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Official: Percy Harvin a Hawk, will be introduced this afternoon

Post by Eric Williams on March 12, 2013 at 2:22 pm with 83 Comments »
March 12, 2013 2:22 pm

The Seattle Seahawks made the Percy Harvin trade official this afternoon. Seattle’s new wide receiver is expected to be introduced this afternoon here at the VMAC at 3 p.m. Seattle head coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider also are expected to be available.

The Seahawks officially announced that they gave up first and seventh-round picks in this year’s draft, and a third-rounder in 2014 for Harvin’s services.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that Seattle Seahawks defensive tackle Jason Jones, a Detroit native, is expected to visit the Lions today.

Also, I can confirm that returner Leon Washington will be released.

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  1. Schneider would never trade draft picks like this. Oh wait, Mr. Happy hired him and is in full command, including the final say of the roster? I wonder if some will ever figure this out? Schneider sets the table… Mr. Happy picks out what he wants. If he wants something not on the menu, he tells it to get on the menu. You can tell they have a great working relationship but I find it so funny when people talk like Schneider is the one in charge.

  2. FleaFlicker says:

    Percy Harvin is a huge pick-up for our team. Can’t wait to read Eric’s comments post press conference.

    Eric, if you have a chance to interview Leon today, make sure to let him know how many of us are sad to see him go.

  3. yankinta says:

    Now we just gotta trade Flynn to Bills for 2nd rounder and save 3.5 mil on the cap.

  4. So then we can find a good back-up for $3.5 million. Or risk a terrible back-up. Sounds reasonable. Or something.

  5. yankinta says:

    I believe in JS. We can find someone for 1 mil and draft someone in the later rounds.

  6. It’s about that pick though, if you can recoup a pick and still get a decent backup, that’s the ideal.

  7. yankinta says:

    exactly!! we also save like 5 mil against next year’s Cap. We can use it to extend our young core like KJ or Sherman!!

  8. Hey Eric–if you get the chance, ask him what number he will be wearing as a Seahawk. 12 is retired in this town!

  9. If draft picks are so important, why did we just trade three of them for a player? Isn’t the message to win now? So we want to trade a good back up QB so we can draft a rookie to make him back-up on a team that can win the SB (unless Wilson suffers an injury, in this scenario)?

  10. Sarcasticus says:

    Seriously. A rookie quarterback would be awful. I wonder what Josh Portis is doing.

  11. I would like Eric to ask about guys like John Abraham. Where is this pass rush going to come from? Maybe ask Harvin if he’s good for 10 sacks this season. He can do it all – maybe he can play some Leo too?

    For the record, I love the Harvin trade if we can add an Abraham and resign a Jones. I don’t believe it’s an either/or scenario. Sometimes you can have your cake and eat it, too.

    Perhaps we add Osi? I’m good with that as well!

  12. yankinta says:

    lol, you’re comparing Matt Flynn to Percy Harvin (All Pro player)?? WOW,,,

    I guess, once a Matt Flynn fan, always will be one. :)) He will not see the field because RW is not a running QB and he will not get injured. He only runs to pass the ball.

  13. Yes. A rookie QB backing up Wilson would be terrible. Yes – Wilson was a rookie last year – but how many QBs ever have been like him drafted in the 3rd round or later? And we want to bank on this happening AGAIN? That’s like playing the lottery and winning and then playing again EXPECTING it to happen AGAIN. Those odds aren’t good.

  14. Yes. I was comparing Flynn to Harvin. Aterall, they both could command the same in a trade and have the same contract. Good point. Don’t they play the same position, too?

  15. yankinta says:

    We will not need the Backup to play whether it’s Matt Flynn or Rookie QB. We will however see the 2nd rounder (prob. DE or DT) on the field for sure.

  16. tealskin says:

    Only problem is that the Hawks overpaid for a backup QB(as it turned out). Can probably find a FA at less cost and about as good for a game or two.

  17. yankinta says:

    Exactly, our Team is good enough to carry any decent backup QB for a game or 2.

