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Report: DE Cliff Avril visiting Seattle, expected to sign with Seahawks

Post by Eric Williams on March 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm with 167 Comments »
March 13, 2013 5:48 pm
Detroit Lions defensive lineman Cliff Avril (92) rushes the quarterback during a Week 7 Monday Night NFL football game against the Chicago Bears Monday, October 22, 2012 in Chicago. The Bears won 13-7. (AP Photo/David Stluka)
Detroit Lions defensive lineman Cliff Avril (92) rushes the quarterback during a Week 7 Monday Night NFL football game against the Chicago Bears Monday, October 22, 2012 in Chicago. The Bears won 13-7. (AP Photo/David Stluka)

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, Detroit Lions free agent defensive end Cliff Avril is on his way to Seattle for a visit.

According to Albert Breer of the NFL Network, Avril is expected to sign a deal with the Seahawks when he lands in the Pacific Northwest.

Schefter is now reporting Avril has agreed to a two-year, $15 million deal.

Wow. After making the big trade for Percy Harvin, it appears the Seahawks wasted little time attacking the team’s most pressing need this offseason — improving the pass rush defensively.

At 6-3 and 260 pounds, Avril, who turns 27 in April, fits the profile. He finished with 9.5 sacks and two forced fumbles in 2012, and has 39.5 sacks in his first five seasons in the league. However, Avril also has benefited from playing with one of the more dominant defensive front in the NFL, including defensive tackles Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley, and defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch.

Atlanta Falcons free agent defensive end John Abraham visited Seattle last week before the free agency period began.

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  1. According to Albert breer (via PFT) Avril has signed with the Hawks. Hope it’s true!

  2. And my head just exploded….WOW.

  3. OregonHawk says:

    The Seattle Seahawks signed free-agent DE Cliff Avril (Lions) to an undisclosed deal.

    Read more:

  4. JMSeaTown says:

    Wow. Win this year!

  5. banosser says:

    There’s the silent OMG FA move!! JS/PC. you guys freakin’ rock!

  6. banosser says:

    That’s what I’m talkin’ about!!

  7. tealskin says:

    This, after all the comments lately about how over rated he is. This was a surprise to me. Can’t be cheap.

  8. trout_hound says:

    Wow, that’s awesome. We addressed our two biggest holes, DE and WR.
    Some sweet Avril highlights:

    Now do we pick up a veteran linebacker as well to replace LeRoy?

    I do like addressing our needs before the draft so we can get the best guys available.

    Way to go, Pete and Schneidy!

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:


    Things are coming together. One more pass rusher will help.
    Now I hope we can get a good Guard and/or right tackle.

  10. bbnate420 says:

    He has played on a good line, but he’s not coming to a chop liver one either. Not with Irvin, a healthy Mebane and Red, possibly Branch coming back, and whatever they add in the draft. Also, Nick Fairley didn’t do much of spit in 2011 when Avril had his best year. I’d much rather pay Avril than Kruger at least.

  11. Nice move. Third downs with Irvin and Avril will be exciting to watch. I expect he’ll be a third-down specialist mostly, so the Seahawks will still need another beefy DE for 1st and 2nd downs until Clem comes back.

    Spend it now. Its time to push for a super bowl. Future be damned. Schneider knows this is the only way to do it these days. Its time!

  12. I’d draft DT’s now. Get some beef to shore up the run defense. Awesome off-season already.

  13. I am going to guess he’s getting Red Bryant money.

  14. Not to rain on the parade of the past few days (it has been fun) but we still desperately need a run stopped who can also create pressure from the DT position. And we need either a LB that can come in and start, or one that can come in and play ST at a very high level.

    If we can achieve those two things, then I’ll feel good about this off season. Right now…feels good…but cautiously good. Call me cynical but my hopes, dreams, expectations have been shot down too many times in the past. :)

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:

    And more weapons for Wilson.

    And a couple old fart-down to their last year or two,( former pro bowl) players, (on the cheap) that can help lead this young team.

  16. bbnate420 says:

    Can’t imagine them signing anyone else of consequence in FA this year, excluding bringing back their own UFAs or signing someone of analogous value. I really didn’t see them making 2 big signings though. I thought one maybe.

    Clem very well could be gone. We’ll see. I don’t believe they can simply release him like Leon until he passes a physical. They’d have to reach an injury settlement.

    Eric, Dave, Duke, or anyone else know how that works exactly.

  17. we have plenty of draft picks to find run stuffers. not nearly as hard to find as a pass rusher like Avril. The best pass rushing DE under 30 left out there, not as complete a DE as Michael Bennett, but a better pass rusher. Wow.

  18. I agree, Nate. It just may be time to release Clem if thats what it takes to make these deals work.

  19. I think Clem will be back. Maybe not until the 5th or 6th week, but I think he’ll be back. In the meantime, I hope Avril can play and create pressure from the right side of the D-line, because God knows Irvin can’t.

  20. If you had asked me a week ago whether I thought we’d have Harvin & Avril on the team for 2013… Well you could guess my answer would have been highly doubtful.

    Our FO operates like a shadow in the moonlight.

  21. Oh. My. Goodness.

  22. bbnate420 says:

    Skavage, you realize that they’re not going to have a team with zero holes, right? There’s no such thing in the modern NFL. They’ll resign Branch and/or draft a DT with one of their higher picks.

    Is it a coincidence that their run defense hit the skids after Red and Mebane were injured? I think not. Hopefully, they both can stay more healthy next year. I think Red was really hampered. A warrior to play through it, but he just couldn’t be himself.

  23. Someone will be restructured or lost, can’t keep em all. Re-signing Alan Branch at this point could be a difficult proposition. Doing that plus keeping Clem while paying Avril and Harvin would be surprising. We’ll see. Plenty of difficult decisions coming for the guys who manage the cap. But they seem to have a firm plan and aren’t afraid to move things along.

  24. feels great to be all in!! maybe time for season tickets again.

  25. freedom_X says:

    It’s great that Seattle was able to land the best DL prospect in free agency. I had a feeling the structure of Harvin’s contract (low cap hit in year 1) meant Seattle has more free agency plans in store for this season.)

    I don’t think this means the end of Clemons. The idea is to build depth at DL. If they get rid of Clemons, they have no more depth than they did last season. If Clemons can contribute by week 5 or even week 8, that’s still depth for the long haul. Anything could happen to Avril or Irvin by week 8 of the 2013 season.

    My judgement rests on 1) the size of the contract 2) whether Avril just feasted off of single teaming, cleaning up the scraps, or he was an equal partner with the rest of the DL in Detroit. He won’t have the help in Seattle with other DL’s drawing attention away from him.

