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Morning links: First day of OTAs

Post by Eric Williams on May 20, 2013 at 7:56 am with 60 Comments »
May 20, 2013 7:58 am
Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin, left, takes off on a route as quarterback Russell Wilson, right, drops back to pass during NFL football practice, Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, in Renton, Wash. The Seahawks are scheduled to face the Washington Redskins Sunday in an NFC wild card playoff game. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin, left, takes off on a route as quarterback Russell Wilson, right, drops back to pass during NFL football practice, Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, in Renton, Wash. The Seahawks are scheduled to face the Washington Redskins Sunday in an NFC wild card playoff game. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

The Seattle Seahawks are one of 29 teams to begin organized team practice activities, better known as OTAs, this week.

And as receiver Doug Baldwin notes below, the players are ready to get started.

The Seahawks will have 10 OTA sessions over a three-week period, which concludes with a mandatory minicamp from June 11 to June 13.

Four OTA sessions are open to reporters – today, May 28, June 3 and June 6 — along with the mandatory minicamp. We will have a report from today’s session up on the blog later this afternoon.

ESPN’s Mike Sando writes that the Seahawks lead the league in PED bans under Pete Carroll.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated has this to say about the latest Seattle player being suspended for violating the league’s policy on performance enhancing drugs: “I think the Seahawks’ six suspensions for positive tests in the last two calendar years — only five players were sanctioned, because Richard Sherman’s ban last year was thrown out due to chain-of-custody issues — will make the 2014 free-agent period and draft very interesting for Seahawks GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll. They’ll almost have to draft and pursue Eagle Scouts because of all the recent violations; Seattle will have to show it’s serious about acquiring disciplined and mature players.”

Danny Kelly of Field Gulls provides some detailed analysis on Golden Tate’s value to Seattle’s offense in arguing for the Seahawks re-signing the Notre Dame product.

Joe Fortenbaugh of the National Football Post notes that two Vegas sports books have revealed season win totals lines for 80 NFL games played from Week 2 to Week 17. He provides a breakdown on the best plays for the upcoming season.

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  1. Can’t wait to see how guys match up and who picks up on stuff quickly!

  2. bbnate420 says:

    In response to P. King, 3 of the 6 are gone or a bubble player, Winston Guy. And Guy supposedly was suspended for using a supplement with a banned substance, not Adderall. And I like Guy. I say supposedly because we really don’t know what any of them tested positive for. Another one, Moffitt, says that he just didn’t get his Adderall prescription cleared. Presumably, since he hasn’t been suspended since, he either got his prescription cleared or stopped taking it.

  3. FleaFlicker says:

    Eric, great link on the Tate article. Have to admit, he’s grown up a lot since getting benched his first game of his career.

    Although Tater Tot still leaves me scratching my head sometimes (i.e. lunging at balls that aren’t thrown for him), have to admit the kid is crazy good when he’s had the chance to plant his feet before contact [i.e. beating THREE Chicago defenders for that tying score last year]. Hopefully we can find a way to keep him, especially when you think of this stat from the Field Gulls article:

    “But what was absolutely nuts was that Tate broke tackles on 29.2% of his touches, which led all receivers by an absurd amount….Tate and Harvin are the two hardest receivers to bring down in the NFL.”

  4. bbnate420 says:

    As Sando said, 7 other teams have had 4 players suspended. The Hawks have had 5. It’s hardly like they have some outrageous amount relative to the rest of the league.

  5. Let it Rock!! I am going to have to see a practice this year. I really miss the Cheney practice those were just to good.I even parked my RV there a couple times. So much fun to watch the new guys and try to figure who will make the team.

  6. Wow, a football blog! Not a pharmacy blog!! Whoo Hoo!!!

    Go Seahawks!!!

  7. bbnate420 says:

    Great point about Tate, Flea. I hope other teams aren’t paying attention. The more I look at him on tape and his stats, the better he looks. I have a, delusional possibly, hope that he won’t draw a huge amount of interest as a UFA and the Hawks will be able to retain him after 2013.

