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Morning links: Training camp is here!

Post by Eric Williams on July 25, 2013 at 7:06 am with 78 Comments »
July 25, 2013 7:07 am
Seattle Seahawks field maintenance worker Duc Dinh sprays new paint on the football field at Seahawks' VMAC facility  on Wednesday, July 24, 2013. Dinh was  preparing the field for tomorrow's opening of Seahawks training camp.          Photo by Lui Kit Wong/Staff photographer
Seattle Seahawks field maintenance worker Duc Dinh sprays new paint on the football field at Seahawks’ VMAC facility on Wednesday, July 24, 2013. Dinh was preparing the field for tomorrow’s opening of Seahawks training camp. Photo by Lui Kit Wong/Staff photographer

Good morning. Yes, we’re finally here, with training camp beginning this morning at the VMAC for the Seattle Seahawks. My story today deals with the immense expectations facing this team, as Seattle heads into the 2013 season as one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

But guiding Seattle through the hype is an experienced hand in Pete Carroll. As head coach at USC for a decade, Carroll won seven Pac-12 titles and two national championships, so he understands how to keep a team focused when the spotlight is on his players.

“This is an exciting young football team, and these guys are at a point where they have worked really hard to grow together and to establish the kind of makeup on the team that gives you a chance to do good things,” Carroll said during the team’s offseason program in May. “And coming off of last year, that is all a part of what’s going on.

“But with that also comes the responsibility to handle it well. Over the years I’ve seen what it takes to be consistently on top and to stay on top and to keep winning, and to endure all that goes along with that. It takes a giant commitment. Guys have to really be in it for the right reasons and to do things right.”

Bill Branwell of Grantland completes his ranking of the Top 50 most valuable assets in the league, which includes Richard Sherman (No. 24), Earl Thomas (No. 23) and Russell Wilson (No. 2). A agree with what Branwell has to say about Thomas and Sherman here: “Earl Thomas moves like Richard Sherman talks, and I’m complimenting each of them in saying so. Thomas is already the best safety in football and he’s just 24 years old, so if he stays healthy, we could very well be looking at a guy who is a lock for the Hall of Fame by 30. Sherman’s upside isn’t quite as high, and he’s not quite as good as his world-class shit-talking might suggest (I remember that Falcons game, too), but he’s a very good cornerback who fills in admirably in run support and who will have a cap hit of $600,000 this year and less than $700,000 next year. Both benefit from the presence of Pete Carroll, who is regarded as a wizard with defensive backs.

“If Thomas plays at this same level for four more seasons, he’ll be Patrick Willis, who is as sure a bet for the Hall of Fame at 28 as anyone has been besides Tom Brady.”


Speaking of Sherman, he graces the cover of this week’s Sports Illustrated, and is profiled by Lee Jenkins. Sherman tells Jenkins his constant jawing was all part of his plan to bring more attention to his team. “It’s part of a greater scheme to get some eyes, to grow the market, to grow Seattle,” he says. “Now people are paying attention, and they’ll probably be disappointed this year because I will be a lot more reserved.”

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle offers five questions as the Seahawks begin training camp.

Clare Farnsworth of offers an inside look at what happened at the facility on Wednesday as players checked in for physicals.

Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times also previews the start of camp for Seattle.

The Jaguars claimed recently released Seattle safety Ray Polk off of waivers.

Joe Fortenbaugh of the National Football Post takes a look at what happens to running backs the year after they have 300+ carries in a season. Marshawn Lynch was one of five running backs to go over 300 carries in 2012 with 315.

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated has Seattle at No. 3 in his NFL preseason power rankings.

Rich Cimini of ESPN New York reports that former Seattle receiver Braylon Edwards has signed with the Jets again.

ESPN’s KC Joyner believes that Sidney Rice is an underrated WR prospect for fantasy leagues. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this. Joyner: “Last year, Rice obliterated rated cornerbacks. His 11.7 YPA versus that matchup caliber ranked second among qualifying wide receivers. Even more amazing is Rice’s composite 11.1 YPA against red- and yellow-rated cornerbacks. Only one wide receiver posted a higher YPA mark in that category on at least 30 targets (Cecil Shorts). This trait already puts defensive teams at a huge disadvantage when facing Rice, and they will be even harder pressed to deal with him now that the Seahawks have added Percy Harvin to their receiving corps. If Seattle starts to pass the ball a bit more often this year, Rice could be a WR3 candidate who posts WR2 (and maybe even WR1) fantasy point totals.”