  18. John Clayton is reporting that Mike Wallace signed with Miami for 5yrs/$65 mil. That’s bad news for us, because I don’t see Harvin signing for much less than that. If that’s the case, there will probably be a couple more moves that may be unpopular around here, but probably necessary to make this whole thing work.
    Obo and Leon are cap casualties, and my guess is Flynn is traded to Buffalo or Jacksonville for next year’s 2nd or 3rd Round pick to save cap space and recoup what we lost in this trade.
    Mind you, this is not necessarily what I want to happen, but the course of events of the past few days seems to be leading us down this path.

  19. yankinta says:

    CCVI, MW signed for 13 mil a year with Miami. We signed PH for 11 mill a year. I will bet my hard earned dollars that PH will put out way better numbers than MW!!!

  20. yankinta says:

    LOL, wow, a lot of PH haters here on this tread. Reminds me of last year when there were a lot of Russell Haters here on this Tread. I guess History will repeat itself and all of PH haters will jump on the band wagon mid-year, since they will not have a choice…. :)

  21. abqhwkfn says:

    There is plenty of cap space to keep Flynn, Percy and acquire a vet to help with the pass rush this year. The problem will be when all our rookie contracts expire.. ET, KJ, RW, Sherm…. Its gonna get expensive real fast.. So get who and what you can now to put around these guys and make a run…

  22. He’s gonna wear 11.

  23. yankinta says:

    Exactly!! by trading Flynn, we also save like 5 mil against next year’s Cap. We can use it to extend our young core like KJ or Sherman!!

  24. I agree with BobbyK on this. I also wonder where will the pass rush come from. All I can do is hope there is something brewing in a back corner that is going to include a knock-me-off-my-butt run stopper paired with a all-the-moves-possible edge rusher.

    I can’t think of any other MAJOR holes we might have…certainly there are some smaller ones, but on a major, obvious scale, only the DL sticks out.

  25. yankinta says:

    No worries, Skavage, our Pass Rush will be better because we’ll be putting up 35+ points a game next year.

    We all know when playing with a Lead, we can pin our ears back and rush the passer very well!!

  26. I don’t know that there are any PH “haters” on here, we are all just wondering if the price paid is too high and if this is the right move for this team at this point. But, I think I can safely speak for the majority of us when I say that I trust PC/JS and their football acumen.
    I do think that our offense will continue to evolve and become “elite” by the end of the year, and hopefully we win it all and no one complains about anything. BTW, if the Seahawks make it, I am definitely going to the Big Apple for the Super Bowl. Once in a lifetime opportunity in many ways.

  27. yankinta says:

    Well, the question you have to ask yourself is, if PH were available in the draft at 20th overall pick, would you trade up from 25th pick to get him??

    If the answer is yes, then that is exactly what we paid for him. You add the points worth for 25th overall pick, 4th RD and 7th RD picks, it would be equivalent to 20th overall pick this year.

    btw, YES, we will trade up to get an ALL PRO WR, with 20th overall pick!!! :)

  28. Seahawks2620 says:

    Ugh oh, Rams just picked up Jared Cook. Really nice addition. I am glad the Seahawks didn’t go five with him though.

  29. beavercleaver says:

    Yakinta, you act like you have a crystal ball. You state “RW will not get hurt” as a fact. It’s not. A couple seasons ago Brady went down with a season ending injury in the first game, who saw that coming? If we trade Flynn, name a QB that we could get as a CAPABLE back up? Name some names. Whoever you name would probably cost 3-5 million and not be as good as Flynn. You are totally counting on RW not getting hurt, which is possible, but do you really want to to throw away a whole season with SB possibilities if he does?

  30. The important thing to remember about Flynn is that he doesn’t want to be here. His agents have told the Seahawks that. He wants the opportunity to start. Brock & Damon Huard both said on their radio show that Flynn, while not outwardly a malcontent, was not helpful to RW at the QB meetings or in other aspects of the team. Both of those guys (Huards) were backups in the NFL and said that your number one job was to help and support the starter, as Flynn doesn’t do that.