  26. bbnate420 says:

    Skavage, god certainly doesn’t know that Irvin can’t rush from the right side. He started ONE game at Leo in the 18th game of his rookie year. Making long term declarations based on that would be ignorant IMO.

  27. Even if Clemons were to be cut (which is simply a reasonable guess by Nate), they are still very likely to have more D line depth than last year, as they have young men like Scrugg, Howard, and MacDonald still growing up, plus a ton of draft picks yet to use.

  28. Don’t get me wrong, I’m jacked if he has signed. I’m curious the details though.

    However, our pass rush isn’t fixed yet, even though people may think it is because Avril is a sexy signing.

    Clemons has more sacks in each of the last three years than Avril. That’s just a fact. Adding Avril is nice – but our pass rush still needs improvement.

    Mr. Happy is going for it all in 2013, that’s for sure! I’d have said Schneider, but we know it’s the Hapster who is calling the shots!

  29. bbnate420 says:

    If it wasn’t for money, I’m sure they’d love to keep Clem. He’s almost 100% gone after 2013 regardless. His cap hit is almost 10 mil in 2014. We’ll see if he’s here for 2013.

    One thing is certain, the twins didn’t make these signings without detailed knowledge of how it affects their cap position.

  30. freedom_X says:

    Picking up an end fits in well with the idea that this year’s draft is rich in defensive tackle prospects. It could well be Seattle’s front office had determined that they can get a DT prospect they like in the 2nd round.

    So why not trade the 1st for an impact player, then fill their most important need in free agency? Sounds like a wise strategy to me.

    Who knows what Alan Branch is going to end up getting? Right now it doesn’t sound like he’s a red-hot commodity.

    I have to be glad the NFC West competition is getting weaker. Amendola gone from St. Louis, 49ers taking major hits – and I don’t think their drafting staff has proven to be as good as Seattle’s yet (not that they’re bad.) But they’ll have a tough time using the draft to instantly replace all the talent they lost. At best it will take time for them to develop those replacements.

  31. DanielleMND says:

    Samwise and the Leprechaun strike again!

  32. True, Bobby, but I think Clem’s sack numbers are partly due to system in Seattle. Let’s hope Avril likes the move to the Leo! And, sure, we still need more explosion from DT and OLB. But this year’s draft seems to have good depth at those positions.

  33. You can say that Avril benefited from his D-Line mates in Detroit & I would agree that the diverted attention could do nothing but help him get sacks.

    What excites me in Seattle is the extra time that our secondary will buy him with good coverage, aka the “coverage sack”.

  34. Funny, I no longer find myself lusting after a DE at 1/25. ;-)

  35. Seahawks2620 says:

    Some people don’t know how to just enjoy it for a minute! Haha

  36. Stevos – agreed, that’s part of the reason that I really am jacked about this (potential) signing.
    I love Irvin in a situational role though. A guy who can get after it like that and improve upon his rookie year is every bit worth the 1st we used on him last year, too.

  37. Avril and an improved Irvin with a year under his belt have me jacked about pressure from the edge next year!

  38. Sarcasticus says:

    Unless he can catch 80 passes and return kickoffs, I don’t like this.

  39. Where did that come from? Did not see that coming at all.

  40. CDHawkFan says:

    Just a 2 year deal which seems real safe to me, I like it.

  41. WiscCory says:

    Money aside….anyone like the Jones for Avril swap??!!


    I agree there’s more work required on the D Line. Hit it in the draft!

  42. bbnate420 says:

    Effing hilarious, Sarcasticus. :-)

  43. Sarcasticus – I’m fine if he only returns punts and has 20 receptions!

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Schefter reporting that it’s only 2 years and 15 mil. GREAT signing if true. Browns sign Kruger for 5 years 40 mil when he’s proven much less. You see why the twins have done what they’ve done and the Browns are the Browns.

  45. DanielleMND says:

    I’m fine if he only makes Harbaugh cry two or three times next season.

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Now our weakest position has to be upgraded. We were second in the NFL in allowing QB hurries last year. If it wasn’t for Wilson we would have lead the NFL in sacks allowed imo. Time to stop this nonsense and get some serious Guards that will stay in shape and better protect our elite QB.

  47. bbnate420 says:

    BobbyK, Clemons does have more sacks than Avril over the last 3 years, but he did NOT have more EACH of the last 3 years. That’s a fact. They both had 11 in 2011.

  48. I have been one of the Cliff Avril nay sayers on the blog – mostly because he is supposed to be lousy against the run. I hope I am wrong and he is good against the run. But even if he is not, he will for certain help the pass rush. I am totally cool with a two year deal that should keep him churning and burning for his next big contract.

    I guess I don’t miss our 1st round pick so much anymore.

  49. RDPoulsbo says:

    When I first heard the news, I thought it was bogus. Then I heard 2 years for $15 mil and knew it was bogus. I mean how the hell do the Seahawks not only swing getting the top FA in the draft, but a short term contract that guarantees he’ll be hungry and plays for a huge contract down the road. The Hawks are on the map people, FAs want to be here! When was that ever the case?

    All I can say is they’re all in, and so am I. A star that burns twice as bright last half as long, but they want a Superbowl either this year or next. Time to enjoy the ride!

  50. bbnate420 says:

    Gerogia, where are they getting these OG’s? The draft? Because they’re not signing them in FA.

  51. And lets not write off Chris Clemons – love to have him, Avril and Irvin all available at the same time.

  52. montanamike2 says:

    Harbaugh is pissed that he has to buy another phone already!
    We’re going for it.

  53. Sarcasticus says:

    I hope the second round pick is Carradine or Greene. I hear they can both play as guards and knit sweaters to help with merchandise sales.

  54. Good call, Nate. I should have said “over the last three years” or something.

  55. montanamike2 says:

    What’s SF’s move now? We’re winning the arms race at the moment.

  56. bbnate420 says:

    I’d love to have Clemons too, but this is a business. He’s gone after 2013 regardless. I’m not for the luxury of having Clem, especially if we don’t know how much he will play or how effective he will be coming off the ACL, if it means them losing someone valuable after 2013.

  57. bbnate420 says:

    BobbyK, your point still is valid. I was being a bit pedantic. I just wanted to show that Avril had had a season as good. He had 6 FFs in 2011 as well.

  58. seahawk44 says:

    Where were the financial terms of Avril’s contract officially posted?

  59. BobbyK – have you been able to study Avril the last 2 years to see how much (if at all) he benefits off Suh dominating the middle?

