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An update on Marshawn Lynch’s DUI case

Post by Eric Williams on May 1, 2013 at 1:06 pm with 39 Comments »
May 1, 2013 1:06 pm

There have been some questions on the blog about Marshawn Lynch’s pending DUI case in Alameda County, in the Bay Area.

Specifically, there’s been some hand-wringing among the Seahawks’ faithful, with Seattle drafting Texas A&M running back Christine Michael in the second round that Lynch could possibly face a suspension in the upcoming season, depending on his outcome in court.

So drafting Michael could be a sign that the Seahawks wanted to protect themselves.

According to Teresa Drenick, assistant district attorney for the Alameda County District Attorney’s office, Lynch has a May 22 court date for a motion to suppress evidence and a motion to dismiss the case.

Another date to keep in mind is June 21, when the case is set to go to a jury trial.

Lynch, 26, was arrested by the California Highway Patrol early Saturday morning on July 14 when a police officer observed him driving north on Interstate 880 in Oakland, weaving in and out of lanes in a white Ford van, and nearly colliding with two cars.

After failing a preliminary sobriety test, Lynch was taken into custody and transported to the Alameda County Sheriff department’s north county jail in Oakland. Lynch submitted to a breathalyzer test, and the test came back positive that his blood alcohol content level was over the state’s legal limit of 0.08.

The Alameda County District Attorney’s office filed charges against Lynch for driving under the influence of alcohol on Wednesday, July 18.

Lynch pled not guilty to charges of allegedly driving under the influence of alcohol in Alameda County Superior Court last August, according to his attorney Ivan Golde.

I also wanted to provide an update on Leroy Hill’s court case.

Hill 30, Hill was arrested by the Issaquah police on domestic violence offenses of unlawful imprisonment and third degree assault in January. The incident was Hill’s fourth run-in with the law since 2009.

It’s been three months, and the King County Prosecutor’s office has yet to decide whether or not to move forward with charges on Hill.

Hill remains a free agent, and has not signed with another NFL team. Seattle gave Hill’s No. 56 jersey to free agent addition defensive end Cliff Avril.

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  1. FleaFlicker says:

    Off-topic, just wanted to say “thanks” to Eric D Williams for his great draft coverage this last week.

  2. Stevos says:

    Another good reason to have drafted Christine Michael. But as long as Marshawn continues to give 100% on the field they way we’ve seen him do, I’m not too worried about this off the field stuff.

  3. Stevos says:

    Great interview with Claire Farnsworth on the radio today. He said that the quarterback room at the VMAC now carries the sign “Office of Russell C. Wilson” because Wilson pretty much ‘lives there’.

    He also said Brady Quinn seemed like a good fit to work with Wilson since he loves watching tape and game prep too. The first day Quinn arrived Russell began reviewing tape with him and teaching him the offense.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    Thanks Eric.

  5. doubledink says:

    Eric, just so you know, between ESPN’s #bloggermock, your first round mock and my own prestigious first round mock, you scored the highest (117 points)on my new First Round Mock contest. I was 2nd with 103 points and the blooggermock scored a measly 85.

    Another one for the trophy room.

  6. Opiewon says:

    As long as lynch can get this court matter handled in the offseason, I don t believe this will offect the hawks. Assuming the suspension will be handed out not long after sentencing, the suspension should occur during the beginning of the season. Gaining momentum at the end of the season is the important thing.

    Honestly, I’d love to watch RW carry his team without a pro bowl RB. Not that our back up RBs aren’t good but, it would be nice for the east coast bias against RW.

  7. Losing Lynch for 4 games would suck, period. I hope the fool has learned his lesson. Regardless of whether his expensive lawyer gets his charges reduced or dropped, the guy needs to realize driving drunk is just not acceptable. To even be close to that level when you have more than enough money to hire a driver is the height of selfishness.

    At least he’s kept his nose mostly clean since becoming a Hawk. I was against signing him, but Ive been a big fan of his onfield play since his first game vs the Raiders. And in what little we see of him, he seems like a goofy nice guy. I hope he keeps out of trouble from here on out.