  8. seahawksteven777 says:

    It really makes me upset seeing all the comments on PFT and ESPN on how the Seahawks are “cheaters” now. It’s really ignorant to say something like that just because a few players made a mistake.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    Peter King, as usual, makes almost no sense.

    I cannot wait to read Eric’s post practice report.

  10. bbnate420 says:

    Who cares what some idiots on PFT or ESPN think? Winners win, and losers lose. Last time I checked, the Stealers still won the 2005 SB. It seems that way at least every time they replay that 2005 America’s Game on NFL Network about the 2005 “SB Winner” Pittsburgh Stealers. Plenty of people think we got jobbed, but they still have the rings. No asterisk. They had the parade. We can piss and moan all we want, but they got the SB. It would be no different in 2013. There will always be haters. Especially for Southern Alaska.

  11. banosser says:

    I don’t think these suspensions will affect JS/PC’s style or targets in the draft one iota…

  12. juliusvrooder says:

    I love watching lazy reporters try to ‘force’ the people they cover to more predictable behavior. Sorry Peter: Carroll and Schneider do not take their orders from you, so you will just ‘have’ to get your lazy a$$ on an airplane and do the reporting.

    Besides, South Alaska is lovely this time of year, and there are plenty of nerdy libations….

  13. SaigonSun says:

    Listen, why should we get bent out of shape over what others think or say ! ? Everone that cares about football knows about the bias agains the Seahawks in our SB game; the only response I’ve heard is : tough luck – deal with it ! Belichick’s cheating scandal, dirty Jets staff, etc, etc. How about all the other players that have done “juicing”and won championships?
    Now, if someone comes forward and provides proof of PC/JS being behind encouraging or supplying the juice to our players…..then we’re in trouble. As it is right now, all of the other teams fans can kiss my big fat white……
    What a b.s. hypocrisy : you can have this with a prescription, but whacked with a HUGE penalty if you use it without a prescription. It is legal or illegal for ALL. This monkey Goddell got to go.
    Even worse, per upcoming H2 cable channel programme ( this coming Friday @10 pm e.t.), the greatest drug cartel in the history of this planet is…… : the CIA of the USA government ! Poisoning us for the last 40-something years, and yet none of them gets popped and put in prison. Enjoy watching it.

  14. SaigonSun says:

    Nate, sorry for posting similar post, I started typing before I got to read yours.

  15. yankinta says:

    Haters are gonna hate, that’s their job. Our job is to ignore them as True Seahawks Fans. :)

    I am worried about that Texan game though. Not only it’s 10 AM start on the road, now we only have 2 proven Pass Rushers and can’t afford any injury to our D-Line. Hopefully Clem will be back by then.

  16. Hearing reports that Portis was arrested for DUI. I know hes just a backup trying to earn a spot, but just one more incident to a team full of them. I’m really not liking this

  17. Ewalters7354 says:

    Pete and John should just threaten to kill everyone on the team who fails a drug test.I mean it is about discipline right? These players should be perfect and not makes mistakes right?

  18. chuck_easton says:


    Or they can just cut the ext one regardless of who it is? Same message sent.

  19. Ewalters7354 says:

    Right on chuck.

  20. Soggybuc says:

    While losing the pass rushers sucks I dont think it will impact the game plan. it’s still going to be stop Johnson, stop Foster and let Kam clean up the underneath stuff.
    Watt is going to be a bigger headache than their O.

  21. No one is perfect, and that is not what this is about. To me personally, it is just shocking that these guys are not learning from their peers’ mistakes. I’m concerned that if this doesn’t stop, these expectations we all have for this team will not come to be. THAT is why i am concerned about a 3rd stringer getting a DUI. Its not WHO it is, it is seeming to be a cultural thing around the VMAC. But what do i know, i could be way off. I’m just a concerned fan who wants to see this team fulfill its potential

  22. yankinta says:

    Soggybuc, if we get no pass rush, then their QB will have about 10 seconds to make throws. No Secondary in the History of NFL can stop receivers, if the QB has a lot of time to throw….smh

  23. Ewalters7354 says:

    I understand exactly.We both want the same things as fans I’m sure.But all the petty whining about Pete and John having to do something is irrelevant.THE NFL IS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Sorry fot the caps, but man what do we want these guys to do?

