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Morning links: SF’s Davis says Hawks building a dynasty

Post by Eric Williams on June 26, 2013 at 8:34 am with 135 Comments »
June 26, 2013 8:34 am
San Francisco 49ers' Vernon Davis, left, is hit by Seattle Seahawks' Kam Chancellor, right, during a reception attempt in the first half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Dec. 23, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)
San Francisco 49ers’ Vernon Davis, left, is hit by Seattle Seahawks’ Kam Chancellor, right, during a reception attempt in the first half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Dec. 23, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)

San Francisco tight end Vernon Davis had some interesting things to say while talking with Jeff Darlington of the NFL Network at the league’s rookie symposium this week.

Davis, who took a vicious shot from Seattle safety Kam Chancellor in his team’s 42-13 loss at CenturyLink Field last December, said that the Seahawks are building a dynasty in this video link. His comments advance the continued banter between the two rivals during the offseason.

Davis: “I think it is a great division. You have a team like Seattle who is coming up. They are building a dynasty over there. They have some good players over there who are eager to win. These guys are starving. We have to really keep that in mind because these guys are coming to take us out. I respect them, just like I respect my team, but we want to win too. We are in it to win. We don’t want to lose, especially after last year. We get all the way to the Super Bowl [and] lose the game. We have to really take it upon our responsibility and put it all out there and play each game like it is our last game.”

Elliott Harrison of ranks Seattle ahead of San Francisco at No. 1 overall in his latest NFL power rankings. Harrison gives the Seahawks the nod because of Michael Crabtree’s recent Achilles tendon injury.

Clare Farnsworth of says that Marshawn Lynch will continue to lead the way in his review of the team’s running backs group.

ESPN’s Herm Edwards lists Richard Sherman No. 2 on his list of the Top 10 projected corners for 2016. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this. Earl Thomas is tops among the projected safeties for 2016. And Bobby Wagner is third among projected LBs for 2016.

Rob Rang of continues his Finding the Fits series with a look at the San Francisco 49ers. Rang said rookie safety Eric Reid should fit in nicely as a replacement for departed safety Dashon Goldson.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland pokes holes in the NFL Network’s annual list of the top 100 players in the league.

Jack Bechta of the National Football Post discusses the realities of finding a job in a sports-related occupation.

The Patriots’ Aaron Hernandez was taken into custody this morning for his alleged involvement in the murder of Odin Lloyd, and New England wasted little time, releasing the tight end.

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated has an interesting profile on Cornell quarterback Jeff Mathews, who has peaked the interest of NFL scouts.

Morning links
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  1. trout_hound says:

    How about this article on a fantasy cage match between Carroll and Harbone?

  2. yankinta says:

    lol, I remember arguing with someone here on TNT last year, about wanting to build a Dynasty with RW, but he just scoffs at me and called me names…. I wish I can remember who that was….. but I’m sure, he knows who he is and what he said…..

    Finally, feels great to be a Seahawks fan….90% of my wish list has been fulfilled, thanks to JS/PC!!.

  3. sluggo42 says:

    What’s your last 10% yanker?

  4. sluggo42 says:

    Maybe pc will sign AH to a futures contract, should he somehow slip outta his current situation… Hahaha

  5. sluggo42 says:

    Just kidding ^ in case you wonder.

    Now Vernon’s statement is telling. To actually say they the hawks are building a dynasty means that they as a team are watching closely, and that they aren’t so comfortable with it. Kinda like presenting an excuse already for the loss on the horizon.

    I hope Pete can keep their heads from getting too big for their helmets. Over-confidence can be a season killer, just ask Phillys “dream-team”

  6. montanamike2 says:

    Davis sounds as if he wants to jump ship too.

  7. I have a different take on VD’s comments…with all the “hate” for the hawks lately, it is easy to see they use this as their chip, their MO to be the best players and team. It has seemed to work. My opinion is maybe VD is thinking, let me tell them they are good, let me say, hey this team is going to be great, maybe that will make them believe it, rather then use it as motivation. That is how i see it, i could be wrong, but it is just odd that a rival would say such “nice” things. With that said, i agree with Sluggo, let’s hope they keep the chip on their shoulders and dont get a big head with all the attention. Go Hawks!

  8. Singularitarian says:

    How about he is just calling it as he see’s it. Seattle IS a good team. I don’t get why it’s a big deal for a guy to give props to another team in his division. He was also talking about his unselfish play and how he doesn’t care about stats, he just wants to play as a team and win. If that sounds like he wants to jump ships Montanamike2, maybe you should clean your ears?

  9. Harbaugh’s success with the 9ers was stunning in ’11 over what Singletary got out of them in ’10, but although their offense’s performance continued to improve a little in ’12, the 9ers defense slipped back a little more than their offense improved. Harbaugh is an offensive minded coach so he got the best value out of his offense ($58.5m) and spent more on his defense ($61.4m). PC is a defensive-minded coach who spent more money on his offense ($56.0m) and got more value with his defense ($38.5m) last season. Yet, last season at their place it was the 9ers STs ($7.5m) vs SEA’s STs ($3.9m) that beat us, not the 9ers offense or defense vs SEA’s defense/offense.

    In this millenium SEA has a slight edge over SF in head-to-head wins. Also, although in this millenium every 3-4 years an NFCW team gets to the SB, and every team in the NFCW has gotten there, it was only STL who won it (in the ’99-’00 season, after which they lost it in the ’01-’02 season.) Recently, each team from the NFCW that’s gone has lost the SB. With the increased strength of this division, it’s time the NFCW starts winning them.

  10. PS: But let’s get SEA to win it first!

  11. Southendzone says:

    I hate this year with the Hawks being the talk of the NFL. That is a recipe for disaster. It means massive publicity on every negative thing that happens. Injuries will be blown out of proportion as will losses.

    Unless the Hawks are dominating all season long all this hype is not going to be beneficial.

