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Morning links: More props for Harvin

Post by Eric Williams on April 4, 2013 at 8:23 am with 63 Comments »
April 4, 2013 8:23 am
Seattle Seahawks' Percy Harvin speaks at a news conference at the team's headquarters Tuesday, March 12, 2013, in Renton, Wash. The Seahawks completed their trade with Minnesota to acquire the wide receiver in exchange for a trio of draft picks. Seattle announced the finalization of the trade on Tuesday afternoon once the NFL's league year began. The 24-year-old Harvin will give second-year quarterback Russell Wilson a dynamic playmaker not yet at his peak and reunite him with former teammate Sidney Rice and former offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
Seattle Seahawks’ Percy Harvin speaks at a news conference at the team’s headquarters Tuesday, March 12, 2013, in Renton, Wash. The Seahawks completed their trade with Minnesota to acquire the wide receiver in exchange for a trio of draft picks. Seattle announced the finalization of the trade on Tuesday afternoon once the NFL’s league year began. The 24-year-old Harvin will give second-year quarterback Russell Wilson a dynamic playmaker not yet at his peak and reunite him with former teammate Sidney Rice and former offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

Former NFL player Matt Bowen, writing for ESPN Insider, lists Seattle receiver Percy Harvin as his No. 1 impact acquisition so far this offseason. Rounding out Bowen’s top five is receiver Mike Wallace (Miami), running back Steven Jackson (Atlanta), tight end Jared Cook (St. Louis) and quarterback Alex Smith (Kansas City). You must be an ESPN Insider to view this.

Bowen: “Creative ability is what you get from the former Minnesota Vikings wide receiver. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks took a big risk when they made the trade to acquire Harvin and rewarded him with a new contract that paid out $25.5 million guaranteed. That’s big money for a slot receiver who isn’t going to consistently align outside of the numbers. However, Harvin gives the Seahawks multiple options from a play-calling and formation perspective, along with the value he brings to the return game. He’s an explosive player in the open field who can produce after the catch from a variety of alignments.

In Seattle, offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell can get the ball to Harvin out of the slot, aligned in the backfield, or use a pre-snap motion to create favorable matchups. Think of the bubble screen, inside option routes, seam or underneath crossing concepts — the idea is anything to get Harvin the ball in space. With Russell Wilson, the Seahawks will lean on some movement passes (boot, sprint) to get the quarterback outside of the pocket. That plays into Harvin’s skill set from an inside alignment.

And don’t be surprised to see Harvin used in the read-option scheme to get to the edge of the defense. The Seahawks already have talent with Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Sidney Riceand Golden Tate. With the addition of Harvin, this offense becomes much more varied in its game plan approach. Harvin isn’t a conventional talent at the wide receiver position, but that’s why he creates opportunities within the playbook to attack and expose opposing defenses.”

Beast Quake has made the Final Four of NFL.com’s tournament voting for the greatest plays in NFL history. Vote here.

Russell Wilson has advanced to the Elite 8 of the Madden 25 cover vote. You can vote for Russell here.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com provides a run down on Seattle’s pro day for local college athletes. Farnsworth writes that 17 players attended the event.

Writing for ESPN, former Indianapolis head personnel man Bill Polian leaves Seattle general manager John Schneider off of his list of the top six talent evaluators in the NFL. No. 1 is Baltimore’s Ozzie Newsome, followed by Atlanta’s Thomas Dimitroff, Green Bay’s Ted Thompson, the New York Giants’ Jerry Reese, San Francisco’s Trent Baalke and Pittsburgh’s Kevin Colbert. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this.

Jay Caspian Kang of Grantland’s profile on an aging Don King is a must-read if you grew up watching boxing in the 1970s and 80s like me.

D. Orlando Ledbetter of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the Atlanta Falcons have cut right tackle Tyson Clabo. He could make some sense for Seattle. Clabo played for Tom Cable while in Atlanta and 2007, so he’s familiar with the zone blocking scheme, and could add experienced depth at tackle.

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports writes that West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith is a top-five lock, even with all of the talk that he could slip down the draft board.