    Turbin and Micheal can handle the load, but there will still be a dropoff. I too would like to see Wilson step up and have 4 straight 300 yard games (and four wins) if Lynch is suspended. I think it will be good for our WR’s and Wilson to have to step up and carry the load–baptism by fire. I sure hope, if it comes to that, that they all do well.

  8. doubledink says:

    I don’t know what east coast bias against RW you have seen, but I’ve seen only a love-fest shower on this guy. They can’t seem to get him on TV enough. But maybe I missed something.

  9. Opiewon says:

    Any east coast biased that thinks any other rookie QB might be better than RW. I’d just like the proof that he can win through the air consecutively in the NFL. For argument sake. I strongly believe he can.

  10. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    good write up on most of the newer draftees, the tape on ware is unbelievable.

  11. Skavage says:

    Off topic, but hey that’s what I do best! :)

    Was reading PFT and thinking about our roster and it seems to me there are two, maybe three guys on the PFT “All Unemployed Team” that could be a real asset to our team this year. They aren’t likely to be around more than one year but they would be good, realtively cheap vets that could be excellent situational players for us.

    Dallas Clark – Beyond Zach Miller and Anthony McCoy it doesn’t feel like there is much there. Maybe as Eric noted McGrath has quiet hands like Dallas Clark, but having the real guy for one year might be worth a shot. And if done right and he doesn’t make the cut…well cut him!

    Second I’d like to see us take a shot at Dwight Freeney. I think if he gets back to his comfort zone in a 4-3 he could add a lot to a talented D-line rotation. Especially if Clemons is not 100% right away. And who knows he could have an 8 to 12 sack season left in him. Think of all the fresh legs we’d have to rotate through the line situationally.

    And Lastly, maybe Nick Barnett. He brings versatility by being able to play inside or outside. I’m not sure how much speed he has but again, he could be a good insurance policy and if he doesn’t make it, let him go in August. And yes, this pick is my way of saying I have very little confidence that Bruce Irvin can make the transition to OLB. It probably sounds funny but I think Irvin is too small. He doesn’t seem to be really strong and I personally don’t think he is a great tackler.

  12. Skavage says:

    Oops, neglected to include the link to the PFT article.

  13. FleaFlicker says:

    Skavage, last I saw on NFL Network, Freeney is looking for an Osi type of deal [$8 million / 2 yrs].

    Don’t think we have the cap for that.

  14. Skavage says:

    @FF – Yup I seem to recall reading that also. But the more time moves on the more likely he’ll take much less. And I think we can still absorb a 1 yr at 3M maybe?

    But your comment brings up another question maybe someone here can explain. Last I remember we were around 7M under the cap. With all the funny money cap tricks and such, where do we really stand in terms of available space for one, our new draftees, and two, any leftovwer FA’s?

  15. osbrey says:

    Eric, speaking of Hill #56 given to Averil,the seahawks that are signed to the active roster have been practicing OTA’S for two days and today were assigned Team Numbers today! any reason for no coverage?

  16. WilliamPercival says:

    And thank you very much Eric!!!

    It only took one day after I ask the Q on Marshawn news and how much this possibility could have played into michaels/ware picks and you come through with this.. I’m impressed.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    The rookies were assigned numbers today.

    Draft Picks:

    #33 – RB Christine Michael, Texas A&M (College #33)
    #97 – DT Jordan Hill, Penn State (College #47)
    #17 – WR Chris Harper, Kansas State (College #3)
    #90 – DT Jesse Williams, Alabama (College #54)
    #34 – CB Tharold Simon, LSU (College #24)
    #82 – TE Luke Willson, Rice (College #82)
    #44 – FB Spencer Ware, LSU (College #11)
    #62 – G Ryan Seymour, Vanderbilt (College #62)
    #58 – LB Ty Powell, Harding (College #9)
    #66 – G Jared Smith, New Hampshire (College #90)
    #73 – T Michael Bowie, Northeastern State (College #61)

    Undrafted rookie free agents:

    #2 – WR Matt Austin, Utah State (College #4)
    #78 – T Alvin Bailey, Arkansas (College #67)
    #93 – DE Kenneth Boatright, Southern Illonois (College #54)
    #47 – LB Ramon Buchanan, Miami (College #45)
    #46 – LB John Lotulelei, UNLV (College #55)
    #7 – SS Ray Polk, Colorado (College #7)
    #65 – G Jordon Roussos, Bowling Green (College #73)
    #38 – RB Dominique Whaley, Oklahoma (College #8)
    #45 – LB Craig Wilkins, Old Dominion (College #12)

  18. Southendzone says:

    I swear there was some kind of NFL loophole where you can just say you have an alcohol problem, get into a rehab program and avoid any suspension. This just may be my beer addled brain but I think Chris Mortensen said something about it last year.

  19. ChrisHolmes says:

    I feel the need to interject reality into this conversation (dammit).

    “the guy needs to realize driving drunk is just not acceptable”

    Listen, I understand this sentiment. I really do. And it’s the law and that’s that. It really is not acceptable.

    But that’s not reality.

    But here’s reality: People go out every night, drink a bit, and have no idea what their blood alcohol level is. And they drive home. They THINK they’re okay. A lot of the time, these people are. But sometimes they ar not.

    I know. I’ve been one of these people.

    I drove home from a party once, onto a military base (where I worked a Top Secret security clearance job), and I was drunk with a girl in my passenger seat.. I was young and naive. I didn’t realize how much I’d been drinking and I didn’t feel drunk. But looking back, I know now if I’d have taken a breathalyzer test, I’d have failed.

    The MP at the gate smelled alcohol on my breath and knew I’d been drinking. And he did something I’ll never forget: he let me go. He said (paraphrasing): “Don’t ever do this again. Go straight to your dorm.”

    He gave me a break. It was the only one I ever needed.

    I never drove that drunk again.

    But I know,since then, I’ve driven after a few drinks, and honestly, I have no idea what I would have “blown” on a tester. I never drive “drunk”, IMO, but who knows what I really would blow?

    Drinking is a socially acceptable part of our culture. It’s easy to think you’re “okay” when you’re not, and get behind the wheel. Yes, I can agree with any argument that says “Hey, athletes are millionaires and they should just pay for a cab”. You’re right. They should.

    But it’s easy to think you’re okay. That’s what I’m trying to say.

    I don’t condone Lynch’s DUI. But I understand it. It’s reality. It happens every day. It has happened recently to people I know and care about. It’s just unfortunate, because they don’t know they’re that drunk. They don’t think they are impaired.

    Maybe bars should have a breathalyzer available so you know if you need to take a cab home….

  20. montanamike2 says:

    There was a period when i was depressed after a painful divorce, after work i’d go have a few pints, the next morning i’d wake up in bed. I stopped doing this and found something to put all my efforts in and learned at an early age before it became a bigger problem. Six months of my life where i don’t remember how i got home, car was always parked, keys were always there but the rest is a blank, thank God i never killed anybody! If you’re going for a DUI it would be wise to get one in Montana, some people are in the paper for 8-12 DUI’s!
    A friend of mine was really bad and got his first after he hit a pole and landed in a ditch. He was slapped with a small fine and had to go to about 10 classes. I remember it being more serious on the coast.
    Why can’t these millionaire players find someone to drive them around when they’re partying? I know fans that would do it all night just for an autograph or a picture.

  21. ChrisHolmes–Yes, its easy to be .08 or above and not realize it. Thats why the culture–esp in Montana–of drinking and driving being acceptable needs to change. Its not acceptable.

    They can give you a DUI for blowing under the legal limit as well, and even with a lawyer you can still be convicted of DUI with a below-.08 breathalizer in some states. I know because I got one in New Mexico at 22 for two drinks .07. My lawyer just took my $3500 and ran, basically, and I paid $1500 fine and spent over a grand flying back for a court date. Expensive lesson, and a rather unfair one at that, but I have mostly behaved since then.