    It’s much better to fly under the radar and kick butt while the media focuses on their favorites NE/Denver/NYG/Dallas.

  12. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Davis was the Niners highest paid player in 2013 (or had the biggest cap hit at least according to SportTrac).

    I bet he’s irked about the McDonald kid coming in to give him competition.

    He’s making ~7-8M and he’ll be 30 in January. I’m not sayin anything.. just sayin…

  13. ChrisHolmes says:

    The Hernandez things is just mind blowing.

    My money says this is going to come down to a woman. Evidently Hernandez and Lloyd’s girlfriends are sisters. I have to guess someone slept with the wrong sister and it came to blows.

    Just my first guess.

  14. bbnate420 says:

    Guns and passion generally aren’t a good mix.

    The Patriots are screwed now. If Gronk continues to have injury issues and Amendola misses his usual half a season, they have nobody to throw the ball to. I bet Brady is pretty damn pissed right about now that they let a few million lose them Welker.

  15. montanamike2 says:

    Singularitarian i said the VD comment in jest.

  16. Introducing Tim Tebow, TE.

  17. Good for Vernon Davis to give the Seahawks props. Even after Sir Kam of Chancellor leveled him with a hit that probably still has his head ringing. Davis still gives them props. I like this guy.

    And I loved that hit.

  18. Yes, Patriots are screwed, and Tebow is probably practicing TE routes right now. Not that he’s going to save them.

    That criminal Hernandez caught 6 passes and a TD against us last year. Yet we still won.

  19. I like the Seahawk’s TE situation a lot more than the Patriot’s…imagine saying that a year ago.

    Beyond the obvious of being nasty character and likely a serious criminal, Hernandez has to be one of the stupidest men on the planet. He had everything anyone could want, including, one would suppose, a career he loved and everything material he could want…$40 million reasons to act right. And he pisses it away over what? Couldn’t control his emotions? Liked being a banger more than a multi-millionaire pro football player?

    Exactly what he is we don’t yet know for certain…but one thing we do know is that he is as stupid as a human being can be.

  20. rramstad says:

    Agree that Hernandez is an idiot. Had he controlled himself, he likely could have gotten away with it, with better planning.

    I would bet that the next big revelation is that they have an eyewitness, someone who took a plea deal.

  21. One of the two dudes that were with them, cause you ain’t hearing shit about them. One or both dimed him for a plea. What a stupid F…, with all the rentals and stuff, probably was over drugs and reputation. On a positive note, I like all the pub the Hawks are getting, I think it puts pressure on them and I feel players like Wilson prepare harder for it while Sherm thrives on it. Go Hawks.

  22. montanamike2 says:

    “These gloves you found next to the gun are way too small for my hands”!

  23. bbnate420 says:

    Let’s just let the legal process play itself out before we brand him a criminal. He didn’t have a record prior. I have no idea what happened, and neither does anyone else here. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to trade places with him right now. He is almost certainly not going to play in 2013, and maybe never will again. Not to mention spending a long time in prison.

    People don’t suddenly change completely just because they get to the NFL and get some money. It’s not necessarily about intelligence. We’re all a product of our environment to some degree. Weird thing is I have never heard anything about him being violent before. The pre-draft red flags were for failing drug tests at the U and supposedly hanging with the wrong kind of crowd. He hasn’t been in trouble since being in the NFL. I know certain people despise his making it rain TD dance. I’m not a fan of it either. There is that guy who has come out of the woodwork now that said Hernandez shot him in the face. I don’t know if he’s an opportunist or if there is something to that.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    I watched the arrangement on ESPN and I’ll tell you this: if what the prosecution said is anywhere near accurate, he’s going to prison.

  25. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate420 – Some of those “red-flags” included alleged gang ties, coming out of Florida, not just failed drug tests.

    And I generally agree that being in the NFL doesn’t change who a person is, but more likely magnifies who they really are.

  26. Nate, the Pats are masters of keeping things quiet. The fact we don’t hear about what their players are up to doesn’t mean the aren’t up to no good. Hell, look at all the illegal crap Cowboys players got out of when they were winning if you don’t think NFL guys get away with all kinds of stuff.

    Hernandez reportedly scared many teams away from him for failed drug tests in college and his friends seemed to be connected to gangs. He is being sued for allegedly shooting a guy in the face and now the definite obstruction and possible murder and you expect us to hold back on forming an opinion unless and until he’s convicted–he with the million dollar attorneys?! That’s nuts!

    While I am willing to revise my opinion of him with new evidence, I damn sure would bet right now that he is a stupid asshat who is guilty of obstruction and hanging out with murderous scumbags at least, and at worst is the kind of dumb monster horror movies are made of.

    If you want to remain neutral that’s your thing, but don’t expect anyone else to give h the benefit of the doubt.

  27. The money, fame, and pressure damn sure can change people. It can also stunt their emotional growth by keeping them on a pedestal and insulating them from having to deal with the normal everyday experiences that enable most folks to grow up and become functional, productive members of society.

    Star athletes often exhibit stunted emotional and social development, for a variety of reasons, and that’s one big reason so many pro athletes have such a hard time after their careers end; they have no idea how to handle real life, and many have the emotional maturity of teenagers.

    While they are not wholly responsible for the cult of athlete worship, they are in some ways victims of it.

  28. Nate, I agree his behavior doesn’t necessarily mean he is cognitively below avg, but you can’t say he acted with much smarts either. The guy seemed to think he’s a tough guy thug and his behavior– especially the alleged shootings–seem to indicate he has little grasp of reality. You can’t be a gangster and last in the NFL, and you can’t shoot people and get away with it. And you damn sure can’t get accused of shooting two people and keep your job in the NFL. You’d think the first incident would have scared him straight, but he seems to think he’s invincible.

  29. rramstad says:

    bbnate420, would it change your opinion to know that he was apparently banned from campus at Florida? This is a school that has all sorts of odd, downright unsavory folks, and even outright criminals as alumni… if they are banning you as an alumni from coming on campus, that’s pretty extreme.