Longtime NFL Scout Bruce Kebric breaks down this year’s defensive tackle. It’s a good read if you’re looking for a glimpse into how NFL teams grade players. He has Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd rated No. 1.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Yes I “believe” in the Madden curse. *Do not* vote for Wilson for the cover. That is all.

  2. AKhawkFan says:

    I second what Duke said.

  3. I third that. I voted for Kap, haha

  4. I know its just one person’s opinion, but it amazes me that JS is not considered one of the top exec’s. He tore this team down to nothing and has built it into one of the youngest, fastest and more feared teams in the league, but of course he is not considered as a great exec. Completely bogus

  5. Sarcasticus says:

    I don’t believe in curses, but I don’t like all the national publicity. It just feels weird. I like rooting for a team no one knows anything about.

  6. bird_spit says:

    Vote for anyone other than RW. I believe in karma, and the great need to remain humble. (And RW’s humble nature is what makes him great)

  7. ChrisHolmes says:

    How cool is it to be a Seahawks fan nowadays? Russell Wilson, Percey Harvin, Beastmode, Rice/Tate, and let’s not forget Miller… Pundits are ranking our team #1 before the season starts, pushing us to the top of meaningless (but fun) “power” rankings, predicting a deep playoff run and possible SB berth…

    We have a legit franchise QB for the first time since Zorn slew the rock, and this kid also happens to have Peyton Manning’s work ethic & desire to go along with dashing good looks and charisma out the wazoo…

    Then we have a whole host of defensive guys who are actually becoming household names *outside* of the Pacific Northwest. I mean, four dudes in the defensive backfield who are Pro Bowlers? When has that ever happened to US? And we’ve added some guys along the front to get after the passer…

    Our front office and head coach work like a well-oiled machine, and genuinely seem to get along and think with the same brain, sharing one unified vision for this franchise. And they are kicking the crap out of the draft and FA.

    I know many of us can remember a lot of really lean years. The Rick Meier fiasco, watching Cortez Kennedy be the only light in a 2-14 season… Suffering through one inept year after another… Watching our budding stars crash and burn (Warner… still mad about that).

    But wow… OUR TIME HAS COME.

    You gotta be happy about this. I mean, you just have to well up inside with a giant warm fuzzy feeling. I’ve been a Seahawks fan my entire life, because my old man convinced me that since we lived in Idaho (at the time, I am now a WA resident) the closest professional team we had to root for were the Seahawks and by God we were gonna root for them no matter how good or bad they did…

    And sometimes, that was really tough. Kids at school were bandwagoners, wearing Cowboy and Steeler and Packer jerseys, or the Bears… Meanwhile, I wore blue and green and waited.

    Our time has come.

    And this is damn fun.

  8. ChrisHolmes says:

    BTW, I love the matchups for Madden. Deon Sanders vs. Jerry Rice. The epitome of selfishness, me-first attitude and self-promotion versus the epitome of work ethic, team-first attitude and a guy who let his playing talk for him.

    That was the easiest vote I’ve ever cast.

  9. DON’T VOTE FOR Russel Wilson..NO Madden Curse!!!!

  10. banosser says:

    Love the DT breakdown… Would love to see Jesie Williams drop to us in the 2nd… he’d be an excellent run stuffer.. Bennet could come in on passing downs.. John Jenkins in the 3rd (if available) would be a great get also.. Jordon Hill sounds intriguing as well.. one of those three would make the DL incredible.. If they don’t take DT in the 2nd (I hope they do).. then perhaps they can grab an elite OLB then and still add a solid DT in the 3rd..

  11. Yes, ChrisHolmes, our time has come. I’ve been a fan since 1983 and I thought our time had come in 2005/06. But this team is better than that team, partly because JS is a better talent evaluator than Mike Holmgren and Tim Ruskell combined. I know that the next few years are going to be exciting; I just hope we get at least one Lombardi.

