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Morning links: Hawks No. 1 in ESPN NFL power rankings

Post by Eric Williams on March 20, 2013 at 7:50 am with 117 Comments »
March 20, 2013 7:51 am
Seattle Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch before an NFL football game against the St. Louis Rams Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings)
Seattle Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch before an NFL football game against the St. Louis Rams Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings)

So do you care about offseason power rankings if the team you root for is voted No. 1?

That’s the dilemma Seattle Seahawks fans face this week, as ESPN’s panel of NFL experts voted the Seahawks No. 1 in their latest power rankings.

Unlike ESPN, Eliot Harrison of is not ready to anoint the Seahawks the best team in the NFL after an impressive first week of free agency, ranking them at No. 4 overall, with San Francisco taking the top spot.

I never take the power rankings for more than what they are – interesting conversation pieces on where some people who cover the league think teams should be ranked. The Super Bowl winner won’t be decided necessarily by what happens in offices or draft rooms in March or April, but what occurs in between the lines in December and January.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated tells us that Seahawks general manager John Schneider initially scoffed at the idea of trading for Percy Harvin. But when he dug further and realized that Harvin’s price tag wasn’t as high as previously thought, Schneider became interested. King: “It’s a risky business, being a GM, and Schneider thought back to his days working under Ron Wolf in Green Bay. Wolf’s first act as GM of the Packers in 1992 was to trade a first-round pick to Atlanta for an overweight quarterback who drank too much as a rookie, Brett Favre. “Ron had courage to take a chance when he felt it was right. Brett, Keith Jackson, Reggie White. He trusted his judgment, and he never got too dug in,” said Schneider.

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times wonders if the market is drying up for Matt Flynn, with former Seahawk Matt Hasselbeck signing a two-year, $8 million deal with the Colts.

KJR’s Ian Furness talks with receiver Doug Baldwin about the arrival of Percy Harvin and the speculation about his departure in this audio link.

Seahawks defensive end Cliff Avril appears on the NFL Network in this video link.

Mike Mayock of says that Florida State quarterback E.J. Manual has more upside than Christian Ponder.

Alex Marvez of Fox Sports talks with Jaguars GM David Caldwell, who says he’s looking to add a quarterback or two to the teams this offseason. Currently, Jacksonville has Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne at quarterback.

ESPN’s Dan Graziano talks with Pittsburgh head coach Mike Tomlin, who says that the read option is the flavor of the day. “We look forward to stopping it,” Tomlin said. “We look forward to eliminating it.”

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  1. I’m glad I am not a Jags fan with that QB situation.

  2. seaturkeys says:

    ESPN would be much improved if it were just Sando.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    No dilemma here, Eric. Answer? Nope.

  4. banosser says:

    They must disregard these worthless rankings… Play inspired but consistant ball… They can not peak too early.. can’t get too high.. not too low.. Play the same on the road as they do at home.. They need to be like the ’01 Mariners.. just without the Moyer injury and Rhodes’ gopherball in the playoffs..

  5. tchristensen says:

    Where are Yakinta’s 25 posts?

  6. yankinta says:

    I LAUGHED at Danny O’Neil’s article. Just because teams are signing backup QBs doesn’t mean Flynn’s market is drying up. If any teams trade for Flynn, it will not be for a backup QB position. They will trade for him to compete to become a starter. I would be worried if Jaguars, Jets, Bills, Cardinals sign a QB with a guaranteed contract.

    Just because we don’t hear anything doesn’t mean the teams are not talking to us!! Most of the deals that JS/PC work on, we only hear it after it’s been completed.

  7. yankinta says:

    lol, tchristensen, you asked for it. :)

  8. shoehawks says:


    How true. How much did we hear about the Percy Harvin trade before it happened? I expect something to happen on (or near) draft day.

  9. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’ve always said rankings are worthless except for entertainment value only. Nothing has changed even if Seattle is ranked #1. I always love reading the comments about the worst teams the most though. It makes you wonder how some coaches or GMs rise to the top of the ladder.

  10. surelyyoujest says:

    Power rankings are nothing more than a few into a sports opinionists (notice I didn’t say expert) mind. It’s interesting that the Seahawks are suddenly so broadly respected, but we’ll win or lose in the fall based on the product we put on the field.

    That said, at this time of year, speculation is pretty much all we have.

    One things for certain, we’ll go into this season with higher expecations than I can ever recall.

  11. seaturkeys says:

    Mike Tomlin would love to see the read option because it would would mean the Steelers were in the playoffs.