    (This is absolutely hearsay, but is something that I read recently, a few days ago, before he was even arrested, in regards to his previous “gang ties”.)

    “Although that statement is direct, it doesn’t really clear much of anything up: Which information is wrong? The report that Hernandez failed numerous drug tests at Florida? The report that NFL teams were concerned Hernandez might have gang ties? The report that Hernandez was questioned about a shooting while he was at Florida?”

  30. I have a neighbor who installs bootleg septic systems, which is illegal. (I’m 99% sure he does anyway). He’s put on illegal SB parties with illegal booze and illegal gambling. He’s never been busted and I can’t prove squat, but the dudes a criminal regardless.

  31. I’m just surprised Hernandez wasn’t in jail the day the murder happened. A guy he knew and was seen with showed up dead a mile from his house, Hernandez destroyed his home security system and cell phone and fled. He should have been suspected and thrown in jail on day one. Apparently the police are more patient about arresting rich criminals who have good lawyers.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    Bootleg septic system? Illegal booze? Illegal SB parties? Do those things even exist? Maybe the booze if you live in a dry county, but still, very odd things to be illegal. lol

  33. raymaines says:

    On the last thread we all pretty much agreed that right after a big win or hard loss it’s easy to say things that we really don’t mean.

    This is what Aaron Hernandez had to say right after the birth of his now 7 month old child:

    “Hernandez became a father on Nov. 6, and said he intended to change his ways: ‘Now, another one is looking up to me. I can’t just be young and reckless Aaron no more. I’m going to try to do the right things.'”

  34. Duke shire–bootlegged septic systems are a very big deal. Sanitation is as important to creating and maintaining civilization as language.

    Having a SB party where u charge admission, sell booze, and gamble to the tune of thousands of dollars changing hands–with no permits and without paying the NFL or anyone IS Waaay illegal, yes.

  35. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, I was referencing the alleged gang ties when I mentioned that the perception was that he was hanging out with the wrong kinds of people. I don’t necessarily put a lot of stick into that stuff, but anyone else is free to do so. I agree that money generally makes a person more of whatever they are. The money certainly didn’t fix whatever social/psychological problems Hernandez had before he got it. I think the people around you change more than anything when you get money. That of course must cause a reaction in the person with the money.

    rramstad, jesus, relax with the straw man arguments. When did I say anything was wrong about the reports from Florida? I don’t know if there is truth to the accusations about things that happened at Florida. Neither do you. He was never convicted of anything there. That’s a fact.

    STTBM, I’m not going down this rabbit hole again with you. I suggested people refrain from calling him a criminal until he’s convicted of something. Anyone is obviously free to ignore that. You choose to make judgements about people before getting all the facts. That’s your choice. I hope you see yourself as a criminal too though seeing as how you have a DUI. Hell, if we’re going to call everyone who has been convicted or probably has committed some crime at some time a criminal then the majority of people out there are criminals. Especially with the way America likes to lock people up.

    It’s a matter of semantics, but I wasn’t suggesting that this was an intelligent act, if he in fact did it, but that it’s not a matter of whether he’s intelligent or not. If you believe the prosecution, they’re claiming that Hernandez basically executed this guy. They charged him with first degree murder, not 2nd. They said he executed him in the arraignment. I would argue that a premeditated murder is pathological, not unintelligent. Plenty of intelligent people have committed murder. Mobsters, serial killers, etc.. The Unabomber was a genius.

  36. CDHawkFan says:

    ‘Doesn’t know shit from Shinola’ = possessing bad knowledge or judgement.

    I now see another connection between bootlegged septic systems and Aaron Hernandez.

  37. bbnate420 says:

    I’m guessing STTBM means septic systems without a permit. You can create a large pollution problem if you build a septic system and don’t know what the hell you’re doing.

  38. sluggo42 says:

    Pssst, anyone know where I can score a hot crap tank?

  39. bbnate420 says:

    Sorry, rramstad. I guess I missed the quotes around that paragraph of your post. Now that I’ve read the link, I’m don’t see how it helps your argument? It’s about the Florida AD taking issue with claims about his alleged problems at Florida.

    STTBM, the first shooting doesn’t have anything to do with this. He wasn’t charged with anything. They didn’t have the evidence. He hasn’t lost a civil case yet. The reason he was released by the Pats and is sitting in jail right now is that he was charged with first degree murder and 5 other charges. There doesn’t need to be anything more than that for him to presently be out of the NFL. A good question is, if he’s found innocent does someone take a chance on signing him?

  40. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    lmao, i guess we all have bootleg systems down here then. i put my own in no permit needed. it is really not all that complicated. my only issue was in over estimating amount of sand a gravel i needed. put in in a year ago works perfect

  41. bbnate420 says:

    Are you sure you didn’t need one, hawkfan? Anyways, it varies from state to state. I could say something about Oklahoma and septic systems, but I think it’s best I refrain.

  42. Dukeshire says:

    “Pssst, anyone know where I can score a hot crap tank?” Lol

    We had a septic tank for out hunting dog kennels in our pasture, when I was growing up. When it rained really hard, that bad boy would back up and of my lord, what a mess. In short, I understand the permitting and ordinances regarding such things. But the way he worded all those “illegal” things and activities just cracked me up.

    bbnate420 – That’s fair and we are generally in agreement here.

  43. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    nate, this is not the communist west here,i live in the country here no permits to build a new house other than a notice to build. all that does is notify the tax guy that your county taxes should go up. now if i lived in side a town or city there would be codes to follow but even there a building permit is 100-150. you are right thou it does depend on where you live even here.

  44. wabubba67 says:

    jboard1–You give Vernon Davis FAR too much credit for his ability to think. Had a reputation for being an idiot leading up to his draft day and if the vacant, “anybody home” stare by his brother Vontae last season on Hard Knocks (Dolphins) is an example of the depth of Vernon’s gene pool….well…let’s just say he’s not swimming, and would probably keep his feet dry while walking across that pool.

