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Morning links: Grandfather of the Seahawks

Post by Eric Williams on June 16, 2013 at 7:49 am with 31 Comments »
June 16, 2013 8:33 am
Seattle Seahawks owner Paul Allen, left, and former Seahawks owner John Nordstrom, right, before the NFL football game against the San Francisco 49ers, Sunday, Sept. 12, 2010, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
Seattle Seahawks owner Paul Allen, left, and former Seahawks owner John Nordstrom, right, before the NFL football game against the San Francisco 49ers, Sunday, Sept. 12, 2010, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

Good morning and Happy Father’s Day. One quick note: I will be starting my furlough beginning on Monday, so I leave you in good hands with my colleague Dave Boling manning the blog for the next week.

Speaking of Boling, he has an excellent story on John Nordstrom this morning. The former Seattle Seahawks owner is a regular attendee at team practices, always greeting you with a sincere hello and a handshake.

Boling’s meaty profile on Nordstrom provides some great back stories on the beginning of the franchise, and is a must-read this morning.

One of those back stories is the fact that the Seahawks initially wanted Bill Walsh to coach the franchise when they began in 1976.

Boling: “While (John) Thompson wanted (Jack) Patera as the first coach, Lloyd Nordstrom was a fan of a sharp assistant coach under Paul Brown at Cincinnati: Bill Walsh.

‘Lloyd got on a plane and saw Paul Brown,’ John Nordstrom recalled. ‘He wanted to get clearance to interview Bill Walsh for the head coaching job. But Brown told him, ‘Oh, you don’t want him, he’s a terrible alcoholic, we’re having all kinds of problems with him.’ Lloyd hadn’t been in the league before so he bought what Brown was telling him. It wasn’t true … (Brown) just didn’t want to lose him, and we never got the chance to interview Bill Walsh.’”

Mike Floro of Pro Football Talk offers his Mount Rushmore for the Seahawks in this video link – Steve Largent, Shaun Alexander, Cortez Kennedy and Walter Jones. I’d go with Kenny Easley over Alexander.

Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times provides a position analysis on the Seahawks roster.

Danny O’Neil and Tom Wassell of 710 ESPN Seattle share their thoughts on where the Niners-Seahawks rivalry ranks in this video link.

ESPN’s John Clayton interviews cornerback Richard Sherman in this audio link.

Ben Muth writing for Football Outsiders has a nice breakdown on the outside zone running play using an Alex Gibbs teaching video. Watching the Gibbs video alone, which I posted below,is worth checking this out this morning. Warning, this is Alex Gibbs, so expect some salty language.

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post has an interesting story on Dallas defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and his coaching tree, which includes Pete Carroll and Gus Bradley.

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  1. Eric the link to Boling goes to the wrong place.

  2. Blueshq: Thanks. It’s been corrected.

  3. Carlsonkid says:

    Great article about Nordstrom . Just the mention of that jack-wagon Behring makes my blood boil ; not surprised in the least to hear he lied to John about moving the team . I always thought the Nordstroms were terrific owners .

  4. Great article Dave. Looking around the league at what we could have, we are really fortunate that, aside from the dark days of Behring, the team has had fantastic ownership throughout its history. I really hope that the Hawks are able to get the Nordstrom’s and Allen’s a ring or four. And he’s right on, Allen needs to lock up PC and JS until the end of time.

    On the PFT bit, I too would have gone with Easley over Alexander. Great memories of watching that guy flat out play when I was a kid and the Hawks still had that new franchise smell. He would have been another first ballot HOF player had his career not been cut short IMHO.

  5. Is there a single one of us who hasn’t dreamed we could buy an NFL team and do what these guys do? Hands-on or hands-off, to truly be able to say its Your team?

    Trouble is, most of us would only want to own the Seahawks, of course. I’d have a had time Giving you the Bengals. lol.

