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Morning links: Lynch rumbles in Cal spring game

Post by Eric Williams on March 24, 2013 at 9:27 am with 109 Comments »
March 24, 2013 9:27 am

Carl Steward of the San Jose Mercury News writes that Marshawn Lynch made a surprise appearance in Cal’s spring game, running 22 yards untouched for a touchdown. Cal players were instructed by new head coach Sonny Dykes not to tackle Lynch.

Check out the video of Lynch running at the spring game below.

Beast Quake has advanced to the second round of bracketology of the greatest NFL plays of all time. Vote here.

Here’s my story on the NFL regional scouting combine at the VMAC on Saturday.

Clare Farnsworth of also was in attendance, writing a feature on University of Washington safety Chancellor Young, the son of retired NFL tight end Charlie Young.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post writes that the Denver Broncos will be looking for big cornerbacks this year in the mold of Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner.

Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson talks about why he is not a fan of the new crown-of-the-helmet-hit rule in this video link.

King 5 TV has a report on Russell Wilson visiting Roosevelt High School in his campaign to curb texting while driving.

Steve Muench of Scouts Inc. counts defensive tackle and outside linebacker as needs for Seattle in this year’s draft. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this.

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  1. We have a great team! While a case can be made for RW (he is my favorite), Lynch really is the heart and soul this team was built around. I can’t wait to watch him and Turbin tear it up for the next few years.


  2. Spot on joreb – but I can see the tide turning and RW is catching Beastmode up. A case could be made for Earl Thomas being the heart and sole too! Lynch made our offense formidable overnight, the same can be said for ET and the defense.

  3. All true, but I get the feeling Percy is about to inject a new electric jolt to an already frightening offense.

    I really enjoy the fact that 16 D-coords are going to have a really crappy week this year. Not just another weapon in an already scary offense that showed an ability to dominate, but a sick/ill/stool loosening weapon that will cause many sharts this year…

  4. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    lynch maybe the heart and soul now but i do not see him in seattle for more than 2 years. turbin should be hitting stride in 2 years. at that point he will need a new contract and so will lynch. makes sense to cut lynch lose before he starts to lose his ability. i think that will be the key to this team, they must always be looking for a replacement for aging declining player before they have that big drop off.

  5. Southendzone says:

    I would argue that the heart & soul of the team is made up of the overperforming overlooked players. Baldwin, RW, Kam, Sherman who have bought into the ‘com-Pete’ philosophy for the team and for themselves.

    The end of last season it felt like there was a really special chemistry going on. If they can keep that going this year even with the addition of Harvin, the Hawks are gonna be great in ’13

  6. Mike rob says lynch doesn’t want to play anymore because of the new rule. Goodell should be ashamed, he is single handedly ruining the game these players love. This is going to back fire

  7. I do believe RW is the now and future, but was just trying to say that the team was built around Lynch. It’s ever evolving and he may not last that long, but I think Turbin will help extend Beast’s career some.

  8. BeastQuake was an amazing run and time to be a Hawks fan! I love watching this team! Ball Hawkin’ smash mouth football!! GO HAWKS

  9. montanamike2 says:

    Lynch won’t have to be cut because he will give it his all and come to a point where he either swithes roles with Turbin, as the backup, or he will be forced to retire due to injuries. I hope for the first scenario to happen. Some guys are just freaks though, and i hope Beastmode is still going strong due to the emergence of the Hulk to extend both their careers. I love this “Going for it every year”, mentality we have. Young to the core and a nucleus of talent-rare talent even and you can’t help but be optimistic.

  10. montanamike2 says:

    Sorry joreb i’m a slow typer. We both commented on the same thing.

  11. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    that’s the funny thing about this team, i think as the players that are getting paid now age they will either restructure or be replaced as the youth today needs to be paid. i think that has been the success in NE/GB. as long as they continue to draft well in the later rounds as they have this should not be a problem. it like with sherman if he expects to get paid 12-15 million a year when his contract is up i would expect to see him traded for picks. i don’t see the team being able to pay him that as well a new RW contract and keep a quality team together. that is ofcource assuming that RW will command at least 15 mill

  12. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    wow dead on here

  13. princeaden says:

    RB’s are going to have to go Dickerson style and deliver the forearm to the face to protect themselves. What else can they do ?

  14. Not only will Percy inject some more playmaking ability, but if our guards can stay healthy to allow our OL to maintain some continuity for once, we’ll really, really be special. I think it’s all going to come together this year.

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Percy and Rice will complement each other well.

  16. montanamike2 says:

    I totally feel vindicated over the “poison pill” now. What a nightmare
    for teams, so many options.

  17. Michael Bennett reportedly has torn rotator cuff

    Well then, if it’s true that would certainly suck a$$.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    JacDG- That could put a twist on things.

  19. That puts a damper on things.

  20. SandpointHawk says:

    The Seahawks gave him a physical so this should be no surprise if proven true.

  21. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    jac, not necessarily. i am sure the team was aware of it ahead of time and are sure it can be treated not surgically. less than half all rotator cuff injuries in athletes require surgery, only about 10% in everyday people.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    That certainly explains the one year deal. I imagine that if it required surgery, he would have had it by now.