  12. “How cool is it to be a Seahawks fan nowadays? Russell Wilson, Percey Harvin, Beastmode, Rice/Tate, and let’s not forget Miller… Pundits are ranking our team #1 before the season starts, pushing us to the top of meaningless (but fun) “power” rankings, predicting a deep playoff run and possible SB berth… ”

    It’s so true, I think my kid has five Hawks jerseys now – – 4 yrs ago, who was there to get after Hasselbeck? What a group of great young players they’ve put together here.

  13. rramstad says:

    Great article on Don King. It’s a shame that professional boxing has become what it has become… I enjoyed it so much, for so many years.

  14. chuck_easton says:

    Even if you don’t believe in the Madden Curse, why take chances? Vote NO on Wilson for the cover.

    Let’s help Russell in his goal to remain humble, hungry, motivated, and hard working.

  15. Yes our time has come Seahawks fans. We will learn from what happened last season against ATL. BB will learn from his mistakes our young Mlb will grow and will be a lot better. Our time has come to win a ring for the owner in the league Paul Allen. Can I get a Pete Carroll Wooooooooooo!!!

  16. SandpointHawk says:

    Eric, Thanks for the link to Kang’s article on Don King. Great read.

  17. Singularitarian says:

    A little off topic. I’ve asked a few times and got no response from anyone. Eric Reid? anyone? like to get some opinions. I see him dropping around our pick and haven’t heard anyone even mention him. anyone?

  18. I believe in the curse. Before I scrolled down to the comments section I knew my vote for the Madden cover was going to Kaepernick. Too bad he already lost out to Foster.

    We do need another O-Tackle before the season starts. Regarding Clabo:

    “While, plesant off the field, Clabo was noted for his mean and nasty style of play. He was a regular in several “dirtiest player” in the league polls.”

    Sounds like a Cable kind of guy.

  19. seahawksteven777 says:

    Well, despite you guys saying no to Russell Wilson being on the cover, I’ve been voting for him because I think it would be cool to see him on the cover. Plus, I don’t believe in curses and all that. What’s going to happen is going to happen.

    I don;t think he will win ultimately as AP likely will but I’m gonna vote regardless just to see how it plays out.

  20. sluggo42 says:

    Yes indeed, how great to be a hawk fan now. I remember the early days, waking up from a rip roaring drunken night of insane partying on Sunday morning, making a hot Bloody Mary for breakfast and smoking cigs chain style.

    Now, after my prune juice, oatmeal and heart meds, I contemplate my regularity before the game…

    Yes indeed, how times have changed…

  21. “Eric Reid? anyone? like to get some opinions.”

    The safety from LSU? He looks like a prototypical strong safety to me, a guy who’ll likely start as a rookie. I’m not sure he’d have much of a place here though with having to compete against Kam Chancellor for playing time. How does he get on the field in Seattle?

    Matt Elam from Florida is a name to keep an eye on, as he’s played for Quinn, but…

    Safety is the one position where I do not expect to see the Seahawks drafting for this year. Maybe they’ll grab a safety or two as UDFA’s, but it’s hard to imagine them drafting one.

  22. GeorgiaRay says:

    Looking at the %’s from earlier matchups, it hard not to think RW is going to smoke Foster, then make it to the finals….Never thought I’d say this but: “Come on RGIII…..”

  23. PugetHawk says:

    JBoard, Check out this article. http://bit.ly/ZG4NVa

    The only teams ranked ahead of us have won Super Bowls so I think the front office is getting some love.

  24. bird_spit says:

    sluggo42..I literally laughed my ass off. Those party days maybe over for now, but get ready..it is going to be a party this year I can feel it. All hail PC/JS for what they have put together in short time, and under the circumstances of lockout and such.

    Either way, I wont vote for RW. Curse or no curse, he needs to have a carrot to reach for greatness that may come, but not with out continued commitment to work beyond his skill and reaching for more knowledge.

    Stay humble. Work hard, and they can earn a ring or two.

    I plan on smoking a cigar in their honor next February. Think cuban..