    I think the NFL has legitimate questions on what he brings to the table which explains why Avril had to settle for this contract.

  60. Here is a link to Chris Clemons contract details

  61. RDPoulsbo says:

    SF is losing guys, especially on the defensive side.

    Gholdson: gone.
    Sopoaga: gone.
    Jean-Francois: Likely gone.

    The 49ers are paper thin in terms of depth in their front 7 and will be forced to depend more on unproven players as their front 7 continues to age. There’s really no rotation to be had down there so they either have to avoid the injury bug for the 3rd year in a row or fall down to mediocrity.

  62. bbnate420 says:


    I think this means Clemons is gone once they can reach an injury settlement. Clem would be a 5.833 mil cap hit in 2013 if released. That’s approx. 2.333 mil less than if they keep him, but it also is another 2.166 mil saved against the 2014 cap by not having his prorated portion of his signing bonus count in 2014. That’s approx. 4.5 mil saved overall.

  63. raymaines says:

    The ‘Hawks don’t have to release anybody exactly. Just don’t resign the last three guys on the PS and it will all work out.

  64. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I don’t know bbnate420, what would you do?

  65. RDPoulsbo says:

    Clayton mentioned Avril’s likely motivator is due to a flat cap, he knew he wasn’t going to get Mario Williams numbers so a 2 year deal at 26 lets him buy some time hoping the cap will shoot up and he can get the big contract then. Of course, he has to play like a top DE in these next 2 years if he want that contract.

    He also mentioned that Clemons could become a June 1st designated cut to pro-rate the cap cost over the next 2 years so it could mean just a couple million in cap costs each year.

  66. @bbnate420 – I’m not trying to be negative and I realize every team will have areas they can improve. I also tend to agree with your thought regarding the rush defenseive slide coinsiding with Red and Mebane being banged up. But regardless of any of those facts, we still have a lot of room for improvement along the D-line.

    Unless we want to go the route of San Fran and play our 11 starters for the majority of the snaps each game, we desperately need further additions to the D-line…especially at the DT spot and hopefully a DT that create some pressure up the middle. Frankly I think the San Fran “method” is going to be their undoing over the next year or two. The relative mileage on their defense is going to be high compared to most teams.

    With regards to Irvin, throw out the Atlanta game and take a look at the small sample of other plays when he came from the right side of the d-line. His leverage rush is not nearly as good as the left and he hasn’t developed much of anything else at this point. Can he improve? Heck yeah! And I hope he does! But right now, he’s not much of a threat from the right.

    I would like to see our d-line have the skill and numbers the Giants d-line had not too long ago. It would be a real plus to be able to rotate several guys that can create havok. But frankly if our front 7 can’t create more consistent pressure in obvious passing situations we will have a tough time holding leads. So more work to be done and I think we’ll see it in the draft and maybe even more in the FA market or another trade.

  67. bbnate420 says:

    I personally wouldn’t sign any OGs or draft any until the 3rd day, unless someone truly exceptional like a Cooper fell to the 56th pick. That has about a .0001 % chance of happening. I’m not nearly as down on the OGs as you.

  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Hats of to pabs for sticking to his guns on Flynn and his value. It looks like now that the FOs biggest risk would have been going with Flynn as a starter last year.

    Imagine what would have happened to Flynn with our lousy pass protection. No way he could have survived the onslaught with his body type.

  69. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, none of these guys lock my socks off. And I think they still have other needs. They still need a 3rd OT and kicker.

  70. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hats off.

  71. banosser says:

    Niners signed DT Dorsey

  72. edstang45 says:

    I like it!! I Love it ! Got to have more of it!!!!!

  73. GeorgiaHawk says:

    A 3rd OT would be fine with me. We could convert him to Guard. Lol.

  74. Didn’t break the bank for Avril – man these guys are on a roll.

    Can’t quite believe they’ve pulled off these two moves. They can add to the D-line and the LB’s in the draft. Maybe add some O-line depth as well.

    This looks like the best Hawks roster in a very long time.

    Agree with RDPoulsbo – – time to enjoy this ride . . .

  75. For the guys looking for oline help, my suggestion is RG Brandon Moore, NYJ. Hes been very durable – no missed games ever – a was a pro bowler after 2010 season.

  76. bbnate420 says:

    Skavage, Irvin definitely hasn’t proven that he can hold up as the starting Leo yet, but he hasn’t proven he can’t either. That was my point. I expect significant improvement in 2013. A lot of rookies hit a wall their rookie year. Especially a guy his size battling 300+ pounders every play.

    Whether or not they wait until after June 1st to cut Clem doesn’t affect the total amount of money saved against the cap, it just spreads it out over the 2013 and 2014 caps. That may be important to them if they’re going to be up against the cap in 2013. The total amount saved would still be 4.5 mil against the cap in 2013 and 2014 combined. Clem is set to make 9.666 mil in 2014. Anyone think they’re going to pay that?

    I believe they have to have Clem pass a physical to straight up release him. Not going to happen anytime soon. If he fails one, then they have to reach an injury settlement I believe. I also think it’s kind of shitty, but that’s why I don’t bemoan players that hold out to get their guaranteed money.

  77. raymaines says:

    I don’t know where I’m going with this exactly. It’s just a fact. In the 2012 draft your Seattle Seahawks drafted Bruce Irvin @ #15 and the despised Pittsburgh Steelers grabbed the mid season injured David DeCastro at #24. So far the Seahawks seem to be ahead in this.

    But the Seahawks are still looking for help rushing the passer AND at the guard position on the O-Line. I’m thinking next year the Steelers won’t be looking for help at the guard position. I’m just saying…

  78. GeorgiaHawk says:

    And hats off to bbnate420 for saying on numerous occasions last year that the Seahawks were built to do some real damage this year.

    I sure hope this is the year we get over the hump.

  79. bbnate420 says:

    Moore would be a 1 or 2 year stop gap. Not that it might not be worth exploration if he was cheap.

    Georgia, they HAVE to have a 3rd OT. You could have McQ be that guy, but it seems like you think he sucks. Seems like yesterday that everyone thought Okung would never be healthy.

  80. Ewalters7354 says:

    I highly doubt they cut Clemons.Just because Avril is here doesn’t mean the writing is on the wall.Someone posted earlier talking about last year when Clem went down.So I don’t see a need to cut the guy.Stop worrying about money guys.PC/JS have this under control.

  81. bbnate420 says:

    DeCastro has played in 4 games and started 3 in the NFL. He hasn’t proven anything yet. Not saying he won’t be good, just sayin’.