  23. JacDG, just when I start feeling really good you have to rain on the parade.

    It will be interesting to hear about MB’s injury in greater detail. If it was major it’s generally tended to within weeks of the occurrence. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t become a one armed “Bosworth” type defender.

  24. Palerydr says:

    Anyone know what is the status on Lynch’s DUI? Are we looking at a 4-8 game suspension to start next year?

  25. Dukeshire says:

    4-8? At this stage I’d be surprised if it were even a game.

  26. raymaines says:

    I don’t have to be an insurance salesman, ya know.

    GH: That was a GREAT video. Thank you.

  27. montanamike2 says:

    Yeah, that’s the last thing i wanted to hear.

  28. montanamike2 says:

    I love watching Brady cry!

  29. bbnate420 says:

    As far as Marshawn goes, the case must still be ongoing. I wouldn’t expect to learn anything about a potential suspension until the case is dropped or disposed. I would doubt he gets suspended at this point.

    The only issue I have with the crown of the helmet rule, and it’s not really an issue with the rule itself, is that judgement calls like that are not reviewable. I would have no issue with the rule if the league got their spit together as far as replay goes.

    The NFL is not going back to the way football was played in the 80’s and 90’s anytime soon. You should learn to deal with it and find something else to enjoy about the game or it’s probably time to look for a new sport to follow. The “good old days” aren’t coming back.

    Here’s those stories I posted about Earl Campbell after someone mentioned he was against the new rule again if anyone’s interested:

  30. montanamike2 says:

    I think resigning Branch is a must now.

  31. chuck_easton says:

    The team had to know about the injury to Bennett before signing him. The fact they gave him a one year contract means they don’t think he’s going to miss time with the injury. If the team thought he’d be missing significant time this season they would have locked him down for a couple of years so that they have a chance of getting something for the payout.

    You don’t sign a guy for just one season if you think he’s not going to play most of that year.

    But it’s also likely why he only got a one year prove it style contract.

  32. While I respect Earl Campbell for his toughness and tenacity, the guy has the same stupid attitude of tough-guyness that Dave Duerson had. Duerson was on a committee that oversaw former players complaints regarding the damage playing in the NFL did to them, specifically head injuries. Duerson coldly judged the players claims to have no merit, and fought to shaft them. He flat didnt believe the injuries were related to multiple head traumu inflicted during football.

    Then karma bit him. He began to show symptoms of severe brain trauma, and the guilt he felt at what he had done to other players contributed to his depression (as did the head injuries), he suffered greatly from the depression as well as memory loss and personality changes, and he committed suicide; his last act was shoot himself in the chest so his brain could be studied.

    Harsh. Im surprised Campbell isnt there yet. A brain scan would likely show some interesting things.

    And yeah, this is my opinion. The legal wrangling will continue for years.

    Regardless, Campbell’s attitude is stupid and dangerous. The guy is a former pro football player with a certain attitude, not a doctor or a scientist.

    I detest the new rule too, but mostly because its a judgement call and not reversible, which I think is a recipe for slanting calls for/against certain teams (like one in South Alaska.). I am all for banning vicious hits using the helmet like a spear.

    Funny thing is, just about every time Lynch goes through the hole, he ends up slamming helmets with defenders. You can see it in slo-mo, the impact is horrendous. And its on almost every play. And that will remain legal, if I understand the rule correctly; its only out of the tackle box in the open field those hits will be banned.

  33. I’m okay with resigning Branch but not at what he made last season.

  34. hawkfaninoklahoma says: RW on graft day

    STTBM, so in your own statements you basically confirm this is a stupid rule.

    1. because it does nothing to limit the majority of abuse a running back takes.

    2. it is a judgement call some abuse is legal some not all at the discretion of a official. so basically what is not ok one week will be fine the next.

    3. this is a case of “the path to hell is paved with good intentions” i think the outside the tackles part is a joke, how about open field instead? one on one?

  35. montanamike2 says:

    Wow thanks for the insight STTBM, i didn’t know all that. It makes me pissed that it’s not reversble. And yeah Branch isn’t so special but he plugs the hole for now. I hope we’ve already targeted his replacement in the draft. Even if Bennett won’t play at first, he’ll put us over the hump in the second half, him and Clemmons make us a formidable team. I also think Irvin will be better in his 2nd year.
    We need to find a Justin Smith to get the most out of him.

  36. I dont think the rule will be as bad as many believe. The hits that they are really targeting arent fair anyway. Why should a RB get to hit a defender in a way that the defender cannot hit the RB?

    You can still duck your head and lead with your facemask; they just dont want backs ramming defenders with the top of the helmet.

    Of course, if they misuse the rule or cannot call it fairly and consistently, then there will be a huge outcry. When defenders are heading towards/surrounding a back, the back should be able to lower his shoulders/head and plow forward. What happens when Lynch does that to protect himself, and some damned ref like Markbreit or Luck decides he’s spearing when he wasnt, and a huge run gets called back?!

