training camp on Saturday, July 27, 2013, in Renton, Wash. Harvin will get a second opinion on his sore hip next week in New York, and Seattle coach Pete Carroll says all options remain for how the injury is handled. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Injured Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Percy Harvin (11) walks off the field following NFL football training camp on Saturday, July 27, 2013, in Renton, Wash. Harvin will get a second opinion on his sore hip next week in New York, and Seattle coach Pete Carroll says all options remain for how the injury is handled. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated writes that losing Percy Harvin for a large chunk of the 2013 season is a significant blow, but not something that the Seattle Seahawks can overcome this season.

Burke points to the fact that Seattle’s offense from 2012 essentially comes back in tact to start the upcoming season, and more of an emphasis will be on Sidney Rice, the team’s leading receiver from last season, to make plays.

“(T)he Seahawks essentially are back to their 2012 starting lineup everywhere else on offense. That’s the same group that averaged a staggering 42.5 points over the Seahawks’ final four regular-season games and came within one defensive stop of advancing to the NFC title game.

In other words, the sky is not quite falling in Seattle.

If anything, the Seahawks are no doubt feeling more frustration than desolation right now. They gambled on Harvin earlier this offseason, and now have to be having at least some second thoughts.

Harvin could erase those doubts by returning late in 2013 and proving to be the game-changing player Seattle thought it had acquired. Still, even if he cannot do that, even if he’s slow to come back and misses all of 2013, this is still a Seahawks team capable of contending in the NFC.”

Here’s my story on Harvin’s announcement that he will have hip surgery.

And here’s my notebook from Tuesday’s practice, including Pete Carroll’s announcement that Sidney Rice is in Switzerland having a preventative “procedure” done for a nagging knee issue.

John McGrath of The News Tribune wonders if Percy Harvin’s career in Seattle will travel down a similar path as another oft-injured player for the Mariners, Franklin Gutierrez.

ESPN’s Mike Sando breaks down the implications of Harvin’s injury for the Seahawks, along with penciling out a possible time table for his return.

More Sando: An in-depth break down of Seattle’s main issues from training camp

ESPN’s Josina Anderson talks with Golden Tate, who says the Seahawks will be fine without Harvin for an extended period of time. “As a professional football player injuries are part of the game. So when a team signs a guy they know they’re taking a risk that could happen. Obviously we would be more dangerous with Percy (Harvin), but with or without him I still feel like we have enough playmakers to succeed this year.”

Mike Garafolo of Fox Sports provides some interesting tidbits on the Harvin situation.

Charley Casserly and Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network talk about the impact of Harvin’s loss in this video link.

Brock Huard and Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle talk with Max Unger and Russell Okung in this audio link. The conversation includes an interesting story about Russell Wilson telling the offensive line that he thought they were holding too much during the Washington playoff game.

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports that Early Doucet has a workout scheduled for the Seahawks. Lavaiser Tuinei also worked out for Miami this week.

Clare Farnsworth of breaks down Tuesday’s practice, the first one in full pads for Seattle.

Morning links
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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Alright, Eric’s up early.

    After coming down from my Delusions of Grandeur ( with regards to Harvin) I see a football team that was averaging 40 + points a game at the end of last year.

  2. chuck_easton says:

    Not going to waste any more time on a guy who was never here and may or may not be here to produce and help the team win this year. Next man up.

    Best line I’ve heard which is now my final comment on the subject.

    “I tried to take my Harvin #11 jersey back to the store for a refund but it broke when I took it off the hanger”

    Read more here:

  3. SaigonSun says:

    Georgia sobered up from O.D.- ing on Steel Reserve. Well, it’s almost 10 am, back to Steel Reserve. Cheers

  4. SaigonSun says:

    Chuck-Easton, can we amnesty Harvin? Is there such thing as contract annulment?

  5. SaigonSun says:

    Luv yer Georgia. Is that southern enough for ya?

  6. Huge disappointment. Huge any way you slice it. The most prized addition to the team getting hurt in a non-contact situation? Basically that is the worse possible way you could start your tenure in Seattle. He’ll have to come back and make a spectacular splash for this trade to be justified. A 74 yard TD on a bubble screen in his first play back might be the only way to make people forget how sour things started for him.

    For now I feel like it’s time for forget Harvin is even on this team. You can’t be disappointed if you have no expectations.