    Irvin led rookies in sacks. The only DE I think you could make a case that they should’ve taken instead at this point is Chandler Jones. He was the guy I had them taking in my genius analysis. ;-)

  82. GeorgiaHawk says:

    raymaines, I don’t know where you are going with that too, but please don’t bring up Decastro, lol.
    Decastro will be to the Guard position what Wilson is to the QB position,imo.
    I still have nightmares about not drafting Decastro.

  83. Brandon Moore is 32 years old. By comparison, OG Steve Hutchinson just retired at the age of 35. So, it would be reasonable to expect 2-4 years out of a 32 year old guard like Brandon Moore.

    I don’t think he would be especially cheap – his durability and pro bowl appearance would increase his value, while his age might reduce it somewhat. I think hes a good choice at a reasonable price if you want to add a guard.

  84. Ewalters7354 says:

    Skavage, please don’t forget Irvin was a rookie. He’ll improve just give him time.

  85. I think we have lots of guard options, I am more interested in an upgrade at RT.

  86. What happens with Clemons will tell us what the Seahawks think about Irvin…..

  87. bbnate420 says:

    Ewalters, the cap would be the reason to cut him. You may not want to worry about money or the cap, but that doesn’t make it any less real or less of an issue. You can’t have every player you want. Fact. I’m not saying that it’s 100% that he gets released, but it’s a good possibility in my educated guess. The twins certainly have a plan for Clemons. You think he’s here in 2014 at 9.666 mil? Why not? The cap, that’s why.

  88. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I like McQ. He is serviceable. Carpitt has alot to prove this year. I hope they do.

  89. I agree with bb…… no way Clemons plays 2014 on that contract. That (I think) is a given.

    The question is what to do, if anything, about 2013.

    I hope Clemons stays, is healthy and plays well.

  90. I think McQuistan is really valuable because he can play both guard and both tackle spots. That’s outstanding versatility,

  91. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Ewalters7354- Irvin is a 25 year old rookie. Older than Harvin. I hope he gets better, but how much time will it take? If he doesn’t get it in a few years he will be getting old by football standards.
    I do like his tools though.

  92. bbnate420 says:

    Moore is going into his age 33 season, not 32. I think it’s highly unlikely he plays through the age of 36. Most players don’t. I certainly wouldn’t spend any more on him than you’re going to pay McQ. And McQ can play both OG and OT spots.

    Eric Winston could be a good option at RT if he wouldn’t cost a lot more than the 3.5 mil they would save by releasing Breno. Has a lot of experience in a ZBS.

  93. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, I have a good amount of faith in Carp. He just needs to be healthy IMO. He’s had one major injury. It happens in football.

    I don’t necessarily have faith in Moffitt, though I think he would be a good player if he committed himself to getting into good shape. I do have a reasonable expectation that either Moffitt will finally get the message about his conditioning or Sweezy will make significant improvements in pass pro in his 2nd year. If not, they have an adequate player in McQ to fall back on.

  94. raymaines says:

    All I want is total perfection. Is that asking too much?

    Just draft the very best guy available in every single round of the draft and snag the two very best FA at the best price every year. How hard can that be really?

    In JS&PC we trust. Go ‘Hawks!!

  95. bb….. the comparison was that Brandon Moore is 32 today while Hutch who just retired is 35 today.

  96. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    blocis, ya but not well.

    remember everyone before clem got here he was a best an average DE. this system seems to make average look great, that said i would say avril is an above average pass rusher. like the deal price sounds right.

  97. bbnate420 says:

    blocis, yeah, but Hutch played at the age of 35. Moore would have 3 more years if he does that. And Hutch is an HOF.

    hawkfaninoklahoma, playing 4 O-line positions adequately has A LOT of value. You can’t have 53 all-pros.

  98. RDPoulsbo says:

    The moves they’re making is all about the next 2 years. What happens in 2 years? Sherman and Thomas get paid, Wilson can renegotiate his contract, Avril will be gone, Lynch’s contract becomes insane, etc. It all blows up even without Harvin or Avril.

  99. IdahoHawk says:

    When I got home from work I told my wife. “We’re going to a hawks game this year, Either in Seattle or New York.” Her answer was no December games. I’m thinking how about early February.

  100. confucious says:

    Exiting times. What a difference a couple of years makes on the outlook of a team. Kudos to the f.o. for making seattle relevant in the NFL again.

  101. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    nate your opinion of adequate and mine are far different he can barely pass block at guard, way to much time on his back for me.

  102. Ewalters7354 says:

    bbnate, I understand what you’re saying.I’m just saying I don’t see a need to cut Clem with roughly 10 mil left in cap space.Potentially more once they slice Obo.

    Georgia, age doesn’t discount the fact that Irvin was a rookie. A raw rookie at that.I know Von Miller and Aldon Smith spoiled us with their rookie seasons, but 8 sacks for a rookie is still pretty darn good.I believe we’ll see a big improvement.Patience bro

  103. Screw this dude. Sounds like a pop singer. If he gets 10 sacks, he can punch me in the face.

    I hope he does and I have a good place to hide.

  104. bbnate420 says:

    Ewalters, they still have to make some more signings and have room to pay their draft picks. Also, it’s more about the cap room for 2014 and beyond than the 2013 cap room.

    Somebody has the Hawks/Whiners game from 12/23 posted on YouTube. Watch it if you want before it gets taken down. Davis getting the spit knocked out of him is at 32:20.

  105. bbnate420 says:

    Sorry, 33:20.

  106. Ewalters7354 says:

    Ok so if the hawks cut Clem and Avril or Irvin goes down, then what? It wouldn’t be a surprise is he gets cut but I just don’t see it happening.The cap will go up once again in the coming years and lets not forget the cap hit they are taking from Red and Mebane.There are a lot of things that can and will happen before 2013-2014.

  107. bbnate420 says:

    The cap won’t go up much in the coming years. I’ve talked about that and linked it many times. Any cap space not use can be rolled over. It’s stupid to spend all your space just to spend it.

    If they release Clem and Avril or Irvin gets hurt? Well, obviously someone would have to step in for them. There’s a good chance that Clem goes on the PUP and doesn’t play at least the first 6 weeks or at least misses a few games to start the year. What do they do then? They have some young guys on the roster and I would expect they add at least one DE/rusher in the draft.

  108. FleaFlicker says:

    bbnate420: thanks for posting that link. Remember that hit well. Was at my in-laws’ house, meeting them for the first time. Jumped off the couch and dropped a thundering F-bomb. Doh!

    The Chancellor of Kam is a fearsome man in the open field.

