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Morning links: DTs Hill and Williams making an impression

Post by Eric Williams on June 14, 2013 at 10:33 am with 56 Comments »
June 14, 2013 10:33 am
Seattle Seahawks rookie defensive tackles Jordan Hill, left, and Jesse Williams, right, talk during practice drills at Seattle Seahawks NFL football Rookie Minicamp, Friday, May 10, 2013, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks rookie defensive tackles Jordan Hill, left, and Jesse Williams, right, talk during practice drills at Seattle Seahawks NFL football Rookie Minicamp, Friday, May 10, 2013, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Curtis Crabtree writing for Associated Press details how rookie defensive tackles Jordan Hill and Jesse Williams continued to make strides during the Seattle Seahawks rookie minicamp this week.

Each had a turn playing with the first-unit defense at defensive tackle this week alongside Brandon Mebane, as defensive coordinator Dan Quinn moved the two all along the defensive front in an effort to figure out where they can help the team come September.

“They fit in terrific,” Quinn said. “… Both of those guys have a real blue-collar approach to it, which you like. They want to come in and do the work. Playing defensive tackle is tough duty. It’s a dirty job in there and both those guys recognize that and put the time in and the work.”

Hill and Williams looked like they can make an impact based on their play during Seattle’s offseason program. But now they have to carry that effort to training camp once everyone puts the pads on.

Here’s my story on Tarvaris Jackson agreeing to terms to re-join the Seahawks.

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle writes that cornerback Brandon Browner is focused heading into his contract year.

More O’Neil: He highlights what we learned from this week’s minicamp.

Dave Mahler of KJR-AM talks with Browner in this audio link. Browner tells Mahler he’d like to put his hands on San Francisco head coach Jim Harbaugh after his comments about Seattle’s PED situation.

Clare Farnsworth of provides a wrap-up of Seattle’s final day of minicamp.

Rod Mar of offers photos from this week’s minicamp.

Jerry Brewer of The Seattle Times says to get ready for one of the most important and dangerous seasons in Seattle sports history, with the Seahawks facing lofty expectations in 2013. Brewer: “The next time we see the Seahawks together, they’ll be in training camp in late July, preparing feverishly for a year on Front Street. They’ll receive more premature love than they ever have, but they’ll set franchise records for scrutiny, too. Every little thing will be a big deal.”

NFL Network analyst Heath Evans believes a lack of discipline, demonstrated by the team’s PED suspensions, will be the reason the Seahawks take a step back in 2013 in this video link.

Pro Football Talk is featuring the Seahawks Mt. Rushmore today, which you can vote on here. Hall of Famer Steve Largent also will be interviewed today.

Jets head coach Rex Ryan said Kellen Winslow Jr. looked good during the team’s three-day minicamp, but GM John Idzick reportedly remains noncommittal in whether he will sign the outspoken tight end. You have to wonder how much Winslow’s release in Seattle last year, when Idzick served as the team’s chief negotiator, is affecting the decision in New York.

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated takes a closer look at how the 49ers may have tipped plays against St. Louis.

The NFL has a new bag policy to improve safety at games. The new policy will limit the size and type of bags that are allowed into stadiums starting in the preseason. Fans will have a few options for bringing smalls bags into stadiums. They only will be allowed to bring in small clear plastic, vinyl or PVC bags that do not exceed 12″ x 6″ x 12″, according to the report.

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports takes a closer look at the 2012 draft class, noting which players are poised to start again in their second seasons. Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner make the list for Seattle.

Morning links
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  1. Few things this year in camp will be as engaging as watching those two young DTs battling for a job.

  2. Carlsonkid says:

    Pat Kirwin , thank you Captain Obvious for pointing out that RW & Wagner “should” start again this year , LOL .

    I’ve talked to several who are upset about the new bag policy ; after having the bag under my seat stolen last year with my wallet and car keys in it ( and me standing 2 seats away talking to seat neighbors – ballsy move ) during the Green Bay game , I won’t be bringing any bags into the stadium anymore anyway . But I’ll bet the league would prefer I don’t forget my wallet at home !

  3. No backpacks will be allowed into NFL stadiums this year? Only clear plastic bags allowed in? Sounds like the NFL is becoming becoming afraid of gun violence breaking out in stadiums. That’s a sad comment on our times.

    Maybe no backpacks is not a big deal in Seattle, but I grew up in Buffalo, where we went to football games wearing parkas and long underwear and wool hats, with a backpack full of gloves, fanny-warmer cushions, coffee thermos, and a bottle of the hard stuff. Its not easy to sit in the nose-bleed seats up in the cold wind in Buffalo or Green Bay without being prepared. God bless winter football fans.