    Btw that was in reference to the previous blog.

  24. chuck_easton says:


    You mad, Bro?

    Sure sounds like it. Truth hurts. Seattle had the most positive PED suspensions in the league under Carroll.

    We as fans have to deal with it. We’re going to have to listen to all the comments from the rest of the country. If Seattle wins it’s going to be because the players cheated. If Seattle doesn’t win the comments are going to be how Seattle can’t even win with cheating. Either way it’s coming.

    I can acknowledge this. I can say we are beyond coincidence, trend, or statistical anomaly. There is an issue that needs to be fixed.

    Admitting there is an issue doesn’t make me any less a fan than you. Just as your minimizing, deflecting, and rationalizing doesn’t make you more of a fan than me.

    It’s here. It happened. It’s not going away. We deal with it. Each in our own way.

  25. bbnate420 says:

    Chuck, I think it’s you that’s mad bro. Still waiting for you to counter ANY of my points with some facts and logic. Still waiting! You probably can’t. That’s why your post is extremely general and doesn’t actually address any of the issues I brought up about your BS posts. It’s sad and transparent. I expect better from a lawyer.

  26. Come on, Josh Portis, are you that eager to re-join the Argonauts?

  27. bbnate420 says:

    And Chuck, I didn’t say that acknowledging whatever you believe to be the “truth” makes you less of a fan. I said if it’s enough to make you not a fan of the Hawks, as you intimated, then good riddance. And I mean it.

  28. bbnate420 says:

    Saigon, no problem, man. You don’t have to post something different from other people. Yankinta and you both had excellent posts. Mark that down. I may not say it again. ;-)

  29. chuck_easton says:

    Ok bbnate,

    Here’s some facts. NFL has been testing for PEDs since 1987. The 7 positive tests Seattle had had since 2011 under the current coaching staff are more than all the years combined 1987-2010 (23 years).

    Seattle has more suspensions for PEDs than any other NFL team.

    Oh, and here’s a nice fact for you right off the NFLPA website.

    Oh, I see Adderall listed as the first of the banned stimulants.

    And this list is provided to every player from their own association.

    So, again, why are you SO mad that Seattle players are being caught for doing something they know is wrong? That’s right because ts happening to YOUR team. Funny there have been no PED suspensions for the 49rs in that same time frame.

    I’m not mad. I’m saying there is a problem and the FO needs to address t.

    Where are your facts again other than this whole thing is ‘stupid’?

    I await your rebuttal.

  30. SideWalkHawk says:

    “Seahawks backup QB Portis arrested on suspicion of DUI”

    I’m curious what the rate is of people who drive drunk on any given day? Obviously, I’m going to assume that if a person is caught, they have a larger pattern of doing this in their life. 3 years ago a high school aged son of my friend was killed when a drunk driver plowed into the back of their stranded car on the side of the road. If you ask me, this should be a way bigger deal than the use of adderal…

  31. bbnate420 says:

    Apparently, you are lacking in reading skills, Chuck. Go back to the past few threads and read my retorts.

    Here’s one, it isn’t 7. Sherm won his case NOT ON A TECHNICALITY. As you were a cop, I would expect you could understand this. He DIDN’T win because someone forgot to read his Miranda Rights. He won because there were MULTIPLE, SEVERE violations of the testing protocol. That means that said test results were INVALID. If you don’t understand that, then you are either ignorant or biased.

  32. Jesus, here comes Bobbyk ranting about Portis again. And wow, how stupid can Portis be?!

    I too think Carrol bears some responsibility in this, but it is the players themselves who must take the vast majority of the blame. They are ultimately responsible for taking banned substances, and its ridiculous that it is happening so frequently, even after Moffit–who supposedly has ADD/ADHD and a legal prescrip for Adderall–was busted. I mean, the guy needs it, and he still got busted for not following rules, you’d think the guys tempted to take it who dont have a legit reason for it would have learned from his example. Or from the six others.

