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Morning links: Expect more man coverage

Post by Eric Williams on June 6, 2013 at 7:41 am with 69 Comments »
June 6, 2013 7:45 am
Seattle Seahawks cornerback Brandon Browner (39) squares off against teammate Jermaine Kearse, right, during NFL football practice on Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, in Renton, Wash. Browner will be back in action with the Seahawks after serving a four-game suspension, as they face the Washington Redskins, Sunday, Jan. 6, 2013, in an NFC wildcard playoff game. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks cornerback Brandon Browner (39) squares off against teammate Jermaine Kearse, right, during NFL football practice on Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, in Renton, Wash. Browner will be back in action with the Seahawks after serving a four-game suspension, as they face the Washington Redskins, Sunday, Jan. 6, 2013, in an NFC wildcard playoff game. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

In my story today, Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn says his defense will be more aggressive in the secondary this season, with more man coverage for talented cornerbacks Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman.

Putting Seattle’s corners on an island more often will allow Quinn do dial up more exotic blitz packages to get after the quarterback and heat up the pass rush.

According to ESPN Stats and information, Seattle sent five or more rushers just 23.7 percent of the time last season. The league average in 2012 was 29.5 percent.

“We have a real style of how to play three-deep (zone) and man-to-man,” Quinn said. “So I think it’s no surprise to see the increase of that technique and style. It’s a culmination of really embracing that style and then having terrific guys who can do it.”

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle highlights a Richard Sherman interception during practice this week as continued evidence that the Stanford product can backup his talk on the field.

Clare Farnsworth of wraps up Seattle’s last OTA session of the offseason.

More Farnsworth: He notes that former Seattle running back Curt Warner visited practice to chat with running backs coach Sherman Smith and Marshawn Lynch.

John Boyle of The Everett Herald talks to offensive guard J.R. Sweezy about his continued development.

ESPN’s Mike Sando wonders if the potential for Chris Clemons to return for the season opener is offseason optimism or legitimate hope.

Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times writes that Walter Thurmond is finally healthy, and could be a surprise contributor for Seattle this season.

Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. gives Seattle an ‘A” grade for the team’s offseason moves. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this. Williamson: “Along with San Francisco, the Seahawks might be the best team in the league — and this offseason only reinforces that notion for me. Adding (Percy) Harvin as an explosive element to this offense is gigantic. When healthy, he is one of the best players in the league and he was playing at an extremely high level last season before being sidelined with an ankle injury. Seattle will get creative with how it employs him.”

Dan Pompei of The National Football Post reviews the offseason moves of the NFC West. He says Seattle signing Percy Harvin is the biggest offseason move in the division. Pompei: “They paid a dear price for Harvin, giving up first, third and seventh round picks. But despite the fact that Harvin can be high strung and unreliable, the trade should make Pete Carroll very happy. Harvin is an unusual talent as a kicker returner and offensive weapon. I call him an offensive weapon instead of a wide receiver because he is capable of so much more than running a route and catching a ball. Harvin can line up in a lot of places and do a lot of damage to a defense. He changes game plans. What’s more, he has an extraordinary will to win. If the chemistry is right, he can take the Seahawks offense to a higher level.”

Joe Fortenbaugh of the National Football Post says after 15 years the NFL’s instant replay system could use some tweaking, of course pointing to Golden Tate’s debatable, game-winning score against Green Bay as prime evidence of a sometimes-failing system.

Fox Sport’s NFL blog Laces Out gives Michael Robinson props for breaking the mold of behind-the-scenes footage in the league with his Real Rob Report.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland uses the premise of Kickstarter to create campaigns he’d like to see implemented in the NFL, including sending Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez back to college, and the construction of a Jerry Jones hologram so he can be hired as the new coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Fun read.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    That right there will improve this defense’s ability to get off the field on 3rd and passing. Those passive coverages Bradley would run drove me absolutely crazy. My god I’m happy to read this.

  2. Thomas

    We have at least five DBs who could start at CB for most other teams. Maybe six. We should see fewer LBs on the field on third down and more of these guys in. This especially makes sense since they’ve made little effort to bring in LBs with good coverage ability, other than Wagner. We could have some very inventive defenses on third down this year.

  3. wazzulander says:

    Apparently Dan Pompei missed the league office saying it agreed with the decision not to overturn the Tate TD.