  25. Good point Pugethawk. I guess as a homer, i just think JS is much better than he gets credit for. Maybe someday soon he will be in that list :)

  26. OregonHawk says:

    This was a great laugh, thank you :)

    Yes indeed, how great to be a hawk fan now. I remember the early days, waking up from a rip roaring drunken night of insane partying on Sunday morning, making a hot Bloody Mary for breakfast and smoking cigs chain style.

    Now, after my prune juice, oatmeal and heart meds, I contemplate my regularity before the game…

    Yes indeed, how times have changed…

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2013/04/04/morning-links-more-props-for-harvin/#more-17198#storylink=cpy

  27. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Curse or no curse, he needs to have a carrot to reach for greatness that may come”

    I don’t think you guys have to worry about that… I mean, I’d STRONGLY disagree with that statement.

    Wilson is like Peyton Manning. He’s like Tom Brady. He’s cut from the same cloth. Those types of guys are rare and you love to have them because they don’t *need* outside carrots – they create their own motivation internally. There is no need to hang a carrot for Russell Wilson. I guarantee you he has enough carrots inside his belly to motivate him every day, every hour. Guys like Wilson don’t come along often…

    Wilson is driven. His desire comes from within. He’s not the kind of athlete who is going to slack off once the accolades come. We already experienced some of that last year. People tried to pin some of those comebacks on him, and he deferred to his teammates. That’s the hallmark of a guy whose fire burns brightly from within. He doesn’t need the light shining solely on him.

    No carrots necessary with this man.

  28. jawpeace says:

    I used to be cynical about the Madden Curse. I remember when Shaun Alexander made the cover. I was like here is a good strong Christian man. He will break the curse, it will not hit him. Then Hawk fans remember how that worked out. So I would like to vote for RW and get him a little bonus money. But nope I can’t bring myself to do it after seeing what happened to Alexander and so many other Madden cover players.

    ChrisHolmes, “Pundits are ranking our team #1 before the season starts, pushing us to the top of meaningless (but fun) “power” rankings, predicting a deep playoff run and possible SB berth…”
    It is not totally meaningless as those teams ranked high this early are more likely to be slotted for prime time games. I can see the Hawks getting a Thursday NFL network, Espn, and two NBC games this year. (Of course every team in the NFL thankfully gets only one Thursday game.)

    Go HAWKS!

  29. princeaden says:

    Don King is a real piece of work. As for Boxing, it has been totally removed from significance by the UFC and the like.

  30. Bear with me…going slightly off topic again, but it’s worth it…

    Some of you might remember last week when I told a story about a couple that were in a horrible car accident outside Reno while traveling from here back to their home in Az.

    Long story short I asked if anyone had any connections to the Seahawks that they could put me in touch with, as this couple are huge Hawks fans and retired from this area. I was hoping maybe they might send them a little something to lift their spirits and let them know people back here care about them.

    That night one of the posters here contacted me and put me in touch with someone he knows with the Hawks. Today I received a package from the Hawks that included a football signed by Paul Allen, a bunch of Hawks decals, a keychain lanyard, refridge magnet, bumper sticker and a sealed note. (I didn’t open the note since it is not for me.)

    Anyway just wanted to do a quick shout out of thanks to both the Seahawks and to the blogger here who’s name I won’t mention but who’s initials are MT. You have no idea how much this is going to mean to these folks. Both of them have a long, long road to recovery. It’s pweople like you and organizations like the Seahawks that truly make our area of the world very special.

    Thanks again, very much!

  31. doubledink says:

    Well done too, Skavage.

  32. ChrisHolmes says:

    “As for Boxing, it has been totally removed from significance by the UFC and the like.”

    Off-topic as that statement is, I’m going to wade into this water for a second…

    I grew up on boxing, and boxing did more to ruin itself than UFC or MMA ever did. If boxing wouldn’t have shot itself in the foot, UFC would have had a lot harder time getting a piece of the action. Boxing became its own worst enemy, and they paid for it.

    Boxing used to be televised. It used to be accessible. And it used to be frequent. Bouts happened all the time, and you could catch it on your TV on one of the major networks. Because of that, boxers were household names.