    And Irvin, bless his heart, admitted he deliberately cheated. No amount of rationalizing or moralizing the taking of a banned substance makes it any less cheating. Its still cheating. Do I think Adderall is less wrong than some of the other banned substances? Yes and no, but ultimately it gets the same suspension/punishment, and the players KNOW this.

    It doesnt matter that loads of players are taking PED’s, and loads are getting away with it. Its still up the the individual to train within the rules and keep their integrity (if they have any). It doesnt matter that Adderall is not the same kind of PED as roids or some of the others, its still illegal by NFL rule and these guys are deliberately ignoring the rules and now must pay the price.

    I dont like the penalty for Adderall, I think its idiotic to make the penalties all the same for all the PED’s–though I do understand the logic behind it, I just dont like it–but if the players arent willing to take the suspension, they shouldnt take PED’s. Hell, they shouldnt take PED’s period.

    And arguing about whether Adderall or any of the other banned substances SHOULD be illegal in the NFL is irrelevant to the argument that these players lack integrity and really need to learn from others mistakes. So far they havent, and that has become a big problem for the Seahawks and their fans.

  33. bbnate420 says:

    And Chuck, Seattle has 5 suspensions since 2010, since PC/JS took over. The Giants and Broncos have 4 each. NE, Texans, Bengals, Redskins, and Rams all have 3.

  34. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think the pass rush will be ok with Avril and Bennett on the team. It’s not like they’re chopped liver. It’ll be early in the season and they will be fresh and hungry to prove they are worth more than the contracts they signed.

    As for the PEDs, I’m not willing to call it a trend or anything close to an organized effort, but it is disconcerting nonetheless. If there’s a trend, it’s coming mostly from 1st or 2nd year guys on a team full of young players, so it leads me to believe it’s more of a problem with education than anything else. This is something from the team doctors down to Mike Rob as the team’s player rep should be focused on more closely when speaking with the rookies that walk through the doors of the VMAC.

  35. chuck_easton says:

    And as a cop bbnate, that is a technicality. If a driver gets off of his DUI convection because there was a problem with the test, a problem with the breathalyzer or there was a timing issue, it wasnt that he wasnt drunk. It was because it couldn’t be proven he was.

    Same with Sherman. If you want to believe that Sherman didnt actually test positive but an error in the process meant that the sample was made invalid, that is your choice.

    So what you want to believe is that Sherman was actually innocent and that urine that tested positive came from somewhere else? Fact, there was a positive test. Fact it was found in a urine sample submitted by Sherman. Fact, due to a handling error the league couldn’t prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the positive urine sample collected from Sherman was not somehow contaminated. That is a technicality. Nowhere does it say Sherman wad innocent, just that they couldn’t prove the guilt.

    Back to you.

  36. Interesting that Schneider isnt surprised about the PED’s. Kind of points to the hyper-competitiveness in the NFL, and specifically in Carrols “always compete” philosophy. It just adds to the pressure already inherent in finding and keeping an NFL job.

    Im not blaming Carrols philosophy for the PED use, but as I said, its another stressor. Players must be able to keep their integrity, as I have also said, and withstand the pressure to cheat. Thats all part of being mentally tough, a requirement for any long-term NFL career.

    Ultimately, I believe cheating hurts the cheater the most in the end. Short-term benefits, long-term consequences. But tell that to the ones getting away from it, or to the guy who narrowly lost his job on the straight and narrow who watched a cheater take his job.

    Its a complicated issue, but it ultimately boils down to the fact that players are responsible for what is in their bodies.