    Lynch was reportedly swerving; now tell me he didnt realize his judgement was impaired if he couldnt stay in his lane!

    And the thing is, Lynch has been busted for DUI before unless Im greatly mistaken. Once is a mistake anyone could make, twice is a problem that needs serious consequences.

    Drinking is fine–I have no problem with it. But drinking more than one drink and driving has the potential to make you impaired, depending on how much you ate and when, your fitness level, how much you’ve slept, etc etc…

    People do not have the right to drive; its a privilege you need a license for. If you cant follow simple rules and drive sober, you are endangering everyone on the road and infringing on their right to a safe road system, and you should be busted.

    Just because impaired driving happens every day does not mean that makes it more okay.

    As for bar breathalizers, I think thats a great idea, but good luck that ever happening.

  22. montanamike2–Exactly. Its because of the macho culture of sports, just like the macho culture in Montana; I can do it, Im fine, Im a man…bleah! Its stupid!

    How else to explain millionaire Lofa Tatupu getting a DUI at a drive thru in a 500 dollar Hyundai?!

  23. montanamike2 says:

    STTBM i now have my wife drive me to the bar where i meet “the gang”.

  24. And I realize my words will make me a hypocrite to some. I know there’s a good chance I have driven over the limit after I got busted. However, I try to remain vigilant and to drive only when Im sober. I have changed my attitude and become far more careful in my behavior.

    And the thing is, I wasnt a rowdy drinking and driving person; I had two 1.5 ounce shots of whiskey on the rocks. I thought I was being careful and responsible, but I wasnt. I had been very sick for six weeks previously, and so my tolerance was shot and even though I ate food, I was close to the limit and got busted. It took me a long time to realize that I did in fact deserve to be busted (I still think the penalty was too much for the crime), but in the end it may have saved me from making a greater mistake and hurting or killing myself or someone else.

    As I get older and realize the incredible toll drunk driving is taking on our country, I have come to realize that its the culture of acceptance that must change. Many thousands of lives depend on this.

  25. Good for you Montanamike2!

    Down off my soapbox now. Not entirely comfortable there anyway, considering Ive screwed up myself. I just felt the issue was too important.

  26. chuck_easton says:


    The idea of breathalyzers in bars has been considered. Problem is you have a culture where this could and very likely would become a ‘drinking game’. “Le’ts see how much I can drink and how High I can blow…” Great if part of the drinking game is that you understand you won’t drive.

    The other problem is the idea that a person blows a .07 or so. First thought is “Hey, I’m not drunk! I can drive”. If that .07 is within a 1/2 hour or so of their last drink the entire alcohol concentration hasn’t made it into their blood stream. If pulled over 15 or 20 minutes later that same person could very likely be over the limit.

    Finally, I know when I’ve had one too many and I will call a cab. And since I was a cop I know my ‘one too many’ only has me around a .05 at most but it’s enough that I know I’m not able to get behind the wheel. Not everybody is as boring (my friend’s words, not mine) as me.

    Alberta has a new law. If you blow a .05 the cops take your license and your car for 24 hours and give you what amounts to a traffic ticket. You then get to pay to retrieve your car from the impound lot and another administration fee to have your license reinstated. But at least you don’t get a DUI conviction.

    So now the rule is if you have even one drink and you come upon a checkstop you will be tested. It’s real easy to reach .05 and not know it. It’s not worth the risk of a fine, a car impound fee, and a license re-instatement fee (all around $500-$800). Cheaper to call a cab.

  27. LeePHilI says:

    The weird part of “drinking and driving” – according to Dr. Joseph Pursch, “The Dry Doc” (a newspaper column years ago), if you stop drinking about 45 minutes before you leave a place, chances are that the intensity of drunkenness will increase quickly. In other words, you stopped drinking, only to get drunker 45 minutes later. It’s a chemical reaction.

    Word to the wise – millionaire or not – plan to not drive.