  4. Hawk Rushmore should be

    and Easly

    The fact that you could have voted on the 12th man is a joke.

  5. boucherm says:

    The bag thing is a big deal to my wife and I. We always bring in a bag with a blanket and a rain poncho for her, along with gloves and stuff. They already wave a metal detector and hand check bags. We won’t give up our seats over it, but may choose to watch more games from the couch.

  6. Southendzone says:

    Here’s my thing on the stadium bag restrictions:

    If you are going to do a search at the gate, do a MEANINGFUL search! Most of the time they do a pat-down, I have seen the wand metal detectors only a couple times.

    The CLINK pat-down is a complete joke. I honestly would not be surprised if someone could get a bazooka past the CLINK pat-down process. I’m kidding one bit here.

    Second, in addition to being meaningful, it should be as quick as possible. So why not the walk-through metal detectors like the airport, courthouse, etc? So simple and fast.

    I’m not too upset specifically about the new bag rules, but think it should be part of an entire package where they re-think their security protocol.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    Personally, I’m glad the pat-down is so casual: it’s unlikely I’d get through with my flask and or mini bottles otherwise.

  8. bird_spit says:

    Heath Evans..the has been that never was…

  9. Putting hands on harbaugh! I’m loving all of this! It reminds me of the WWF right now and I can barely stand the wait. For me it only makes the NFL more entertaining. The only thing that could make this better is if browner actually did have a chance at harbaughs neck! Awesome!

  10. Glad to hear the DT’s from this draft look good, but we’ll see what’s what when live hitting is allowed.

    Heath Evans was treated crappy by Holmgren and still holds a grudge that is blatantly obvious. He just never outplayed Mack Strong, who is the real reason Evans got cut.

    Besides, Evans went on to win SB’s with the Pats and Saints so his bitterness is pretty silly.

    I must say that Carrols lack of discipline through the Miami game last year bothered me. Let’s see what shakes out before we blame a lack of discipline for the PED’s; Redskins are high on the PED list yet Shanahan is known for his discipline, so take that Evans…

  11. GeorgiaHawk says:

    TruBlu- I agree with your Mt Rushmore picks. Anyone picking Alexander or Hasselbeck over Easley clearly was too young to see him play.

    If you were to put our whole secondary in a bowl and stir it around you may come close to what Easley was. The complete package.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t normally share a lot of personal things here, but I’m about to jump on a plane to Denver to see Derek Trucks at Red Rocks tomorrow night. Should be an awesome show. (Will also do some rock climbing while in the area.) Y’all keep the hatches battened. See ya on the flip…

  13. montanamike2 says:

    Lots of smoke from fires in the Denver area, hope you have a good time Duke.

  14. bbnate420 says:

    I’d certainly pay to see BB put hands on that prolapsed orifice Harbarf.

    Heath Evans is the poster child for football-induced brain damage. Watching Evans and Sharper “debate” on the NFL Network reminds me of watching the movie Dumb and Dumber, except it’s really not very funny.

    The cynic in me thinks the new bag policy has more to do with trying to keep contraband out of the stadiums than improving safety. I don’t bring a bag anyways. I’ll just continue to strategically hide my flask on my person. Then I only need to buy my 12$ soda.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    Thanks Montana. Some.time off will feel amazing. And whats happening in Colorado Springs is awful.

  16. Red Rocks is an amazing place. I would love to see a concert there one day.

    I think pretty much all of us who saw Easley play would have him on the Hawks’ Mount Rushmore.

    What about the Mount Rushmore of ’13? Wilson, Sherman, Lynch, and ET?

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Have fun Duke, and have a mile high brew or two.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Mt Rushmore 13 sounds good to me BobbyK.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Now I don’t have to hear the “Winslow fans pining for the Seahawks to sign him.

  20. tealskin says:

    I’m hoping in a season or two we will consider adding Okung and Unger to the list of greats.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Okunger deserves consideration for sure.

  22. Judging by the photo, Hill and Williams don’t need pads.

  23. sluggo42 says:

    Lem balony is too old to understand that technology will keep up with the athleticism of tomorrow. Pads and helmets will get smart. Football will only evolve as the players do. It’s way to big and the money is astronomical.

  24. montanamike2 says:

    GeorgiaHawk that line about dumb and dumber only not as funny cracked me up.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    montanamike2- bbnate420 Came up with that line about dumb and dumber. I do agree though that it was funny.

  26. Hope you got some good rock-climbing friends to go with there, Duke.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Welcome back Jackson”
    “Your dreams were your ticket out.”

    “Welcome back Jackson.”
    “To that same old place that you played about.”