  6. SandpointHawk says:

    Bravo Dave Boling, great article…

  7. Eric – well earned break- too bad it’s furlough and not Vacation!!!

    Dave’ s article is amazing!!! Great look into the Nordstroms history

    If you haven’t watched the Gibbs video you should – good to look at what they are doing and how things open up

  8. chuck_easton says:

    Voting was done primarily by fans who do not remember seeing Easley play because they are too young. They remember seeing Alexander lead the league in rushing yards and win an MVP.

    Shaun was a very good RB on a team blessed with the est o-line in football.

    Easley was the most dominant safety in the NFL during his short career. If he hadn’t been bitten by the injury bug had not ended his playing days too soon he easily would have been the second Seahawk in the HOF, we’d have three now, and would be a few short years from getting big Walt in as the fourth. Easley was that good and that dominant.

    Young fans these days only know what they see on ESPN and NFLN highlights. There is little knowledge of the great athletes that made this sport what it is now.

  9. Nordstrom never put enough money into the hawks, so they were hamstrung by his ownership. Behring was worse.

    I would have put Curt Warner ahead of Sean Alexander myself. I also would put Kenny Easley and Dave Krieg and John L. Williams ahead of Alexander, and I have been a staunch SA supporter. Krieg and John L. Played at a high level longer, and arguably meant more to the franchise. Plus, they never gave half-assed effort like SA.

    The problem with the Mt Rushmore thing is most fans are heavily biased towards the most recent players, especially since they never saw the older guys play. I saw ALL those guys play, so I’m not so biased.

  10. Alexander was a HOF caliber back, no question. But his selfishness and the way his career fizzled taint it for many. For 6-7 years, he was a top-3 back and one of the most exciting players in the NFL.

  11. chuck_easton says:

    STTBM,

    We will soon see on Alexander and the HOF. The stats are there for consideration. I just don’t know if he has the popular support by the national media.

    Eric, Sando, or which ever writer familiar with the Hawks that gets assigned the task of making the argument to the other HOF voters will have to do a heck of a sales pitch.

    I don’t see SA getting in on first ballot. His best chance is to come up in a year with a weak eligible class.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get in, but I would also not think it’s an injustice if he didn’t. He’s definitely one of those bubble guys.

  12. Hard to say if he gets in, but he’s definitely not first ballot material, IMO. I think he should get in, but not for years.

  13. raymaines says:

    My memory never was very good and it isn’t what it used to be, but what I think I remember about SA is him fumbling two or maybe three times in the last game of his best season and being on the sideline for the last few minutes of that game, then sniffing about being stabbed in the back and not getting a rushing record. Dude, try not curling up like a baby all season long and not giving the ball away all game long, then you can piss and moan about the coaches pulling you out of a game. And no, I don’t want his face on Mt. Rushmore.

  14. For the most part your memory was wrong on Alexander.

  15. SaigonSun says:

    Kenny Easley is the main reason for my affection switch from football to American Football as a sport of choice. That is how I became a Seahawks’ fan. In the old days I was mostly fan of the game but, since I have never rooted against the Seahawks, I realized that is my team. Go Seahawks!

  16. Sarcasticus says:

    I’d go with Knox over Alexander.

  17. Sarcasticus says:

    Let me just say that my two favorite teams are the Seahawks and the Crimson Tide…so double homerism, and yet I don’t think Alexander should be in the HoF. Then again, I am of the opinion that too many make it into the HoF. The HoF should be the best of the best, not the really good. You put Alexander in the HoF and you are saying he is up there with Brown, Payton, Sanders, Smith. No he is not and if you think he is, you haven’t been watching football for very long.

  18. Southendzone says:

    Alexander in the top 4 Hawks of all time? No way! I’d put all these above him:

    Easley
    Hass
    Curt Warner
    Fredd Young

    Maybe more if I thought about it long enough.

