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Morning links: Tate due for another big year?

Post by Eric Williams on July 4, 2013 at 8:24 am with 50 Comments »
July 4, 2013 8:47 am
Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Golden Tate (81) reaches for the goal line for a touchdown past Chicago Bears cornerback Charles Tillman (33) in the second half of an NFL football game in Chicago, Sunday, Dec. 2, 2012. The Seahawks won 23-17 in overtime. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)
Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Golden Tate (81) reaches for the goal line for a touchdown past Chicago Bears cornerback Charles Tillman (33) in the second half of an NFL football game in Chicago, Sunday, Dec. 2, 2012. The Seahawks won 23-17 in overtime. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

Happy Independence Day folks. Hopefully you’re out spending some time with the family today, as I have been doing this week.

Chris Wesseling of NFL.com pegs Seattle receiver Golden Tate as potential breakout candidate in the upcoming season after a solid 2013 campaign, even with the arrival of Percy Harvin. Tate finished second on the team in receptions, with a career-high 45 catches for 688 yards, and seven touchdowns.

Wesseling: “My first instinct in watching Tate’s 2012 film was that a receiver-needy team such as the Baltimore Ravens should be looking into the viability of a trade considering the Seahawks’ depth at the position with Doug Baldwin as their fourth receiver. On second thought, though, it makes little sense for the contending Seahawks to part with an integral player. Tate could be re-signed next offseason while (Sidney) Rice’s bloated salary is jettisoned.

The always-optimistic (Pete) Carroll still expects Tate to have “a huge year.” Our guess is that Tate will fall short of 1,000 yards while still proving to be a valuable asset for the Seahawks.”

Bob Stelton and Dave Grosby of 710 ESPN Seattle talk with Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman about his celebrity softball event, which takes place this Sunday at Cheney Stadium here in Tacoma. Check out the audio link here. The conversation begins about 22 minutes in.

Stelton asks Sherman about being ranked No.50 on the NFL Network’s top 100 players of 2013.

“It is what it is,” Sherman said about his No. 50 ranking on the list. “At the end of the day, you know what you did on the field, and you know what you do on the field. So you can’t worry too much about the rankings, or anybody’s opinion, because opinions are opinions and facts are facts.

“You go out there on the field and put a certain show, you put certain numbers out there, and that’s all you can do.”

And Grosby asked if guys in the media trying to bait him into saying something outrageous because of his outspoken nature.

“Yeah, sometimes their ignorance precedes them,” he said. “I mean they make it too easy for me. Sometimes you have to be the most intelligent person in the room, and that’s what it comes down to. There used to be great reporters out there who used to not just ask baiting questions. They used to actually have to create a story for themselves. But now they try to make it easy for themselves, and ask baiting questions.”

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle breaks down the Seahawks deep receiving group.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com continues his position-by-position breakdown with some analysis on the offensive line, defensive line and linebackers group.

Dave Dameshek of NFL.com gives the NFC West the nod in his division-by-division All-Pro team breakdown. James Carpenter is an interesting name that appears on his All-NFC West division list.

Clark Judge of CBS Sports provides a nice training camp previews of the Seahawks here.

Seahawks receiver Charly Martin is hosting a free football camp back in his hometown of Farmington, New Mexico.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland uses some advanced metrics to predict what teams may slide in 2013 (think Colts and Vikings).

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  1. SandpointHawk says:

    Glad to see all is well Eric. Happy 4th everyone…

  2. CDHawkFan says:

    That’s twice in 2 days were people have been talking up (All-Star) Carp. How in the heck can that happen, he has only finished 14 games and I don’t think anyone would say he has been dominate or even above average in those games. Does he have potential, yes, but come on, an All Star? Maybe that just says more about the rest of the guards in the NFCW.

  3. sluggo42 says:

    Omg, a new thread!
    Did I make the last post on the other?

    Yes, Tate will be a stud. Can’t wait to see how Percy tilts the table to open up the field for Rice too…

  4. The Ravens can have Evan Moore ha ha.

  5. sluggo42 says:

    I personally agree that carp can be an all-star. If he gets his knees healthy and he gets up to NFL fitness, he’ll be a stud. When he was playing last year, you could see that he was a massive guy. He made Okung look average in size. It all depends how serious he takes it all. I don’t know anything about the guys frame of mind or how he has been spending these days as far as a fitness outlook goes.
    I would be pleasantly surprised to see the guy roll into camp in some serious good shape. That would be my happiest training camp surprise. Mostly because I’m quite sure the rest of the team will be in unbelievable shape. In part, due to the level of intensity that their leader Russell Wilson brings. That’s one of the qualities that a guy like Russell brings, an atmosphere where Everyone on the team feels a personal responsibility to bring the very best they have to the table. Where the team is above all else, and silly personal notoriety is secondary. Richard Sherman laid down a perfect example in his latest nfl today broadcast, by sidestepping the “baiting” tactics they tried on him. I laughed when they weren’t getting what they were so obviously wanted, and my brother scolded them later on for their amateur attempts. Quite funny, yet still rings of respect to the team.
    I think that is one of the keys and major differences of this team now, as compared to past teams. Not only loaded with superior athletes, but an excellent mindset to the entire group, all 100% in.
    Perhaps that’s why this is perceived to be such a dynamic and powerful team, as the entire league knows it too, and we will be circled on every other teams calendar. For they know that to even be in the game, they will have to be firing on all cylinders to even be in the game, much less have a chance of winning. Many teams will be beaten before they even take the field, and then many by the end of the first half.
    To harness this great mental energy, Pete couldn’t have a better guy than Russell Wilson, along with the perfect blend of youth and vets. I would imagine the mindset is worth 7-10 points per game, if not even more…

  6. montanamike2 says:

    I think RW can lead us to the promised land. Multiple times!
    We are an Offensive and Defensive juggernaut. If Carp and Moffitt finally show up(or Sweezy) we can be dominate, it does start at the top. Our FO was brilliant to snag so much talent, it would give them more credit if Carpenter turns out to be a stud. RW leads the team and we have a QB who has taken the league by storm and we got him in the 3rd round! hell ya i’m bought in! Only thing is in my glory during a SB run, Lynch has a 3 TD game at home and the whole San Andrea fault breaks off and i lose many family members and friends, including some of you. Kind of sad, just letting you guys know that i’m gonna miss you if that unfortunately happens.

  7. montanamike2 says:

    Worst case of blind homerism?

  8. I agree with with Wesseling, that with our emphasis on the run game, Tate will not get 1000 yds in 2013. Rice won’t reach 1000 receiving either, Harvin might get 1000 yds from scrimmage with his extra touches running the ball.

    But I believe that will work out in our favor, since some teams get wowed by the catches and yards stats. Something in the neighborhood of 50 catches for 700-800 yds and 8-10 TD’s is what I expect from Tate this year.
    And maybe, just maybe, he will fly under the radar during free agency and we can lock him up at a reasonable contract for 3-5 yrs.

  9. Dangit, someone needs to make a Youtube vid of Taco’s Golden Tate Cereal song from “The League”. It is his favorite kind of cereal. The guy sure shows up when it counts, and that happens to mean a whole heck of a lot in this game. Hopefully we don’t need as many comebacks this year, but nice to know that we can do it with the best of them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70tXStUpX8

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Another big year? How about *a* big year? He was solid last season, so he’s hoping he builds on that.

  11. Macabrevity says:

    Sorry to go a bit off topic, but I just read about the Ahmad Brooks assault, and have to admit I feel like Coach Hardball is getting some hypocrite cream pie right in the face after his comments about the character of our players. Hawk’s are a group of cheaters and the Forty Whiners are choir boys…. I’m sure Brooks problem solving skills are in no way impeded by steroid rage, and the bottle just slipped from his hand into someone else’s head.

  12. I don’t care who has a great year ( other than RW) – as long as the hawks keep winning :). I am hoping for #1 seed in the play-offs. I will be disappointed if we get the top seed and don’t make the Super Bowl

  13. doubledink says:

    Watching Tate’s full highlight video again reminded me of how the chemistry between him and RW just kept improving, especially late in the year. I can’t wait to see how much this full offseason has improved that.

  14. raymaines says:

    Three weeks to go.

  15. He may want to stay but $$$$ might have something to say about whether he stays or goes – if someone offers him crazy money to leave, could you blame him?

  16. JZombie says:

    I can’t help but laugh a little every time I see a commercial with RGIII in it. Maybe it’s just the continued hype, but I get a feeling that we’re in good shape with our QB. RGIII spends time being filmed while RWIII spends time reviewing film.

  17. Do y’all remember that one game during the 2010 season at Denver when Tate had a 63 yd punt return?

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81aad47a/D-Seahawks-63-yd-punt-return

    That’s another element to his game we are all sleeping on. They do not want Harvin returning all the kicks AND punts, too much risk for injury putting him out there so much on special teams.

    So, GT may have a bananas year returning punts, also. If he snags a few touchdowns as a punt returner, that ups his value to the team.
    Just something else to chew on for those skeptical of Tate.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    JZombie- Lol.