  7. SaigonSun says:

    EWalters, can we buy Harvin voodoo doll? Something that will make his fingers hurt every time he counts the money he swindled from the Seahawks!?

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I wonder if the FO will consider having injury clauses in their future contracts.

  9. Is it me or do the Hawks just seem to have bad luck with aquiring wideouts. Like I said earlier, I think the HAwks will be fine, I just hope Miller doesn’t have a nagging foot problem all season. I think he might be the key to this offense, especially on 3rd downs, well him and Baldwin. Heard A Christine Michael interview on the radio and he sounded like he’s turned it aroun attitude wise since his college days and sounded very respectful and humble to be at camp. Wouldn’t mind seeing him breakout a couple of runs here and their to spell Marshawn. Go Hawks.

  10. Golden_Gate_Nate says:

    LOL! Seachickens get fleeced by Minnesota. . . again! Enjoy being the third best team in the NFC West forever!

  11. Third best team huh? Stay on your san fran blogs dbag

  12. CDHawkFan says:

    Enjoy Locette and Martin sloppy seconds…ex-Seahawks, now Whiner starters.

  13. trout_hound says:

    This was an informative read on the Harvin injury:

    I’d rather have the guy at 100% right when we need him the most, the playoffs. Injuries happen. Next man up.

  14. chuck_easton says:

    who? Never heard of him? Does he play for this team?

  15. yankinta says:

    I don’t think many people will agree but I STILL LIKE this move made by our FO. I think it was time to be aggressive and go after Percy Harvin. In retrospect, I would do the same deal again.

    I don’t mind paying the money (Paul Allen’s $$) and giving up the 2013 draft picks. I just wish that the 3rd round 2014 pick we gave up was a conditional pick based on how healthy he is in 2013. Especially considering his history of injuries…..

    I think it will be a Hugely successful trade if we get him back healthy and he does not miss anymore time in the next 5 years…

  16. yankinta says:

    This will be the perfect Opp for RW to shine and separate himself from other young QBs. Show the world he doesn’t need PH to put up 30+ points a game…

  17. Golden_Gate_Nate says:

    I thought it would be refreshing for you guys to have someone who has experienced championships contribute to your blog.

    I know you folks up there in the Northwest don’t understand the game of football very well, but plenty of players who don’t have success in one system move on and play well in others. Your very own Mike Rob is an example of a 49er cast-off finding success elsewhere. Once Lockette and Martin have the real Colin Kaepernick throwing to them (instead of your own poor man’s version), they will blossom.

  18. chuck_easton says:


    He doesn’t exist.

    I’m hearing the team might make a late season ‘trade’ for a really good WR that might come in at just the right time to help the playoff run.

    Until then we go with the guys we already have and who have been here all along. Let’s not waste time talking about a player (no matter how explosive and how much a game changer he might be) who hasn’t been here in the past, isn’t here now, and may or may not be here this season.

    When the FO is able to pull off this blockbuster trade and the player is ready and willing to go full speed we can talk about him.

    In other words I am choosing to replace your reality with my alternate reality.

    My alternate reality will keep me from being visited by those very nice men in the white lab jackets that want to show me a great new loooong sleeved jacket. This jacket has buckles, and tie downs, and for some strange reason fastons in the back. I really don’t know this modern fashion.

  19. chuck_easton says:

    Ah, those 5 championship rings 9r fans are always going on and on about.

    I remember them. The 1980’s was such a great decade. Neon clothes, great dance music (Paula Abdul and Madonna were my faves), I still had all my hair…

    But tell me Mr. Gate. What exactly have the 9rs achieved in THIS century that is any better than what the Seahawks have?

    Were you even around for those 9r championships or did you hear about them from your grandpa during story telling time? Was it before or after the one about having to walk to school 5 miles, in the snow, up hill, both ways?

  20. Golden_Gate_Nate says:

    Ah yes, the typical comeback. Well done, Chuck, very original. Unfortunately, your team sill wears neon, decades after it went out of style.

    I guess I would be bitter too if the only team in any sport that had ever won a championship in my city bolted for Oklahoma.

  21. Golden_Gate_Nate says:

    Oops, I forgot the Storm. You do have better women’s basketball than us. 1 point to Seattle.

  22. yankinta says:

    Golden_Gate_Nate, 49ers lost 42-6 to the Hawks last time we played, now that was embarrassing. I got bored by half time and fell asleep on the couch.