  37. Dukeshire says:

    You know, I’m more pissed at Irving failing a drug test because it has spawned 3 successive threads here that are both worthless and mind-numbing (no offense meant to anyone in particular). Come on, Eric. That practice report can’t get here soon enough…

  38. what if they fined and cut everyone who ever took banned supplements…
    and then there was no one left to play the game…
    except for Tim Tebow and a bunch of slow skinny guys…

  39. bbnate420 says:

    Chuck, seriously? Have you ever heard of the presumption of innocence? I believe they have it in Canada. It’s not on Sherm to prove he’s innocent. It’s on the accuser to PROVE he’s guilty. It had nothing to do with a timing issue. It had nothing to do with making sure his mouth was clear before taking a breathalyzer, or anything like that. If the sample could easily be contaminated as if you use another, UNSEALED cup to reinforce a leaky bottom, then it has no credibility. These protocols are there for a reason. These tests aren’t 100% under the best of circumstances, much less when it’s all effed up.

    In the Western world, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty to implement a criminal penalty. I could claim you like to chop the heads off of dogs. Or anything else as heinous or worse. You can’t prove you’re innocent, even though I can’t prove your guilt. I guess we should just assume whatever BS accusation I choose to level about you is true?

  40. I want Golden Tate to stay here and not end up in Jax so bad it hurts.

    Great GIF’s and analysis on Tate from Field Gulls. I cant believe I just said the words “great”, “analysis” and “Field Gulls” in the same sentence lol!

  41. bbnate–Dude, youre getting all wiggy again about the court thing. Look, dude, LEGALLY, as in A COURT OF LAW, there is the presumption of innocence. As in OJ and a million others, the failure of the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt does not necessarily mean the proving of innocence.

    Its ridiculous to think people should hold their personal opinions to that standard. If you did that, I firmly believe you’d be one naive dude in real life, and end up getting hosed in life quite a bit.

    To refuse to form an opinion before the courts decide, and then to base your opinion solely on the outcome of the court decision would be insane, IMO.

    With Sherm, he wasnt found guilty because the test was totally flawed. It wasnt legal to bust him, and we’ll never know for sure if he really did have PED’s in his system. But all the info we have to go on says he may have. He wasnt proven innocent, nor was he found guilty. Its a wash.

    Dukeshire–Some commments may be mind-numbing and/or worthless, but thats a value judgement, not a fact. I think the issue of PED’s in sports is both topical and germane. Thats fine you dont agree, but dont go appointing yourself arbiter thread evaluation. You are entitled to your opinion, minus the labeling.

  42. chuck_easton says:


    I’m not going to argue with yu. You want to believe that Sherman didn’t provide a positive sample and that the positive sample came from somewhere else. That’s your choice.

    From a legal standpoint that is a situation where the incriminating evidence is inadmissible due to a procedural error. And as you said yourself nowhere does that prove Sherman is innocent, just that the league can’t prove guilt.

    That is the definition of having the charge dropped on a technicality.

    So you lose your argument and I am done with you. Continue to live in that fantasy world where your heroes do no wrong despite all the evidence to the contrary. I will continue to live in reality that says there is an issue that needs to be addressed.

  43. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, he may have. He may have not. I’m not arguing that. But if you believe he did, it’s not based on fact or science, that’s all I’m saying. You’re entitled to believe whatever you want. Doesn’t make it true. Same with anything that anyone else or myself wants to believe.

    I could claim anyone here may or may not have done anything with as much actual evidence. I’d guess most wouldn’t like it. Comparing the OJ case to Sherm’s is ignorant IMO. There’s no where near the same amount of evidence. And if the LA CSI had done their job and DNA tested the blood on top of Nicole, OJ very well might be away for life.

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Whatever, Chuck. You must’ve been a great cop considering that you think it’s the citizens’ job to prove their innocence, not the police departments’/DA offices’ job to prove their guilty. You obviously don’t know anything about drug testing. Enjoy your “reality”. I’m done.

  45. bbnate420 says:


  46. bbnate–I had a response typed, but this crappy website ate it. It told me Im posting too rapidly, yet it was my first comment in almost an hour. Then I post three comments in 10 minutes on another thread, and all go through…

    It only eats the loooong ones lol!