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    When we purchased our last house I came to find out soon that the plumber connected the the supply line to the commode from the hot water line.
    Talk about hot crap!

    BTW- My rule of thumb when it comes to permits is- Ask for forgiveness over asking for permission, unless you have a homeowners association, then you are screwed.

    Also- The news about Hernandez will probably take the spotlight of the Seahawks negative news of late, unless some writers think Moffitts charges are more disturbing.

  46. sluggo42 says:

    The city of Malibu is banning septic systems due to groundwater contamination issues. In theory, a collection system and a waste weather treatment facility needs to be built. Lots of hills to deal with, spread out cliff edge mansions etc. tough system to design and expensive to build. Plus, the NIMBY situation for the plant location is tough.

    Small sized on site treatment facilities are popping up, so the final discharge is less dangerous. California probably has higher discharge requirements than most other states.

    It’s a shitty discussion at best.

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Not that I’m a big fan of Wilson or anything, but here is some more stuff regarding the best QB the Seahawks have ever had.

    Interesting that Sweezy was part of his passing academy.

  48. montanamike2 says:

    Good link GeorgiaHawk.

  49. SandpointHawk says:

    Well “The Sweez” did go to N.C. State so he was probably in the neighborhood.

  50. montanamike2 says:

    They stopped selling Hernandez’s jersey on The way the league is walking away from him so fast reminds me of OJ type seriousness.

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Russell Wilson-

    “I want to be a CEO of a business one day, so I share those with those kids. . . . I want to own my own company and do my own things but also, I want to be the best quarterback that ever played the game. I have a long ways to go to get there, but you take it one day at a time, you stay in the moment and you just enjoy it for what it is.”

    Music to my ears.

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That’s right SandpointHawk, Ding Ding. I forgot they were teammates at N.C. State.

    Sweezy on Wilson-

    “You can’t get much better than Russ,” says J.R. Sweezy, a former teammate of Wilson’s at State and a current one with the Seattle Seahawks. “I look up to him, he’s a great guy, leads by example. I’ve got nothing but good things to say about him.”

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I don’t think Flynn is the worst starting QB in the NFL, however the Raiders may be the worst team in the NFL. Sorry Eric.

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hernandez is not the only one.

    I can deal with the PEDs and the habitual urinating, however I hold my breath this time of year in fear of hearing one of our own might take it to another level.

  55. montanamike2 says:

    My sentiments exactly! Dangerous time of year.

  56. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Isn’t it nice to hear some of our players are running camps in the off season, instead of running gangster activity like Hernandez & Walcott?

  57. Aren’t some southern cal cities converting wastewater back into drinking water?

  58. bbnate420 says:

    Sluggo, yes, a shitty discussion indeed. NIMBY certainly always seems to complicate matters like that. There’s one political thing we can agree on at least.

    Georgia, what’s this. You’re a fan of who? I secretly wish we didn’t have RW and had resigned Hasselbeck this past off-season. Then we could renew our Hass-TJack debates. ;-)

    The dynasty talk is silly to me. Just something to fill the slow period of the NFL schedule. Let’s worry about winning ONE SB before we start talking dynasty.

    I feel sorry for Matt Flynn, as sorry as you can feel for a guy with a super hot GF who is getting paid millions to play QB. Just look at the pathetic group he has to throw the ball to. They better run the ball well. McFadden better stay healthy. He has a good FB in Reece, go Dawgs. He can run and really catch the ball. Denarius Moore should be a pretty good WR. WR Rod Streater actually had a pretty good 2012, I’ve never heard of him. Other than that, he’s got nothing proven.

  59. bbnate420 says:

    klm, yes. You will see more and more waste water being converted to drinking water as the fresh water supply diminishes.

  60. bbnate420 says:

    I’ve seen it before, many here probably have, but it’s a great watch. RW is a special leader. I would normally be wary of a sophomore slump, but this kid just prepares so hard. Even if he ends up with a lower QB rating, I expect him to be a better player. I feel almost as giddy as Georgia.

  61. Dukeshire says:

    I remember the first time I saw that being really impressed with Cable and how he complimented Wilson at the end. Yes, a good watch indeed.

  62. bbnate420 says:

    God I can’t wait until we play Atl this year. Sherm was on it. The one big play was Chancellor’s fault IMO.

  63. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, same here. I think the Cable conversation with RW at the end of the game says something special about RW. Maybe I’m wrong, but I kind of doubt Cable had that conversation with any of his QBs when he was the head coach in Oak.

  64. hawkdawg says:

    I believe Mathews has “piqued” the interest of NFL scouts…

  65. bbnate420 says:

    *weary. I guess I’m a tard.

  66. bbnate420 says:

    I apologize if you took offense, Sluggo. I just remembered what you said when we were arguing before. As I said, I have an aunt that is mentally retarded. I don’t mean it in a demeaning way to people that are actually mentally retarded.

  67. Lots about crap on the comments section yesterday. Must be the constipation of the offseason.

  68. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    stevos it’s the bootleg septic systems,lol in all seriousness thou looks like Hernandez is going away for a very long time.

  69. sluggo42 says:

    It’s cool nard, I know where your coming from now, so I take no offense.
    Nate+tard= Nard

    With waste water, it’s not so much “converting” it back into water, but rather removing the waste from it. It first goes through bar screens and various types of raking to get the big floaters and chunks of stuff, then to clarifiers, where more things float or sink, and they can add different chemicals and products to help that happen, then it goes to big aerated tanks where the “bugs” are eating stuff, then more clarifiers, polishing ponds, then chlorination to kill anythin remaining, then de-clorination to keep the water from killing anything after its release. this final kill stage is an area on growth too with newer technologies like ultraviolet lights and the such to make the final kill. They have different standards across the country for the state of water at the discharge point, and númerous technologies to get it there. The cleaner the water, the more expensive. Discharges that go directly into the ocean in an underground then underwater pipe 5 miles into the ocean are less strict than waters released into a stream, that meanders to the ocean. Then there are huge “perk ponds” which get “ripped” or tilled every other year, where the water just soaks into the earth. When I retired a few years ago they were working on a new deep well injection system, where big powerful pumps would shoot the treated water all the way back down into the aquifer.