  28. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, so he’s a fool even before being convicted of anything yet, but you admit to most likely driving while over the limit even after you got a “DUI”. What does that make you? You’re right that you seem like a hypocrite. If his lawyer gets it thrown out that doesn’t mean that he was definitely guilty but just paid for his result. Just because someone is convicted doesn’t necessarily make them guilty. There’s hardly ever 100% answers in life. I know, it seems your ill informed gut feeling is more important than evidence in a court of law. And that’s not a personal insult. None of us has reviewed the ACTUAL evidence. Most of us aren’t lawyers. We’re really all ill informed about this case. The difference is that I’m willing to give him the presumption of innocence, the same thing you’d want for yourself. Especially if what his lawyer has said in the media is true.

    It really doesn’t matter if you think driving at .07 is okay or not, it matters if he was over the limit WHILE operating a vehicle. You’re right that you can be charged with something even if under the limit, but they have to PROVE that you were driving recklessly. It’s usually not a DUI though. That’s why I put your DUI in quotations before. It may have been. Every state is different, but they usually charge someone with reckless driving or negligent driving in such cases. They’d have to prove that Lynch was really swerving around to convict him of a DUI if under .08 or most likely even a lesser charge. Did the cop have a camera in his patrol car? We don’t know. His word certainly isn’t good enough unless you just have a public defender pushing your case along, running you through the meat grinder. He can afford to not just take any crap deal. That’s what having money in the criminal justice system does for you.

    It’s illegal to blow over a 0.08 on a breathalyzer, but that is neither definitive proof of your blood alcohol level actually being above 0.08 or you being intoxicated. It’s a very complicated issue and varies from person to person, but I understand that you have to set some seemingly objective criteria for everyone. Intoxicated is subjective. It has been proven that field sobriety tests are incredibly inaccurate in predicting blood alcohol level. If it was just left up to an officers’ subjective view of intoxication, very few people would be convicted. People that drink regularly are going to be less impaired, as in from what they are in their sober state, at .08 than someone that never drinks is. .08 is just a measurement of the alcohol content in your blood, not an absolute measurement of impairment. People that drink often will have their body adjust somewhat to having .08 or so of alcohol in their blood. I’m not saying that will mean that they are sober or even not impaired, just that not everyone with a .08 is at the same level of impairment. Not even close.

    There’s also variation in how your breathalyzer reading corresponds to your actual blood alcohol content. It’s not uniform for everyone. If you get pulled over and you truly think you’re not over the limit, you should request a blood test. The laws had to be rewritten or amended to make it actually illegal to register a .08 on a breathalyzer, not just have a blood alcohol level of above .08 since a breathalyzer doesn’t prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. If you think I’m making any of this up, feel free to research it yourself.

    You are right that it would’ve been smart for him to have a driver set up if he planned on having more than 1 drink. That goes for everyone. Better to be safe than sorry. They say that it takes the average 165 pound male 5-6 drinks in an hour to reach .08, but it will be different with everyone. Womens’ bodies are on average made up of a lower percentage of water than the average man, so a smaller amount of alcohol will be a larger percentage of their blood. It’s not just about size with men and women. It’s hard to judge exactly what you’ve had to drink if you’re drink mixers or hard alcohol. A lot of places don’t measure it out. The amount of food in your stomach will affect how much alcohol your stomach absorbs, yes your stomach can absorb alcohol and aspirin.

  29. raymaines says:

    I think there should be a portable breathalyzer attached to our computers. Friends don’t let friends drink and type.

  30. bbnate420 says:

    LeePHill, the issue is the rate at which your body absorbs alcohol. You can pound down 5 shots of alcohol in a row, but your BAC isn’t going to immediately spike and you’ll probably not feel a significant part of it for 10 minutes or so. If you’re going to try and guesstimate what your BAC is, you need to keep track of the amount of alcohol you drank, not just how you feel. If you drink a bunch and then stop for 45 minutes before leaving, your body is still absorbing alcohol that entire time. Also, the average person removes 0.015% of alcohol from their blood an hour. Your body won’t keep up with your consumption unless you’re drinking very slowly. In other words, in a hypothetical situation, if it takes you 4 drinks in an hour to get to .08 that doesn’t mean you can have another 4 drink the next hour and stay at .08. You could only drink whatever amount of drinks that would put the 0.015 that will be removed by your liver in that hour back if you wanted to remain at .08. Actually, your liver would probably remove a little more than that since it would begin removing the alcohol as soon as it got into your bloodstream and it wouldn’t take the whole first hour to do so. But that gets more complicated.