  12. surelyyoujest says:

    *view* not “few”.

  13. RDPoulsbo says:

    Agreed yankinta. Hasselbeck knows he’ll never be a starter again in the league. That’s why he went to Indy. Of the 4 teams you mention, 1 of them isn’t going to get Smith, Barkley or Glennon and that team will have to answer to the local sports media about their QB situation. You could throw the Raiders into the mix as well. They’ll be answering to the owners if they really think they are ok to even get through this next season with what they have. They all know it, but there just aren’t enough QBs that are potentially starter quality to go around.

  14. every off-season finds one team as the trendy pick to win it all – and this year, for better or worse, it’s become us. I agree that it’s pretty meaningless, except that it’s a pretty remarkable turnaround from where we were when PC and JS came on board.

  15. montanamike2 says:

    I tried to bring you into the fold Yak, now it’s up to you, as a rule i like to cut people slack as i’m dead wrong on a lot of issues.
    I loved the Flynn signing and thought RW was our future, but i thought he’d sit a year or two. Even though rankings don’t mean much this time of year, i must say it’s good to be in the top instead of the bottom from a respect point.

  16. yankinta says:

    Well, if Raiders release Carson Palmer, Cardinals will sign him so that’d be a wash….

    P.S., based on what I’ve been hearing about Bruce Arians, I think he will be a bust. I doubt he’ll last 3 years. He seemed so old school based on how he talks. He got lucky winning the COY with hyped up Luck and a good cancer story last year.

  17. yankinta says:

    montanamike2, I’m not sure what you mean.

  18. montanamike2 says:

    It’s all good as long as you’re not trolling, we have a good blog and sometimes trolls stir shxx up. I’m willing to give you the benefit of doubt and others will too as long as there’s no name calling etc. We’re all fans here and yes ACID was that bad.

  19. yankinta says:

    lol, I see. So that means you’re going to kick out all the people that called me names in the last 12 months?? I could give you a list. It’s kind of long.

    P.S., I have not called anyone any names. I’m not classes. :)

  20. montanamike2 says:

    Cool then that proves you have an opinion as a fan not a troll.
    Nighthawk and a few others were bad too.

  21. Absolutely fuming over the east coast bias! Oh wait, Seattle’s #1?

    Honestly I put these power rankings on the same level as horoscopes. They’re something I’m amused by. Just looking at mine for today on this site. Pisces- “You may feel more industrious as the life-giving Sun enters energetic Aries and your second house of personal finances. You should at least have more energy to get things done, even under pressure.”

    The only thing we can ever be sure of and should put any stock in is results, and we’re months away from seeing them on the football field.

    That said, I think I’d take the prognostications and advice of an astrologist over anything Pete Prisco comes up with, but I’m just being nonsensical here.

  22. montanamike2 says:

    If we lose 2 games in a row you’ll see what i mean.

  23. This ranking is pre-draft. After the draft the 9ers will again be ranked ahead of SEA. 9ers fans (and east coast sports announcers) are saying ‘Seattle first??!! C’mon… What has SEA done? They beat a read option team whose QB had a bum knee, then lost to ATL whom SF beat!’ In the draft SEA doesn’t have a 1st rounder and SF does, and SF has a slew more picks than SEA, and even though PC/JS are gonna find players that fit what they wanna do – the “experts” will come back to placing SF 1st again and give us a really poor draft grade.

  24. How did ACIB become ACID?

  25. montanamike2 says:

    Kim i think the experts will be weary to give us any grade this year, just based on last year.

  26. OSU’s CB Jordan Poyer if he’s there with our 2nd round pick?

  27. montanamike2 says:

    sorry i meant klm

  28. seahawksteven777 says:

    I just can’t see Flynn being anyone’s starter at this point. His only realistic landing point is with the Jaguars. The Cards are likely to draft a quarterback and if not, they’ll go with Drew Stanton. The Bills could be interested in Geno Smith or Ryan Nassib so you’d have to imagine they won’t be interested in Flynn. The Jets are out of the picture with Garrard, Sanchez, and McElroy.

    That being said, I don’t think you give up a 3rd rounder for a guy to be strictly a backup. Especially in a draft in which there is a lot of value.

  29. This is a good piece about the Seahawks and how they might use Percy Harvin and how Pete Carroll is changing the game.–nfl.html

  30. Psychman says:

    klm Poyer is not a slot corner and that is what we need and that is not a necessity. We need DT and OLB way before a slot corner. Lane and Maxwell can and will fill that spot this year oh ya and if WT3 is able to stay healthy he can play there too. I think he might the better of the 3 except for his injuries.