  23. Ewalters7354 says:

    SaigonSun-I’ll work on making that happen.Man I’m pissed!

  24. CDHawkFan says:

    We know that 42 points beats 13, and a QBR of 98 (RW) is better than 28 (CK). I’ll take recent history over distance history when it come to football. Keep reading or look back in the blog archive, you won’t find many of us that are worried about your 5 time champs.

    Good luck getting Martin and/or Locette to the Pro Bowl.

  25. chrisj122 says:

    Golden Shower Nate – What exactly is your championship experience?

    I’m willing to guess that your championship experience is equal to your dating a Victoria Secret Model experience.
    Meaning you dream, fantasize and even prayed for it but in the end you just wake up feeling all wet, sticky and bit dirty.

    Say what you will about our team colors but at least our QB is willing to wear them proudly.

  26. Golden_Gate_Nate says:

    yankinta, congratulations on the regular season win!

  27. Southendzone says:

    Was that the ‘real’ Colin Kapernick in the 42-6 loss last year?

    If so, I love this guy, a guy who can’t count to 40 because he consistently let the play clock hit zero. Oh yeah, that’s the guy who did the SAME thing in the superbowl, essentially losing the game for the 49ers when they didn’t get off that run play that looked like it would have been an easy TD. Then wilting under the pressure and throwing 2 garbage passes where the only possible hope for success would have been a bail-out PI call.

    I read that this offseason Harbaugh has been tutoring him though and he’s solid up to 27 and making progress. Good luck little guy, you can do it!

  28. yankinta says:

    CDHawkFan, No, it was 42-6. I am not count the last GARBAGE TIME Touchdown thrown by KC against our 3rd and 4th stringers…… C’mon, I think 49ers would be too embarrassed to count that too.

  29. CDHawkFan says:

    Yanker, I am a bit confused so I guess I will have to watch it again tonight. Also going to be on the lookout for any Whiners on the field that are SB Champs…I might be looking for a long time.

  30. Golden_Gate_Nate says:

    I understand, guys; if all I could hang my hat on were a few big wins during the regular season, I would too.

    I really do feel badly for you, and hope someday you’ll move to a city that supports a winner. Going to a championship celebration and witnessing the parade is an exuberant joy you are really missing out on.

    In the meantime, enjoy the occasional win against a superior opponent, and keep watching the 49ers play in the Super Bowl from the comfort of your couches.

  31. yankinta says:

    Golden_Gate_Nate, I will bet you 49 bucks that I will fall asleep by half time again when we meet on Sept 15th, it will be another embarrassing loss for you like 42-6,,….. but I doubt you’d show up the next day to pay me….

  32. Dukeshire says:

    Come on fellas. Feeding a troll? Stop.

  33. yankinta says:

    lol, yeah, that was fun for a moment but now I’m bored with that 49ers fan… what was I saying?? oh, right..

    I don’t think many people will agree but I STILL LIKE this move made by our FO. I think it was time to be aggressive and go after Percy Harvin. In retrospect, I would do the same deal again.

    I don’t mind paying the money (Paul Allen’s $$) and giving up the 2013 draft picks. I just wish that the 3rd round 2014 pick we gave up was a conditional pick based on how healthy he is in 2013. Especially considering his history of injuries…..

    I think it will be a Hugely successful trade if we get him back healthy and he does not miss anymore time in the next 5 years…

  34. doubledink says:

    “We all we got. We all we need.”

  35. Most of the so called “experts” say that PH could return in December. Based on PH’s past behavior with injuries, and I’ll admit I’m a novice on the subject at best, I wonder if he is a guy willing to push hard to get back on the field as soon as possible. For some reason I see visions of the Deion Branch trade mixed with Shaun Alexander’s performance after he got paid moving forward. I hope I’m wrong.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Duke, My girlfriend walked up to my screen a couple minutes ago and saw your comment about Stop feeding the troll.
    She asked me ” what does that mean?”
    I started to scroll up to show her what a troll was when she said “Who is Golden_Shower_Nate?”
    I said “Where the hell did you see that?”
    She said “I swear I saw it somewhere when you were scrolling up”

    I checked every comment above yours and didn’t see anything like that, but I got a good laugh out of it.

    BTW- Funny that when the troll first posted I wanted to respond however I held back and decided to flag it instead. First time I ever flagged anyone.
    Was I right or wrong in doing that?