  31. trout_hound says:

    That press conference was interesting. I like what Harvin said about RW, that he texted him first thing yesterday after the trade was announced inviting him to work out together and then Harvin met him in the film room at VMAC (where else?) when he arrived. Harvin also said he was told by players (probably his pal Rice) that Wilson worked and prepared like Brett Favre and that really helped sell him on the Seahawks.

  32. I too am eager to see how we are going to address the pass rush issue, but that doesn’t diminish my enthusiasm for signing an elite WR. Sounds like PH is already talking with Russ. Awesome.

    Let’s go get more good players! :D

  33. bbnate420 says:

    Wow, I love cap talk from people that obviously haven’t even glanced at it. I think you have some good points, yantinka, but they would save 2 mil on next years cap by parting with him before the 2013 season, not 5 mil. They will save 3.25 mil against the 2013 cap if traded, minus whatever is invested in his replacement. They can also roll whatever is left from that 3.25 mil to the 2014 cap if they choose. And again, anyone that looks at the 2013 and 2014 caps as separate just doesn’t get it. So saying that there is plenty of space in 2013 and to worry about resigning players later is lacking in clarity. They may keep Flynn and sign a significant player at DE, but it will affect their ability to pay players in the future. No doubt about it.

    Yantinka was right on the mark with his analogy about moving up in the first to get Harvin if he was in the draft. JS said practically the same thing in the press conference. They look at Harvin as their first round pick. He said that they would have to give up a third if he were there at 20 and they wanted to move up to get him. Obviously, the compensation is at a much different level than the #20 pick, but Harvin has also proven it in the NFL which any pick hasn’t.

    Just because you’re willing to part with 3 picks to get Harvin doesn’t mean you don’t value them. It just means that you highly value Harvin. That argument is ridiculous. That doesn’t mean you can’t value a 2nd over Flynn. I would trade Flynn for a 2nd.

  34. freedom_X says:

    I’d like to see Harvin’s comments when he first joined the Vikings (rookie days.) Was he as upbeat? Did he seem as happy? Does he do this with every new job, or is this a sign he is in a situation he likes and will get along with the rest of the program?

    If Harvin produces, he’s worth the draft picks. Seattle surely felt that they wouldn’t have room to carry a lot of rookie developmental players anyway, which is what many of them would have been (sitting behind 2nd and 3rd year players who are already maturing.)

    I wonder if Seattle will throw enough for Harvin to generate numbers. Maybe that’s where he might get unhappy, if Seattle doesn’t throw much.

    If you liked the bubble screen last season, you’ll probably be in love this season!

  35. CDHawkFan says:

    The 3 picks might add up to #20, but you certainly wouldn’t be paying that #20 pick 12 million a year. That has to count for some of the reason it didn’t cost more value in picks, key words ‘some of the reason’.

  36. I keep thinking how Peyton Manning turned average receivers into stars. It seems like we might be seeing Russell Wilson doing much the same thing. I love seeing how his work ethic rubs off on everyone around him. If he can win over someone who is already a star like Percy Harvin then the sky is the limit for this team.

  37. Yankita–We owe the Vikes a third round pick in 2014, not a fourth rounder. The third is worth a lot more than a fourth.

    Im not sure a tiny oft-injured malcontent is worth a first and third, nor am I sure Seattle wont lose a player more important down the road due to the cap problems Harvins big contract will make.

    However, I trust PC and JS to make the right decision most of the time, so Im not bashing them. Im just skeptical until I see this one working out well. Remember, not all of their picks works out nor all their trades and personnel decisions. And in this case, its all or nothing–it HAS to work out well, or its gonna be a big disaster.

    For the record, I am excited to see Harvin play, Im just wondering, like Bobbyk and others, where the pass rush will come from, and how they will find the money to pay a lot of the guys I think should be core players in the next few years.