  31. chuck_easton says:

    I hope people don’t turn on Wilson if we lose a couple of games in a row.

    Wilson is the starter. I don’t see a Vince Young type fall from grace after a solid rookie year. I’m cautiously optimistic. I’m not ready to anoint him HOF material yet because he needs a decade or so of consistency. Too many things can go wrong.

    I think Wilson has the intelligence and the work ethic to have a very good shot.

    But I was home with the flu this week and NFL Network was my bedside companion.

    I was watching the Welcome to the NFL rookie segments. I couldn’t help but pay close attention to the Vince Young segment. It was glowing. Teammates were interviewed and they kept saying ‘no offence to Kerry Collins because he’s a good QB but VY is our future. He has all the tools. He’s going to be here for years to come.’

    The one thing that stuck out that in hindsight should have been a big red flag was OC Norm Chow saying he had trouble keeping Vince’s attention in QB film study and meetings for more than an hour at a time.

    That is why I don’t see Wilson going that route. The hard part is getting him OUT of the film room.

  32. If Avril and Bennett are as good as advertised, then I think OLB would be the most pressing need now. The team definitely can do better than bringing back Leroy Hill, and while Morgan and Smith may do the job, there’s sense in bringing in solid competition. Wright and Wagner would definitely benefit from consistency in the 3rd LB spot.

    Watching Hill get burned on passes was one of the more difficult things to do this season.

  33. Singularitarian says:

    I would disregard the number 1 ranking if it did not coincide with my own. Although SF, Denver, and Atlanta are all clumped into the same tier in my book. Adding Welker makes that team offensively awesome. A motivated Steven Jackson is still a top 10 back IMO, and they stole him. And those niners with all those picks plus a few FA acquisitions makes them STACKED. It will be a fun year watching 2 of the best teams in the league battle it out. Can’t Wait!

  34. Singularitarian says:

    Chuck. The consistancy of their rookie seasons is incomparable. I noticed the hour of film comment to. He also seemed to be half assing alot of workouts, like in the pool, and also seemed to take the whole thing as a joke. Not like having fun Brett Favre joke, but clowning around like a child who doesn’t understand that Peyton Manning is great because he truly works for it, not cause he’s just born with it.

  35. Singularitarian says:

    Carroll has made the opposite comment saying it’s hard to get wilson OUT of the film room

  36. About QBs, is Carson Palmer leaving da Raidas, is Vick leaving the Eagles, or ??? AZ dumped Kolb, but if they get a good QB again they’ll be right back in it like the Rams. Flynn could be that good QB. Don’t hand them Flynn. The NFCW is the best division in the NFL now and is just gonna continue to get stronger with time.

    About reading whats available about SEA’s offensive and defensive schemes, the more us fans can come to understand what it is our coaches are trying to do and which guys our pro-personnel staff are looking for, the more appreciation we’ll have for their situations when they crop up. It’s much more satisfying to see and understand when our coaches/team does something bold and innovative, when they take aggressive chances with high risk but also high upside (even when they sometimes miss), rather than always putting the team (and their jobs) at the lowest risk. We’ve had low risk moves/plays. Aaron Curry was a low risk move. Third down fades was a low risk play. Not any longer. We’re going for it, and I love what I’m seeing!

  37. Jordan Poyer also played slot corner for Oregon State. He’s a feisty tough lil bugger. If he’s there at 56 he may well be the best player available. If Averil (or Kory Toomer, or Dexter Davis) is played at SAM, then maybe OLB isn’t so big of a need that we can’t take BPA(?) Or, maybe UO’s OT Kyle Long is there(?)

  38. The only #1 Ranking that means anything is the Final one After the Super Bowl.
    Anything before just makes the bloggers happy, and puts a bigger target, hope it doesn’t make the players let down any.
    At least it gets the East Coast Media talking about the good guys for once
    Liking the ofseason so far and can’t wait for the season to get here already


    Russell’s dedication is too great to see any slip in his play.. He’ll be even better this yr taking all the #1 snaps

  40. WilliamPercival says:

    I’m going to go ahead and make my DARK HORSE prediction for the Hawks this year; even at the helm of the Percy addition. I predict 25 catches, 400 yds, & 5 touchdowns…. in 2013.