  109. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The paid bloggers here, ( BobbyK and Dukeshire ) are taking a break for awhile, lol.

  110. Interesting … raises some questions about how he’ll be used.

    Avril was primarily a LE in Detroit.
    Will he spell Red there on passing downs?
    Or be the base LE and Red gets moved to tackle?

    Or will he play RE until Clemons is healthy (or cut)?
    If so, does Irvin get moved to OLB?

  111. WiscCory says:

    Some random comments:

    – anyone seeing the Goldston highlights on NFL Network. They keep showing the one where Beast drops a shoulder and runs hims over for 5 more yards. I love it!

    – Clemons needs to be a Seahawk in 2013. Avril is exciting, however some have noted he isn’t the best against the run. Combine that with houdini from the Atlanta game…remember, the game where the Falcons ran all over the Seahawks and advanced in the playoffs….Clemons needs to be on this team!

    – SF has something like 28 picks in this draft or whatever. They have so much talent, who gives a crap. All that means is 10 players they cut on August 30 will be signed by other teams for their practice squads.

    – This weeks moves that are best for FFL are Welker and Reggie Bush. Especially in PPR leagues for both. Welker will now get the TDs to go with his receptions, and Bush will touch the ball a ton in Detroit. I think Harvin will be neutral to his FFL output in Minnesota (which is pretty darn good). Wallace is doomed to be a bust, as will Mendenhall. Someone to take a late round FFL flyer on is Martellus Bennett. Cutler tried so hard to use the TE last season, and now he has a guy that can actually catch the ball.

  112. Dukeshire says:

    CB – Thats the beauty of it: his versatility. If he does play the strong side it will be more how Brock played it, outside the tackle where Red lines up right over the tackle. Presuming Clem returns, I see Reds snaps greatly reduced, or moved. Avil like Clem, is a three down player.

  113. freedom_X says:

    These moves are also rooted in Seattle’s fundamental faith that they will identify and develop talent through the draft. They have no intention of trying to “pay everyone” 2 years from now. The short contracts for non-superstar veterans is right in their model (such as Alan Branch.) I’m certain Seattle feels that they’ll have one of the young prospects ramped up in 2 years to replace Avril, Clemons, etc.

    Key players like Wilson, Thomas, and Sherman will get paid. Guys like Chancellor, Browner, Wagner, any O-lineman other than Okung, Tate, etc, won’t, even if they have fantastic years. Those will be people that Seattle believes they can replace in a fairly straightforward fashion through the draft. It sounds a bit arrogant, but so far, there’s no evidence to prove them wrong.

    Seattle has no intention of trying to preserve cap space just to shift it into future years. They’re not the Bengals. True, they won’t spend it just because it’s burning a hole in their pocket like Dan Synder, but if they identify people who can help them in a big way while fitting into their overall vision, they’ll spend it to get them. They had Harvin and Avril targeted in February, I’m certain.

    Looking at the contract breakdowns, it’s pretty clear. Believe me, even if Avril had wanted a 4 year deal, he wouldn’t have gotten it. These contracts Seattle’s getting are remarkable. That means Seattle has a culture teams want to be a part of. This is one way winning breeds winning.

  114. Would also be interesting to get some thoughts on Woodson, Seymour, and Harrison … vets with multiple rings at positions that could be upgraded.
    Does any of them have a good year or two left?
    And what are they like in the room? With guys like Harvin and Sherman, this team could use a respected old dawg to keep the yappy pups in line.

  115. I see what you’re saying Dukeshire.
    My concern is, the NFL’s site ranked Avril as the 6th best free agent available, but then said this:
    “6) Cliff Avril, DE, Detroit Lions: He’s not great against the run and only played 66 percent of Detroit’s defensive snaps in 2012, but Avril hustles and gets to the quarterback. He’s a solid bookend starter who will be paid like a great one.”

    Just one writer’s opinion. And honestly, I watch the Lions once a year on Thanksgiving. But, iss this an accurate assessment of how Avril plays the run?

  116. freedom_X says:

    If Clemons gets cut, he gets cut either tomorrow (within hours of Avril signing officially) or not at all. Maybe, maybe he gets cut in August if one of the young linemen show a ton in preseason.

    But most likely Clemons sticks even in that case. It’s not like they would need to free up space during the season, even if they were right up against the cap (which I doubt they will be at any rate.)

    I’m not sure how much Seattle needs in their rookie pool to draft, but unloading 2 picks (including the #1) reduces that substantially. It can’t be more than $3 million I would think. With Washington gone, even after calculating the Avril contract at a full $7 million and Harvin at $4.5 million, they still have a more than ample reserve to pick up one or two more players, draft, and still have $3-4 million left in cap space.

    As long as they don’t sign people to long term contracts, the cap space won’t be “wasted”. It only hurts Paul Allen’s pocketbook. :)

  117. If Abraham can be had for 2 years, $8 million – should they do it?

  118. Fleaflicker–Oh my GOD, you made me laugh my ass off so hard! I can just picture that…

    Not that I have ever done anything like that…not me.

  119. Abraham? I don’t think he’s a fit now that we have a full rotation at Leo.

    Remains to be seen, but I have to think Irvin inherits the Leo this year, with some one like Scruggs helping out there on first downs until Clem returns (if Clem ever returns). And I would think they will have Avrill playing the 3rd down LDE role Irvin played last year and Brock played before that. And he could also rotate over to Leo occasionally.

    If Clemons does return later in the year, this team will have more than enough DEs. Its time to focus on DT, OLB, S… we could use one of each to upgrade the pass defense.

  120. bbnate420 says:

    Avril is practically the exact same size as Clemons, for whatever that’s worth.

    feedom_x, they can’t cut Clemons tomorrow, as I understand it. I believe he has to take a physical first. If he passes, they can release him whenever. If he doesn’t, they have to reach an injury settlement.

    They’re not the Bengals, but they have to have foresight as well. I imagine they do. Not even the Bengals can be as cheap as they have been anymore. They have to spend 88.8% of the cap from 2013-2016. I think the Bengals and Brownstain are the only ones that haven’t done that for the most part even before the new CBA.

  121. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Oh, Percy mercy me”
    “Oh, things ain’t what they used to be”
    “No, no”
    ” Where did all old Seahawks go?”
    “Poison pill is the wind that blows”
    “From the north, east, south, and sea”
    “Oh, Percy mercy me”
    “Oh, things ain’t what they used to be”
    “No, no”
    “Draft picks wasted on Ruskells regime”
    “Big show full of mularkey”
    “Oh, Percy mercy me”
    “Oh, things ain’t what they used to be”
    “No, no”
    “Dangerous on the ground and in the sky”
    “Beast mode, Turbin and a host of WRs running by”
    “Oh, Percy mercy me”
    “Oh, things ain’t what they used to be”.