  4. wazzulander says:

    correction Joe Fortenbaugh not Pompei

  5. SlickToxic21 says:

    There are few things more fun to watch than a team that can consistently put pressure on the QB! We have not had that here in a very long time…and I can only imagine how much that would increase our INT numbers!

  6. oh, and add Therold Simon as a guy who might soon join that list of CBs. Interesting that with all these good CBs on the team, they drafted another one, and showed no interest in drafting another LB who could cover.

    Agree with you, Duke, those zone coverages with the LBs in zone didn’t work well last year and we’ll likely see less of them this year with the way they are building this DB corps.

  7. sluggo42 says:

    Inspired by Georgia..

    Ground control to John and Pete
    Ground control to John and Pete
    Quit those PEDs and put your helmets on

    Ground control to John and Pete
    Commencing camp and playbooks drawn
    Check with Russell and may God’s love be with you

    This is Ground control to seahawk town,
    you’ve really made the grade,
    and the papers want to know who will make the team
    And it’s time to Win those road games if you dare

    This is John And Pete to ground control
    We’re stepping through v-macs door, and were playing in the most peculiar way
    And the Sherms are talking trash very much today

    For here, as we’re stocking talent league wide,
    Far above the rest

    Seahawk green and blue
    And there’s nothing we can’t do…….


    Tho we’ve traveled east for early games
    We’re feeling rather strong
    And I think our Seahawks know which way to go
    Tell the team we love them very much, they know …

    Ground control to Pete and John, your divisions hard, they’ll play us strong
    Can you beat them Pete and John, can you beat them Pete and John, can you beat them Pete and John
    Can you beeeeeee
    Yes we’ll dominate the niners
    Smear St. Louis toooo
    Cards will falter too
    And there’s nothing we can’t dooooooooooooo


    War hawks

  8. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’ve been waiting to hear them talk about being more aggressive. You have 2 lockdown CBs and a FS with a huge range over the top. They should be bringing more than 4 more often than they have in the past, especially in 3rd and 10 situations.

    It really is amazing the strides Sweezy has made from a 7th round DT to an NFL guard. No, he’s never going to be an all-pro, but he seems to be developing into a dependable backup for the forseeable future.

    I don’t mind the current instant replay rules and perhaps the NHL system is more accurate, but they use it only scoring plays, not potentially any play during the game. The biggest criticism of the last replay rules was that it interrupted the flow of the game. I’m fine with losing your challenges if you don’t prevail. It makes a coach think twice about throwing the flag for trivial or borderline calls. Instead, the league should think about better ways to get the call right in the first place, like perhaps a couple officials in the booth who can talk to the guys on the field about poor ball spotting and such.

  9. chuck_easton says:


    I know it’s early and the team hasn’t even had its first mandatory mini-camp or regular training camp, but…


    Team usually keeps 4 or 5 CB’s (have kept 6 in the past). Wow, Sherman, Browner, Winfield, Thurmond are as close to locks as possible.

    Try picking that possible 5th CB out of the other 6. Lane, Parker, Blackmon and Maxwell have all seen the field and played well. Simon is supposed to be a ‘steal’ where the team got him. Might not want to let him off the 53 (may not make to the PS). Only one on that list that looks like a sure bet to be PS or gone is Shead.

    Tough call.

    Safety is a little easier

    Jeron Johnson

    Thomas, and Chancellor are in. All four of the others have their strengths. But again which ever two of the 4 make it, they will have earned it.

    I’m guessing if the team keeps 9 DB’s it’s 5 Corners and 4 safeties. Even if they keep 10 DB’s I could easily see it being only 4 safeties and 6 Corners.

    Let the ComPeting begin! We may have our favourites. We may have our personal dislikes. But, wow. That is the strength of this team right in hose 16 names above.

  10. I’m thinking we’ll be keeping 6 corners do to more Dime packages.

  11. Last year we kept 6 CB and 5 safeties – I think this stays the same. Also staying the same is the safety group being Chancellor, Thomas, Maragos, Johnson and Guy.

    The top 5 CB’s will be Browner, Sherman, Winfield, Thurmond and Lane. The real battle will be for CB #6 spot, between Maxwell and Simon.

  12. rramstad says:

    Oddly, I think the biggest improvement in the defense may be the removal of Gus Bradley. Addition by subtraction. I always felt that the talent was being held back by conservative scheme… I guess we’ll see!