Actress Olivia Munn discusses her love of the Cowboys. (Yes, there’s a picture)

Defensive end Austen Lane, now with Kansas City, describes what it was like to cut by Jacksonville earlier this season.

Morning links
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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Camp: that feels good to say. I can’t wait for the practice report this afternoon so I can begin to understand how they intend on using DEs and Irvin on defense. Of all the things I’m looking forward to, I’m the most interested in that.

    Very high praise for Thomas, and I happen to agree.

  2. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    oh thank God football is back.

    read some comments by 9ers fans that cracked me up. most don’t think that

    they have a problem at receiver. one was as bold to say seattle would

    finish dead last with the cards second in division.

    i am real curious to see what Quinn brings to the team. i believe the

    team will be much better on 3rd and long just based on winfield being

    added and a better pass rush.

    exciting time to be a Hawk fan

  3. SignalCaller03 says:

    Carroll was successful as a front runner at USC, but lets chill out with all the media hype. I don’t worry about Wilson, its all the others I worry about. Keep it classy, Seattle.

  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    world-class shit-talking. Lol.

  5. bbnate420 says:

    Last 2 drives versus the Nears last year.

    I think the Whiners certainly have problems at receiver if Jenkins doesn’t step up BIG TIME. He did jack and squat his rookie year. I don’t see them trying Davis at WR if they were set there.

    I actually think the Tardinals could be fairly good this year. They are reportedly close to signing Eric Winston to play RT. I don’t like that. They also have an offer on the table to John Abraham. The NFC West should be really tough.

    Good to see that article by Joyner with regards to Sid Rice. Seems to back up what some here believe. Not that it will likely change any opinions. Pay attention, STTBM. ;-)

  6. bbnate420 says:

    *Bears, not sure who the Nears are?

  7. Pretty good article by Branwell. And when I think of the comparisons of Sherman to Revis, I too think about that Falcons game. I’ve been a huge Sherman supporter on this board since his first start for the Seahawks against the Bengals when he shut down all-stud WR AJ Green and made it look effortless.

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I see it didn’t take Bradley long to claim Polk.
    I have a feeling the Jags will be getting more players that we release down the road.

  9. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    agreed georgia, i would expect the jets to clean up anything the jags miss. the only bad part about having this much depth is some of the guys we like won’t make the team. makes you wonder who of the guys that you think are locks may not be?

  10. yankinta says:

    Let the TRUE Camp competitions begin (only in Seattle),, I’m rooting for Luke Willson, our Future FB, our 5th CB (Simon),, to secure their roster spots/positions/depth charts before Aug 30th….

  11. SignalCaller03 says:

    Jets took Edwards as a flyer for camp reps. Probably won’t make the team, but sounds a lot like the Hawks. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. The hawks are going to be mimicked throughout the NFL, and they haven’t even won a superbowl……. YET!

  12. yankinta says:

    Also cheering for our 6th CB Maxwell to play well enough to entice the Jags or Jets to trade for him for a 4th or 5th round pick….

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That would be nice yankinta to get picks for some of the players we are about to lose.

  14. jawpeace says:

    Hmmm somehow I am not buying Richard Sherman saying he is going to be more reserved. That would be like Paris Hilton not buying a Gouchie bag when shopping.

  15. raymaines says:

    Olivia Munn: Pretty face, empty head. Go ‘Hawks

  16. chrisj122 says:

    Yes, camp is finally here!!!

    I have been here regularly over the off season but haven’t bothered posting much (nothing to really talk about) but with football season soon to be in full swing everyone will probably get sick of me real quick. Lol…..

  17. chrisj122 says:

    Olivia Munn’s best asset is not her face.

  18. chuck_easton says:


    What is your reasoning for anointing Simon the #5 and Maxwell the #6CBs?

    I’ll assume you have Shermon, Browner, Thurmond, and Winfield as 1-4.

    Why do you think Simon is going to beat out established Vets like Lane, Blackmon, Parker, Snead?

    My personal opinion is Simon ends up on the PS. He’s not a high draft choice so he doesn’t have that going for him.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    Practice!! Streaming at work. Hell yeah. Avril at weakside DE and Williams at 3-tech with the ones, to start.

  20. WiscCory says:

    Anyone know if Carp and Clemons passed their physicals?