  38. banosser says:

    This team is still a very good DE away from contending for the SB… If you need to use Flynn to get an above average DE you do it… I do not believe that DE can be found in the back of the 2nd round.. How do you think the Packer game would have gone without Clem on top of his game? Clem is gone and has to be replaced adequately.. one chip to use is Flynn.. if you have Flynn on the bench for 14 games and a substandard DE starting for 16.. you ain’t a legit contender anyway.. Now if you can keep Flynn and still fill that DE position adequately (Abraham, Freeny..) then great.. but if keeping Flynn and his contract precludes the FO from acquiring the necessary DE then a mistake has been made and potential SB yr will have been wasted…

  39. edstang45 says:

    been trying to follow this all day on phone….so sorry if this is old news but, what PH getting a year and what will the cap hit be the next few years??

  40. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    i don’t understand the people that are not happy with the 3 picks, the money he is getting paid ect. we just got a guy that can make everyone better on the offense.
    change a game with one play. RW get’s it, pete and john get it. good enough for me.

    that said when is the FA DE/DT coming to visit?

  41. man, how lucky are we to have RW on this team?

    damn right, he’s immediately contacting Harvin, and making him feel like an important part of the team. watch him keep Harvin productive and bought-in; I think guys don’t want to dissapoint someone as 100% straight-arrow committed as Wilson. And the thing is, I’m not even surprised to hear these great things about Wilson at this point.

    The re-building of our Hawks from the low point of 2007? Two big steps: 1. hire pete carroll; 2. draft russell wilson (and yes, i know there are many, many other aspects; but you kind of know what I mean, right?)

  42. Dukeshire says:

    edstang – Contract details aren’t out yet.

  43. edstang45 says:

    Gotta believe PC and JS are just doing their thing here and after the last 3 years it’s hard to argue with what their doing!!! We got one hell of a team here boys !!! They sure know how to build a team!! The proof is in the pudding….so heck yea I’m now getting excited with this move….Even though some of ya are worried, I’m trustin we just got Better!!…Go Hawks

  44. off this topic – but, wow, win a super bowl, and watch your roster just get decimated: kruger, ellerbee, lewis, reed, boldin, that’s a ton of talent lost in one off-season.

  45. Dukeshire says:

    STTBM – Do we know that yet? I believe it’s just conjecture at this point.

  46. edstang45 says:

    Oh ok Duke just saw him on NFL Network so thought the info must be out allready….

  47. edstang45 says:

    Big payday…Thanks pdway

  48. Just saw that, too.

  49. Hmm…not that I am 100% sold on this trade, but another train of thought came to mind while watching some of the RQ highlights linked above…

    Given Harvin’s ability to play so many positions, and given that Rice plays the Z position, do you think PC/JS had thoughts that not only would this move give us the ability to have an extremely talented 4 WR set, but it also protects against injury to Rice…again presuming Harvin can play the Z, which imo is easier than playing the X, which typically requires a guy that can beat bump-and-run coverage.

    Harvin’s not the big tall guy, but he can certainly get open from the slot, which means he probably has plent of skill to play the Z, which Baldwin (on the surface) doesn’t seem to have the size and speed you’d want there. So if Rice ever gets banged up, Harvin can slide into the Z quite easily.

    Another factor is the “copycat” affection teams have for success. Given the difficulty in finding two really outstanding TE’s, it’s hard to copy the Patriots, so why not go with 4 WR’s and a single outstanding TE instead of the 3+2 that the Pats use?

    And lastly one more point to ponder…Imagine come 3rd down, lining up Turbin and Harvin in the backfield with Rice, Tate, and Baldwin/Miller…Who ya gonna double team? WHo ya gonna jam off the line? Who’s gonna get the wheel pass?

    So maybe…just maybe…I’ll toss some more trust in PC/JS to find some pass rushers elsewhere and push all my chips in on this trade. I have to admit they’ve earned it these past 3 years.

    And it could easily be a huge positive for Tate, Rice and Baldwin simply because Harvin may be THE guy that draw double teams and the rest of the guys benefit as a result.

  50. Ryan Fitzpatrick was released by Buffalo.

    I’d offer Matt Flynn to the Bills for Tarvaris Jackson plus their 4th round draft pick. Jackson would be a perfectly serviceable and affordable backup to work with Bevell, Harvin, and Rice, all guys he knows. We would save a ton of money and pick up a valuable draft pick.