    The key will be calling it correctly, and CONSISTENTLY, not just within a single game, but in ALL games, EVERY WEEK! Count me as rather skeptical the NFL a) can do this and b) that they will do this. I think its another way for GOodell to ensure the more popular teams get calls their way.

    Still, the violence does need toning down. Its time. And properly officiated, this new rule shouldnt change the game for the worse.

    Mixed feelings on this one, obviously. I wonder what Tagliabue thinks of GODdell?!

  37. tchristensen says:

    What happened to Yakinta? He’s/she’s been MIA.

  38. bbnate420 says:

    If they expect to bring in Branch or any other DT for much more than the minimum, I think they are going to probably have to cut a different player. If the cap space they had going into FA that was reported was accurate anyways. They still probably need a 3rd OT and a kicker too, unless they’re going to draft both or stick with Carson Wiggs.

    hawkfaninoklahoma, the rule wasn’t passed to limit the abuse that a running back takes. It applies to all ball carriers, not just RBs, and it’s really to limit the damage they inflict. It probably protects them to some degree too, but it’s debatable. And even though it won’t reduce a lot of dangerous collisions relatively, that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. Don’t forgo the good for the perfect.

    It really depends on how it is called, as STTBM said. It wouldn’t really even be an issue if the NFL could set up a good replay system. It took them 11 seasons to get rid of the tuck rule, so I won’t hold my breath.

    STTBM, do you really believe that Goodell instructs the officials to slant calls for certain teams and defrauds the NFL fan base? You’ve alluded to it a couple of times. I’m no fan of Goodell and of course it’s technically possible, but I don’t get how anyone could actually believe that. He presides over the most popular sport in the USA. The most profitable sport this country has ever seen. The popularity grows every year. You really think he’d be dumb enough to jeopardize all of that to play favorites with a few teams? That would be an existential threat to the game. Not to mention that he works for 32 owners, not just the ones in New York, Dallas, and Pittsburgh. You think the owners of the teams he’s supposedly defrauding might have an issue with him colluding with the officials to slant calls for certain teams? You really think he could pull off such a conspiracy with the officials union without any of the owners ever getting wind of it? Sorry, but I think you’re way off the mark here.

  39. bbnate–Yes, I think Goodell has leaned on some of the officials, and promotes his “pets”–those who call things the way he likes–over officials who get it correct and do their jobs at a higher level. There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that something is going on–somethings rotten in Denmark, so to speak–with the officials and how they are graded. Did you notice the stink raised by the NFL choice for head ref for this years SB?

    No one could watch SB 40 objectively and not think calls were tilted in Pitts favor. And Cowher knew he’d get the close calls. Remember Rapistburger telling him “Coach, I dont think I got in” and Cowher smirked and said “Let the Refs decide”. He KNEW.

    Not to mention that they were holding on almost every play–often more than one lineman–yet THEY WERE NEVER called for a single holding penalty. All game. Look, the Steelers havent gone one quarter without committing a hold, let alone an entire game. And the refs were nit-picking Seattle for holds all day. Totally different standards for each team.

    ANd so many times the last few years, I have seen favored teams get calls their way; everything from holding to PI to roughing the passer. Some teams are allowed to beat up WR’s, some arent. Some qb’s can be hit and stepped on with no penalty, some qb’s get a flag if you sneeze on them. Tell me the refs arent tilting it a certain way for fear of losing their jobs!

    Obviously, you disagree. But I’ve seen enough. Goodell is obsessed with money, and believes more money justifies anything. He cares nothing for the integrity of the game. Player safety is simply a way to avoid future lawsuits to him. Even Tagliabue, his mentor, cant stand the way he’s handled things in recent years; he HAMMERED him from his consultant chair IN WRITING for his botching of the Saints Bountygate thing.

    The NFL used to have the best Refs in pro sports; now they are down there with the NBA at the bottom. Everything is tilted, nothing is consistent, and things like Home Field and a players popularity and/or winning history seem to heavily influence how the game is called. And it used to be impartial. Like I said, they WERE the gold standard of pro sports reff’ing; now they are a laughingstock.

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    We will never win a SuperBowl with Goodell as commissioner!

    Just jerking your chain STTBM. Lol.

  41. Michael Bennett injury is disappointing but not too surprising. He was on Tampa’s injury list throughout the later games last season, but still played well. So he’s probably been struggling with that shoulder for a while. Since he was already playing hurt, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s letting it heal without surgery.

    If he does decide on surgery and misses some games, I believe Clinton MacDonald would be the guy filling his role.

    I don’t think this is the end of the world. As long as Bennett, Avril, Irvin, and Clemons are all healthy by the time next year’s playoffs start, I’ll be happy.

  42. I liked the Marshawn video. I think he’s still a kid at heart.

    My favorite Marshawn video is still this one: lol…

  43. CDHawkFan says:

    TC, he is around just posting under his more common name. This person has been around for years under different names, he spends a lot of time on here checking and posting under different names. Realistically it one of about 15 people who practically lives on the blog, though most on this blog want to believe its just some random person.