  21. doubledink says:

    “Legion of Boom” mats with name and number in front of their locker?
    Really nice touch. Cementing the identity.

  22. To answer Xcman’s question from yesterday: Blackmon is the only established player I’ve heard mention of returning punts. That’s about the only way I see him making the team though; if Tate doesn’t look up to the task or if he shines on special teams. So much talent stacked up like someone lost count on their order of cords of wood and it filled up their backyard. Well, at least the fire will be stoked for years to come.

  23. Had to go with a Northwest analogy, and yes I’ve had to stack wood for days a couple different times. Bucked hay in Eastern Washington, but this one works better :)

  24. Eric – can you give us a summary of what you guys are expecting to do coverage-wise? When do you have media access and so on versus just getting to watch practice?

    Finally, it’s here—bummed I’m not going to be in SEA this summer to make the trek to camp for the afternoon, but the coverage here is the next best thing.

  25. yankinta says:

    chuck_easton,, oops,, I was multi-tasking so I miscounted… lol, I meant Simon as our 6th CB. Lane would be our 5th. I rather keep Simon because I’m thinking we could get a late round pick for Maxwell, if he plays well in the preseason.

  26. bbnate420 says:

    I’d be shocked if anyone gave up anything for Maxwell. Maybe the Jags would give a 7th? This sounds more like fan optimism than reality.

  27. bbnate420 says:

    McQ and Sweezy were running with the 1’s at guard during the time I was watching. Not sure if Carp practiced at all and if Moffitt ran with the 1’s at all? Michael looks like a strong runner. Jesse Williams is one big SOB.

  28. Thanks for mentioning that, bbnate. I had to miss camp today, but I’ll be there tomorrow.

    I would expect McQuistan to stay with the ones at LG until Carpenter has the brace off his knee and can go 100%. Then, I would think McQ will go to second team LG as insurance in case Carpenter goes down again. i expect that fans will assume that means McQuistan is not good enough to start, but I really think its just a matter of keeping depth at that position until Carpenter proves himself fully rehabbed.

    If/When Cable is confident that Carpenter is 100% and will be the opening game starter, I’d like to see McQuistan move to RT with the second team and get ready to challenge Giacomini. That would leave either Sweezy or Moffitt as the backup G , and give McQuistan a chance to compete for a starting job, which is where he belongs.

  29. yankinta says:

    Ummm dude,, Jags and Jets certainly would trade for him!! Maxwell outplayed Richard Sherman in the training camp/preseason in their Rookie year. He was higher on the depth charth until he got hurt. He’s still young and cheap with good size. Now Jags FO and Jets FO know this,, so if he plays well in the preseason, it’s highly possible that he will have trade value.

  30. chuck_easton says:

    I have to agree with bbnate, unfortunately. Not unfortunate that I Agree with bbnate unfortunate that Seattle is going to have to let some very talented players go with little likelihood of compensation.

    Teams out there know that Seattle can’t keep all of these quality CBs. Just wait until they are released and pick them up for free.

    And the teams that will be the most interested such as the Jags are high up on the waiver wire pecking order. No need to worry about most other teams being able to beat them out.

    Now if a team far down on the waiver claim list is interested then the Seahawks might be able to work out a trade for a draft pick. But I agree with bbnate that the more realistic scenario is teams are just waiting for the inevitable cut days coming in late August and early September.

  31. bbnate420 says:

    Are you going to give us a camp report tomorrow, Stevos? It’d be appreciated.

    I’m not sure what they do with McQ if he doesn’t start at LG. Maybe just a versatile backup. I would think he is the 3rd OT right now. They could easily start him at RG if they think he’s the best option there. Not sure if I see him starting at RT though I think he could do the job.

  32. yankinta says:

    chuck_easton, I understanding your thinking but,, think this thru,, If Maxwell, plays well in the Preseason, there’s no way we try to slip him thru waiver,, onto our PS. Therefore, if Jags and Jets want him,, then they’d have to give up something for him….. then we’d keep Simon as our 6th CB.,,

  33. chuck_easton says:

    Jags are #2 in waiver claim order behind only the Chiefs.

    I don’t know the Chiefs current CB situation but its very likely Bradley in Jacksoneville knows he is going to get first pick of any and all Seattle cast offs. And who knows the Seattle CBs better than their former DC?

  34. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Just saw the PUP list.
    Hope Percy isn’t a serious issue. Also hope Zach’s foot is improving.
    I know this list will change as training camp goes on and let’s hope all these guys get off it before the season.