  122. bbnate420 says:

    freedom, and cap room CAN be wasted by signing short term contracts. The amount under the cap can be rolled over. If they’re 10 mil under the cap in 2013, their adjusted cap is 10 mil higher than what the NFL sets the cap at. Their cap would’ve been 13 mil lower in 2013 if they had spent all of their cap in 2012.

  123. bbnate420 says:

    *adjusted cap in 2014

  124. ha. good one, Georgia.

  125. Thanks for the link nate. Good lookin’ out G. Don’t mind if I turn on that mutha sucka again. I still get chills when Sam Adams is raising the 12th man flag in the Hawk’s nest and the crowd is going ape sh*t. good times at the CLink…

  126. bbnate420 says:

    Amendola to the Pats. Expected after Welker left. He has the same kind of talent if he can stay healthy.

    I heard that Woodson is visiting the Whiners, possibly talking about replacing Goldson there. They could also pick a S with one of their two 2nds or 3 presumed 3rds. You can count on ET getting at least 8 mil a year in his new deal with the Goldson signing.

  127. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, the Lions thought enough of Avril to pay him 10+ mil in 2012. Just sayin’.

  128. “BTW, the Lions thought enough of Avril to pay him 10+ mil in 2012.”

    And it wasn’t Matt Millen who made that decision, LOL.

  129. Dukeshire says:

    CB2108 – I’ve seen him play several times and I will agree that he’s a “solid bookend starter”. He’s not Reggie White, granted. However, he insures the weak-side DE position (which is not always Leo as some here continue to insist) is covered regardless of Clemons rehab and Irvin’s development. That’s worst case. Best case? He continues his own development and becomes Robert Mathis to Irvin’s Freeney (or something like that). It should be noted that they did only ink him to a 2 year deal. It’s not as though they’re all in with Avril. But he fits, better than any of the other FA DEs, what Seattle does on defense from a scheme perspective.

  130. Dukeshire says:

    No. Millen was long gone when they franchised him.

  131. Dukeshire says:

    Thomas should get whatever the hell he wants. He’s the most important player on this defense. And honestly, it’s not even close (IMO).

  132. I can’t believe NE let Welker walk. Unbelievable. And I hear that Brady is pissed. I thought that was the whole reason he restructured his deal.

  133. For those looking for a 3rd OT. I wouldn’t mind another former Viking in the form of Bryant McKinnie coming in to take Omiyale’s spot. That’s if the price is right and the deal is short.

    If you are a veteran player in a slow market, (not yet) looking for a quick ring then the Seahawks, 49ers & Broncos are all looking like good landing spots right now. I’ll go ahead and predict that it’s Seattle vs. Denver in New York’s Superbowl XLVIII. How fitting would it be to slay our current bitter rival then defeat our past bitter rival to earn our first title. I’ll answer that, very fitting and satisfying.

    I love this organization!

  134. What’s happened to Dexter Davis? I remember him being IRd in 2011 when they picked up Cox, but where was he last season? I was kinda thinking his pass rush should be really starting to flower by now.

  135. As far as kickers go, SEA is listing 3 on their roster right now including Ryan Longwell and Carson Wiggs (yup, Haushka’s listed too).

    About C.Avril (CA), last season he ranked 58th in pass rushing among 4-3 DEs compared to B.Irvin (BI) ranking 12th and C.Clemons (CC) ranking 21st. In ’11 CC ranked 23rd and CA ranked 30th. In ’10 CC ranked 18th and CA ranked 15th.

    DE Pass Rush Stats (sacks hits hurries):
    ’12 Reg Season
    BI Left 281 snaps (10 11 20). Right 43 snaps (0 1 0).
    CC Left 104 snaps (1 2 9). Right 385 snaps (10 9 28).
    CA Left 387 snaps (10 5 19). Right 2 snaps (0 0 1).

    ’11 Reg Season
    CC Left 97 snaps (2 3 11). Right 403 snaps (10 6 33).
    CA Left 461 snaps (11 8 36). Right 3 snaps (0 0 0).

    ’10 Reg Season
    CA Left 334 snaps (8 2 43). Right 5 snaps (0 0 1).
    CC Left 73 snaps (3 2 4). Right 383 snaps (9 7 45).

    I don’t expect too great of a pass rush from CA this season if he replaces CC at the Leo to start the season.

  136. Carlsonkid says:

    Good morning Seahawk fans …

    Was that a great last 24 hours in Seahawk history or what ?!

    This team is gonna be remarkable this year ; I’ve been a fan long enough to know better , but I’ve never felt so confident of a Superbowl run than this coming season . My God , I literally can’t wait until September !

  137. Dukeshire – thanks for that.
    And I think you’re right. The two year deal gives Avril every incentive to show he can do more than just rush the passer.
    Though, I think the hunt now shifts to finding some good inside run stuffers.

    Do you have any thoughts on Woodson, Seymour or Harrison as a veteran addition?

    BTW, the Millen comment was a joke … I knew he was long gone when the Lions franchised Avril.

  138. bbnate420 says:

    klm008, did you get those stats from PFF? The (sacks hits hurries) stats aren’t correct. They don’t add up. For example, Irvin only had 8 sacks in 2012, not 10.

  139. On Harrison, my thought is that a borderline dirty, head hunter would give this D a sharp edge.
    He creates the kind of distraction that I think would really get under the Niners skin.
    If he has anything left … and I’m aware he can be bad citizen.

  140. bbnate420 says:

    Also, Longwell and Hauschka were technically with the Hawks until the new league year started on Tuesday. Neither are now. They signed Wiggs to a futures contract. He has a strong leg.

    About Dexter Davis, I believe he was put on the IR before the regular season again.

  141. freedom_X says:

    klm, that pass rushing stat must be based on efficiency (production vs. snaps.) Though, I though Irvin only had 8 sacks, not 10.

    Cap space saved for the sake of cap space is wasted. If there’s nothing truly worth spending it on, it should be conserved. But a team that prizes cap space as a value in and of itself is generally a loser.

    They didn’t spend the cap money in 2012 because there wasn’t anyone they liked (though they would have spent it if Peyton Manning had accepted their invitation. Think how the Seattle fan’s world would be different if that had happened.) So they didn’t spend it just for the sake of spending it.