  31. DFloydd says:

    All I know is I was surprised at how much I had to actually consume to reach a .06 (I am not much of a drinker at all). However, I was at a family BBQ in the summer in my mid-20’s and half of my family are state patrol. A few of them had their breathlyzer’s with them. The party was at my parent’s place so i was spending the night and wouldnt’ be driving. So me not being a huge drinker we we decided to use me as a “dummy” (literally and figuratively as I was very hungover the next day, dumb move)and see how much it took to get over the legal limit. I am 6’1″ and weighed about 175lbs at the time. I was (as well as my police family members)shocked at how much I was able to consume (4 beers, 2 shots,1 glass of wine) felt pretty darn drunk and after 1 hour I only blew a .06 (in 3 different portable machines) It was amazing because i KNEW i had no business even standing next to a vehicle, let alone drive one. anyways, not sure of my point. Just found that experiment curious as it was pretty amazing that while eating food at a BBQ and drinking that amount in less than 2 hours(which to some people is not much at all but to me was WAY more than I would ever touch in one night of partying) only put me at a .06 couldn’t imagine getting to .08. Had a friend get a DUI and he blew .19. that is insanity! and boy did he pay the price. it just isn’t worth it y’all….

  32. klm008 says:

    Nate, if you blow anywhere close to over a .08, you should request a blood test. That will take some time and the added time might just get you under the .08 limit. Then tell whomever that you burped during the breathalizer.

    We did an alcohol treatment facility in eugene that was a site adaptation of a franchise prototype with a stucco exterior. The color was supposed to be a terracotta, an earthy clay-tone. We were gonna make it an integral colored stucco, so there were very precise rules about how much pigment was to be added to the portland cement plaster batch and how they had to apply the plaster to keep the color uniform, etc. The contractor couldn’t find enough regular gray cement so he substituted white cement without telling anybody (oh yah, it was a cost-plus job.) The final color was a very uniform bright pink. There were arguments that it would make the treatment clients more amenable to taking the treatments, but my sister’s father in law got the subcontract to paint it the intended color. The treatments were sposta be letting you drink as much as you want, then give you something that makes you throw up until the smell of alcohol makes you gag. You sat in rooms that were made to look like a bar counter as much as possible, so every association is designed to make you sick.

  33. bbnate420 says:

    klm008, it’s called behavioral aversion therapy. It’s not particularly effective for treating addiction, though nothing currently really is depending on your definition of effective. They give you a drug, like Antabuse, that makes you feel very sick and hungover about 30 minutes after ingesting alcohol. Eventually, you’re supposed to associate alcohol with a severely unpleasant state. Humans are too intelligent, or too stupid depending on how you look at it, for this to work very well.

    If you’ve ever heard of Schick Shadel Hospital, that’s what they do there.

  34. bbnate–Yes, Lynch is a fool, as in he was foolish to put himself in that situation yet again. With all the people depending on him, and all the money he makes, it is utterly foolish to put that–as well as innocent peoples lives–at risk. And this isnt even the second time he’s been in trouble, its at least three! This is the guy who was such an idiot that the beat writer for the Bills called him “moron” in print! And he earned it! Now he’s in trouble again….foolish and perhaps a troubling pattern.

    We’ve discussed the court thing before: Im not going to believe that everyone who failed to be convicted is innocent (re; OJ), nor do I believe all convicted are guilty as charged. Based on Lynch’s history, and the facts as they were reported, in my opinion it is likely he was impaired past the legal limit and therefore guilty.

    If the facts come out that make it doubtful he was guilty, I will change my mind. As to my opinion being ill-informed, that is your opinion. I trust my reasoning more than a court of law, hell yes! Justice and law have little in common, and you get little of either if you are poor, and get a lot of both if you spend enough money. Its a broken system. Again, old arguments and we’re not likely to agree on the subject.