    Physically Unable to Perform List
    DE Chris Clemons (knee)
    WR Percy Harvin (hip)
    TE Zach Miller (foot)
    DE Greg Scruggs (knee)
    CB Tharold Simon (foot)
    RB Robert Turbin (foot)

  35. bbnate420 says:

    Yanker, they “certainly” would trade for him? Remember how your last trade guarantee went? I don’t think he will be traded for the reasons that Chuck just listed. Bradley knows some talented DBs are going to get cut in Seattle and he has a good chance of claiming them. Maxwell being ahead of Sherm after TC of their rookie year means little to nothing in trading him.

  36. chuck_easton says:


    Maxwell doesn’t have enough time in the NFL to go straight to FA. Any player cut with less than several years (six i think) that is cut must pass through the 24 hour waiver wire. It’s not just the players going to the PS.

  37. rramstad says:

    Whenever we talk PEDs, it makes me think of this…

  38. Some serious surprises on the PUP list….. Miller, Harvin and Turbin.

    I am fine with Clemons and Simon being on the list. We need Clem healthy at the and of the season, not now. With Simon on PUP, we can save one of our CB’s until Thurmonds inevitable injury.

  39. bbnate420 says:

    I highly doubt that Maxwell is even PS eligible. I think he’s fighting Simon for the last CB spot unless there are injuries above them on the depth chart. It does help him that Simon was out at least most of the off-season and is starting TC on the PUP list.

    Glad to see no Carp on that PUP list.

  40. chuck_easton says:

    Sorry, as of 2008the rule is any player that has at least four full years of NFL experience is automatically a FA without having to be exposed to waivers.

    But still, Maxwell only has three years so he would definitely have to go through waivers if cut.

  41. bbnate420 says:

    Nice clip, rramstad. I remember watching that as a kid.

    Korey Toomer is on the non-football injury list for a knee. That sucks. Hope it’s minor.

  42. SandpointHawk says:

    Carp and Moffitt were with the second line.

  43. chuck_easton says:

    The one downside to Seattle being one of the youngest teams in the NFL.

    Of all the talented CBs on the roster only Blackmond ( starting his 7th year) and Winfield (15th year) don’t have to be exposed to waivers.

    And bbnate is correct again. Maxwell has played more than the minimum number of games to be considered no longer PS eligible.

    My bet is still that Simon’s injured foot suddenly doesn’t get ‘better’ thus allowing him to be IRed if he doesn’t look like he has a shot at that 6th CB spot.

  44. MattandCindy says:

    Percy Harvin is getting a second opinion on his hip. That’s a scary area to screw around with.

  45. hawkfan777 says:


    Caps were on purpose in case you were wondering.

  46. hawkfan777 says:

    Thank you SandpointHawk for bringing me down to earth so quickly.

  47. SandpointHawk says:

    Please, Don’t Kill the Messenger…

  48. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’m sure coach Pete will discuss it in the press conference which starts in about 10 min. Of course he’ll say it’s not a big deal and they are taking another look at it. Let’s hope it’s fixable and he doesn’t miss time. However, if he does, this team was 30 seconds away from the NFC Title game last year and scored more points than any other the last six weeks of the season and will be fine.

  49. chuck_easton says:

    As we are now finally entering actual real football my lawyer geek mode kicks in and I am a nut for the rules.

    So since we now get to have the usual PUP list, IR, and PS list misunderstandings I’ll start with the PS eligibility rules.

    To be eligible for a teams PS a player cannot have appeared in nine games in any season. Cannot have been on the team’s active roster for a full season, and cannot have been a member of the team PS, active, IR or any other player capacity for two years.

    Maxwell, Thurmond, Blackmond, Lane, Browner, and almost all of Seattle CBs are not eligible.

    In fact only Shead and Simon would be eligible for PS from all the current CBs

  50. yankinta says:

    chuck_easton and bbnate, you don’t get my point. My point is… IF and only IF Maxwell play well in the Preseason, then Seahawks would obviously keep him on the Roster…. then Jets or Jags, for example, if they’re interested in Maxwell, then they’d have to trade for him…. so forget about the wavier system,,, if he does well in the next 36 days….

    This is not a guaranteed. I hope you understand what “IF” means… :)

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  52. Thanks Chuck, good info.