  51. hawkfaninoklahoma–it isnt just the picks, its the picks PLUS the huge salary which impacts our ability to a)get the help we desperately need along the D-line, and b) roll over cap space to help sign all the great young talent they keep finding, esp on defense. I dont want to end up losing Browner or Wright or Lane or esp Tate or any of those guys, just because we have too much damn money tied up in three WR’s and a TE.

    I think its gonna come down to keeping Tate or Rice after this year. I want Tate if it comes to that, but I dont really wanna lose Rice either.

  52. bbnate420 says:

    Florio must be semi-retarded. His numbers don’t add up at all in that article. I’ll take Harvin for 6 years and 67 mil over Wallace for 5 years and 65 mil any day of the week. Even with the 1st and 3rd. \

    P.S. Do ESPN and the NFL Network intentionally look for the dumbest ex-coaches and ex-players to hire? Sure seems like.

  53. Holy buckets! 11 plus million a year for a slot receiver! Wes Welker must be loving that!

    I would rather have Cruz…and the third rounder back..for that money.

    But hey, if it keeps Bevell happy (and passing the ball more) so he stays three more years and we win two SB’s, then Im cool with it.

  54. If its a six-year deal, I highly doubt we actually keep Harvin that long at that level of compensation. He’ll get hurt and/or lose effectiveness and get cut after 4 years or so.

    But Im hoping he lights it up and takes our offense to another level.

  55. errr RW highlights, not RQ. Need an edit function! :)

  56. bbnate420 says:

    Cruz is no Harvin. Cruz isn’t even the best WR on his team.

    STTBM, JS said that he would have to lose at least a 3rd to move up from say 25 to 20 had a player like Harvin been in the draft. He thinks it’s worth it. Harvin is their 1st on they had to give a 3rd to move up to get him. That’s how JS looks at it, not just yantinka.

  57. bbnate420 says:

    And Harvin is FAR from just a slot receiver. You need to watch him play if you think that.

    Who gives a spit if Welker plays from the slot if he gives you 100+ catches and 1,300+ yards a year?

  58. STTBM I’ve had similar concerns as you but I am starting to buy into this. Provided we don’t start trading away multiple picks in say 2015 and beyond (when we will need to revamp some of the roster again) I think this move will have little to no impact on us in the future. With the the contract being front-end heavy the impact to our salary cap won’t be at risk when we hit that scary timeframe of having to pony up the big dollars for all these young, later round studs that have blossomed so quickly. (RW, RS, BB, RT, BW, etc., etc.)

  59. bbnate–Cruz is the most exciting and explosive WR on his team, maybe the league. As much as I like Hakeem Nicks (and I have since I saw his famous crazy catch his last year in college), he is nowhere near as explosive a player as Cruz. Despite his drops, Cruz put up HUGE numbers and is nearly unstoppable. And he’s more durable than Harvin. And he’s not a punk. (Harvin was a punk in college too, his antics with the Vikes are nothing new).

    I also question the wisdom behind using our first on a tiny disgruntled injury prone slot WR, no matter how dynamic, when we have a real need at DT and DE, and our G and RT situation is mediocre at best and horrid at worst.

    But hey, if they can find guys to fill our holes and we win big this year then I will be one happy camper. As much as I gripe since this move makes little sense to me, I am looking forward to watching Rice, tate, and Harvin carve up secondaries–and then watch Miller do the same if they handle that crew!

  60. I dont see Harvin generating 1300 yards of offense (kick returns not withstanding) for Seattle. Not unless they change the offense considerably. But it wont hurt my feelings any if he does put up numbers like that, thats for sure!

    I get it, Harvin can play all over the place. But his lack of bulk and height will limit him if he plays at FL or SE much, and even moreso if he’s coming out of the backfield much. The risk of injury is far greater coming out of the backfield. Keeping him healthy all year will be more important to the end result than putting up huge numbers in games early, only to lose him to injury like what happened in 2012.