    So excited!

  13. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    i think lane looked real good filling in for browner last year. i see them keeping him .

  14. RDPoulsbo says:

    I see Lane as Browner’s eventual replacement. He hasn’t been that good in the slot, but he filled in nicely during BB’s suspension so he should be considered a lock. I hope Thurmond is indeed healthy, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. He’s a good slot guy that could be a cheap 2nd contract if he does though. In any case, it seems the team has already made him a lock for the season as well. It seems the last slot will come down to Maxwell or Simon and that’s only if they decide to go light at LB.

  15. It’s always nice to see some of the former greats like Curt Warner still being around the team every so often.

    With the talent we have at CB I am really happy so see that we’re going to see more man coverage.

    There’s no way, in my world (of which many of you are probably thankful you don’t live in) that Thurmond is going to be a “surprise” contributor this season. ***IF*** he can stay healthy, I think he’s our third best defensive back after ET and Sherm (and, yes, I know Kam is a good player). The way he stuck to Fitz like glue a few years ago and people also forget it was him who started over Sherman until he got hurt (again).

    To go a step further, I think/know ***IF*** Thurmond stays healthy that he could be the third best CB in the entire division. When I say this – I talk about the 2013 season, so I’m not factoring in that Browner will be better than him this year soley because he played in the Pro Bowl a few years ago. By all means, I do like Browner though. I just don’t think he’s as good as a healthy Thurmond — just like I never thought Spencer was a better center than Unger even though Spencer was the center and if Unger was “better” then he’d have beaten him out there.

    The amount of talent we have in the DB is certainly sick though. It’s an embarassment of riches that I love to be “embarassed” about.

  16. chuck_easton says:

    11 DB’s on a roster like the team had last year is well over the league average. But in this pass first NFL you need to be able to play nickel, dime…and what ever it is they called that crazy formation two seasons ago when they would have 7 DB’s on the field at one time with 1 LB and 3 D-linemen.

  17. I like the idea of the Seahawks blitzing a little more, but one of the great things about last years defense was its ability to avoid giving up big plays. One truism in football is the more you blitz the more big plays you give up.

  18. Whoever doesn’t project to make the final roster should be sent to Gus Bradley for future draft picks. Stash what you can on the practice squad, but just try not to let them go for nothing.


  19. I think with Bradley gone the D will be insanely better as well.

  20. chuck – yes, quite a roster this year.
    I’ll lay down an early guess on the roster. Way early, but with all this talent, I think only injuries are likely to knock some of these guys off the 53)

    Safeties -4 (last year=5)

    CB – 7 (last year=6)

    Defensive Line – 10 (last year=9)
    Avril (DE/LB)
    Irvin (DE/LB)
    (Scruggs – IR)

    Linebackers -5 (last year=6)
    (Avril, Irvin)

    Assuming all these guys make it to September healthy, this would allow more flexibility in bandit and pass rush packages, which (judging by the players they’ve been drafting and signing) seems to be where Carroll and Quinn want to take this defense.

  21. I FFFFF
    I F
    I FF
    I F
    I F

  22. montanamike2 says:

    I’m with you on how we’re a better team with Quinn instead of Bradley.
    Good job on the song Sluggo- i recognized it and laughed right away.

  23. ChrisHolmes says:

    “That right there will improve this defense’s ability to get off the field on 3rd and passing. Those passive coverages Bradley would run drove me absolutely crazy. My god I’m happy to read this.”

    Same exact thought here.

    Getting off the field on 3rd-and-long really was our Achilles Heel last year.

  24. seahawksteven777 says:

    I like that we are playing more man and blitzing more. However, we may be more susceptible to give up more big plays as we aren’t as passive anymore. It’s a small concern given the talent we have though.

  25. Stevos….. I am ok with what you suggest in letting SS Jeron Johnson go in order to keep one more CB (Maxwell). I think Maxwell has more upside than Johnson.

  26. “Exotic blitz packages”

    Crazy exotic. No tourism industry whatsoever. No major airports nearby. You have to drive, hike, and swim just to get to the place where these might exist. If the timing is not perfect, you may miss them. Some don’t even exist until the day they’re born. And when you look at them, breathe on them – Poof! They’re gone. They are Bigfoot. They are the Loch Ness Monster. They are only visibile to your third eye. Crazy exotic. Think Pangea or Atlantis or the place where Bodhi went when he rode his last wave in Point Break.