    Been around for years
    Shows hatred towards some players
    Knows football well (most of the time)
    Strong opinion

    I think that narrows it down even further.

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I like that one too. Here is another one I like of Lynch.

  45. bbnate420 says:

    Yankster ran away after he got called out.

    Funny video, Georgia.

    STTBM, I’m not going to argue that the Hawks didn’t get jobbed by the officials in SB 40, but that’s far from proof that Goodell had a hand in it. None of us can really be objective and scientific when looking at officiating of our own team. Practically every fan out there thinks their team gets screwed by the refs more than any other team. It’s rather simple why. You forget the times your team gets favorable calls for the most part and remember all the times they get “screwed”. Go ask a GB Crybabies fan, they’ll tell you. And I’m not disputing that money is the major motivator in every decision Goodell makes. That’s why colluding with the refs and defrauding the fans and the majority of the owners makes NO sense. The risk/reward ratio is about a million to one in the risk category. He would be fired in a second if discovered and put the game in tremendous jeopardy. He could also potentially face criminal charges. I would bet a number of owners would sue him as well. Am I the only one that thinks this is far fetched?

    Look, I can’t prove he doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative. We’ll just see it differently.

  46. In the last thread some people were talking about yearbook team highlights. (1977 Hawks) Does anybody here collect those videos?
    I have a majority of them but need a few more to complete the collection..

  47. bbnate420 says:

    P.S. Yes, home field advantage and the reputation of a player do play into how calls are made IMO, but that hardly proves that Goodell is behind it. It’s subconscious and part of human nature. I think it’s a fantasy to say that home field advantage and player reputation didn’t always play a role in officiating throughout time and in different leagues. It’s part of that “Good Old Days” mentality. Those “Good Old Days” only ever existed in peoples’ fantasies. It’s strange how the “Good Old Days” always seem to be when a person was in their teens or 20s.

    I honestly don’t get why you would even bother to follow the NFL if you think it’s fixed and the Hawks will inevitably be screwed by the officials should they make it to the SB.

  48. chuck_easton says:

    Or you can think the NFL is fixed and they owe one to the Hawks due to previous treatment.

    So, in that scenario the next SB the team plays in should have all the calls go the Seahawks way!

    Glass half full conspiracy theory here.

  49. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Slow times these days, so why not get some more Wilson fix.
    Class act all the way.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Where is Pabs?

  51. SandpointHawk says:

    Really you think the games are fixed. I will agree some stars have calls go their way. But if the commissioner was fixing games don’t you think that might have come out in the strike. “Hey Roger we want 250k a year or we will leak how you had us fix the Superbowl XL” Or if that was happening why hasn’t the richest owner in football just paid off Roger for multiple Superbowl victories by now?

  52. Here I am Georgia. I would like to point out that Tagliabuw

  53. I hit post too quickly. Just wanted to point out that Tagliabue was commissioner when the Seahawks lost Super Bowl XL. Goodell took over 8 months after.

  54. Dukeshire says:

    Among other things, if the refs were fixing games (at Goodell’s behest) we’d be hearing the players complain loudly about it just as we did in the NBA leading up the Tim Donaghy situation. But that’s not happening.

    The NFL is the only major sports entity that doesn’t employ full time refs. As the game has sped up and evolved so too should the requirements for referring in the NFL. IMO, the referring lags behind the game right now, but that’s due to the game itself not nefarious activity on behalf of league officials.

  55. chuck_easton says:

    Thanks Pabs. Like him or hate him Goodell is doing a great job for his bosses, i.e. the owners. The players don’t pay his salary. The players can’t fire him.

    All the people that say Goodell needs to be fired should just pony up the billion or so and buy a team. Then they too can have a vote on whether or not he stays or goes.

    Until then, the people that Goodell has to answer to are very happy with his performance as evidenced by the 30 million per year they are paying him.

    You can think he’s ruining the game. You can think he has too much power. But, at the end of the day only the owners get to decide when his time is up. I don’t see that happening any time soon.

  56. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I didn’t know that Pabs. I do think, ( like STTBM ) that the calls in that game were one sided though. Why? I just don’t know.

    What positions are of most need in this upcoming draft?

  57. princeaden says:

    Pabs sighting.. :)

  58. chuck_easton says:


    QB of course! :)

    Sorry couldn’t resist.

    DT, WLB, OL depth, CB (can never have enough in camp).

    Just my .02 cents. (But since Canada no longer has a penny I have to make it my .05 nickel’s worth of opinion).

  59. Goodell does great at his job – to ensure his bosses make the maximum long-term profit while trying to minimize future liability. The second part of his job is to own all the criticism that comes from the first part of his job and keep the owners looking clean.

    I think the Seahawks should just Draft BPA with every pick this year. This is the first year since 2010 I don’t have a DVR full of games and bookmarks full of YouTube videos trying to evaluate QBs. So from that standpoint, I know very little about the Draft. I am eager to see which QBs go where and who the Seahawks pick.

  60. GeorgiaHawk says:

    chuck_easton – Lol, Since when did Canada no longer have a penny? Wow, why are we so slow here in the states to hold on to a useless penny. I bet if George Bush’s face was on a penny instead of Lincolns we would no longer have it. Lol.
    Ok,Flag me, I went over the political line. My bad.