  61. freedom_X says:

    I’m estimating that the cap hit for year one is $4.5 million (1/6 of the $12 million signing bonus is $2 million, pro-rated for year 1) + $2.5 million base.

    So there’s room left for further moves, especially short term 1 and 2 year contracts. It doesn’t look like Seattle was going to frontload the deal (like give Harvin $14 million in year one, then ramp down the salaries in future years) so they look like they have some plans for the money in 2013.

    There’s a sharp jump to $13 million next year. But I’ve heard that many teams are projecting a big boost to revenues next year, that would raise the cap.

    Anyway, the contract seems OK (not outlandish) for a player of Harvin’s caliber. It’s not Megatron money. And maybe the Megatron money rumors were just something Kevin Seifert of ESPN was floating to make it seem justifiable for the Vikings to unload Harvin.

    While I would definitely agree receiver was not the top priority move for the team (despite whatever criticism I had for them in the regular season) you can’t wish up a pass rusher. If Seattle doesn’t like the pass rushers on the market now, there’s no point in paying $$$$$ for one.

    Better to pay the money for players that have an impact than try to fill a need with players that can’t. Just getting the “best available pass rusher” is what Dan Synder and Vinny Cerrato did with the Redskins in the 2000’s – killed their team playing fantasy football with their checkbook.

    I hope they’re trying to keep cap space open for a Elvis Dumervil trade. :)

  62. For everyone worried about losing some of our young guys when they come up as UFAs because of a lack of cash, you are right, we will lose some. Teams that stay competitive over the long haul identify their top, must have guys and pay them the big bucks. The rest of the roster orbits around them. The absolute “home grown” keepers that will make top dollar currently on the roster imo are:

    Unger (since he already got extended)

    Harvin’s arrival may ripple forward causing some tough choices down the road but that is the name of the game. Look at Baltimore getting stripped bare after their title run & monster payday to Flacco. That’s life in the NFL. The key is to make sure you win the Superbowl first! We have to keep drafting well.

    As far as rumors about D linemen visiting Seattle count me as a fan of the silent strike technique which is often employed by our FO. Better than the exciting rumor followed by emotional letdown of one that got away. We do need to pick up some bodies though, no doubt about that.

  63. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, you’re entitled to your opinion about Cruz, but I have read/heard multiple times from multiple sources that the Giants consider Nicks to be more important than Cruz. That holds weight to me. Cruz does have explosive ability. That said, his YPC dropped 6 yards from 2011 to 2012. He’s not nearly as explosive as Harvin IMO. Harvin was third in the NFL in YAC, and that’s playing HALF an effing season. Cruz was 30th with 200 less yards than Harvin in a full season. Harvin can return kickoffs. He can play from the backfield. Cruz doesn’t. Harvin had AP around him, but really nothing else. I would say Cruz was less a focus of opposing defenses than Harvin was. Harvin was right there with AP as far as team MVP before he got hurt. AP really picked up steam as the season wore on. You’d rather give up the first and sign Cruz to a big deal, knowing that the Giants could match after a week and leave your holding your junk?

    BTW, only 14.5 mil of the deal is guaranteed should he become a cancer in 2013 and they release him, the signing bonus and first year of the deal. His 11 mil base for 2014 becomes guaranteed if they choose to keep him past a certain date in the 2014 off-season.

  64. bbnate420 says:

    Again, cap room not spent this off-season can be ROLLED OVER. Just because Harvin only counts as 4.5 mil in 2013 doesn’t mean that they don’t have to squirrel money away for him and others.

    The cap is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to increase dramatically in 2014, 2015, or 2016. That is what the NFL is projecting. They’re not stupid when it comes to math. The cap was projected to be 122 mil in 2014. It was only projected to be 121 mil in 2013 but raised to 123 mil due to higher than projected increases in merchandising revenue. This could just be due to the new Nike jerseys coming out in 2012. Maybe the cap goes to like 125 mil in 2014. If you expect a giant increase, don’t say I didn’t tell ya so.