  27. Hawksince77 says:


    Let’s say you are right about Thurmond, and he is better (right now) than Browner (a possibility I consider credible). Despite Browner’s pro-bowl and status as a starter, wouldn’t it make sense for PC to start the better player, in this case Thurmond?

    And if that happens, let’s say Winfield is currently the starting nickel corner. Or maybe he’s not. In any case, you could kick Thurmond inside in nickel situations and put Browner outside. Perhaps that would be the best post-Winfield option.

  28. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    I love hearing this from Quinn. I remain completely convinced that had we played press man at the LOS for the final two plays of the Falcons game on all receivers (rather than allowing them to run freely to the easily found open spots in our zone coverage) there are several factors that would have come into play that would have produced an easy win.

    All of their receivers (and espcially Gonzalez on the final play) would have been at least five yards less downfield if they would have had their release from the line disrupted even a little bit.

    And our blitz on BOTH of those plays would have gotten home in time if their receivers were challenged at the LOS and had to adjust their routes even slightly. Matt Ryan got the ball out with less than three tenths of a second before he was going to be wrapped up on both plays. Any disruption of the receivers release and timing would have meant a sack, throwaway, or throwing to a man who wouldn’t have gotten to his spot in time to turn around.

    Gonzalez ran in a straight (f-ing) line and turned around to make the catch on the final offensive play. There was NOTHING special about what he did at all.

    All of the ‘he’s a hall of fame player’ rationalizations we’ve heard about that play are complete nonsense. Any starting or back up TE in the league could have run that route and made that catch.

    TG’s breaking tackles and getting extra yards after the catch, well that’s HOF stuff. But the catch itself was gift-wrapped and delivered courtesy one of the worst possible defensive playcalls imagineable: Let their players run anywhere and as far down the field as they damn well please and not challenge their route or redirect whatsoever. Every bit of that is on Bradley.

    And had we challenged (or even held) all players at the LOS, even if a catch was made it would have netted fewer yards simply by virtue of the receiver being five fewer yards downfield within the first 2 seconds of the snap.

    In addition, both ET and our corners would not have been drawn as deep. The entire field that needed to be defended within the first two seconds of the snap would have been much shorter. And therefore more conjested with or coverage. We showed over and over again throughout the season our ability to defend the red zone extremely well as the field of play tighened.

    If I am reading Quinn’s comments correctly, he is saying that our corners and coverage will challenge their receivers more in man to man and at the LOS. Which will in turn give our more ‘exotic’ blitzes the time they need to get home simply by virtue of route disruption and making it harder for the opposing offense’s hot routes to release off the line and come open.

    And if we put our corners and ET on islands more often, then it also means that we can stack the center of the field where we were most vulnerable on third and end of game passing downs last year.

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    Apparently, RG3 is saying “without a doubt,” he’ll be cleared and ready for Redskins training camp. I don’t believe it, but it does lend to Caroll saying Clemons has a chance to be ready by the start of the season.

    Did doctors and researchers recently come up with some revolutionary method of rebuilding and securely attaching an ACL in 6 months?

  30. bbnate420 says:

    RD, medical knowledge advances at an amazing pace. They say the wealth of medical knowledge doubles every 5 years. It will grow more quickly than that as technology advances. Also, RGIII was 223 pounds. I’m guessing he lost some weight after the surgery to. Plus, since the NFL can’t test for HGH yet, players could be using it to aid in their recovery.

    BobbyK, so who are you saying are numbers 1 and 2? Sherm at 1 and Peterson at 2 I presume. I do agree that Thurmond has the ability to be a better all-around CB than BB if healthy. I kind of hope they don’t showcase Thurmond too much in 2013 so they can resign him without having to shell out a lot of money.

    I think the Hawks keep 6 CBs at least. If everyone is healthy, I’d guess that it’s BB, Sherm, Thurmond, Winfield, Lane, and Simon.

  31. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    RD. it’s called steroids and other such drugs. your body heals amazinglt fact with the right encouragement.

  32. montanamike2 says:

    Other than Unger, i think all the other players on the Seahawks who made the top 100 list were ranked way too low and will use it like bricks on their shoulders this season. Lynch in the 90″s, Wilson and Sherman at 50 and 51! I guess we’ll have to have a half dozen 50+ point games in a row to get ranked higher.