  37. yankinta says:

    Pick_6, I think most people are jumping to conclusion, like you, because of our bad recent memories…. I guess I trust our FO a lot more than and I would think this FO would not have made those mistakes made by Mike Holmgren and his FO….

    You got to remember that PH was the only Track Star in the state of VA that set four state track records,, meaning he knows his body much better than anyone else…. if he thinks he won’t be as effective, I would much rather he get the surgery now than later….

  38. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – lol

  39. raymaines says:

    It’s not the money, it’s the cap space.

  40. yankinta says:

    raymaines, his Cap Hit for 2013 is only $4.9 Millions. If we get him back by mid Oct, then I’m happy with that as well.

    It’s true we could use him for the game against Texans but if RW can beat Bears D as a rookie, (Luck was 23-45, 309 yards, 1TD, 3 Ints against Bears D),, I’m sure RW will find a way to beat the Texans,, even if it is 11 AM kickoff time…

  41. trout_hound says:

    Yakinta – I’m with you on that last touchdown by the 9ers, but its because it wasn’t even a catch. The refs didn’t bother reviewing it because the game was out of hand and over.

  42. bbnate420 says:

    “So why do surgery now? It’s a fair question, given that there were early suggestions that Harvin could try to play through the injury. While it might be admirable for him to attempt to play in the presence of a known injury, it might not be in his or the Seahawks’ best interest. For starters, it’s possible that he could sustain additional damage, and if the cartilage surface is involved, it could have long-term implications for joint health (think: arthritis). Perhaps more worrisome is the potential for increasing stress across other joints, such as the knee or in the spine. There is even some evidence to suggest an increase in ACL injuries when limitations in the hip are present.

    If an athlete is compromised at the hip, he can develop compensations elsewhere to help protect the hip, which can lead to other injuries. Then there’s the bottom line of performance. If Harvin experiences pain in his hip or has motion restrictions, it can result in the shutdown of some muscle function around the hip, which will ultimately decrease his power to drive when running and his agility.”

    Seems that Stefania agrees with me. Thanks for the link, trout.

    The Sando piece was also very good. I didn’t realized that he actually has 5 weeks from the start of week 7 to start practicing and that they can wait to activate him until the week 15 game. There’s no reason not to PUP him rather than putting him on the modified IR.

  43. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, you were not wrong to flag him. I’ve flagged everyone of his comments. There’s a big difference between letting Hawks fans say what they want to in here and allowing Whiners trolls. They are the only ones I will ever flag. And chrisj122 called him Golden Shower Nate.

    BTW, this isn’t my 6th handle if anyone thinks it is.

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Whiner troll, do you even remember the last Whiners SB? I would have to think that Alzheimer’s or dementia has surely set in by now if you were alive for it. I would bet you look like an 80 year old scrot.

    BTW, enjoy it while you can. You’ll be banned soon.

  45. Golden Gate Nate – I can’t afford the $255/nosebleed seast ticket price for that game so I fully expect the 9ers to beat SEA at the Clink in week 2, especially if Antoine Winfield has to cover Vernon Davis playing slot receiver. Also, SEA will be playing without their best pass rushers Chris Clemons and Bruce Irvin, so even if the 9ers didn’t have the best pass-blocking OL in the league we’re not likely to have as good a pass-rush as we did last postseason vs ATL, which wasn’t good. SEA’s run defense performance fell off badly in the 2nd half of last season, so if SF’s defense can keep SEA’s offense (and STs – sans L.Washington and without P.Harvin) from scoring big early, that game has the makings of a 3 hour brutal slugfest, with Gore, Hunter and James vs Lynch, Turbin and Michael being the show-pieces. Still want SEA to win, rooting from my sofa, but SEA’s never had 2 straight seasons going 8-0 at home, and your’s appears the toughest team we are facing at home, so I won’t allow myself to be too surprised if SF should win. As to being 3rd, yes that is also possible with STL’s quick rise in performance. At least SEA split with them last season.

  46. Eric,

    You wrote:
    “a significant blow, but not something that the Seattle Seahawks can overcome this season”

    I’m hoping you meant “a significant blow, but not something that the Seattle Seahawks can’t overcome this season”

    But who knows. This is a dice roll even in the best of seasons.

    Go Hawks!!!

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