    CCVI- I remember Tates returning abilities. That’s the main reason I wanted him to be with the team last year. Then low and behold he grows up before our eyes as a clutch WR. Nice!

  19. Considering that Rice, Harvin & Baldwin all have relatively recent injury histories it’s safe to say that the “big 4″ will all have ample opportunity to make significant contributions. Also, with the talent now assembled at WR they should (big word warning!) have a synergistic effect on one another. Of the big 4 Tate still has the most to prove as a receiver in my mind and maybe the most room to grow. What I like about him is his toughness. Baldwin can become the incarnation of “Bobby Engram” for RW. Harvin is the real X-factor here. I’m really interested to see how it all comes together.

    As for who stays, who goes in 2014? Not a problem for today. That’s a problem for the Superbowl XLVIII Champs.

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    No ones getting fat but Mama cass. Mamas and papas.

    “John and Petey were getting kind of itchy”
    “Just to leave the old Seahawks behind”
    “Unger and big Red working for a penny”
    “Trying to get a fish on the line”
    “In the Seahawks house they all could sat”
    “And after every game they’d pass the hat”
    “Thomas and Okung just a-getting higher”
    “In Seattle, you know where that’s at”
    “And no one’s getting fat except Carpitt.”

    “Eric said, Wilson, you know there aren’t many”
    “Who can sling the ball the way that you do, let’s go south”
    ” Harvin said to Rice don’t you think that I wish”
    “I could run a route just like you”
    ” Baldwin and Miller sat, until their name was called and that was that”

    “Lynch and real Rob still a-gettin’ higher”
    “In Seattle, you know where that’s at”
    “And no one’s getting fat except Carpitt.”

    “When Sherman was a sophomore, planned to go to USC”
    “But He changed his mind one day”
    “waiting for the 9ers to pick him in the draft”
    ” but the Seahawks picked him later that day”
    “When Baldwin didn’t get his name called”
    “Harbaugh paid a big price and that’s his own fault you know.”
    “Earl and Kam are taking out their man”
    “and that’s what they were aiming at”
    “And no one’s getting fat except Carpitt.”

    “Mugwumps, high jumps, low slumps, big bumps”
    “Seahawks work as hard as they play.”
    “Make up, break up, everything is shake up”
    ” competition all the way”
    “Wilson, Lynch & Miller formed the Spoonful”
    ” Rice, Harvin & Tate are getting very tuneful”
    ” Baldwin, Willson and Harper are just a-catching fire”
    “In Seattle, you know where that’s at”
    “And everybody’s getting fat except Carpitt”
    “Di-di-di-dit dit dit di-di-di-dit, who-o-oa”

    “We’re tested and rested, Seahawks fans invested”
    “And now we have a chance to play in the big game”
    “If we make it, we don’t have to fake it.”
    “We knew we would make it eventually”
    “Getting past the 9ers, Rams & cards”
    ” Will be the biggest challenge and it will be a bit hard”
    ” Seahawks destinations and our imaginations”
    “Can go on indefinitely”
    “And Super Bowl dreamin’ is becoming a reality.”

  21. So carpenter ran drills with the dline today – is that a coaching thing or him just trying to get footwork drills in to get in shape?

  22. Okay it was actually 2 days ago- but still

  23. Newborough says:

    It’s that slow part of the year, when the columns are padded with Russell Wilson-sightings, so I thought I chip in with an ACIB-sighting.

    There he was on ProFootballTalk on July 2nd, large as life, defending Brady Quinn (well, kind of) in his unique, inimitable, coherent way. I always wondered where he went.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    xcman – I don’t know that it’s either one of those things but rather a sign that his rehab is progressing. A step closer to getting on the field.

  25. montanamike2 says:

    I think you’re right Duke, dude needs all the conditioning he can get.

  26. montanamike2 says:

    Its BEEN REPORTED, Manti Teo is talking to police, he said Aaron Hernandez killed his girlfriend.

  27. HonHawksLSB says:

    Big 4th of July debate at my house…

    Who’s better this season Hawks D or Hawks O? Thoughts?

    I firmly believe they are the top 2 units in the league but I’d have to lean towards Hawks D as there just aren’t any holes aside from maybe outside LB. By maybe week 8 the O could surpass the D but out secondary is sick, Wagner will be top 5 middle LB and our D line is as deep and talented as any.

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If the Hawks D can fix being worst in The NFL,(36%) at giving up first downs on 3rd and 8 or longer plays then I will take them over our offense, but not by much.
    Also their pass rush still needs to get better and we will be starting the season without arguably our two best pass rushers. Hopefully our new players will step up.