    But then the sport got greedy. In marched Pay-Per-View and everything changed. Boxing was a great sport for casual fans. PPV ruined that experience. And slowly but surely, boxing eroded its own fan base. People turned to other things, and UFC and MMA were there to happily take some of those fans. (Guys like me turned our full attention to the NFL instead, where grace, athleticism and strategy were core parts of the sport, much like boxing).

    Boxing still, to this day, a far superior sport to UFC (in my opinion). The best boxing matches are way better theater than the best UFC matches (Corrales vs Castillo). Boxing is an artist’s sport – a combination of elements, ebb and flow, tactics and strategy, strength and endurance, grace and dance rolled into a 12-round show. It’s theater. At its best, boxing is a penultimate experience.

    UFC is a quickie $20 hooker by comparison.

    UFC had to impose boxing-like regulations on its sport to even become viable. The only thing missing now is the gloves. It’s a striker’s sport now. Gone are the days of Hoyce Gracie owning guys who have 100+ lbs on him… UFC bouts are over before they begin. As theater, they’re unsatisfying; they feel like WWF matches, only we know these guys are really taking hits.. but it still feels fake, because all the build-up happens outside the ring, as opposed to inside it. There’s no artistry to UFC. Just brutality.

    I know, I know… the younger generation things UFC is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and with everyone being diagnosed with some form of ADD and popping Adderall, hardly anyone has the patience to sit and watch a 10-round bout like Corrales vs. Castillo to see just how awesome a boxing match can be. Boxing fans will watch all 10-rounds to get the sense of context and build-up, to feel the anticipation and the ebb and flow of the fight. UFC will just skip to the 10th round and shrug…

    Anyway… My opinion: boxing killed itself. Not the UFC.

  33. that’s awesome Skavage.

  34. I’ll go even further off-topic and say I’m waiting for gladitorial arena-style combat to supplant UFC and MMA, something you’d find in dystopian fiction.

    Still looking forward to this next season, no matter how careful players have to be with their heads.

  35. Ewalters7354 says:

    Good stuff Chris Holmes.Definitely a good time to be a hawks fan.Living in New Orleans I was one of the only hawk fans down here.Now all my friends are saying how they don’t want the Saints to play us at our place lol I love it! I’ve been bashed constantly for riding the hawks, now people are saying My time has come!

  36. Dukeshire says:

    There doesn’t appear to be any meat to that headline at all.

  37. teriksen says:

    Question based on Kiper’s most recent draft board. He has Lotulelei falling to 13th. Would you be willing to trade quantity for quality? Based on the old value chart it would be this year’s 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (Oakland’s) plus next years 1st and 2nd rounders for the 13th overall pick. Are we nearing a point where 6-8 guys won’t make the team anyway, and this is the wiser choice?

  38. I don’t believe in curses, either, and I also don’t like all the national publicity. I’d prefer to be the team flying under the radar. Let’s change the team’s uniforms again so no one recognizes us when we go into their stadiums and kick the crap out of them.

  39. Skavage – Great follow up to your story. Congrats and Way to go!

  40. teriksen,

    The Harvard value chart is much closer to what I think our FO would look at in making any sort of trade.

    So, if a trade happened it would be for much less than what you describe. Even in that scenario, I don’t think they’d put all their eggs, including some of next year’s eggs, in one basket.

    That’s how teams get themselves into trouble. And, next year, we may need some of the picks to replace FAs who we can’t afford to keep.

  41. I wouldn’t mind bringing in Tebow for a look, maybe not as a QB, and certainly not if he plans to preech, but he’d be a Gronk like TE. I’d love to see the crazy things Bevell would create with another weapon. Granted it’s not going to happen, but I’d take him over Thigpen, Lienart, or Young.

    Trading up will probably happen at some point in the draft, but probably not the 13th pick. It’s to big a leap, and will cost to much in the long run. I wouldn’t mind trading up into the early second or third depending who’s still on the board. I wouldn’t mind them trading picks for player like they did for Leon.

  42. ChrisHolmes says:

    The only way I’d want Tebow on my team is as a non-QB.