    I’ve added my research below:

    In 2010, the Seattle Seahawks went after Stephen Williams as a priority target in the undrafted free agent period, but ended up losing out to the Arizona Cardinals. In December, Williams injured his right Achilles’ tendon and was cut by the Cardinals, and John Schneider recently signed him to a two-year $1.2 million futures contract worth $555,000 in 2013 and $645,000 in 2014. John Schneider was heard/quoted stating “We got him, we got our guy!” (that in and of itself is enough to get me EXCITED!)

    “It’s insane. It’s an absolute crime,” Cardinal’s Bertrand Berry said back in 2010 when asked how NFL teams failed to draft Williams. In the same 2010 interview, Larry Fitzgerald said that Williams may eventually replace him as the #1 receiver on the Cardinal offense. ”That’s a good thing to hear coming from a guy like that (Fitzgerald),” Williams said…

    The Tangibles
    Birthday – June 29, 1986, Levelland, Tx.
    Ht/Wt – 6’5, 208 lbs.
    Draft – Toledo, Undrafted 2010. Clocked at 4.50 40-sec time at the 2010 Combine with a 36.5″ vertical jump.
    Accolades – Toledo’s all-time leader with 229 receptions and 3,102 yards, while averaging 13.5 yards per catch and grabbing a total of 23 TDs over his college career.

    STRENGTHS (per profile)
    Very tall with a wide frame and good bulk. Has large soft hands and catches the ball away from his chest. Fluid in the air and uses his body to shield defenders and grab passes in traffic. High points the ball well and is a mismatch in the red zone. … n-Williams

    Who’s our current big body receiver/red zone threat, that is 6′ 5″ (or 6′ 4″, or even 6′ 3″) and has a specialized skill set of going up and getting the ball, away from his body, at the high point… IN TRAFFIC..? 25… 400… 5…

    Thoughts? Agree/Disagree? Your pick for Dark Horse..?

  41. How much will this new Crown of the Helmet rule hurt Lynch with his running style ? and How the heck are they going to call this?

  42. Yes this will hurt Lynch and if it looks bad they will call it!! just like the KJ hit on Vernon Davis. looked bad so it must be a penalty.

    I think Hass has dried up the market.(somewhat) in the fact that he signed for 4 mill a season, meaning that the Hawks would lose money on the cap to trade Flynn and getting someone to replace him would cost more than they are spending now. It makes sense to me that JS would be asking a pretty high price because of that and teams, thus far, are unwilling to give that up. The asking price may have already gone up, because of signings like this.

  43. WilliamPercival says:

    Kam laid the hit on Vernon, not KJ

  44. You are correct – typed too fast!!

  45. seahawkNJ says:

    As a point of reference here are ESPN’s power rankings at this time last year. Take it for what it’s worth.

    And can someone clarify what the “East Coast Media Bias” is? I see that thrown around a lot…when the Hawks are good and errrr….not so good.

  46. princeaden says:

    I would love to see Williams become the Joe Jervicious of this team. If he’s healthy and ready to go why not ?

  47. -8 year season ticket bill,
    Are you the keyboard player? I like your dark horse pick, could be another gem!

    Yanker- I called ACIB as ACID, as I got so sick of his rants against RW, he was like ruining the blog. For some people, it sat well, others didn’t care for it. Personally , he was a complete jack.

    Another guy who was a total jack was radEon, but he manned up and ate crow. And is now a respected contributor.

    At this point to me, you’re a bit of a yanker, so we will see how you pan out…. Best to ya- :) :) :)

  48. princeaden says:

    Eric, can we get an update on where Clemens and Stephan Williams are at in terms of there injury rehab ?

  49. sluggo42, I don’t know who ACIB or ACID. I have never read any of his comments. I don’t read all comments. Only the ones that interest me.

    A lot of people here accused me but I only make predictions if I can show factual reasoning for it. Show me one of my predictions where I didn’t or couldn’t show factual reasoning for it….

    Don’t really care about being a respected blogger or credibility (not one of my goals in life, lol)…. For those that are open minded, they get my point and agree with it. :)

  50. montanamike2 says:

    That helmet RB rule is stupid, last year we lost kick offs, there’s also a few other dumb rules. Soon it will be the No Fun League.

  51. montanamike2 says:

    Flag football baby!

  52. Dukeshire says:

    The crown of the helmet rule is ridiculous. Goal line / short yardage runs? How does a RB protect themselves without lowering their head (no Shaun Alexander jokes please). I hate this rule.

    Sadly for this poor bastard, the rule change didn’t come soon enough.