    The question is whether the team has the self-discipline and acumen to use the cap space when the opportunity arises. I have the feeling they’ve mapped the marked out 2 years in advance and have their signing strategies for existing players set for the next three years (i.e. ID’ed the price they’re willing to pay, the likelihood the player will play for that price, and the replacement strategy if the player doesn’t take that money.)

    I believe Harvin and Avril are players they really coveted, and so they spent it. And if there are more players they covet, they’ll spend still more. I don’t believe their philosophy is to always make sure they are $15 million under the cap.

    Avril actually has fewer question marks, really, than Clemons did coming from the Eagles. I never though Clemons was a solid run defender before he came to Seattle. It may be a case of a good fit for the system. Avril may feel the system can get him some big stats so he can cash in 2 years from now.

  142. Great post KLM! I get a different take on it though. It looks like CC got roughly 100, 50, & 100 more snaps then CA with comparable results. Now Mebane is no Suh, but I see he gets a good amount of double teams too. Therefore, if CA is comparable to CC, there’s little if any drop off from our best D lineman. Meanwhile, the rest of our linemen are progressing (except for Red and Mebane who are peaked. IF they have plans for a CC return, all the better.

  143. montanamike2 says:

    When i wake up to something big i usually say “thank god it was only a dream”. Today i’m saying “thank god it wasn’t a dream”. We need a Justin Smith type of player that can open lanes for Irvin, Aldon Smith wasn’t all that dynamic without Justin. A lot of players come off the books when it’s time to pay our other guys, i hope we draft well again, pretty sure that will happen. Best two years i’ve ever had being a ‘Hawks fan.

  144. Thanks KLM. That pretty much confirms my suspicians regarding the left vs right production. Looks like either he or Irvin is going to have to learn to play the right side more consistently and improve on their moves.

  145. bbnate420 says:

    “Cap space saved for the sake of cap space is wasted.”

    This makes zero sense to me. Unless you mean cap space that you don’t plan to use the majority of on players in the future? Why would anyone be advocating that? Saving the cap space is for signing the litany of good, young players that the Hawks have whose contracts will be expiring. At least all of the really important ones. An issue that comes from drafting so well. A good issue, but an issue none the less. Hopefully, you continue to draft well and can replace some of them, but there’s not as many roster spots on a good team for young players to make the team and develop. It’s going to be much harder for a young player to make the roster in 2013 than it was in 2010. You said that if they don’t sign players to long term contracts that it doesn’t waste the cap space. Waste is subjective, but every contract has an effect on future cap space. That’s a fact! Unless the team chooses not to roll over the cap space. Why would a team not choose to roll it over? Teams have to spend an average of 88.8 % of the cap from 2013-2016 and an average of 90 %, I believe, from 2017-2020. If you were a cheap mofo like Brownstain, and you didn’t want to spend any more than what the NFL sets the cap at, you’d choose to not roll it over so you have a lower number you have to spend 88.8 % of.

    I’m sure they have the cap mapped out years in the future. That’s why teams have people working for them with advanced mathematics degrees handling or at least assisting with their cap. Actually, I would bet that they have many different scenarios mapped out. I presume that they run all kinds of computer simulations of different scenarios. I think it’s a sure bet that the twins have a clearer picture of their cap situation than any of us. I trust them. I just don’t know how much they’re willing to let some players go in the future to try and make as strong of a SB run that they can the next couple of years. Time will tell.

  146. chuck_easton says:


    McKinnie wants to get a big starting LT contract.

    When asked about the type of money he wants and if he’d give the Ravens a hometown discount he flatly said no. He wants to get paid. His exact quote was:

    “They bought a Maserati, they need to pay for the insurance.”

    It’s nowhere in my pricerange to even have to look at this, but I’m guessing a Maserati and the insurance for it don’t come cheap.

  147. SaigonSun says:

    The reason I “lost it” after Harvin’s signing is the fact that we didn’t need him in the offence RW runs. We could have done better with another good TE (FA Cook ,or drafting the TE from ND or Stanford #25).Our receivers were good enough for the job.
    Same thing goes for the “glorified” LB Avril , who just wanted to get out of the shadow of Suh & Farley in Detroit. I hope he can deliver in Seattle, but I am 100% sure he can’t. This is even worse deal to our future than Harvin.
    The money saved would have been spent better on an veteran DT AND DE.
    As a proven gulper of the Seahawks coolaid, I am willing to give PC a chance to prove his value in this draft before I start calling for his dismissal. I did it to Mora the Moron, I can do it again to PC . I think JS is a genius and a keeper… Definitely, I am off the PC cheerleading squad.The guy had 2 to 3 good years with our team,made waves in the NFL, got the pundits to canonize him , and now he thinks he can walk on water ! I don’t think so !

  148. CDHawkFan says:

    Like many have already said, I really like the fact that Avril’s deal is only 2 years (and reasonable $), keeps him motivated and allows us to re-up some of our own in 2 years when their rookie contracts expire. Also allows for BI, and any later DE picks this year to develop. I’m still surprised that Avril settled for only 2 years. While still young, most guys try to cash in when they can (Kruger), health is not guaranteed at 28 in this league. But as we know, you are always subjected to cuts and hardly anyone makes it to the end of such long contracts without some change/cut.

    I wonder what this means for Red as Avril usually comes off over the right OT. Does Red move inside to stuff the run on 1st and 2nd down and Avril stays on the field on 3rd down? If that is the case, does BI stay LEO until Clemons is back, or if his return is shaky or not until mid year do they release him and use Scruggs and BI in a rotation? I hope they can keep Clemons as the Atlanta game is a good example. If you cut Clemons now, what happens if Avril gets hurt at the end of the year? We would be in the same boat, down to BI against most likely a Rodgers, Ryan, or Kaepernick. Having 3 guys would be great insurance. I don’t think Clemons would restructure and I personally wouldn’t expect him to. He was hurt in the line of duty and fought hard to get that 3 year contract, this is probably his last (significant) contract.

    I would assume due to cap $ that the Hawks are done in FA so that means no Branch. If that is true, I would like to see 2nd round running stuffing DT, 3rd round OLB (to replace Hill), 4th round TE (to push McCoy), a 5th on DT and another on a DE project, 6th and 7th’s OL and CB’s. My only major concern at this point is the few games when we were gashed vs the run up the middle and dealing with the 9ers OL, more so now that Branch is probably not in the picture.
    An another note, in looking at the 2013 offense cap numbers on Fieldgulls, I worry how the Harvin contract sets up. He is only on the books in 2013 for 4.9 million (assuming that is how we can afford Avril), then jumps to 13.4 in 2014, and 12.9 in 2015. Does that mean that Harvin won’t see the end of this contract as we will need to be signing/extending our own talent? I was hoping that Harvin’s contract would have been more front loaded in 2013, even if that means not getting someone like Avril. Also, Okung is 11.2 million in 2014, maybe they can extend him and get the 2014 number down.