    “Well some names have changed since you hung around”
    “But those dreams have remained and we’ve turned around.”

    “Who’d have thought they’d sign ya (Who’d have thought they’d sign ya)”
    “Here where we need ya.” (Here where we need ya)”

    “Yeah BobbyK teases you a lot but now you’re in the right spot,” “welcome back,
    Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

  28. I think you guys missed the point on the bag restriction. Remember the Boston Marathon massacre? That’s what they’re trying to keep you safe from.

    I’m in the military, deployed to the Middle East, so that kind of thing is a daily concern. It may be an inconvenience, but believe me, I’d give anything to be able to go to a game back home.

    That aside, I’m so excited about this season and about several of the team’s competitions that will be going on in camp.

    GO HAWKS!!!

  29. So long Jerrod Johnson, we hardly knew ya. Good luck and keep fighting!

  30. in Boston that would have been picked up by – 1 the bag search and 2 – the wand. Just sayin.

  31. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, thanks for the credit.

    Duke, enjoy your time in Colorado. Red Rocks is a great place to watch a concert and Derek Trucks is great. I saw Bob Dylan/Santana there in 1990 or so, but unfortunately I was a little too young to really enjoy it like I should’ve.

    Sluggo, I don’t know that football will be gone in 20 years, but I wouldn’t count on helmets or pads making the difference. Helmets protect your skull, not necessarily your brain. I think we football fans better hope that the ability to regenerate CNS tissue comes about rather quickly. With the advancements in imaging technology and more studies being undertaken that expand the knowledge of the damage that football does to people, the only available treatment right now is to pull the players off the field before permanent damage occurs. Once CNS tissue is dead, it’s dead.

    rgbuckl, the bag restriction won’t prevent a Boston Marathon type of incident, though it would likely be worse if allowed to happen within the more confined spaces inside the stadium. The bombs in the Boston incident were detonated out on the street. There really wouldn’t be anything that substantial to stop someone from setting a device like that off at one of the gates where a bunch of people are lined up to get into the game.

  32. Can’t wait to see the new guys when the pads go on – August 8th can’t get here soon enough!!!

  33. This fear of terrorism is tiresome. Life is full of threats. Among the biggest killers of us is car accidents. So, do we stop driving? We have had about as many people die from terrorism in the last decade as we have had from food poisoning.

    Just live.

    We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Some Limey said that.

  34. Southendzone says:

    Nate, of course the bag restriction won’t prevent issues outside of the bag restriction area. If backpacks are prohibited from being taken into the game, someone with a backpack outside the stadium will stick out even more than usual.

    When you’re headed into a Hawks game there’s plenty of police presence on the street (moreso than inside). After Boston I assume they are on the lookout for this kind of thing.

    Will restricting backpacks prevent a backpack delivered device from getting into the stadium? Ummmm, probably not 100% but it will help out.

  35. ruminator1 says:

    Oldslow–“some Limey?” FDR has been called lots of things but never heard that one directed his way. :)

  36. SandpointHawk says:

    Sorry to bring break the trance but…..

    FDR actually said “So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance..”

    Sir Francis Bacon (1561- 1626) who would qualify as an old Limey wrote in an essay ” “Nothing is terrible except fear itself”

    OF course in 1982 Oingo Boingo released a song called “Nothing to Fear (But Fear Itself)”

    This line is misquoted very often, but perhaps Danny Elfman should be properly credited…

    You can go back to drinking Kool-Aid now…

  37. raymaines says:

    Awash in blue Kool-Aid….

    Feels pretty good to have a backup QB that’s better than the starter in Arizona doesn’t it.

    Training camp starts in only 959 more hours, give or take a few minutes.

  38. sluggo42 says:


    I wont try to argue medical stuff with you, I was just thinking that they will eventually come up with some type of helmets that will somehow absorb a certain percentage of the force in some sort of collapsing sponge/nerf/gel/plastic junk/stuff that will regenerate back to its normal size a few milliseconds after initial contact. That way the skull wouldnt stop in one inch, but rather 3 inches (or so), which may be significant enough to reduce the brain jarring that occurs now…

    **disclaimer** I make no claim to have any real education about this field obviously, but, I have to believe the rocket surgeons of the world are looking deeply into this stuff…

    I assume there is also a 100% ban on all cooking utensils also –

    Somebody will soon build a clear vinyl backpack, I would bet anyone $.25 cents they are already in production somewhere…

    go hawks**

  39. Mant years ago, the NFL was considering helmets that extended down to the top of the shoulder pads. Still swiveled but was supposed to eliminate broken necks. Thing was it would have increased injuries manyfold caused by spearing. Like many things, improving one thing jeopardizes others.