  19. Wonder what wouldda happened to SEA if B.Walsh was their 1st HC?

  20. PS Mr Williams, time to write a good Seahawks book, like “Personnel Observations By the Man in the Sweater Vest,” or something…

  21. Yeah, I’d put Easley and Hass on Mt. Rushmore before I’d put Shaun Alexander. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think highly of Alexander. He was NFL MVP in 2005. That’s a pretty big deal. He definitely belongs in the Ring of Honor. As for the Hall of Fame, I think he needed to play a couple more years to have a shot. He’s an almost-HOFer, like a lot of other good RBs: Fred Taylor, Ricky Watters, Corey Dillon, Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, Eddie George, etc.

  22. Southendzone, would you really put Fredd Young ahead of Shaun Alexander? Fredd played only four seasons for the Seahawks. If you’re going to choose a linebacker, then I’d go with Lofa Tatupu or Rufus Porter before Fredd Young.

  23. Kenny Easley getting snubbed from the Seahawks Rushmoore, or whatever this ridiculous monument it is that they’re building is an absolute travesty – especially if it means he lost his spot to Shaun Alexander. Kenny Easley was a 5 time pro bowler, and a 3 time first team all-pro. He is also a former NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Both he and Shaun were respected faces of their teams, but I think it is fair to say that Easley was more a true leader.

    I do not know that I would call Easley “the best” during his pro career, but there was a window of about three to four years where he most certainly was better than any other safety in the NFL – including the great Ronnie Lott. I am not sure we could say the same about Alexander in the thick of his prime. ’03 – ’05 was an amazing run for him, yet still, at any time during that period could we call him “the best” at his position?

  24. Southendzone says:

    I knew Fredd Young was a bit of a questionable pick. Didn’t realize he only played 4 seasons but I do remember he left sooner than he should have due to The Boz.

    Still though there are a lot of players who deserve to be there before Alexander.

  25. bbnate420 says:

    I think S. Alexander gets a bum rap, but I think he’s probably a near miss as far as the HOF goes. I think, like some others here, that he needed 2 have another good year or 2.

  26. bbnate420 says:

    He certainly gets more spit than he deserves for what he produced, IMO.

  27. freedom_X says:

    In what way did the Nordstroms fail to invest enough money in the Seahawks? Especially in the days before free agency? And compared to their peers?

  28. Wow, a Rufus Porter reference! Bruce Irvin must have watched old clips of Rufus, cuz they perform almost identically. One trick ponies. Hopefully Irvin will learn another trick this year!

  29. wabubba67 says:

    The Nordstroms came up with the money to hire Knox, trade up for Warner (#3 pick was more expensive than where they were originally in the 1983 draft), and sign Bosworth to what was at the time a HUGE contract (11 million over 10 years if I remember correctly).

    The only time that I can remember the Nordstroms not coming up with the money was when they refused to sign Moon to a contract that had guaranteed money….which they then tried to correct by signing Bosworth.

  30. wabubba67 says:

    I think that the Nordstroms also paid to move the training camp facility from Cheney to an upgraded facility in Kirkland.

  31. freedomx–Seattle had very low payroll the entire time the Nordstroms owned them, though since the Nordsrtoms were only part owners, they were also only partly to blame for that. The Skinner Corporation was also part and parcel with that.

    Read the book written by Dave Wyman and Paul Moyer about their time in Seattle. Wyman left, as he told Knox–who was pissed he left–because he could get 300% more pay playing in Denver ($1mill a year vs 300k) as he could in Seattle.

    According to them, the Nordstroms just didnt believe the players deserved more money and/or they didnt have the money to spend. While I am disgusted that guys are making 12-20 million a year playing football, the majority dont make even $1 million a year, and considering what happens to their bodies and brains, I dont begrudge most of them their pay.

    Seattle only became a destination-worthy place for FA’s and top rookies once Paul ALlen and his money–and his willingness to spend it–took over.

    Knox never had the money in payroll to build the type of team he wanted to win a SB. Wyman admits as much in his writing.

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