    I heard on NFL Network that Dumervil looks like he very well may take a pay cut to stay. Sources are the only thing the majority of idiots over there are good for.

  65. bbnate–YAC are incredibly misleading, in Harvins case esp. He caught so many bubble screens and the like it isnt funny; of COURSE he would have lots of YAC. Id rather have a guy who avg 15 YPC with 4 YAC avg than a guy who avg 12 with 9 YAC on avg.

    Cruz got open–a LOT. And his YPC are much better than Harvins. And the Giants may indeed value Nicks more–he’s steady and tough. Cruz has problems with drops. But people forget Jerry Rice dropped a lot of passes too–didnt matter, he’d just score on the next play. Cruz is like that. He makes plenty of tough catches.

    Coughlin is very old school. And sometimes that attitude kills your team and causes you to fail at personnel decisions. After his fumble, Coughlin refused for most of the year to play his fantastic rookie RB, and it was the wrong decision; dude is awesome and they would have won more games if the stubborn old goat had just played the kid anyway. Same with Cruz; he wouldnt play him his rookie year despite his preseason and practices. Now look at him. If the Giants continue to act like arseholes and refuse to pay Cruz and extend him after his ridiculous production of the last two years, it will prove that Coughlin is out of it.

    Coughlin likes steady guys because he’s that way. Doesnt make him right. Just wait and see what Cruz gets if he sees FA next year–it will be ridiculous. And Nicks will never see that kind of money because he isnt as much of a playmaker, he’s a chain-mover possession receiver and a red zone threat.

    As for the backfield stuff, I think Tate would do just as good as Harvin with less injury risk. After all, he’s fast as hell (if not as fast as Harvin, who is ridiculous) and much tougher and stronger, and he played RB at ND. Not too many teams use their WR in the backfield, its not because no one can do it, they just dont do it. 4.4 YPC for a guy as fast as Harvin aint that great. I for one am not thrilled with the idea of risking a 12 million a year player his size on kickoffs and as a back.

    It would have been worth it just to force the Giants to pay the man, if nothing else.

    But only time will tell if this was the right call, paying a kings ransom in picks and cash to Harvin. Should be a LOT more fun than the Deion Branch trade…

  66. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I’m not sure that I want to find out, “if they can find guys to fill our holes”. ;-)

    All of the Hawks areas of need aren’t going to be fixed this off-season. If they were, a new one would probably pop up due to injury. There’s no such thing as a team in the NFL without weaknesses.

    I thought the same injury-prone thing before I looked into Harvin. He missed 3 games in the 3 seasons before 2012. He didn’t come back in 2012 because of the problems with the team, not just the injury. He said that he went to the Mayo Clinic in 2010 for the migraines and hasn’t had one since. He’s probably taking a preventative medication for them. My mother takes one. I’ve had a few migraines. They’re no joke.

    Worries about the attitude are legitimate, but as I said they can drop him with only 14.5 mil being guaranteed after this next season if he becomes a cancer.

  67. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    so basically harvin is here two years for back to back Superbowl runs then we cut him and sign the core players. sounds reasonable to me. this is not unreasonable mike wallace’s contract was unreasonable. this is basically a 2 year try out for harvin if it works rice is restructured or gone at that point. guys like red/mebane/miller will most likely be restructure or cut at that point.

  68. bbnate420 says:

    Did you really just compare Cruz to Jerry Rice? :-o

    Tate has never run the ball like Harvin. Could be, but it has no factual basis.

    Cruz had a 12.7 YPC in 2012. Harvin a 10.9. Way better eh? And YAC being misleading. I’m not buying it. Certainly not misleading enough to account for Harvin having more than 200 more YAC yards in 8 1/2 games than Cruz could muster in 16. They had to get the ball to Harvin quickly because he had NOTHING to take the pressure off of him one out past the LOS in a route. Cruz did. The facts don’t seem to be adding up in your argument IMO.

  69. bbnate420 says:

    Well, if Cruz is as good as you think, he should certainly get a big offer soon. Teams wouldn’t let a 1st stop them from getting such a great player. Especially 2 teams like the Lambs and Vikes that have 2 1st round picks each and both have major needs at WR.