    In New Mexico more than ten years ago, I was pulled over in broad daylight because I had a license plate light out on my truck. I was under the speed limit, and the cop was waiting to pull everyone and anyone who came out of the bar parking lot over; it was his usual SOP. I had done nothing wrong, and certainly wasnt driving recklessly. However, as I said, I blew a .07 and failed the stupid human tricks.

    You do not have to be proven to have been driving recklessly to be found guilty of DUI, as I found out the hard way.

    And yes, the word of an officer can and is good enough to convict, esp with a breathalizer reading close to the limit. Thats what happened in my case, despite my expensive lawyer.

    I realize .08 isnt the same for everyone. The class I took said that three drinks–not five or six–(12 0z beer, 1.5 ounce booze, 6 oz wine) will put the average person at .08, but it varies.

    And I said I may have driven near or over .08 after my DUI, but not on purpose, and not recently. As others pointed out, its easy to make a mistake and think you are fine when you start out, only to realize later–as more alcohol enters your system–that you probably arent fine. As I age, hopefully finding some wisdom along the way, I have found that I am more aware and more careful of drinking and driving. Im not saying Im a saint by any means, but I dont feel worthy of your scorn either.

    Im not the one who’s accused of multiple DUI’s and a hit an run with a pedestrian plus a gun violation. Lynch is that guy. Yet you have scorn for me and little or none for Lynch. Curious.

    All Im saying is the guy was foolish to not be more careful, esp since he can afford a driver, not just a cab. He’s foolish for jeopardizing his career and Seattle’s season. And I do think the culture surrounding drinking and driving in this country needs to change. I wont be driving with three drinks under my belt either, and it is my intention to never operate a vehicle near .08 again. So I am walking the walk, not just talking big.

    As I said, Im not totally comfortable on the soapbox, because I have messed up in the past too, but I felt it needed to be said.

  35. And yeah, Behavioral Aversion Therapy is not as effective as Shick would like us to believe, though it worked well for Steve Largent. Shick verbally abused their patients as “therapy” back in the day as well…

    Ironically, the medicine I was on during my illness preceding my DUI has the same stuff in it as Antabuse, so not only was I sick from my illness, but sick from the high powered antibiotics, and I hadnt even had a sip of beer in six weeks or so. The long illness, the harsh meds, and the teetotaling for six weeks all contributed to my being unable to process a couple drinks as normal, and that along with my poor decision to drive led to my DUI.

    And now I realize that you may feel fine, and yet be .08 or close to it.

  36. klm008 says:

    There’s lotsa addictions goin on out there, for lotsa reasons. Some people are escaping from too much pressure to perform successfully at work. Lotsa times that pressure is self-induced. Other times people are escaping from the pressure of messed up relationships with another person or people, which can also be a kinda self-induced pressure to succeed in the relationship. Then there’s the vice versa escapes – when you’ve lost the job or the relationship. There’s also lotsa different addictions than alcohol, like heroin, public attention (hero worship), etc. And there is pain associated with too much pressure, as well as the sudden loss of that internal pressure. NFL and ex-NFL players have to be able to retain that internal pressure during games so there are huge forces pushing and pulling them off what us fans would see as the obvious “path” they should be on. It’s very difficult for us to see that path from the players point of view, as it’s difficult for the players to see the path from us fans’ POV, because it is those huge internal forces in the players that probably got them into the NFL to start with. Like most of us have, NFL players have coping mechanisms. Where we might go fishing, golfing or sailing to relax, the high-profile type athletes might go public speaking, extreme sports, partying, sky-diving, flying, scuba diving, etc. to ‘relax’ while still maintaining their ability to recover that internal pressure at a moment’s notice. When they resort to stuff to reduce internal pressures like alcohol/drugs and beating their girlfriends/wives it can badly effect their careers. Finding appropriate coping mechanisms that work for them is the real work of the NFL player. That’s what I got from Richard Sherman’s being ‘better at life’ than Skip Bayless. Is true.