  33. Montanamike I think you have Harvin and Lynch mixed up…Lynch has been named to the list yet. I do agree that it could be another chip on the shoulder but I personally think the Hawks already have set their motivation level on high and expect nothing less than a Super Bowl. It’s a mindset and everything I hear from them says that’s their focus…they believe.

  34. montanamike2 says:

    I guess you’re right on the mix up, thanks.

  35. bbnate420 says:

    Hawkfan, though you’re right about steroids and other drugs, there are many other factors too. Better surgical techniques, rehab techniques, etc..

  36. sluggo42 says:

    Cheat Carroll
    And on it goes.

    National love for the 9ers
    Pete at #15 in power coach poll

    This team needs no more motivation, and I assume they are more than slightly peeved.

    I see numerous +50 point games, and plenty of playing time for Quinn

  37. Sluggo, we’re just not used to others being so jealous of a Seattle team! Feels pretty good, doesn’t it!

  38. bbnate420 says:

    Off topic question, so forgive me. Would you rather the Hawks pick up Dennis Dixon or Nick Foles when/if the Eagles release one of them? I’m assuming they’ll keep Barkley since Kelly drafted him, and they can’t keep Vick, Foles, Dixon, and Barkley.

  39. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’d guess HGH. The human body accepting and the new ACL has more to do with it than any medical surgical advances. If I could have had access to HGH after my ACL surgery just a few years ago, I’d have certainly used it.

    You shouldn’t be bothered by what fans of other teams think. They are fans of other teams for their own reasons as you are a Hawks fan. Let them pound sand, it’s how you know they are worried.

  40. I have no doubt that Thurmond (when he is healthy) is a better cover corner than Browner. But there is no chance that Thurmond is a better press corner than Browner.

  41. chuck_easton says:


    It will be fun to see the fight for that starting CB job if/when Thurmond can finally make it through a season healthy.

    Don’t want to lose any of them. Don’t think we really have to worry about Browner asking for the big contract.

    He played four years in the CFL where a starting CB only makes about 60 to 75 thousand a season.

    Even the veteran minimum is ten times what he was getting paid in Canada.

    The scary one will be Sherm. The Seahawks can’t let that guy walk, but how much is it going to cost to keep him?

  42. chuck – Its probably early for us to be concerned about losing Sherman, but considering that Darrelle Revis’ contract is 6 years 96 million, I’d be very surprised if Sherman would easily accept less.

    In order to earn Revis money, Sherm is going to have to take another big step forward this year. If he has a good year, I’d expect him to test the market, and I think that’s why Schneider drafted yet another CB this year. This roster is building such depth that I don’t see the Seahawks being held hostage to anyone’s contract demands.

  43. oh, but of course Sherman can’t go FA until 2015.

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nate and Chuck, You need to chill and find some common ground. No need to degenerate yourselves for the sake of winning an argument.

    So glad I never got into it with another Seahawk fan here. Lol.

  45. OK, Bobbyk, you’ve really gone off the deep end now. Comparing Brandon Browner to Chris Spencer is a) wrong b) insane and c) one of the stupidest things Ive seen posted by someone other than yankster.

    There is absolutely no way in hell Thurmond will be a better player this year in any way, shape, or form, than Browner. While Thurmond is more agile and faster, he is not as skilled as Browner. Also, Browner absolutely dominated other teams top WR’s and as I have previously stated, was locking down his side of the field better than Sherman before his suspension.

    We have yet to see Thumond do much of anything in the NFL. He was starting over Sherm because Sherm was a ROOKIE! Suffice it to say that will never happen again–Thurmond starting over a healthy Sherman. Nor will he beat out Browner. His only way onfield is to beat out Winfield or get in on dime.

    I think Thurmond is a talent, but he’s all potential so far, while Browner has been kicking butt for two years. I cant begin to tell how how pissed it makes me that so many Hawk fans slobber over a never-was like Thurmond, and take a fine player like Browner for granted. Its asinine, IMO.

    Spencer started over Unger because Unger was a rookie, and the staff at that time was a bunch of idiots. Spencer is, was, and always will be a terrible player with not much between the ears. Meanwhile Browner will still be kicking but as one of the top 5 CB’s in the NFL IMO.