    Nature ends up being the final scrub of the water.

    On the other end, fresh water from wells often gets treated as well before going through the system to your kitchen sink. Typically chlorination/ de-chlorination. Lots of testing and high standards of cleanliness before you get. A chance to ingest it.

    The water industry is a pretty secure industry to work in, it’s not like people can go on strike, and quit flushing their toilets

  70. sluggo42 says:

    I left out the othe side of the water cleaning business, lets call it “sludge”. It’s all the stuff that gets removed from the water. It is basically pumped into large tanks called “digesters” where it’s kept at a nice warm temperature and where all sorts of “bugs” live that actually eats the waste bad bugs. After a certain length of time getting digested, it is dewatered by various means, be it filter presses, vacuum presses, gravity, open air dried, etc. at that point the dried waste can be sent to a landfill and buried. It can be used as a fertilizer, but that has been difficult to get accepted, even though it is generally believed to be safe. Another new use is to use it as fuel mixed with the methane naturally produced in landfills to produce energy.

    It’s come a long way from the Los days

  71. montanamike2 says:

    Since i’m just on the edge of town, next to the Gallatin river, i have a well and septic. My land is grandfathered in but new houses have to buy into the system which is quite expensive. I have a huge garden, greenhouse and an acre of lawn that stays green all summer. Our water tested extremely pure and is almost PH perfect. Almost everywhere here has a covenant, mine says only one septic on the property but i have a neighbor with a bootleg and he has a full kitchen and bathroom in his garage. I love living outside the city.

  72. montanamike2 says:

    During my time in the Army in Tacoma, i lived off post right by the town dump which i didn’t know was there until later. Sometimes the methane gas was so strong i had to keep the windows closed, in the summer it was brutal but there’s nothing like tasting methane in the middle of the night. They called the fertilizer sludge tacgrow and gave it away for free, i’m an organic gardener and didn’t want the stuff.

  73. bbnate420 says:

    montanamike, that’s what they used to call the Aroma of Tacoma. It really used to refer mostly to the stink from the Ruston Smelter. Thankfully, it’s not so bad now.

    Sluggo, I’ll be the Nard Dog all you want. I would hope some people know what that refers to.

  74. montanamike2 says:

    Nate i remember the aroma of Tacoma and it was bad.

  75. sluggo42 says:

    Uh oh, I’m afraid my age will show here, what is the “Nard Dog”…

    Searched and found
    Nard (noun) is a term for unidentified sticky substances found on the floor after a party the night before. Use may also be extended to include anything disgusting as in “Hey! Look at that disgusting nard on the floor.” So maybe a nard dog is a fan of nard?


  76. montanamike2 says:
  77. sluggo42 says:

    So, getting back to this threads topics, one that we gloss over cuz it’s good, is our running game.
    Of course the beast and the new threat of Percy, is stupid scary on its own.

    My brain keeps clicking back to Christine as our first pick. We all are hearing about the turbinator s great camp etc, and how he has really grown up.he catches the ball on swings sweetly and all that is good.

    But I’m hearing that Christine might be the best RB of this draft,, or at least one of the top 2 or 3 anyways. I guess I’m wondering how many touches this guy gets, and what will happen if he suddenly starts ripping off some huge gainers or break-away TD romps? I mean, are we stacked at RB or what? This is a run first team that now has a #3 RB that can take it to the house at any moment that defenses must account for as well. Or, will the D soften up without the beast in anticipating the pass, then BAM. Will that happen early on, force 8 in the box always, and then make the pass game off play action even more deadly?

    When does the madness ever stop?

  78. bbnate420 says:

    Sluggo, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I meant the Nard Dog, as in Andy, Ed Helms, from the show The Office. His name is Andy Bernard. He calls himself the Nard Dog. Nards used to be a synonym for testicles back in my day too. It definitely wasn’t meant to mean any sticky substance, unidentified or not.

  79. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, Christine Michael and Marcus Lattimore were the 2 most talented RBs in the 2013 draft. Is it a coincidence that the Hawks and Whiners go them? I was pulling for Lattimore until the Whiners drafted him.

  80. Dukeshire says:

    I was too. The kid has the heart of a lion.

  81. bbnate420 says:

    I still hope Lattimore will have a career in the NFL. He’s been through a lot. I just can’t pull for him to reach his potential with the Whiners.

  82. sluggo42 says:

    So Mr sticky post party residue on the floor, you mean Andy Bernard….
    From the office?… Never heard of him… Hehe

    I’m reading that his injury is similar to Willis McGahee, so he has a good chance to recover fully.
    Maybe he is fragile, or unlucky in the same way WT3 is?

  83. Off topic but answer to klm008 and bbnate: in Las Vegas every drop of water that hits our sewer system (everything used indoors or in pools or fountains) is captured and cleansed to an ultra high degree and returned to our water source (Lake Mead/Colorado River). According to our compact, for every gallon we return we are allowed to take another gallon out. It is like “Dune” on a metro area level.

  84. bbnate420 says:

    Vegas, most places now return that type of water. For instance, the water that goes down your sink. What klm was talking about, I believe, is recycling water from the sewage system. All it requires is a good filtration system. People don’t like the idea though.

    Sluggo, Andy Bernard is Ed Helms’ character from the AMERICAN TV SHOW The OFFICE! It’s a take off on the British show called The Office that was created by Ricky Gervais. It ran 9 seasons on NBC. I know, NBC is barely a network anymore. Ed Helms plays Stu in the Hangover movies. You either get it or you don’t now. It seems you might just want to be an ass.