  29. Dukeshire says:

    Only time will tell of course, but IMO Quinn’s more aggressive nature vs Bradley’s “manage” the down and distance strategy will dramatically improve that 3rd and 8+. Bradley would drive me nutts the way he would get offenses into predictable play calls then back way off.

  30. CDHawkFan says:

    HonHawks, while the D was the #1 scoring D in 2012, I still think there is room for improvement in terms of the run D and getting to the QB.

    Yes they did add Avril and Bennett, but you still only have 11 guys on the field so are Avril and Bennett better than Clemons/Irvin and Branch? How much better is Winfield vs Trufant, while I do think he is an improvement, I can’t say Trufant was solely to blame for allowing drives to continue resulting in scores. I felt the run D was a bit more on our LB, Wagner hitting the wrong side of a block in front of him and hopefully improvement will come with experience. If it was on the LB, then the question still remains. While good, and with a bit more depth (minus Clemons possibly out until week 7 and Irvin out until week 5) I still don’t see a significant difference in talent compared to what we had on the field in 2012 unless the rookies step up.

    The have an opposite view on the offense. So much potential which we started to see in the second half of the season and playoffs. I think we will see the greatest improvement on the offense side of the ball this year compared to 2012, and kick in Harvin to boot.

    When I said ‘oh so close’ to the D I was usually pissed off, where the ‘oh so close’ to the offense was said with a bit of optimism.

  31. sluggo42 says:

    Ya, Gus would kind of get predictable, so I think Quinn’s plan will be more effective. To be statistically last in one area, yet still be in the top 3 defenses is a VERY telling statistic. It’s kinda like how the rams were tipped off about the 49ers upcoming plays that allowed them to play them so closely. I don’t think the rams will fare as well this year against them due to the 49ers knowing what then knew then.
    It’s the same thing I feel with us. But on a larger scale. I think the whole league knew what we were going to do on 3rd and long, and Gus never adjusted it, so we consistently got burnt in that one area. Now fast forward to this year. Same defense that smothers the runs, but a new and strikingly different approach on those 3rd and long plays, that now result in punts, and a possession change back to us, and our juggernaut offense. Bam, another 50 point game.

    Second half, out offense was bEtter than the “D”. This year, it should be even. Both sides will be dominant. The offense will get the ball more often due to the defensive improvement, and the second stringers will finish many a fourth quarter. And in a sense, that will be great having to limp along with christin pounding the rock eh?

  32. I am a Tater Hater no more.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikQaUdZrET8

    Everyone’s job is on the line and always will be. $ doesn’t guarantee position. I think it’s part of Seattle’s appeal, especially Free Agents.

    2 things

    1. Tate should be allowed to wear 23. In fact, I propose a uniform rule change. Currently, WR/TE’s can wear #’s in the teens and eighties. RB/FB/DB can wear 20’s, 30’s and 40’s. I think WR’s should also be allowed in the 20’s if the # is available.

    2. Harper was draft as insurance to Tate. I know he’s taller, bigger but plays a similar (albeit less spectacular) game to Tate’s.

    Personally, I’d like us to keep as many as possible. My choices:

    Harvin, Rice, Tate, Baldwin, Harper and maybe another speed guy.

    Thanks for the post Eric.

    GO HAWKS!

  33. The hawks have been terrible in 3rd and long for a decade!!! It is not a new problem.

    I am looking for improvement there and at end of games – had Newton not screwed up we very well would have lost the Carolina game last year as well.

  34. guiltybystander says:

    “Another big year” for Tate? Really? When did averaging three catches for 45 yards per game become “big?” And how are those numbers going to improve now that Harvin’s in Seattle?

    Golden Tate is a complementary receiver at best, a nice guy to have on the roster for passing downs and occasional punt/kick returns. But that’s it.

  35. Guiltybystander and Dukeshire: SEVEN touchdown receptions on a team that threw the least in the NFL in 2012 is nothing to sneeze at. Yards do not matter; touchdowns do. Mike Williams finished with 65 catches for 751 yards and only TWO touchdowns in 2010, and everyone gushed over his comeback performance.

    Doug Baldwin led the Seahawks in 2011 with 51 catches for 788 yards and FOUR TDs. Same deal, everyone had their pom poms waving for Baldwin.

  36. freedom_X says:

    If Tate’s season isn’t considered a significant one, then what does that say about Sidney Rice? Whose season was practically identical to Tate’s? At 6x the price.