  70. yankinta says:

    STTBM, 2014 3rd rd pick = 2013 4th rd pick

  71. yankinta says:

    His salary 11 mil a year is worth it for all pro WR. He does way more than playing WR. He will have over 2000 all purpose yards next year!!!

  72. freedom_X says:

    Doesn’t NY still have the opportunity to match offers for Cruz? That’s what could keep him from getting offers (just like Wallace didn’t get any offers.) Unless teams overpay or do some poison pill thing (which I think is illegal now?) they won’t waste their time doing the Giants’ negotiating for them. That’s why I don’t think Cruz was a viable option.

    The fact Harvin was used on so many bubble screens is a testament to his running ability and agility, not a detriment. Tate is in that mold, but hasn’t proven to be match yet. Harvin is a tough player, and his real drawback if you want to call it that, is that he tries to run like Marshawn Lynch all the time.

  73. Good points mentioned on Cruz and why no one has offered him a contract. I also believe there is collusion between the owners, just as there has been no more poison pills, teams are hesitant to run up the cost of players by offering RFAs big money. Al Davis used to deliberately overpay or overoffer to drive the price up just to mess with the other owners, but everyone else seems to want to go along to get along; why kill the $9 billion a year goose, after all?!

    I think Cruz is pretty awesome. He made some spectacular catches vs our dynamic duo of Sherm and Browner. He’s damn good, and no shrimp like Harvin.

    Yankita–this isnt madden. I dont see Harvin racking up major yards from the RB position, and if Seattle uses him at KR and at RB a lot, hes just gonna get hurt.

    bbnate–Dude, I almost snorted beer out my nose because of you!

    I have to admit Im excited to see what our new Super WR Corps can accomplish. And Harvin should be tons of fun to watch.

  74. Does anyone think Rey Maualuga might be a fit here or is he more of an ILB? Sorry not sure

  75. bbnate420 says:

    I like Cruz too. Don’t get me wrong. He has less baggage but is less versatile and dynamic IMO. Regardless, we have Harvin now. I would think that someone has to make Cruz an offer. I haven’t heard any contract demands from him.

    Maualuga is a MLB. Wagner has the tools to play WLB if they wanted to sign Maualuga. I don’t think they’d spend the money on Maualuga.

  76. yankinta says:

    STTBM, I guess you don’t know a lot about NFL,, it’s okay, keep following, your knowledge will improve. :)

  77. yankinta says:

    for those that are comparing Cruz to Harvin, SMH… keep paying attention, they’re not on the same level. Harvin is an All Pro player, Cruz is a one time pro bowl player.

    It’s like comparing Marcus Trufant to Richard Sherman.

  78. yankinta–When was Harvin All-Pro?! In your wet dreams?! Cruz has put up Pro Bowl numbers two years in a row, while Harvin has yet to crack 1,000 yards receiving. Insisting Harvin has outplayed Cruz when he hasnt is just laughable.

    Your comparo makes no sense–apples to oranges. Trufant played at a high level for more than 6 years, despite making the Pro Bowl popularity contest only once, and he is OLD; Sherman is quite young. Cruz and Harvin are both young. Do I think Sherman is better than Tru ever was? Oh yeah. But your comparo fails.

    Regardless, Cruz and Harvin are two different players. The only comparisons are that they play the WR position–albeit different spots–and both are young, dynamic, and expensive. Choosing one over the other is a matter of preference. Harvin is more versatile, and thats what Schneider and Carrol crave. They got their man, and it should be a good fit. I still like Cruz a ton, and he would have likely been cheaper both in picks and money. Then again, had we signed Cruz it would have made either Rice or Tate redundant, so this way we get to keep all three studs (Harvin, Tate, Rice) which is pretty cool…

  79. yankinta says:

    Would you like to bet who will have a better 2013 year? $50? $100? Let’s put our money where our mouth is??

  80. yankinta says:

    The money can go to a Charity of our choosing…let’s say $100….

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