  53. chuck_easton says:

    The Curse of Seattle giving up a 1st rounder for another team’s WR strikes again.

    Percy got his big payday, now we get to hope and pray he plays at least half the season.

    It was too good to be true.

  54. yankinta says:

    What the heck?? what happened?? Zach Miller too???

  55. chuck_easton says:

    I’m having Deon Branch flashbacks. Give up the #1, sign the guy to a big contract, never see him play enough to earn it.

    I hope I’m just panicking.

  56. yankinta says:

    yeah, you are just panicking…. this doesn’t mean anything…. they can come off of the PUP anytime!!! you scared me too, for no reason!!

  57. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Keep the faith all. We don’t have much info yet and without that, there is no reason to jump to conclusions. Could be a minor deal and they get it taken care of right away. This team killed a lot of old curses last season and the slate is clean. (like winning a road playoff game)

  58. rramstad says:

    OK, so the news on Harvin might suck, but it’s probably not nearly as bad as some would indicate.

    “The surgery itself is an outpatient procedure and is typically done through two incisions about the size of a dime.”

    “Recovery time is approximately three to four months, and it ultimately is determined by how much work needs to be done and how much healing needs to occur before the patient can be allowed to return to activities.”

    Note that this is for a torn labrum — of presumably medium severity. The link discusses some non surgical options. One would think that someone young, with a minor tear, and all the resources of an NFL team, would recover more quickly… it certainly could mean that if he had surgery that he would miss some time, but it’s not a season ender, by any means.

  59. doubledink says:

    “Are you kidding me?!? This is a perfect time to panic!!!”

    Woody to Buzz – Toy Story

  60. doubledink says:
    Ok, so my quote isn’t verbatim but close… lol

  61. We knew that Zach Miller had a twice-injued plantar fasciia. That’s not news.

    Percy Harvin – torn labrum? That is news. Could be a Big problem.

    But let’s keep this in perspective – being placed on the PUP list in training camp means nothing. Any player on the PUP list now can be removed from it at any time before the cuts to 53.

  62. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I hope it’s not a lingering thing.

  63. Dukeshire says:

    So to understand, Harvin’s labral tear is in his hip?

  64. Dukeshire says:

    (To finish) Seattle’s injury history has me thinking shoulder when I read labrum. In any case, I certainly hope if the injury was severe enough to require surgery, that would have been completed long before now. (Of course it could be something new which would be really awful.) A lot of questions we’ll hopefully get clarification to from Eric this afternoon.

  65. sluggo42 says:


    But, if not serious he can play on it, and have surgery at end I season

    I guess I wonder how long he has had it and why didn’t he get it fixed 4 months ago?


  66. yankinta says:

    Yeah, they’ll get second opinion since the first doctor thinks there’s a small tear. Which means surgery, which means, he’ll miss first 6 games of the season…… We’ll see what RW is made of,,, without PV in the line up, if it comes to that…. I’m still not panicking!! I’d panick, Only if RW were to go down….

  67. chuck – I would hate to talk too much about a “curse”. though I think you’re just joking. Of course, you’re joking about the mistakes made by a past front office… not this one.

    The Vikings cut Sidney Rice loose, he came here, needed two shoulder surgeries, and is as good as ever. Now the Vikings cut Harvin loose, we got him, he might need a minor surgery too. Big Picture – Vikings are losing great players and we are gaining great players.

    Today’s news is a good reminder that the NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint. Few players are ever going to be 100% healthy for 16 games. Its why our deep roster this year is such a blessing. Its a reason why – with our without Harvin – we are still on our way to becoming better than the Niners.

  68. Duke – Yes, hip labrum. Second opinion coming next week.

  69. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Wilson made plenty of plays last season without Percy and still has Rice, Tate, Baldwin, and Lynch. I don’t think the team or players will worry much about this, yet.
    As fans of course we want to have all the toys on the field and have envisioned video game type of play with Wilson and Percy together.
    As coach Pete said in the press conference, it’s waaaay to soon to guess. The team will be smart with all it’s players and prepare for a long season. The good news is that today was only the first day of camp.

  70. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Agree MoSeahawk12.

  71. Missing harkin hurts ST – terribly- since we cut loose they guy who set franchise records for return yardage we really don’t have an established returner now. This could get very interesting.

  72. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I miss Washington!

  73. guidocarmasi says:

    the most over exposed NFL team in history. Deeds not words. quit the hype . they are already sold out.

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