  61. I dont believe Goodell is fixing games. I never said that. I believe he is leaning on refs to call things differently for different teams, and to lean towards the teams he wants favored. Not enough to blow a game wide open, but enough to tilt it.

    Things are very different, ref-wise, since he took over. And its getting worse.

    I dont like the guy. He’s not a football person, he looks at the NFL like a service provider or a widget factory. I dont like the direction he’s heading, and I am suspicious of his motives for everything he does.

    Great job? Depends on how you look at it. He’s controlling the purse strings, and the purse is getting bigger; of course the majority of owners will stick with their same old horse. Doesnt mean they all think he’s doing a great job, nor does his insane bonus. Its the Corporate Culture in America that top brass can demand heinous salaries and bonuses, even when they arent doing that great. He’s got them by the shorties.

    Goodell is making them bags of money, but they would likely be doing that anyway. The NFL is hugely popular, and it isnt Goodell who made that happen, he just hasnt totally screwed it up yet; but give him time.

    Why do I still watch the Hawks? For one thing, I think they can and will win the Super Bowl despite the NFL top honchos not liking South Alaska winning the big game. They are just gonna have to overwhelmingly win, despite bad calls and bs.

    As for being able to call bs when I see it, regardless of which team I root for, I am quite capable. I often bitch about the few calls that go Seattle’s way that probly shouldnt have, and I recognize them. The GB game I was horrified at first that we got the call. But IMO, on GB’s ONE TD drive, they had several bad calls go their way, which was the only way that game was close at the end. They deserved to lose, since they never fairly earned their only TD anyway. Plus, after the game, I saw a pic that clearly shows Tate with more posession, and feet down, while the other guy is still airborn. TD. However, watching it even in slo-mo, had I been a ref I would have called it a pick.

    I am more than able to remain objective regardless of whose playing. Many times I’ve watched other teams get screwed by bad officiating that is tilted, and I call it every time, even if it benefits the team I prefer. Thats what competition is all about, fairness and competing; if it isnt fair, its not competition, its the WWF. Thats where the NFL is headed.

  62. Pabs–I had forgotten Tags was still in charge, technically. Goodell was right there and it was his show though. Funny, despite Goodell being Tags boy, it appears they are quite estranged. Tags doesnt like how Goodell has handled things either.

  63. bbnate–its fine we dont see eye to eye on this. We read the tea leaves differently. No biggee. And I sincerely hope Im flat wrong. But that would mean that Goodell is incompetent and that the referee system is failing under his watch. Thats not a very nice alternative.

  64. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree Pabs about BPA, I can’t imagine too many draft picks making this team after three solid years of drafting. “Sit back and enjoy the ride”.

  65. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Been away, haven’t been blogging in a while.”
    “How’ve you been?”
    ” Have you changed your style and do you think”
    “That the Seahawks are making history? Don’t seem the same”
    “Seems like the Seahawks will make history.”

    “So let’s leave it alone, ’cause we can’t see eye to eye.”
    ” There ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys.”
    “There’s only TNT bloggers and sometimes we disagree.”
    ” Ooo – ooo – ooohoo oh – oh – o-whoa”

    “I’m going back to a place that’s far away. How bout you?”
    “Have you got a place to stay? Why should I care?”
    “When I’m just trying to get along We were friends”
    “But now it’s the end of our blog song…”

    “So let’s leave it alone, ’cause we can’t see eye to eye.”
    “There ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys.”
    “There’s only you and me and we just disagree.”
    “Ooo – ooo – ooohoo oh – oh – o-whoa”

  66. sluggo42 says:

    Georgia, I have a $.25 bet with somebody in here that 5 rookies don’t make the team. I just won’t see it.

    Considering we start drafting in round two, you can chop off one of the rooks that stick. We are now in the third year of thousands of roster moves, and now our weak assed third stringers rock. I know PC/JS perform magic, but finding five rooks to cut the mustard this year will be a pretty tough road to hoe… IMHO anyways…

  67. GeorgiaHawk says:

    sluggo- Looks good to me.

    “So I’d like to know where you got the notion”
    “Said I’d like to know where you got the notion”

    “To rock the boat, don’t rock the boat sluggo”
    “Rock the boat, don’t tip the boat over”
    “Rock the boat, don’t rock the boat sluggo”
    “Rock the boat”

    “Ever since our Seahawks voyage began”
    “Their play has thrilled me like the rush of the wind”
    “And their games have held me safe from a rolling sea”
    “There’s always been a quiet place to harbor you and me”

    “The Seahawks are like a ship on the ocean”
    “We’ve been sailing with a cargo full of love and devotion”

    “So I’d like to know where you got the notion”
    “Said I’d like to know where you got the notion”

    “Up to now we sailed through every storm”
    “And Wilson has a chance to keep us from harm”
    “We need to have the strength to see this through”
    “Don’t let us drift away Hawk fans, when we can see Blue!”