    Judging by pure numbers, then Harvin’s by far the #1 WR, and all of Seattle’s existing WR’s are complementary players. There are some who can make that argument. But I too believe it’s a matter of the system dampening the stats, and numbers only are a part of the story.

    If Seattle maintains its offensive philosophy, Harvin’s numbers also will plummet. It will be interesting to see what his numbers are like this season, if the offense stays healthy. I’m really curious to see if Seattle will emphasize the passing game to a much greater degree. It’s not Carroll’s philosophy to date, but why pay all that $$$$ at the WR position unless you’re going to throw more?

  37. bbnate420 says:

    Sorry Eric, but what you do with the opportunities you have and scoring TDs doesn’t matter. Only catches and yards do. ;-)

    Just so everyone knows, Dan Quinn has never been a NFL defensive coordinator before. He’s never called a play yet for the Hawks. Let’s slow our roll with the proclamations about what he will be able to do.

    The unrealistic, overly-optimistic homerism has really hit a fever pitch on this blog. I guess that’s what happens when you have no real news? I would hate to see the nuclear type implosion that will occur on this blog if they start the season off badly.

  38. bbnate420 says:

    If this off-season lasted for another month I would expect us all to be making our reservations for the next 5 SBs in a row.

  39. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nate.
    For someone that’s been saying for some time now that this would be the year of the Seahawks you have suddenly gone conservative?
    I know, you probably don’t want to jinx it. Lol.
    I’m too old to be conservative, and this may be my last chance to see the Seahawks get a Super Bowl ring or more, so I’m putting the pedal to the metal.
    And I won’t be disappointed if it doesn’t happen. That last sentence was a lie!

  40. Dukeshire says:

    Eric – I understand that. I said he had a solid year and I meant it. A *big* year? No, I disagree. Did Sid Rice have a big year? He matched or surpassed all of Tate’s receiving numbers… And when did I say anything about yards? Look, Tate is developing into a genuine threat and consistent target, but if his production last year, regardless of Seattle’s pass attempts, is considered big, your expectations for him are surprisingly low.

  41. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate420 – Quinn’s comments regarding playing *more* man coverage on third down is in direct contrast to Bradley’s philosophy, and a more aggressive scheme is at worst implied and most likely dictated. That’s not “unrealistic, overly-optimistic homerism”, as I noted originally, it’s simply my opinion and time will tell. (If you weren’t calling me out directly then apologies. But it seems like that.)

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I still have my pom poms out for Baldwin.

    Tater Tot wasn’t exactly pulling his weight until last year. That’s why some,(like me) were all but giving up on him. Then Low and behold here comes Wilson to help him save his career.
    I give props to Tate for hooking up early with Wilson. While Baldwin was practicing with Flynn, and Rice was practicing with Jackson, some how Tate was smart enough to eventually hook up with Wilson.
    Smart career move imo.

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Eric, Wilson wasn’t throwing the ball to Baldwin in 2011. If Baldwin hadn’t been injured last year, and if he had hooked up with Wilson like Tate did, imo he would have lead the Seahawks in TDs last year.
    We need them all regardless.

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, no I wasn’t really referring you or the Quinn statements when I made the statement about unrealistic, overly optimistic homerism. I was referencing the growing sentiment that the Hawks are definitely SB bound and that teams will be lucky to stay on the same field as us. That’s just my impression of what many people seem to be insinuating. That kind of talk makes me nervous. Not really because I don’t believe in superstition, but I think it’s a little dangerous to get this high before TC has even started. That kind of talk reminds me of how we were going to smoke the Tardinals in the 2012 opener. They didn’t even belong on the field with us. One injury could change the entire face of the 2013 season.

    Duke, and I wasn’t trying to say that Quinn won’t be more aggressive. He seems to be saying he will. My point is that he hasn’t called any defensive plays for the Hawks under fire yet. We don’t know for sure how it will play out. That’s all.

    Georgia, I’m not getting conservative now. I never said they were definitely going to the SB in 2013. I just thought 2013 was the year they should be making the playoffs and would be an important year to the PC regime. They did that a year early. I expect them to be a very good team assuming a normal amount of health. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to win the SB, but I’m not going to jump out a window if it doesn’t happen. There are a lot of good teams in the NFL. You need a bit of fortune usually to win a SB.

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    OK, if you are not going to jump out the window, perhaps you could at least hang from a limb or two every once in a while.

    I’m trying to put you on the spot darn it! Lol.

  46. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, you want me to go out on a limb? Okay, RW will watch more video, not sure why we still call it film, than any other Hawks player in 2013. ;-)

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nate, that’s not going out on a limb, that’s a no brainer. Try again. Lol.

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