    And Browner being better and keeping his job has nothing to do with his Pro Bowl selection, which means little. He was even better last year yet didn’t make the Pro Bowl due to his PED use.

    I get it that you have a mancrush on Thurmond and want to have his baby. But try to make an argument that makes SOME sense at least.

  46. I would be shocked if Thurmond is a better all around player than Browner, esp in our system. He’s just not big strong or physical enough. And I remember watching him get beaten and chase WR’s far too often.

    I will believe it when I see it, and so far we haven’t even seen Thurmond play half a season without a major injury. Lets see if he can stay healthy before we anoint him the second coming.

  47. chuck_easton says:


    Not a problem here.

  48. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dam STTBM, Thurmond is really good if he can stay healthy. Perhaps better than BB.
    We will know soon enough, but no need to go ballistic on BobbyK for this.

  49. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I would pick up Nick Foles nate.

  50. freedom_X says:

    Hah, once again the “Bradley held the defense back” chorus.

    Who got the head coaching job, Bradley or Quinn?

    Who’s the head coach of Seattle, and what is his background and specialty?

    Why would the head coach of Seattle permit an assistant coach to run a scheme ill-suited to the personnel at hand?

    Why did Seattle have such a hard time getting a pass rush when they did send six or seven players? Is it possible it takes more than numbers, or “creativity” (whatever that is) to generate a pass rush? Like, say, players who have skilled pass rush moves and techniques?

  51. Hawksince77 says:

    I don’t know who the better player is right now – BB or WTIII. But let me pose this question: when will we see an established starter displaced with superior play (not injury)?

    On the one hand, you want to maintain the cohesiveness of an effective unit (in this case, the secondary). On the other, you are committed to allowing the best player play.

    If it’s even close, I would think the incumbent gets the nod. But what if it’s not? What if Thurmond clearly outplays BB? Or (god forbid) Michael outplays Lynch?

    Any example will do. At what point do we see this happen?

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Time for a drunk Football Quote.-

    “We didn’t have steroids. If I wanted to get pumped up, I drank a case of beer.” (Art Donovan)

  53. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, it was on another thread and it’s over, for now. I won’t bring it to another thread.

    STTBM, it’s just a prediction due to an analysis of his talent and play in a fairly small sample size. It might come to pass. It may not. No one can predict the future with 100% accuracy. His opinion in this matter is as valid as yours. He didn’t guarantee anything. He just said he thought it would come to pass if Thurmond is healthy. A lot of people here aren’t as high on BB as you are. I think he’s a very good player in our system, but I wouldn’t rank him as a top 5 CB. There is no completely objective way to assess a CB, so if Thurmond is healthy and plays 16 games in 2013 he may believe that Thurmond was better and you may believe BB was.

  54. RDP- They are using stem cells now.

  55. HonHawksLSB says:

    Excited to hear about the aggressive style of defense. Could get ugly out there for some teams in the NFL. Remember that Bills game. Yup!!!

  56. Play games already!!! but at least they get to hit a little next week – correct?!?!?!

  57. HonHawksLSB says:

    I can’t wait for the ATL game. Roddy White upset Sherman disrespected him on the top 100, and White went a little overboard with his rebuttal comments. Sherm is gonna have to play big.

  58. Quinn is 28 and Jerrod Johnson and RW are 24. RW’s QB performance should continue to gradually improve over the next six years, then just as slowly decline the next thirteen thereafter, provided the OL doesn’t give up to many sacks/hits. Performance improvement per year might average 5% per year, and age/performance improvement also varies between odd and even years (eg Matt Hasselbeck.) Where observed performance equals talent plus luck (or statistical noise,) that noise generally oscillates from one season to the next (regress to the mean.) WRs performance usually peaks at about age 27, is very close to peak at 24-30 and doesn’t dramatically fall off until 33-34. Tate and Baldwin are also 24, Harvin is 25 and Rice 26. RBs may start falling off some by 30, it’s noticable at 32 (10%.) Lynch is 27, Turbine 23 and Chris Michaels 22. M.Robinson is 30, and S.Ware is only 21, but FBs can maybe play longer than HBs(?) TE peak performance is about age 29. Miller is 27, McGrath is 25, and Willson is 23. Average big drop occurs between 30 and 31. The offense of this team has a fairly short way to go but a long time to get there.