    He is the worst NFL QB I’ve ever seen.

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Great stuff today ChrisHolmes. You are really bringing it!

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Wilson is a curse buster! He has already busted the curse for short QBs, and he will do the same for Madden. Vote Wilson.

  45. Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuss Russel, John Skelton, Ryan Lindley, Charlie Whitehurst, Tim Hasslebeck, Curtis Painter, Luke McCown, Kordell Stuart, Derek Anderson, Terrelle Pryor, Blaine Gabbert, Joey Harrington, Tim Brown, Brady Quinn, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, and Charlie Fry are all cleary worse QBs off the top of my head. Tebow will never be anything, but a very good to elite TE, or a stop gap QB who’s shown he can win games like TJack .

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric, who was your favorite boxer in the 70s- 80s? Mine was Roberto Duran,(hands of stone) Followed by Ali and Foreman.

  47. teriksen says:

    Audible,
    The Harvard chart doesn’t seem very realistic. Not saying Jimmy Johnson’s was perfect either, but based on past trades it seems much closer. The Harvard chart says Seattle could basically get their first rounder back (27th pick) for their fourth and two fifth rounders (218 versus 215). That ain’t happening. Nobody trades a late first rounder for a late fourth and two fifth rounders.

  48. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I would welcome a player like Tebow! He is a player! QB may not be his best position, however there are other things he could do to help a team. He’s a throw back at best. Who really cares what position he plays so long as he could help us win.

  49. ChrisHolmes says:

    @GeorgiaHawk Thanks man :-)

    @Hawks85 Every one of those guys you just listed can do something better than Tebow can (in many cases, just arm strength or accuracy).

    Football, being a team sport and all, is a results-oriented game, so I get where you could form that opinion about all those guys being worse than Tebow.

    But I’m judging Tebow irrespective of his (or any else’s) accomplishments, wins, comebacks or any of that other stuff (for instance, none of those guys you just listed would have gotten Cover-Zero against Pittsburgh in that playoff game; and so the results could have never been the same for them).

    When I say he’s the worst NFL QB I’ve ever seen, I am evaluating him strictly by his ability, tools, and brain.

    There’s no question Tebow is the consummate competitor. He *is* kind of a throwback.. no doubt.

    But he’s also terrible in ways the league hasn’t seen before. The only guy I can even think of that *might* have been worse is Danny Wuerffel (he was Tebow without the running ability).

    Tebow lacks everything an NFL QB needs to be successful. He doesn’t have just one or two holes in his game: he has holes everywhere.

    He has the worst accuracy I’ve ever seen (someone really should have adapted the McNabb simulator for Tebow). His arm is a pea-shooter. His delivery is glacial. His ability to read a defense is almost non-existent. He is incapable of manipulating a defense with is vision. He can’t see the field; I’m not even sure he can see half of the field. He holds the ball too long. He has difficulty making a decision and pulling the trigger.

    Oh, and he is just not accurate. I know, I already said that. But it’s worth repeating. His accuracy issues alone make him a serious liability as a passer…

    People get enamored with his “intangibles”, but you gotta have the tools first. RW has all the intangibles too. But RW can read a defense, make a quick decision, has a cannon for an arm (throws one of the prettiest deep balls) and is really, really accurate.

    That’s just my assessment. I think he’s the worst QB I’ve ever seen.

    I’ve seen some bad ones.

  50. Chris- I agree on many of your points- but I think some of yours are over stated- just my opinion.

    That said I would LOVE to see Tebow as a TE, special teams guy and emergancy QB.

    and if we don’t want people to preach better get rid of Wilson- he tweets bible verses every day and according to Baldwin sends them to many of the players on the team as well. Just saying

  51. juliusvrooder says:

    Just re-watched the Chicago game. Wow. I spent a few years in Colorado, and they weren’t good years. They were hard years. With one good night. The night Glyn Milburn set a record for combined yards for the Broncos, and John Friesz won the game anyway. Good night. About as good as it gets for a South Alaskan living on the front range.