  53. Dukeshire says:

    One that comes to mind is Seattle will get *at least* a third and a conditional pick for Flynn. It’s a prediction, but has no roots in fact as it’s simply an opinion.

  54. Dukeshire, not true, I said it repeatedly, the factual reasoning for it would be the fact that teams will overpay for a QB with good starting potential, if Demand is Higher than Supply. As I said before, last year, Supply was higher than Demand that’s why Flynn didn’t have much of a market.

    2011 Supply = Luck, RG3, Ryan T., Brandon W., P. Manning, Flynn
    2011 Demand = Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Brancos, Seahawks

    However, this year, Demand is higher than Supply… let me know if you want me to list them… :)

    We overpaid for Charlie Whitehurt, didn’t we??

  55. Lynch doesn’t so much drop his head so low that he’s leading with the crown of his helment… he just runs thru poor would be tacklers… I don’t see this proposed rule affecting him much…

  56. Dukeshire says:

    yankinta – That is simply an opinion. But no matter, time will tell all.

  57. Dukeshire,,, Umm, those are Facts. Which part would be opinion, to you?

    History can teach us these lessons, if we’re open minded.

  58. PixelDummy says:

    Lynch telling Big Red he don’t care ’bout no stinkin rules!

  59. WilliamPercival says:

    Duke- nice link of EC. Man that was a great run..

    Also, I’ve been beating the 3rd round pick as well for MF. Would have to be a highish (3rd rd) pick however if there was no cond. pick incl. I still think it’s dependent upon whether they can find a plug-and-play player (be it situational or starter) with that pick; otherwise they hold out for 2nd rd.

  60. WilliamPercival says:


    I do believe 2011 was C. Newton, Gabbert, Ponder, P. Manning (which you actually got right), M. Vick, V. Young, M. Hasselbeck, etc…

    Also, don’t know who the Brancos are??

    The only fact is that you need to slow down your typing and pay attention to grammar and spelling.

    I do agree with your open-minded comment..

  61. PixelDummy says:

    My favorite thing about that Earl Campbell run is that right in the middle of trucking the entire secondary with violent collisions, he is just holding the ball like a loaf a bread, like he’s in the backyard with his kids.

  62. yankinta says:

    lol, wanna be my grammar teacher? :)

  63. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Where has nate been lately?

  64. yankinta says:

    My Favorite reading of the week!!!

    “So the 49ers and Seahawks both acquired talented wide receivers. They’re both better teams now than they were last week. They both filled holes on their rosters. And they both paid approximately market value for their additions. The difference is that San Francisco got a deal on a 1993 Ford F-150 that will reliably get them through the winter and probably get them out of more than one ditch. The Seahawks got a deal on a 2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale that will make the work commute a lot more fun and Saturday nights a lot more exciting.”

  65. montanamike2 says:

    Good Quote

  66. SandpointHawk says:

    Give us a link Yankmychain, give us a damn link….

    Nice link Duke on EC, dang the only one he hurt in that run was himself…One of the nicest men (and humble also,) I ever had the privilege to meet. His thighs were bigger than my waist…

  67. yankinta says:

    lol, yes, sir. For the record, Matthew Erickson is only agreeing with me (This is for those that hate/think Yankinta is a cocky and full of himself, lmbo)

  68. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Mike Tomlin is a stupid ass FRAUD. I’ve already looked forward to him getting stopped all the time now that Cowher’s constructed team is all declining and Tomlin’s garbage replacements are now taking over. LMAO, nice Ziggy Hood you clown. We’re all looking for you to get eliminated from your job.

    Most overrated coach in the NFL besides Jim FRAUDbaugh.

  69. yankinta says:

    Bruce Arians said the same thing too, like a month ago. Why are people only noticing it when Mike Tomlin says it.

  70. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    “Bruce Arians said the same thing too, like a month ago. Why are people only noticing it when Mike Tomlin says it.”

    Because Bruce Aryans is widely regarded as a senile old fool. For some reason, people think Mike Tomlin is actually a good choice, instead of recognizing what he truly is, which is Jim Caldwell 2: Electric Boogaloo.

  71. sluggo42 says:

    :) :) :)
    Are you sick of me yet?

    I’m betting a quarter this is acid, just a gut feeling….

  72. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    sluggo , but yet he has no idea who we are talking about.