    “Our team is like a ship on the ocean”
    “We’ve been sailing with a cargo full of talent and explosion.”

  68. STTBM I fully believe that we got a royal screw job in XL. Even many non Hawk fans were banging the drum after witnessing that blatant bull officiating.

    Why won’t it happen again? The Seahawks are popular now & have name recognition. We are much harder to write off. Carroll, Wilson & Sherman, love them or hate them, are the face men of this franchise. They eat up the spotlight in their own ways and people tune in to watch. Add to that group our intriguing turn around storied players, outcasts, castoffs, UDFAs and generally perceived odd ball draft picks and you are left with a very interesting roster.

    This team has an in your face identity. They are brash, talented, physical & won’t back down from anyone. This is a fun team for any NFL fan to watch. A much higher national profile than we are used to is most likely in the cards.

    “They are just gonna have to overwhelmingly win, despite bad calls and bs.”

    I hope that that is the way we win the Lombardi Trophy, minus the “bad calls”.

  69. Dukeshire says:

    “I believe he is leaning on refs to call things differently for different teams, and to lean towards the teams he wants favored. Not enough to blow a game wide open, but enough to tilt it.”

    To me, that would most certainly fall under “fixing games” definition. I don;t believe that is happening, but if it were, the entire game would be corrupted. If he really had that much influence over the refs and how they control games, they never would have been allowed to hold out to start last season.

  70. I wish I had invisible powers and could go back in time to Feb. of ’06. I’d be in Detroit and would “fix” that game so it would have gone the way it shold have gone!

  71. FleaFlicker says:

    I have this nightmare of a Hawks SuperBowl – trailing by a handful, 3rd down, red zone, half a minute left, read option right, dump pass to Marshawn, takes it in, lowers down and bowls over a defender for the score.

    Yellow flag. Illegal use of helmet.

    3rd and a million from the 30 with a 10 second runoff.

  72. I would have thought they would have had that done sooner, rather than later???

  73. raymaines says:

    While I respect Mr. Allen and everything he’s done in Seattle, everything he’s done for the Seahawks and the Portland Trailblazers, I think the Mara family in New York, the Rooney family in Pittsburgh, Kraft family in Boston, and that dork in Dallas might have a word or two to say about good being a good owner. Certainly PA is one of the best owners in all of sports, but lets win a Super Bowl or three before we crown him “The Best.”

  74. montanamike2 says:

    I have to agree to a point with the GB game, that was getting screwed no two ways around it. It’s not as bad as basketball where the mafia makes calls go their way but some things are too obvious to ignore. It seems like sometimes we have to win the game 2 times before we win, i’m hoping that since we now are officially recognized nationally that some of those calls don’t get called. I still think the NFL is fair because it is so scrutinized but if it was the ’09 hawks would we have beaten GB?

  75. seatowntp says:

    Interesting, highly pro-Seahawks read.

    Poll Question for Eric. . . what percentage of Insider males have a “man crush” on Russell Wilson? lol

  76. seatowntp says:

    BK, where in the link you provided does it suggest that Bennett has already had the surgery? Just curios if you linked to the wrong site.

  77. Jumped the gun… sorry.

  78. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, I totally agree. “Leaning” on the refs for certain outcomes is most definitely fixing games. I think the vast majority of people out there we see it as such too. I thought about the ref strike too. It doesn’t really make any sense that it wouldn’t have come out or been used as leverage if he really was fixing games. Some Seattle fans just have a victim mentality IMO.

    STTBM, I don’t think the refs in the NFL are nearly as bad as you suggest, but I do think that Goodell and the competition committee are incompetent when it comes to overseeing the officiating. A large part of the problem, as Duke pointed out, is that they are not full time employees. That should’ve been fixed yesterday. At least start requiring it of new officials and compensate them accordingly. The other major problem is the replay system. It almost appears like purists set it up as badly as they could in order to justify their stance that it shouldn’t be in the game. College does a much better job. Many more calls should be up for review and should be handled exclusively by a team of replay officials that are separate from the crew working the game. We shouldn’t sit there and wait for the head official to slowly jog back and forth to a replay hood. Stupid.

    As far as being impartial or capable of being objective about calls against the Hawks, you can certainly believe that if you want, but you certainly have a conflict of interests. If you were a judge for a Hawks game, you would be expected to recuse yourself. I am not saying I am impartial. I know I can’t be completely objective about the calls in Hawks games, even though I certainly think I am more objective than people I know about the calls.

    Chuck, at least in an indirect way, the players do pay Goodell’s salary. They are the source of all the capital that is made by the NFL. People pay to watch the players play. I never have and never will pay to see someone like Mike Brownstain sit on his ample, old butt. I certainly wouldn’t pay to hear him speak, it’s about twice as effective as ipecac. If they went on strike with the requirement that Goodell be fired and held strong, you can bet Goodell would be out of a job at some point. As far as the fans not having a vote on Goodell unless they want to pony up a billion dollars, that’s ludicrous. The fans have multiple votes. You vote every time you watch a game. Every time you buy a ticket. Every time you buy a piece of merchandise. If fans chose not to do that because they wanted Goodell gone, it would happen faster than you could say Bounty Gate.