    Been back home for 15 years, still looking for that spark to come back. That feeling, like telling my older brothers at age 15, ‘no, this kid from Wisconsin is really good. Number 17. The rookie…”

    I never drank the Rick Mirer koolaid, being a Coug and all, but the new number 3? The kid from Wisconsin? The rookie?

    Wow. Wish I was back in CoSprings…

  52. ChrisHolmes says:

    “That said I would LOVE to see Tebow as a TE, special teams guy and emergancy QB.”

    I think Tebow’s best position is probably as a Chris Cooley type H-back. I could see Tebow enjoying a 10-year career as a gifted H-back, catching passes from the traditional TE position, split wide, slot, out of the backfield, and as a threat on flea-flickers, screens and the like.

    But so far he has not shown any desire to switch positions full-time.

  53. Totally agree Chris )

  54. With P.Harvin you get a WR who is also usable as an RB. If RW’s in a pass play with an empty backfield, and the defense is in Bandit, he can audible to a run putting Harvin in motion.

  55. tylerwyler says:

    Having Tebow fans (re: NOT football fans) swarm to this team sounds like about the worst thing in the world. A good friend lives in Denver and saw his whole football scene overrun by imbeciles quoting Skip Bayless about intangibles, but otherwise being know-nothings (also like Skip).

    Ditto on being a horrible QB, and thanks for laying it out succinctly, Chris.

    I don’t find Russell’s tweets and religious talk to be one hundredth as confrontational as Tebow’s full-on witnessing assaults. I’ve never yelled at the TV when Russell says anything religious. RW seems to say what he needs to say in about as much time as it says to say “Go Hawks!” Tim needs just forty five seconds of your time to tell you about his personal savior. Seems like every time I see Tebow on a Sunday I have to scream that there’s a reason I’m at a bar wearing a jersey instead of at a church wearing a tie.

  56. Wow Tyler – I found that pretty confrontational and hostile.

  57. tylerwyler says:

    Yeah, Tebow bothers me a lot. Russ doesn’t at all. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the way they express their religion. Tim’s on a whole other level.

  58. ChrisHolmes says:

    “With P.Harvin you get a WR who is also usable as an RB. If RW’s in a pass play with an empty backfield, and the defense is in Bandit, he can audible to a run putting Harvin in motion.”

    And Harvin is a big reason why I don’t think we need Tebow. Harvin is special.

    I wrote on this blog during the season after games that my favorite package for Wilson was the shotgun 5 receiver empty set. He’s awesome out of that package, but he needed a good slot receiver (I think I mentioned Welker a few times) to really make that formation shine.

    We have that guy now.

    Harvin is going to be an awesome weapon to watch.

  59. I’m beginning to want Tebow just because of the discrimination I’m reading here about Christians. Please, let’s stick to football?

  60. I don’t want Tebow around at all, but it has zero to do w/his religious beliefs, I just don’t think a contending team needs the circus atmosphere that comes with his presence. It will be an unnecessary distraction, period.

    And btw, I’ve got no issues with the guy, and actually don’t think that all the spotlight he gets is necessarily his fault. But it is what it is.

  61. tylerwyler says:

    Expressing a preference to not hear someone go on and on about their religion is not discrimination. Depriving somebody of equal treatment under law because of their age/gender/religion/race/sexual preference, etc. is.

    And, if you want Tebow here, expect to hear people express that preference constantly. That’s part of the circus he brings.

  62. We don’t need a running back who can throw (Cam Newton, Mike Vick, RG3, Locker, Tebow), nor do we want a static pocket passer (P.Manning, T.Brady, Nick Foles), we want a QB who can run when the defense gives that to him (RW, CK, ???), like the point guard PC talked about 2-3 yrs ago. Apparently Matt Flynn fell into the middle too static group, but Tebow falls into the RB group. That was what Urban Meyer wanted, not what PC/Bevel wants. Read the 2nd to last paragraph: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems

    We could have long discussions about mutually exclusive conflicts between religious rights of fundamental Christians (count me as one) and freedom of sexual orientation (count me as one of those too), but this is a football forum (count me as that first – here).

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