    Yaknita answer to your BS is on the previous post . funny how the personin question shows up right now and the two are posting together. anyways anyone that wants a good read go back one article i went back and went over every post on this site since last draft. nothing from the grand master of football before this year. lots from yakimahawk nothing under his name. i wasted a day because i hate arrogant people with a passion. i may have disagreed with many of you but i have never told chuck/duke/STTBM/bobby or nate among others that they were ignorant. and sluggo i would raise that to 10 bucks.
    indecently georgia i was laughing so hard at one point my wife asked what was so funny, i said georgia’s wife put him on a 4 beer limit for draft day her reply,” what a great idea” crap!

  73. I missed the 4 beer limit comment! All I can say is I remember drinking Irish Coffee and cheering when we drafted Aaron Curry (though I really wanted Craptree). I was sure that pick would work out. Shows what I know, eh?! I’d blame it on the coffee but every damn Draft Guru and analyst loved the pick…

  74. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    no lie i was right there with you”safest pick in the draft”. i was in tears laughing at some of the crap we all have said. rereading to post draft comments was interesting to say the least. i always thought arakpo.

  75. Reed signs with Texans. I wonder if this might just bring the price down on Woodsen to a point where it might make sense to bring him in for a looksie? I think he can play that nickle spot and with the young kids he’d be some good vet leadership.

  76. CDHawkFan says:

    Thanks for doing the leg work HF OK.

    It’s sad to think this is one of our regular posters that comes on to the blog under a different name to stir the pot and fight with the majority of us. Just wish they had the courage to do this under their normal name.

    I am sure Eric could confirm with the IP address check, but guessing that is a bit touchy.

  77. tchristensen says:

    Sidenote, I live In Tucson and the University of Arizona had their pro day a few weeks ago and Matt Scott told a local reporter the two teams giving him the most attention are the Seahawks and Eagles. Good fit?

    I also noticed on the Seahawks website Cliff Avril will be wearing uniform # 56. Numbers in the fifties are worn by linebackers so there is some truth to the rumor that Avril may play SAM.

  78. princeaden says:

    Where can I find out how Clemens and Stephan Williams are doing in terms of their rehab and projected return to 100% health ?

  79. DanielleMND says:

    I hate the new rule for RBs. Unless a runner is lowering his helmet for a helmet-to-helmet blow on a defensive player, I don’t see what the problem is.

  80. GeorgiaHawk says:

    CDHawkFan- The question that I have is who is the regular that keeps doing this? I even have gone so far as to think that perhaps it is someone from TNT, ( like Divish trying to stir things up for the fun of it), or perhaps one of the paid bloggers. Lol.

  81. DanielleMND says:

    I can just see TDs called back because the refs thought Lynch was leading with his helmet.

  82. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I just had a scary thought. Could someone actually take on Several if not many blogger names? Could I actually be communicating with only one or two people all these months? Reminds me of the Wizard of OZ when the Wizard was just a man fooling them all. Lol.

  83. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    priceaden, couldn’t find anything looks like a eric question.

    CDhawkfan, no problem gave me something to do today. the best rereads were the big wins this year the haters disappeared. some bold predictions those days,lol
    the draft post were interesting too. there are some very smart people on here and enjoy most every post .

  84. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    georgia , no deep thoughts without the beer limit,lol

    the helmit rule is only outside the tackle box he doesn’t lead with the head much outside.

  85. GeorgiaHawk says:

    hawkfaninoklahoma- Lol. I found a way to get around the four beer limit. Step up to the 24 oz beers.

    If they ever start penalizing the stiff arm I will seriously consider changing my addiction to something else.

  86. bird_spit says:

    What is the intent of the “croan of the head rule”? Is it to protect the defender or protect the runner? Absolutely ridiculous rule. Another opportunity for refs to F’ up a game.

  87. bird_spit says:

    oops..I do know how to spell crown really..

  88. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Where is BobbyK?

  89. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    cdhawk, it’s not bobbyk been posting on here with him forever. this is the same ol’ guy that was acib and elperrogradios and three four other names before. definitely got new meds tunes changed. i was hoping if i called him on it we could save ourselves a lot of grief. i was really surprised at some of the claims thou you can’t claim to have said something on here when you didn’t . too easy to verify everything.

  90. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    georgia i just get a mini keg or 2 growlers,lol. tonight i am having a good scotch to relax

  91. GeorgiaHawk says:

    hawkfaninoklahoma- Nice!