    Georgia, at the risk of getting political, Canada got rid of the penny because their government is not as dysfunctional as ours. The average person up there isn’t as stupid as the average American. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 2012, the unit cost for the Mint to produce and distribute a penny was 2 cents and 10.09 cents for a nickel. It was 2.41 and 11.18 cents the prior fiscal year.1 The last time the content of the penny was changed to lower the cost was 1982. Why do we produce currency that costs more to produce and distribute than it’s worth? Thank the laundromat lobby. They didn’t want to change their machines to accept currency of different consistency. Pennies and nickels are being removed from circulation in 2013 though. I know you were all worried. You can still turn them into financial institutions for value and they will be returned to the US Mint for recycling of their base materials.2



  79. bbnate420 says:

    Well, I guess the US Government didn’t lag much behind the Canadians on this one. I wrote that before I read that they were being removed from circulation. I still stand by the other statement though.

  80. montanamike2 says:

    Great when i go visit my mother in vancouver i won’t have to carry a handfull of useless pennies, but all the loonies and toonies still make my pants heavy enough to break a belt. There goes my joke- what’s the most useless thing in the world? A Canadian penny. I guess the joke still works but it’ll have to be an american penny now, but pretty soon i have to retire that joke altogether. Tommorow i get my new Seahawks baseball cap delivered in time for my trip.

  81. montanamike2 says:

    Also we need to upgrade the RT, Giacomini looked better in the 2nd half but that was misleading and he’s big, strong, mean but not a good tackle. 5 years into his career and i swear Lynch would have 200+ more yards if not for his penalties. It’s not so much the penalties that bother me, it’s getting caught so much.

  82. raymaines says:

    From SandpointHawk’s article: “Wide receiver Deon Butler was non-tendered by the team and is now an unrestricted free agent.”

  83. Hey Eric,

    I know there’s not much going on right now…but maybe some of us could submit new threads for you to post…just to keep the content rolling during slow times.

  84. Here’s a short article about RW arranging offseason workouts and bringing players down to LA.

  85. It sounds like in that article that RW is footing the bill to bring them down – pretty sure he makes less than all of them!

  86. Yeah, no kidding. LOL Still chump change for a 24-year-old dude who made over $600,000 last year.

  87. Wilson’s base salary was $390,000 this year. set at $526,217 next season and then $662,434

  88. montanamike2 says:

    Thanks for the link Audible.

  89. CDHawkFan says:

    Eric, curious if these workouts (you often hear about QB working out in the summer with WR in the south or in Cali, but they live somewhere else) are funded by the team.

    I guess its no different than if I have a business trip or training class, my employer would pick up the costs since it relates to work.

    Guessing it (flight, hotel, meals) might also be a tax break since it relates to their profession.

    You hear about it a lot, and yes, they make a ton of money, just curious if its truly coming out of their wallets or if the team picks up the/some expense.

  90. chuck_easton says:


    The CBA does not allow for team sponsered or sanctioned workouts outside the OTA’s, Mini Camps, and Training Camp. (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

    Anything the players want to do on their own is entirely at their choosing and at their own cost.

    There, you have the official answer. No need to wait for Eric.

  91. Wilson made 600k plus this year due to bonuses from the NFL for playing time. Given buying a house in an upscale area close to VMAC cost a bundle, plus relocating expenses etc, I think its pretty cool he’s footing the bill for at least some of the WR’s and TE’s. And its great he’s including McGrath, who may not even make the team. Dude’s not poor, but he probably has to make car payments mortgage payments etc. He cant just roll in a Bentley just yet…

    bbnate–Yes, court of law I would have to recuse myself, no doubt. BUt its funny. At bars watching the Hawks–and at home with my family–people seem to think Im weird because I call out EVERY bad ref call/non-call, even ones that are in favor of my team. Im pretty much notorious for that.

    I think its because a) I over-analyze everything and b) I believe in fairness and competition with all my heart. I cant stand unfairness, and when some refs dont make call consistently I really blow my stack.

    I still think there are a good handful of lower-level refs and some head refs who are influenced by keeping Goodell happy, and that each week they know which team getting the calls will make Goodell happy. Obviously it isnt completely par for the course with all of them.

    Incompetence? You bet, but I think its more than that.

    Like I said, I dont expect that too many will agree with me. To be fair, few believed as I did that signs pointed to dysfunction within Seahawks FO folks in the aftermath of Super BOwl 40 when old Timmay! began to exert his dominance. Few believed as I did that Timmay! was deliberately sandbagging Holmgren in order to run him out of town and have things all his way with his own pet coach. I was right about all that in a big way, and I took a LOT of abuse from trolls etc on a certain other blog despite being right.

    While that has no bearing on whether Im right or wrong regarding Goodell and the refs, it does show that I am comfortable forming and keeping unpopular opinions. As long as Im not getting personally attaccked/namecalled/labelled, Im fine with those who disagree. So far so good.