  37. doubledink says:

    When did Largent ever receive therapy at Shick and for what? I don’t recall ever hearing that.

  38. doubledink–Im not sure when he attended it, but he did. He used to be in TV commercials touting Shick Shadel “Hospitals” lol!

  39. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I don’t have scorn for you personally. I even said it wasn’t personal. Just your opinion in this case and the holier-than-thou attitude you display from time to time. I don’t have scorn for Lynch either. I don’t know either of you, though I have had interactions with you and not Lynch. It’s not about Lynch at all anyways, I’d give YOU or ANYONE else the same presumption of innocence. I’ve said it many times. And as far as being a fool, Lynch is one but you are not because it was not your intention to drive close to .08 again after your DUI? That’s hypocritical. Intention doesn’t absolve a person from the responsibility of not driving over .08. How do you know what Lynch’s intentions were? You know he meant to be driving close to the limit? You lose credibility when you choose to judge Lynch’s behavior by different standards than your own. If he was truly under the limit at the scene and then over at the station, then he wasn’t over the limit while driving most likely.

    As far as being accused of DUI before, what are you talking about? You clearly don’t know the facts of his previous incidents. He was accused of a hit and run, and it was settled as little more than a traffic violation because there was insufficient evidence. And it doesn’t matter how many times someone’s accused of something. I can accuse you and anyone else of anything. It doesn’t mean it has merit. Show me a history of DUI convictions. Oh wait, you can’t. He was never even charged with it before this incident.

    There is no absolute in how many drinks equate to what BAC level, but the 5-6 drinks in an hour for the average 165 pound male is from the police in Washington. It’s what’s in their literature. It was hardly from a source that would be biased to say you can drink more than you can. What matters is the amount of blood in your body. Men over women, and larger people over smaller people have more blood in their bodies. Therefore, the same amount of alcohol will amount to a lower percentage of your blood volume. Nothing revolutionary there. A lot of people think BAC and intoxication are completely synonymous. They are not.

    I don’t know the laws in New Mexico nor the specifics of your case. In Washington, you wouldn’t have likely gotten a DUI. You wouldn’t have likely gotten anything if you had a good lawyer. It obviously depends on the competence of the judge you get as well. I was charged with a DUI before. It was dropped because the breathalyzer was over .08 but my blood test came back as under. They tried to get me to plead to negligent driving, but I pulled some money out of investments to pay a good lawyer. They had no case and had to drop it. I refused the field sobriety tests, but it wouldn’t have mattered if I had taken them and failed. It doesn’t matter what the cops say in their report, unless it’s backed up by evidence. Essentially, if they don’t have a breathalyzer or blood test over the limit or video of you driving recklessly you will get off if you hire a decent to good attorney. A public defender may just ram your case through.

    I also have a number of friends that were convicted or charged with DUI. I am well versed on this subject, at least in Washington State. I have personally seen charges thrown out by a judge because the breathalyzer was inadmissible. They had failed field sobriety tests, an admission that she had been drinking, and the usual verbal diarrhea in the police report. None of it mattered. The judge almost looked shocked that the prosecutor even wanted to continue with the case. The cop that pulls someone over for DUI will always say they smelled alcohol on the breath, they had watery eyes, slurred speech, etc.. They have to claim that they had sufficient probable cause to test them even if they really didn’t.

    The smelling alcohol part is just retarded, because ethyl alcohol is colorless and odorless. What you smell is other things in the alcoholic drink. They usually aren’t in most regular foods or drinks, so there is a perceived alcohol smell to people. But it’s not alcohol. You’d smell the same way if you’d been drinking O’Doul’s or some other “non-alcoholic beer”. I put non-alcoholic in quotations because it actually has 0.5% alcohol in it. And that amount of alcohol isn’t responsible for the smell. You may not know, but Ginger Ale, Sprite, 7-UP, and some lemonades have up to 0.5% alcohol in them. Nobody claims they smell alcohol on someones breath after they drink a lot of Sprite.

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