  92. Here – having home computer problems. Hates typing on kindle.

  93. montanamike2 says:

    Well he gets what’s coming to him, I don’t understand the need to troll. I just won’t feed him anymore, he was warned.
    Since windows released sp 1 yesterday i’ve had all kinds of trouble, but it’s starting to come together. Kudos to Sluggo and hawkfaninoklahoma for sniffing out a rat.

  94. chuck_easton says:


    Great job on the detective work! I guess I should just watch and learn, from you not the other one who is now on my do not respond list.

    That is, of course, unless Seattle actually does get a 3rd rounder for Flynn. Hey I’ve never been one that can’t admit I’m wrong when the time comes.

    The funny thing is I was a Flynn supporter last year. Now I am somehow being accused of thinking Flynn isn’t good enough to have a team offer a 3rd. I forget what side I’m supposed to be on.

    So just so I can clear my mind, yes I think Flynn would be a good starting QB in the NFL. No I do not think that as of March 20, 2013 he has any shot at starting in Seattle unless the unthinkable happens to Wilson. Yes I like the idea of Flynn being here just in case the unthinkable did happen. No I do not think there is enough demand out there right now for any team to offer much for Flynn, not because he isn’t worth it but because there isn’t enough desperate teams to start a bidding war.

    There, now I can sleep tonight.

  95. bsinnitt says:

    I personally don’t have a problem with the crown of the helmet rule if it’s going to be applied by the refs literally. If the runner is drooping their head to where they can’t see the player they’re initiating contact with it’s a spinal injury waiting to happen. My fear is that the refs will call it more subjectively much like they do currently with the defenseless receiver calls that are flagged unnecessarily far too often.

  96. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    chuck i never said he wouldn’t be worth a third maybe even a second closer to the season opener. i even defended some of his points. to garantee it then waffle and change it then change it again then not garantee it while still acting like you know it all. the “watch and learn” was like waving a red blanket in front of a bull. we all can be pretty cocky at times even arrogant to a degree, but damn.all i asked was that he tone it down a bit, keep the peace if you will. too funny.
    anyways i should quit, one too many scotch on the rocks tonight.

    so with that here’s to glen Levitt 25 and all of you,GO HAWKS!

  97. princeaden says:

    Someone posted a youtube link that was the Hawks/49er replay of the game on 12/28/12 about a week ago. I think it was bbnate but I’m not sure. If anyone knows it could you please repost it so I can save it and watch it infinitely? Thanks in advance.

  98. princeaden says:

    bird_spit, Let me just say that you rock !! Thank you

  99. bird_spit says:

    Lol..I had literally just finished watching it. :)

  100. Dukeshire says:

    The crown of helmet rule leaves RBs at risk by no longer having the ability to make themselves “small” prior to contact. As a result their legs a.k.a. knees are more at risk. Moreover, how does one lower their shoulder without dropping their head at the same time? This rule, by nature of the game, can only be applied subjectively. How the hell does one run power O, off guard, 3rd and 1 without lowering their head? Have fun watching RBs in all that traffic running upright. Total joke. I hate it.

  101. princeaden says:

    I thought the rule stated that it will be enforced only outside the tackle box. Inside the tackle box is still the same as it was.

  102. Dukeshire says:

    I hope that’s right.

  103. chuck_easton says:

    Prince is right. Also it is still legal for a RB to lower his head as long as he leads with his shoulder, face ask, or hairline of the helmet. Only the top of the helmet or the offensive equivalent of ‘spearing’ is supposed to be flagged.

    The problem is it will be a judgment call by the ref as to what part of the helmet was used.

  104. bbnate420 says:

    The lowering the helmet rule is ONLY outside the tackle box and NOT in traffic. That’s what I’ve heard a couple of places anyways. It’s only supposed to apply in one on one situations outside in space, like when Beast ran over Goldson. It will be interesting to see how they direct the officials to call it. I don’t really have an issue with the rule as long as it’s only called when it’s obvious and egregious. I don’t see why offensive players should be able to use their helmet as a weapon. Obviously, this rule does rely on subjectivity. This and other penalties, at least personal fouls, should be subject to replay IMO. That would require them to overhaul the system into something logical though so it wouldn’t take too much time, something they should’ve done years ago. Why do we have to have an official go off the field and go under a hood? Stupid IMO.

    Georgia, I’m still around lurking. I’ve been out and about enjoying my break. Plus, there really hasn’t been a lot of value to discuss the past few days. A heavy dose of the yankster. The draft can’t come quickly enough.