  85. Good lord, look at the (poop) I started!

    All joking aside, my wife is an Environmental Health professional and knows septic systems and everything related to them like no one else. Im not going to get into detail, but bootlegging septic systems–whether it be adding extra buildings onto a smaller tank, putting in illegal drainfields, whatever–is a very serious problem and can cause all kinds of nasty issues that arent necessarily visible, like leaking through the ground to streams, lakes, ponds, etc and causing gnarly pollution. Suffice it to say that y’all scoffing at the need to do septic systems correctly are dead wrong.

    Nuff of that crap!

    Nard Dog eh?! Yowza!

  86. sluggo42 says:

    Lol Nate,
    I know who he is, but I didn’t follow the show. Just jerkin your chain for a sec…
    But I did chuckle at the description of nard…

    So… How many days til training camp opens….?

    It’s hotter than Megan fox in a string bikini down here in SoCal this week, we’ll be in the triple digits today…

  87. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I am with you here. No one wants crap in their groundwater, I would presume. It’s just a presumption though. I don’t want to offend any aqua-fecal oficiandos.

  88. bbnate420 says:

    Sluggo, triple digits really? Just hydrate. It’s supposed to be in the mid 70’s with rain showers today in Sea-Tac. 80’s and sunny supposedly the rest of the week.

    Sorry if I tripped out about the Nard Dog BS. I wasn’t quite sure what you were saying.

  89. bbnate–Your original comment got me fired up, but not as much as you might think. Its cool…

    On the contrary though, Hernandez’s first gun incident (the alleged shooting that cost a dude his eyesight in one eye), as well as the pictures of him posing with guns he has no permit for, are very relevant not only to this particular case, but to judging his overall character. If you pose with pictures of yourself in your house with a gun you have no permit for, and there is surveillance footage of you with a gun you have no permit for at your house, you are breaking the law and a criminal, as that is criminal behavior. The conviction is simply a legal designation, but once you have committed a crime, you are in fact a criminal, whether you have been or ever are convicted has no bearing on that.

    So Hernandez’s gangbanger friends, his multiple positive drug tests in college, the fact NFL teams were sketched about him, the lawsuit against him for allegedly shooting a guy in the face (the guy WAS shot, its not like they are trying to find out if this happened, it did–the court case is whether Hernandez did it), his behavior with his teammates, and everything thats known about the Odin LLoyd case all adds up to paint a picture that anyone logical would be hard pressed to see as anything but sketchy.

    Not to mention the comments of Matt Light, who despite his Patriot reticence to talk about former teammates, was moved to say that he never was onboard with anything Hernandez stood for. Those are strong words, and obviously convey serious issues with Hernandez’s behavior and character.

    On top of that comes word the cops are looking into Hernandez’s possible involvement in a double murder last year.

    Add all that together, and you firmly believe its wrong to form an opinion that they guy is most likely a criminal?! Do you mean that if he was your neighbor, you’d feel safe living next to him while this was going on, because you wouldnt form an opinion unless and until he was convicted? If that is the case, Im not angry with you but I cannot understand that attitude; to me its utterly illogical.

    Now, were I asked to sit on a jury, I would have to admit I had heard too much regarding Hernandez to be legally impartial enough to fulfill my role correctly as a juror. I think they will have a damned hard time finding a jury pool of people ignorant enough of the media storm regarding this story to find impartial people though.

    Sure, there is a slight chance that Hernandez never shot anyone, nor ordered it. But his behavior in all these alleged incidents–the stuff that can be proven and the comments from others like Light who are far more credible than Hernandez–paint a picture of a guy who is a serious jerk at least.

    And yes, I have a DUI and committed a criminal act in the eyes of the law. However, it was a judgement on the officers part that I was impaired (I wasnt) and I blew below the legal limit. So no, I do not feel that I am a criminal person. Hernandez appears to be someone who IS a criminal, on a regular or at least recurring, basis. Again, youre wanting to argue semantics. That word can mean many things, to differing degrees.

    You seem to be arguing that no one should label his behavior or form an opinion based on it–alleged or proven–unless and until he is convicted of a crime, and I disagree with that wholeheartedly. I will form opinions based on available info and my personal experience and biases, which is what any thinking creature does. Its proven that people make up their minds about others/form serious opinions on people they meet within 1.5 seconds. Even if you think you dont do that, you do.

    Now, as I said, if more information comes to light, I will continue to take it in and process it and adjust my opinion accordingly. My opinions are not set it stone, I dont operate that way, and I also make a conscious effort NOT to be rigid and to re-evaluate often.

    Probably we’re not as far off in our thought as you seem to think. It seems to me you really are objecting to the voicing of an opinion and the use of a particular word that likely has multiple and different meanings to us.

    Regardless, Im not angry just in disagreement. Have a good day.

  90. OMG, the preseason cant get here fast enough!

  91. Hell, Sluggo, I’m going to SoCal next to get OUT of the heat…117 here Sat and Sun, over 110 every day for the next week.

  92. montanamike2 says:

    It’ll be 90’sish this weekend here. at 5200 feet that feels like 110, thank god we have low humidity.

  93. Our humidity is non-existent, which just makes it feel like cooking in a pizza oven as opposed to a bamboo steamer.

  94. I can’t remember what Vegas’ water tastes like (which is probably a good thing,) but Yuma tap water tasted nasty – briney. Wash your car with the tap water and it ended up looking kinda like a salt-cured ham. Big industry there is supplying snowbirds with bottled potable water. Yuma’s like at the end of the Colorado before it goes on into Mexico. Because of a treaty the US built a big desalination plant to try to take some of the salt out of the river before it continued on into Mexico. Once you get into Mexico around there you see huge irrigated fields growing crops year round. I know around Yuma in the ’90s the farms were growing crops year round and used alotta water. Yuma usta be known for being dry country – now it’s kinda humid. All along the Colorado upstream farms are watering crops where there usta be just desert. Makes me wonder just how fresh that water is by the time it goes into the Gulf of California.