    Maybe I’ll re-write it later. Im sure your dying for my response lol! ;p

  47. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I’m done for awhile.

    BTW, when it does that posting too rapidly BS, go up and refresh your page until it posts. It should post it. If you go back, it won’t.

  48. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, I do wait with bated breath for your responses. ;-)

    No really, even if we disagree regularly and have locked horns some times, I appreciate your banter.

  49. bbnate–I tried the refresh thing a couple times. This time it didnt work.

    Damn, and it was a good one too.

    I almost always enjoy discussing and arguing stuff with you as well. The horn locking just comes with the territory, no worries.

  50. chuck_easton says:

    And bbnate, the presumption of innocence in the law has been misinterpreted by lay people.

    The actual meaning coming right out of the Bill of Rights is that a person cannot be punished for a crime until such time as they have been found guilty by a judge or jury of their peers.

    That has come to be interpreted that a person is automatically innocent unless the prosecutor can prove guilt. That is wrong. It means that the person can’t be punished until the prosecutor can prove guilt.

    As a cop there were times when I had to tell the victim, you know he did it, I strongly suspect he did it, but if I’m going to arrest him show me something that can be used to prove he did it.

    There is a presumption of innocence and no punishment can be meted until the person is found guilty. That doesn’t mean they are innocent. The officer makes the arrest on the presumption a crime has been committed. The DA lays charges based on the existence of evidence that could lead to a finding of guilt. It’s the judge and/or jury that determines if the accused is guilty or not guilty. The judge and/or jury doesn’t find the accused innocent or not innocent, they find the accused guilty or not guilty.

    My last comment on the Sherman matter is there was a positive test found in a sample given by Sherman. Thus by providing a positive sample Sherman was not innocent. There was enough evidence to move forward. When the matter came to the appeal stage there was a question as to the validity of the sample due to mishandling in the collection process.

    So Sherman was not found innocent, he was found not guilty due to a potentially contaminated sample. So in a case like this the onus on the accused to provide a positive defence. Note Sherman didn’t have to prove the sample was contaminated, he merely had to prove there was a possibility that the sample COULD be contaminated.

    This is why a drug test is exactly like a blood alcohol test. Absent any argument by the defence as to why the evidence provided by the prosecution ( positive PED sample, BAC over legal limit) should be ruled invalid then there is a finding of guilt.

    Sherman was successful on appeal because he was able to have the evidence of a positive PED sample thrown out. He did not prove that there wasn’t a positive sample in the first place because it did indeed exist.

    There now. That is how a cop/lawyer is going to determine that Sherman was indeed not innocent but was not guilty on a technicality.

    Hope that explains where I’m coming from. I love to debate with you but I don’t want to make it personal. I just have a different perspective based on my police and law training.

  51. bbnate420 says:

    Chuck, I wanted to leave it alone. I’m sorry if I made it personal. I probably did, but I don’t back off the crux of my argument at all. You’re right that Sherman didn’t prove his innocence, whatever that means. We obviously have different ideas of a technicality. I’ve tried to sway you. You’ve tried to sway me. I’m guessing neither has worked.

    And I understand what is meant by the Bill of Rights and what you’re saying. Someone being found innocent doesn’t mean they are. Anyone can presume someone found guilty is innocent and the reverse. But a scientific test like a drug test isn’t the same as a jury verdict. These drug tests aren’t 100% at best. That doesn’t mean I think they don’t have validity if performed correctly. But when major violations in the test are made, I, and many many others, believe that it makes it scientifically invalid. Not just judicially invalid. I don’t think you agree, but that’s okay. We can just leave it at that. I don’t think I will convince you of any different. I’m 99% sure you won’t significantly sway me.

  52. sluggo42 says:

    So Nate, why aren’t you calling everyone names in here, or do you reserve that just for me?

  53. bbnate420 says:

    Cuz, you’re special, honey!

  54. Cant we all just get along?!

  55. SandpointHawk says:

    Can’t we just hire Lance Armstrong as conditioning coach?

  56. juliusvrooder says:

    I think we already did…

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