    I’m not sure where the BobbyK = ACIB stuff started? I guess it’s not impossible, but I don’t see it personally. I do think there’s a very good chance that ACIB = yankster. It seems like his grammar has improved a little. Maybe he finally passed the first semester of Freshman English? Same arrogance though. Anyone here could post under different names. I believe you would just need multiple e-mail addresses. I wouldn’t bother to do such things. I have no problem making an ass out of myself with my usual handle.

    As far as QB B.J. Daniels goes, a 5’11” QB that couldn’t top 14 passing TDs, a 58.9 completion %, a 139.5 rating, or 4.6 yards a rush at South Florida. He should be dominating at a school like that. He runs in the mid 4.6’s, not exactly a burner. His best year in college was his first year. That doesn’t bode well. Color me unimpressed.

  105. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bbnate420- (yankster) Lol. He probably got a good laugh out of yanking our chain the past few days.
    At least we now have a new detective out of this.

  106. montanamike2 says:

    Bobbyk has his opinions but he doesn’t seem to stir things up like a troll, plus he’s writing good articles for Rant Sports. It was strange that they both showed up at the same time and both have similar condesending attitudes but he sounded a little more well versed than ACID like bbnate420 said.

  107. This new rule is going be ridiculous, if a RB runs a defender over and it looks vicious, then a flag will be thrown because the refs want to side with safety/caution. Just like on the defenders hitting the recievers and stuff. Just cause it looks bad doesn’t mean its illegal and I feel alot of bad calls will be made because of this. Man, with all these new rules and T.V. timeouts, they are basically taking away momentum from the game. I used to think Stern was the worst, but Goodell is f*ckin this game up, legislating this game like this is a joke. Also, aren’t players taught to get small when about to take a hit, how do you do that now?

  108. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric Dickerson told CBS-

    “I think it’s a bad rule, mostly because its a natural reaction. You’ll never be able to police it. Running backs have to be able to protect themselves and doing that is protecting yourself. That will never happen. What’s next, take the stiff arm away?”

  109. Dukeshire says:

    Yes, it is impossible that Bobby is ACIB. Bobby has been a part of this community for nearly a decade, if he had a proclivity to trolling in that way, it would have revealed itself long before now. Also, as ACIB acknowledged, he was also FireRuskellNow or some such, prior to ACIB. And lastly, I know Bobby away from the blog a bit, and I can say with total confidence he would never lower himself to rooting against Seattle as ACIB has done in the past. No, they are not the same. It’s almost laughable.

    Even if ACIB isn’t yankster, does it really matter. They may as well be the same.

    Don’t be a stranger nate, we’re in desperate need of thoughtful conversation around here lately (as you may have noticed…)

  110. montanamike2 says:

    Totally agree Duke, Bobby seems like a good guy.

  111. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    Need another reason to be jealous of Russell Wilson? Sure you do. The Seahawks superstar quarterback has joined Chipotle’s not-so-secret society of receiving free burritos for life. Let me repeat. Free burritos from Chipotle. For life.

    “Thanks @ChipotleTweets for my forever Burrito Card! I love going there!” Wilson posted on his Instagram account @dangerusswilson.

    quiet around here this morning,lol

    i think the helmet rule is going to cost teams games this coming year.

  112. Ewalters7354 says:

    Pete said it was a good rule.Let hope he really believes it.Being that Marshawn is such a violent runner.Remember how he drilled Gholston after he caught that swing pass? Penalty! Which really takes away from the excitement of the game.I’ll just keep watching until it turns into flag football.

  113. chuck_easton says:

    I go back and forth on the helmet rule.

    I remember when I played, and no it wasn’t in the leather helmet years, we were always taught as a tackler to go in head up and see the runner’s number (i.e. lead with the facemask).

    As a runner we were taught to lower the shoulder and ‘get small’ by not exposing the number.

    You can do both of those without putting your helmet into the guy’s gut as in spearing.

    But I don’t see how a referee in the heat of the moment when he sees a RB lower his shoulder and sees the defender go flying backwards is going to have the time to think “now did he hit the guy with his facemask? Or was it the hairline of the helmet? Oh forget it…helmet to body! FLAG!!!!!”

    That is the problem with this rule.

    Now I do see a real good investment opportunity here. This is the plan. We all pool our money and develop a sensor to be installed in the crown of every NFL player’s helmet. We then get Nike to sew another sensor device in the jerseys, pants, and other body equipment. If the crown of the helmet makes contact with any part of the body bells, whistles, alarms, flashing lights…no question. Penalty. Think laser tag where the crown of the helmet is the laser.

    Who’s with me?

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