  59. Sherman has a huge ego (and sometimes mouth)….. when his contract is up (and possibly before) he will want to be the highest paid corner in the NFL. I know we would miss him big time, but if we are lucky enough to have the depth that we have now, I would say let him go.

  60. chuck_easton says:


    The synic in me agrees with you. All indications are that Sherman is all about the respect and wanting to be recognized as the best CB in the game (which he’s close to being, if not already there).

    But respect to football players appears to be measured by how much they are paid. Sherman can’t really be the best if he’s not paid like he’s the best.

    But then I put on my rose coloured glasses and think, maybe he really is just having a good time with all the talk and the chance to stay on a very good team will outweigh the need to be the highest paid CB in the league.

    Here’s the problem though. Sherman’s rookie contract is up after 2014. So he’s going to want to be paid for 2015. Wilson finishes his third year of his 4 year rookie contract after 2014 so the first opportunity the team has to adjust his pay would be for the 2015 season.

    Just using those two I don’t see how the team can afford to give them both the big contract in the same year without gutting the rest of the team.

  61. bird_spit says:

    I tip my hat to GeorgiaHawk for providing another good start to my day.

    I put my trust in PC/JS…they probably have a plan ready to implement. They could also trade him for two 1st round picks. It’s not a bad position to be in.

  62. chuck_easton says:

    The one strength we have is the number of young, talented DB’s on this team.

    Nobody WANTS to lose Sherman. But as I said before if it came down to pay Wilson or pay Sherman the team has players that can step in and take over CB from Sherm. Not even trying to say they would be as good, but even close to being as good would work to our favour.

    Team has to pay Wilson. The QB position is the one true money position left in the NFL. The trend is the QB gets the 20mil a year contract and the rest is divided up as is possible.

    Wilson is going to get paid. He has to get paid. I don’t think you are going to see one person on here, even me who is pro-management when it comes to salaries, complaining about anything they give Wilson.

    Sherman may be a luxury. I like the idea of trying to redo his contract aftr this season. He will have completed the 3rd year of the 4 year rookie deal and is eligible for restructuring. If it appears that Sherm wants that big check and the team can’t or won’t break open the piggy bank, then I could easily see the team trading him for a few high draft picks prior to the 2014 draft. I won’t go crazy and say several 1st’s but you never know.

  63. bbnate420 says:

    Wilson will obviously get paid if he plays the way we think he will the next 2 years. QB is clearly the most important position. Teams don’t lose franchise QBs in their prime.

    I’m not sure exactly what Sherm will settle for. I think he will definitely want to be one of the top paid CBs. I don’t think he should expect to get more than Revis’ 16 mil a year, unless he wants to take no guaranteed money like Revis did. The more guaranteed money he wants, the less per year he’ll have to take I presume. I’m sure PC/JS have a plan in mind. I doubt they think Sherm is going to take 8 mil a year so he can stay here.

  64. Easy solution, Chuck. You extend ET and Sherm After this (2013) season, then RW after next season (2014).
    Rice, Bryant, Miller, and Clemons will be getting a year older and heading into high cap hit years.
    There will be cap room available because I have a feeling at least 2 if not 3 out of these 4 players will get cut.

  65. And just to throw my 2 cents in, I agree with STTBM. WT’s combination of natural talent and coverage skills is tantalizing, but he has not shown that he can stay healthy. If if’s and buts were candy and nuts… Show me. Its a what have u done for me lately, prove it league. If WT plays lights out, I would be ecstatic. But for now, and for the foreseeable future, BB is tougher, healthier, a better fit in PC’s system, and he will be the unquestioned starter.

    BB is a straight up thug, a mauler of wideouts. Remember how he rag dolled Pierre Garcon in the playoff game?
    Remember his unprovoked assault on Greg Jennings on Monday Night? Remember that hit on Welker? Now name another CB in the league that had a vicious hit like that. Not many safeties outside of Kam and Goldson bring the wood like that. I love that feisty attitude, and we need that ferocity to fuel our defense. He’s earned the respect and the starting nod by investing sweat equity into this team.

    I do like WT, so what I hope for him is to stay healthy first and foremost, and then challenge if not beat out AW for the slot corner spot. It is an embarrassment of riches when your nickel and dime CB’s could start for other teams and are quite honestly better than most other team’s starters. A good problem to have, if you ask me.

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