  92. CDHawkFan says:

    Thanks Chuck, pretty impressive to think the guys would leave their home/city, fly across country, stay in and pay for a hotel for a few weeks, eat resturant food 3 times a day to catch a few balls…I guess the next time I read about this, I can just chalk it up to the guys in the article being married.

  93. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, it is possible that refs are subconsciously calling games certain ways because they believe it will please the league office. That’s very different from Goodell explicitly instructing them to favor certain teams or intentionally influence the outcome of games a particular way. One is fixing the games and the other is probably an inescapable aspect of human nature. It’s probably part of the reason that the home team tends to get preferential calls. As much as the refs try to call the game objectively, it’s part of human nature to want to belong and not to upset the group. I think it’s harder to make a call that will cause you to be showered with boos than a call the fans will love, at least subconsciously.

    This has been inherent in officiating from the start. You think the possible fan reaction led to the call in the immaculate reception play? No one really saw what happened. No touchdown was called on the field. The refs called and talked to someone on the phone. Some people are convinced to this day that the referee called security to see if they could guarantee their safe exit from the stadium and when he was told no they decided it was a touchdown.

    P.S. Pittsburgh is weird about their Stealers. If you’ve ever been to their airport, they have a statue of George Washington and Franco Harris catching the deflection right next to each other. Yeah, that’s normal. One of the fathers of the country next to a guy to caught a football off of someones’ helmet. What’s wrong with that.

  94. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, you were certainly right about Numbskull being an incompetent moron, but it’s hardly a fact that he intentionally sandbagged to get rid of The Walrus. I started to turn sour on Numbskull in the 2006 draft and he reinforced that every draft for there on out. And that’s giving him a pass on drafting a LB that shall remain unnamed since everyone else was slobbering all over him too.

  95. Southendzone says:

    Semi-related to the ref & Goodell conversation. Not sure if Eric ever linked this article but it is really interesting look at Roger Goodell. I would recommend this read to anyone. I came away from it thinking he sounds vindictive and stubborn.

  96. tchristensen says:

    Happy to send Clint Gresham signed his tender. Thanks for the post Sandpointhawk. I can’t understand why they don’t sign him for a couple of years. The guy is good at what he does.

  97. montanamike2 says:

    I used to see terrible calls when i was a Sonics fan, certain refs were blatant about their dislike of certain players and then the preferential treatment to star players such as sneezing in Jordan’s direction or letting him take 3-4 steps before a dunk. NFL isn’t that bad.

  98. SandpointHawk says:
  99. bbnate–I think that some refs have been leaned on by Goodell and company, not that they simply are doing what they think he wants, but what he has at the very least strongly implied. And yeah, thats tantamount to throwing games I suppose, even if the team that gets hosed wins anyway. Im not going to pound on that any more.

    In the GB game, I think the calls that just so happened to keep alive a GB drive when they HAD to score a TD to stay in the game (and just so happened to come on third down) are a prime example of deliberate tilting. They knew they had to do something to help things along, and they did. Now, watching the refs body language during the Fail Mary play and after, its obvious they just had a hard time making the call; it wasnt a case of calling a foul that really wasnt a foul to extend the BigTime teams drive, it was simply a case of not being sure enough of what they saw to make a call. One ref seemed to use the wrong sign–the one that sorta looked like he was signalling TD but wasnt–and the other ref saw that and thought the other guy was signalling TD, so he did too.

    Now, its possible the calls on GB’s TD drive were simply incompetence. I cant prove otherwise. But call me highly suspicious. They seemed to be LOOKING to throw flags at the slightest provocation on Seattle–at the worst possible time. Funny how that works, huh!

    But there’s no way they deliberately handed the game to Seattle on the Fail Mary; you can see their confusion about a) what exactly happened on the play and b)what the rules were regarding dual possession. They were clueless and unsure of what to do or the reasoning behind any call.

    Seattle got lucky on that play, and as I said, had I been a ref I most likely would have ruled it a pick, then struggled and likely failed to find enough evidence to overturn it.

    I still think GB and the rest of the country are idiotic to whine about it as much as they did, first of all because GB would never have had the lead except for bad calls keeping their one TD drive alive, and second because it was only an early season game, and didnt cost GB the Super BOwl or even a playoff berth. Seattle has been SCREWED out of a playoff berth by horrible calls TWICE, once vs the Raiders on a John L Williams TD run they even reviewed and even a blind bat could see was a TD, and the Jets TEstaverde TD that wasnt. Not to mention the Super Bowl 40 Cowturd Debacle.

    Makes me wanna slap the hell out folks for even talking about GB getting hosed. They got what was coming to them for their earlier free points. On bad calls that day, GB was awarded 7 points, and Seattle 7 points. We just got the last ones, and the ones that mattered.

    Was it a bad call? Yeah. I would much rather have had Tate take the ball away totally and remove all doubt that GB lost and Seattle won. And if GB had actually fairly scored their one TD without multiple bad calls going their way, I would have been disgusted Seattle won on that call. As it is, GB can suck it.

    And Aaron Rogers is the whiniest Beeotch since Tom Brady. They both whine like puppies every time a team DARES to hit them. Pansies.

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