    Back to football… Besides Lattimore’s broken right leg (or dislocated knee per Spurrier) vs Tennessee last season for NC that looked pretty bad, Lattimore’s had ankles, concussions, torn knee ligaments, etc. thru his gamecock career. I’m hoping Chris Michael ends up the better back in the NFL between the two. When SEA still had Ricky Watters and drafted SA in ’00, Shaun only started one game that season. In ’01 Watters started 4 games and was then replaced by SA as starter and Watters retired at the end of the season, playing in only one more game that season. With Holmgren’s man blocking WCO with one main running back, SA had to run several plays before he really began to hit stride. Now, playing multi-backs in Bevell/Cable’s ZBS, SEA will use Chris together with Marshawn (at least thru ’16) and Turbine hitting the hole without hesitation, pounding the defense down. Can’t wait…

  95. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I said you can have whatever opinion you want to. I’m sure you know you don’t need my permission. If you don’t need a conviction, that’s fine for you. I was suggesting that most people have either been convicted or broken a law and gotten away with it, at least in America. I wasn’t trying to call you out or shame you for having a DUI. As I’ve said, the police tried to saddle me with one. I demanded a blood test and came out under .08. I am technically a criminal anyways though. I was busted with less than a gram of marijuana when I was 19, 13 years ago. It’s a joke IMO, but it is what it is. It still is on my record today.

    Hernandez doesn’t have any convictions yet. That’s a FACT. I don’t know if the civil case about him supposedly shooting someone has any merit. Neither do you. You have the right to assume whatever you want, but that here-say won’t be admissible in his murder trial. Even if he loses a that civil trial before his murder trial, I believe the prosecution has to petition to have it brought before the jury. Can Chuck enlighten us? I’d like to hear from him, even though he isn’t a criminal defense lawyer so far as I know.

  96. sluggo42 says:

    Jeepers Vegas!

    That’s a tad on the warm side. This little heat wave is supposed to ease up next week.
    Is mead still getting lower and lower? I remember a few years ago that the boat ramps were hundreds of yards away from the water it had shrunk so much…
    How about havasu?
    Good fishing over there…

  97. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, it looks bad for Hernandez. I have no particular reason to defend him. I just defend the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Even if he ends up winning this case, it’d most likely he misses the 2013 NFL season. It’s questionable if he will play again even if he is foud innocent.

  98. bbnate420 says:

    There’s really no reason to condemn Hernandez IMO. He will miss 2013 regardless of whether he’s found guilty or not. He’s not being given a pass. I will wait to hear more from the trial. Others do not, obviously. Think what you will.

  99. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, one thing we can agree on it seems is that I can’t wait until TC/pre-season.

  100. Dukeshire says:

    I remember when I lived in Vegas there were these really odd pockets of humidity, downtown. People would relentlessly water their lawns to keep them green and neighborhoods on weather radar maps would show 50%-60% humidity. Two blocks away it would be back to 5%-10%.

    And what makes it all worse, is that all those rocks and concrete just soak in the heat from the sun during the day, then at night just radiate it back out. It can be 115 during the day and not get below 90 at night. So glad I don’t live there anymore (aside from the sports books).

  101. bbnate420 says:

    And regardless of any of the arguing, I really feel sorry for Hernandez’s 7-8 month child and his child’s mother. I feel for the victim’s family too. One thing is sure, Odin Llyod was killed. The question is who did it. It’s just a sad situation regardless.

  102. montanamike2 says:

    I have friends in Canada who were busted for small possession when we were teenagers. Now it’s going on 30 years later and they still can’t visit me due to inability to get passports. They were told they qualify for a pardon but it costs about 6-7 thousand dollars.

  103. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, I hope you had a humidifier to keep your guitar/s in the 40-50% range while you were in Vegas. That dry air can ef up a guitar royally if given enough time.

  104. montanamike2 says:

    I have a cousin in Vegas who’s always asking me to visit his family. No way in the summer but i’d like to go when it’s cooler in late fall or winter. We now have direct flights there for 60.00. Now back to football.

  105. montanamike2 says:

    Each way.

  106. montanamike2 says:

    Guys i’m off to do yardwork while it’s still possible, i’ll talk to you later.

  107. Sluggo…Mead went up a couple years ago but is now heading back down toward shortage again. Going to Laguna on the 4th so i hope it doesn’t cool down too much at the beach…i think I’m safe on that score.

    Not so many lawns left any longer, Duke, but those rocks are still radiating heat at night. Low of 90 (early morning hours) this weekend. Our altitude helps dissipate the heat a little bit at night (compared to Phoenix), but not enough when one of these weather patterns set up.

  108. bbnate420 says:

    montana, yep, you can usually get it expunged, in the US at least, if you want/have the money to pay a lawyer to do it. Judges can still see it though. It’s a couple grand as far as I’ve heard. That’s most likely part of the reason I attacked Sluggo when he challenged me about marijuana. I don’t even really smoke anymore, and it’s legal now in Washington, but these BS laws have consequences. Anyways.

  109. bbnate420 says:

    I’ve gone to Vegas a few times in the late Spring. It’s cheap and not too hot then. Sweet.

  110. bbnate420 says:

    Good lord, how dare you bring up football!

  111. I dont feel sorry for the mother of Hernandez’s child, at least not much. Assuming she is a legal adult, she chose to make a baby (or at least practice!) with the guy, and she either knew, or should have known, that Hernandez was not a very good candidate for a husband or father, and taken appropriate precautions (ie, run away…). Regardless of her reasons, she made a kid with a guy who by the information available appears to be a real jerk at best, and a scary, dangerous lunatic at worst. Yes, its possible the guy was a total gentleman around her and everyone she knew at all times, but I kinda doubt it…

    I do feel sorry for his little kid. No kid asks to be born, certainly not into a situation like this.

    This is as crazy or crazier than OJ. Its weirder than Ray Lewis–and thats WEIRD!