    At the end of the day, you got to figure PC/JS will figure it out, and 2013 is going to be fun, 5 months away or so.

  149. Definitely warming to the Harvin trade. That was a much better pick than Carp IMO.

    Also, with Harvin’s quickness, he may be amazing at getting to open pockets when RW is scrambling. Something our current receivers were terrible at and got slightly better during the winning streak at the end of season.

  150. SaigonSun says:

    For those that don’t agree…think about this: our “window” is ’13 & ’14 seasons as it stands now. After that we will have to dismantle this team because we won’t be able to pay our own players.
    Sherman went on NFL network and said something in the sense there is understanding among our players that maybe they need to lower their compensation expectations in order to keep this team together. Now, that is the team chemistry ! That same environment will be destroyed by bringing overpaid outsiders ( unless they r-e-a-l-l-y perform and assimilate ). Plus, losing this years #1 and next years #3 will definitely affect our future. If I had to morgage our future for one player, that would be So.Carolina’s DE Clowney who will go #1 overall in the next draft and NOT Persy Harvin.

  151. SaigonSun says:

    I am positive that giving 7 picks for Clowney in ’14… and all of ’15 pics ( or go after him in ’16 as a FA)for Suh would be enough to establish the SEVEN YEAR SEAHAWKS DYNASTY. Can you imagine the front line that includes Clowney and Suh together? I can.

  152. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    siagon were you ACIB in another life? my god man could you be more negative? you say trading for harvin with a 1st(25), a7th and and low 3rd next year is too much but you would give up 2 years worth of picks to move up to #1 next year,(because that’s what it would take) you make no sense man, you talk of mortgaging the future for harvin but you would sell the farm for clowney?
    initially i was against the trade then i watched film and realized harvin was the only good receiver they had with AP and a QB that could only throw bubble screens to him. the coaches arfe outting this together for a run now not next year now. they do this right they could back to back Superbowl champ this .
    as far as CA he got ten sacks with DB’s that couldn’t cover my 90 year old mother.
    we have watched this staff take this team go from the low of mora to 25 seconds from the nfc championship game. most of us have question some of the moves of this staff(myself included), like the players thou i am all in at this point. this team is built to make a 2 year run right now and it looks to be a hell of a ride.

  153. Dukeshire says:

    SaigonSun – There is no reason Seattle would have to “dismantle” after the ’14 season. If there’s only one thing teams like the Pats, Steelers, and Giants have taught us it’s that even in the age of the salary cap one can remain competitive and win championships over an extended period.

  154. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    duke, don’t you think they are loading up to make a run right now thou while the cap is not an issue?

  155. banosser says:

    Saigon Sun… You just established my do not read list…

  156. banosser says:

    Hawkfan… Absolutely..

  157. CDHawkFan says:

    Loading up to me is if they would have added the likes of Osi, Woodson, or Welker, guys at the end of the career which you partically pay above their performance for ‘experience’ and looking for 1, maybe 2 years from them.

    While they are loading up on talent, its guys in or before their prime, and the amount given isn’t near where I feared (Harvin apparently saying he wanted Megatron money or Avril being $10+ million last year).

    Seems like all teams that make a push try to get (load up) 1 or 2 vets to help stear the younger guys at playoff time. I am not sure we have that. I’m wondering how PC/JS would respond to that, not having a vet who has been there (multiple divisional championships or SB) before in the locker room and on the sidelines. We potentially saw a bit of those issues last year going down 14 – 0, then 20 – 0 in the playoffs.

  158. Don’t care what it takes, we gotta beat the niners (and the stealers).

  159. There is a ‘cycle’ of opportunity that the cap helps enforce. The Seahawks will pay later in exchange for these moves, but that’s what it takes these days. I agree that teams like the Pats and Steelers have shown you can maintain a team without precipitous crashes, even those teams have their cycles up and down (in their down cycles they are no worse than average teams).

    I commented the other day that this team is spending big on free agents now because they have built their base through the draft and now its time to overspend to get over the top for a few years, and they will pay for this spending, but it doesn’t mean they will totally dismantle. They are optimizing to win big in 2013-14, and they will have tough decisions that will include restructuring contracts and losing competitions to keep some favorite players. Schneider and Carroll aren’t afraid of doing business like this, and they don’t believe in being conservative. They are playing the system they have for all its worth.

    Two years left on their contracts and they know have to optimize and build for a championship now. I’m all for it.

    And, I still can’t believe that Avrill signed for only 2 years. Very manageable. This was a great move.

  160. Dukeshire says:

    hawkfaninoklahoma – Clearly. They are stacked! But my point was simply that because they are loaded now and will have some difficult contract decisions to make in the near future, doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t remain contenders for an extended period. Again, look at the Pats. Perfect example. But to your point, yes, they are built to win now.

  161. bbnate420 says:

    Jesus Christ, seems like someone has been hitting the sauce this morning. We’re calling for the dismissal of PC already, eh? It’s must be nice to have a crystal ball since you’re 100% sure that Avril can’t deliver. Me personally, I’d be busy laying bets in Vegas or playing the stock market if I had a crystal ball.

    CD, as long as Harvin makes it to 2014, I think he’s here in 2015. They’d save either 4.9 or 5.7 mil in cap space if released before the 2015 season I believe. Okung does have a cap number of 11.24 mil in 2014, but his cap number drops almost 4 mil to 7.28 mil in 2015. I would bet they want a new deal with him before 2015 starts. They don’t want to have to franchise him probably.

    Assuming they release Obo, they have approx. 9.5 mil left in 2013 cap space I believe.

  162. BBnate, you just answered the question I was about to ask you…how much space do we have left.

  163. Stats above were courtesy of PFF, they don’t count half-sacks but give full credit to each D-guy in a true tie at the QB. So if you’re seeing stats where CA only has 8 sacks in ’12 that’s maybe why (half sacks vs full?)

  164. bbnate420 says:

    I believe I’m right, TomlPDX. Or at least close. If they had a little more than 17 mil before UFA, then Avril’s 7.5 mil, if spread out evenly, takes them to approx. 9.5 mil. Harvin’s first year deal is the same approx. cap hit as releasing Leon and Obo frees up.

  165. bbnate420 says:

    klm008, that would explain the discrepancy with the stats. Thanks.

  166. Oops BI getting 8 sacks vs 10 is PFF giving full credit instead of half for a tie-sack.

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