  40. Right, Ruminator, somehow I was thinking Churchill. One too many beers, I expect.

  41. Oldslow I was thinking the same thing while looking at the above photo. Williams looks like he is fully padded in that shot. Dude is built like a tank.

  42. raymaines says:

    Who among us is an ESPN Insider?

    I’d really like to know who the other four teams are.

  43. So, the allowed small bags won’t fit a 6-pack – how about turning a coupla micro-kegs into a hat with a long plastic straw? Could you get in with that?

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Southendzone, my point was that there are large gatherings of people on the street outside the stadium, a la the Boston Marathon. I think a Boston type attack could still fairly easily be pulled off, with or without the bag restriction. I’ve been to many games. There are police out on the street, but I’d hardly call it a large presence. There are tons of places around the stadium. I doubt someone simply wearing a backpack will engender a response outside of the stadium. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe police will be using probable cause to search everyone with a bag outside of the stadium from now on? Of course, this ignores the possibility of someone planting something beforehand or driving through with something. And of course, someone could easily just walk up to a gate with an assault rifle and belt full of high capacity clips under their trench coat. I’d bet they would kill more than 3 people.

    I do think the bag restriction will likely make this type of attack at least somewhat less likely and probably less potentially severe. But I still wonder how much of the motivation was monetary versus safety? An attack at a stadium is extremely unlikely anyways. As Oldslow said, you’re WAY more likely to die from a multitude of things other than terrorism. Being scared of dying in a terrorist attack at a Hawks game is a bit irrational.

    Sluggo, I can’t say that some advance in technology won’t produce a helmet that will greatly reduce head trauma, I just wouldn’t hold your breath. The padding isn’t the problem IMO. Most of the brain damage comes from your brain rattling around in your own skull, either from a rapid deceleration or a blow that rapidly redirects a players’ head. Helmets don’t restrict movement of the head. They basically protect your skull from fracture. This should also reduce brain injury from direct blows, but it doesn’t prevent your brain from rattling around in your skull and sustaining blunt force trauma from this.

    Many brain injuries in car accidents are purely from the rapid deceleration and not striking your head against something, or at least that’s what I was taught as an EMT. One of my instructors said that you could expect at least mild head trauma from the deceleration alone in accidents that occurred at 30 mph or more.

    I’d put my money on people discovering how to regenerate brain tissue before I’d put it on them developing a helmet that mostly eliminates head trauma in the NFL, but I can’t see the future.

    P.S. The leather helmet was developed and the NCAA was formed due to numerous deaths in collegiate football, many of which were from fractured skulls/head trauma. I would presume that these deaths were due to players’ cracking their heads together and not rapid deceleration or the like. Helmets are effective at preventing skull fractures and direct head trauma. Football was more akin to rugby in those days. The forward pass wasn’t officially made legal until 1906, at the same time that the NCAA was being formed due to the deaths. There was no such thing as a receiver being rocked by a safety after running a route, a la Kam on Vernon Davis. They didn’t experience the kind of rapid deceleration that modern players will. Not to mention the size and speed difference of the players. And that greater safety equipment actually allows players to throw their bodies around with less fear of injury.

    “1905 had been a bloody year on the gridiron; the Chicago Tribune reported 18 players had been killed and 159 seriously injured that season.[4] There were moves to abolish the game. But President Theodore Roosevelt personally intervened and demanded that the rules of the game be reformed. In a meeting of more than 60 schools in late 1905, the commitment was made to make the game safer. This meeting was the first step toward the establishment of what would become the NCAA and was followed by several sessions to work out “the new rules.”[5]

    The final meeting of the Rules Committee tasked with reshaping the game was held on April 6, 1906, at which time the forward pass officially became a legal play.”

  45. raymaines says:

    The more difficult it is to get into a stadium the more likely a person is to stay home and watch the game on the HDTV, complete with cheap beer and snacks, a DVR machine, comfortable couch and a few friends. The NFL must get more from advertizing than ticket revenue.

  46. bsinnitt says:

    In most stadiums I’d agree, but there are some games at Seahawks Stadium (AKA C-Link) that have to be felt in person to understand. My Mt. Rushmore goes largent, tez, Easley, Walt, ET. I included ET because I think he’s the most gifted player on our defense and makes the whole thing work,

  47. bsinnitt says:

    The reason everyone doesn’t draft big corners and play press is because most teams don’t have a safety that can play cover 1 effectively.

  48. chuck_easton says:


    1. Kansas City
    2. St. Louis
    3. Baltimore
    4. Atlanta
    5. Arizona.

  49. SandpointHawk says:

    Happy Fathers Day blog mates…

  50. raymaines says:

    Thank you Chuck.

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