  112. bbnate–And youre welcome to believe (or at least try to withhold judgement) Hernandez is innocent until he goes down for the count. For me, conviction wouldnt necessarily make me believe in guilt; plenty are incarcerated unfairly, while many more go free that should be locked up.

    It would be fine if Hernandez turn out not to have murdered–or even shot–anyone, but its pretty much a given he’s going down at the very least for obstruction of justice.

    Despite what you seem to think, Im not a person who judges randomly or capriciously, nor am I someone who forms an opinion and refuses to change it when new evidence surfaces that contradicts that opinion–I constantly revise. (As I said, I form an opinion with the data available, but I do understand that data is always incomplete).

    Hernandez’s lawyers need to assign someone to do PR/Damage control in a hurry…he’s getting slaughtered in the media and the court of public opinion. Of course, if he wasnt rich and connected, he would REALLY be screwed; can you imagine the spot he’d be in if he was indigent and only had a public defender for a lawyer?!

  113. On Vernon Davis’ comments: I believe he was mostly sincere. He’s also a pretty smart dude (which you might not know if you havent seen the little documentary NFL or ESPN did on him, as I have) and so wont say anything inflammatory.

    Its true he was a punk his first couple years in the league for sure, but one good thing Mike Singletary did in his disastrous turn as HC for the Niners was show Davis tough love and make him pull his head out. And Davis gives him credit for basically saving him and helping him become a good player and a decent man.

    Davis is a guy every team would love to have. I’d love the guy if he were a Hawk, and I respect him now that he’s a complete player and a by all accounts a great teammate and a good man.

    Talking trash about his attitude or sincerity is ignorant and pretty much just sour grapes homerism. Dude is a fine football player.

  114. sluggo42 says:

    I think Vernon is playing WR this year. I wonder if that is why they drafted their big TE…
    Can you imagine BB and Vernon going at it all game long?

  115. GeorgiaHawk says:

    How dare you SandpointHawk get off topic and bring up Seahawk football!
    How dare you! Lol.

  116. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I love that link on Percy’s take Sandpointhawk. Add Harper to the mix and we have a very good WR group.

  117. montanamike2 says:

    Vernon Davis is a stud, but he’s not on my team so all i can do is wish for him to run into Kam more. I hope the new rookie TE surprises.

  118. GeorgiaHawk says:

    However I wish Hasselbeck was our backup QB. Imagine the knowledge he could pass on to Wilson.

  119. montanamike2 says:

    Our rookie TE.

  120. HonHawksLSB says:

    I think Sherman is making a concerted effort to talk less trash in the media and save it for the field. They were really trying to bait him into talking about Harbaugh and the 49ers on NFL radio but he took the high road.

    He came across like he should come across, as an educated young brotha with a heart of gold.

  121. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Well I don’t know where they come from’
    “But they sure do come”
    “I hope they comin’ for me”
    “And I don’t know how they do it”
    “But they sure do it good”
    “I hope they doin’ it for free”

    “They give me Seahawk fever”
    “Seahawk fever”

    “The first time that I got it”
    “I was just fifteen years old”
    “I got it from Zorn and company”
    “I went to see the Dr. and ”
    “He gave me the cure”
    “I think I got it some more”

    “They gave me Seahawk fever”

    “Seahawk fever”

  122. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Ted Nugent Lyrics »
    Cat Scratch Fever Lyrics

  123. “However I wish Hasselbeck was our backup QB.”

    Me too, but I wonder if the aging Hass is better than the young T-Jack. Probably.

  124. SkeleTony says:

    Very glad that Hass’ is not in any way associated with our team anymore. Terrible QB.
    I agree with STTBM on all the Hernandez stuff. To bbnate420: You keep using this word “assume”. I do not think it means what you think it means.
    I think we all believe in innocent until proven guilty but you are performing an incredible reach by suggesting we cannot assess likelihoods based on the data we have. O.J. Simpson was never found guilty of murder but he is a murderer and anyone capable of rational thought knows this is as close to 100% certainty as we could ever get.

    Hernandez was a violent gangbanger. He is a person of interest in at least one other murder and is facing charges of attempted murder or assault in the case of the guy he most likely blinded. He destroyed his own surveillance system for a reason and that reason cannot be a good one. He was either covering for someone else who murdered or he was destroying the evidence that he murdered the guy.

  125. sluggo42 says:

    So, how many days/hours/seconds till training camp?

  126. sluggo42 says:

    On Hernandez,

    I always like the innocent until proven guilty concept, since I had an experience 38 years ago where I was accused of stealing something, quite petty comparatively, yet a few people were wishing me ill will, until the item was found a few days later. So until I get to see the story unfold, I will reserve judgement for now. Things don’t look good, but still…

  127. Dukeshire says:

    Sluggo – 27 days: camp opens July 25th. The first exhibition game is Aug. 8 vs. San Diego.

  128. sluggo42 says:

    27 days…
    How many things can we re-hash?
    How many players across the league will have an “incident”?
    Can the hawks remain clean throughout?
    How many internal insider cat fights will erupt?
    How many more political scandals will surface?
    How many more heat waves will swallow the country?
    Will the travon Martin/ Zimmerman case be over?
    Will Jodie arias be sentenced?
    Will pink Floyd reunite?
    Will I ever really understand midi…?

    27 days….. **sigh**

  129. sluggo42 says:

    I wonder if the exhibition games will be on the NFL channel?
    My bro in law lives in S.D., but good seats are fricking expensive. How long would starters even play in the first exhibition game? I would know all the back ups trying to make the team, and so I would probably enjoy it, but the wife… Eh not so much…

    Why do they have to charge so much for exhibition games…?

    Where is everybody anyways, are we desperate for a new thread or something?

  130. rramstad says:

    sluggo, if you went to SD in person, I bet you could get a ticket in the parking lot for $5 before the game. Maybe $10. Most season ticket holders don’t attend the preseason games and it’s super easy to get tickets at the Clink for preseason games, literally people are giving tickets away before the game outside the stadium…

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