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Confirmed: DE John Abraham visiting Seattle

Post by Eric Williams on March 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm with 37 Comments »
March 7, 2013 2:33 pm
Atlanta Falcons defensive end John Abraham (55) walks on the field against the Seattle Seahawks before the first half of an NFC divisional playoff NFL football game, Sunday, Jan. 13, 2013, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/David Goldman)
Atlanta Falcons defensive end John Abraham (55) walks on the field against the Seattle Seahawks before the first half of an NFC divisional playoff NFL football game, Sunday, Jan. 13, 2013, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/David Goldman)

According to D. Orlando Ledbetter of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, free agent defensive end John Abraham is on is way to visit the Seattle Seahawks.

UPDATE: I can confirm that Abraham is headed to Seattle.

If true, this move makes sense. The Seahawks likely will begin the start of the season without defensive end Chris Clemons as he rehabs from ACL reconstructive knee surgery. Abraham and Clemons have a similar skill set.

Abraham, 34, had 68.5 sacks over his seven seasons with the Falcons. He had a career-high of 16.5 sacks in 2008.

Abraham was recently released by Atlanta in salary cap move.

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  1. I really want Abraham. I know how much people like Clem, but he is an upgrade, IMO. I realize he probably won’t play every snap like Clem seemed to, but he’s still a force at rushing the passer. I salavate at the thought of adding him.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Kick the tires. If they think he has anything left he would be an interesting one-year “rental”. He can play the strong side as well so there’s some versatility as well.

  3. Off-topic, but had to share:

    I’m not sure how old this is, I just saw it on FB though. For those of you who hate Skip Bayless, you’ll like it!

  4. Yeah, I REALLY like the idea of bringing Abraham in for a year. Seems like he’s got some juice left in the tank–I wonder if JS/PC agree.

  5. I would pass. I know I shouldn’t care, but I remember when we previously tried to land John Abraham and he wouldn’t even visit us. Now that he is in less demand and has fewer options he will be happy to come to Seattle. No thanks.

  6. ChrisHolmes says:

    Bayless is the least informed talking head working in sports TV today. Clueless.

  7. A few days ago I suggested Phillip Wheeler might make sense for us at OLB. John Clayton agrees…..

  8. Blocis: It’s not about grudges, it’s about whether he can make our team better, no?

  9. banosser says:

    I’m just glad JS/PC are going to bring in vet DE prospect/s.. Clem has to be considered a noncontributor at this point for next season…

  10. bbnate420 says:

    Cornutt, that’s what it should be about. It would be pretty infantile to worry about that. JS/PC weren’t here and don’t care I would bet.

  11. bbnate420 says:

    He’d be good to have on a 1-2, only 1 guaranteed, deal for the right price. Clemons is probably gone after 2013 if he doesn’t restructure.

  12. Cornutt….. your right, but I still can’t feel good about John Abraham. Beyond the spurning of Seattle years ago, I am not really keen on any of the older pass rushers.

    I would prefer adding players under 30. Like this free agent; 28 year old DE, 6.5 sacks on limited (non starter) snaps last year

  13. trout_hound says:

    Abraham is still a beast. Just look at his quarterback pressures, knock downs, forced fumbles as well as his sacks. I’d love to have him wear blue and grey.

  14. The difference between Abraham and Avril is a LOT of money. Abraham is older and won’t command huge money because of this. Avril is young and is going to get a HUGE contract because of this. For 2013 only, Abraham is the better player, IMO, but will be paid much less than Avril.

  15. Love that we’re a destination for these guys. Abraham or Freeney, either would be great with me.

    Feels like it’s gonna be a helluva fun year coming up . . .

  16. yankinta says:

    sign him up for 2 Million + incentives,, for one year.

  17. blocis: I would pass. I know I shouldn’t care, but I remember when we previously tried to land John Abraham and he wouldn’t even visit us. Now that he is in less demand and has fewer options he will be happy to come to Seattle. No thanks.

    I would agree with this sentiment, but when Abraham was a FA, Seattle also wasn’t really “a pass rusher away”, now that Seattle is indeed, a pass rusher away, from being a legitimate championship contender, his interest is Seattle is genuine. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with bringing him in. Yeah, he’s a little older, but he “only” made 1.5 million last year, so he’s going to be relatively cheap in the grand scheme of things. I mean he had 35 tackles, 10 sacks, and 6 forced fumbles last season, so this could come as a relatively genius shot in the dark.

    I didn’t like the move at first (and didn’t when I started typing this), but after thinking about it, I’d be glad to see him sign. Worst case scenario is, you have an older player with an incentive laden contract who probably wants to wear a ring on his finger. Veteran leadership from an established DE is worth it alone, his production aside, and at a quick glance (I.E I could be wrong), he only missed 2 games since 2007, since signing with the falcons. Plus, he has a name of somebody you don’t wanna mess with.

  18. FleaFlicker says:

    Glad to see RADeON is back. Always appreciate his contrarian point-of-view.

    Think it’s good to keep in mind that Clem coming back is an assumption at this point. Dude will be 32 years old before he even has a shot at getting on the field. Decent chance that his career is over. Let’s build depth in the meantime. John Abraham, if you’re that guy, then welcome to Seattle.

  19. Avril is the right age, but I have no interest in him either. Why over pay for a DE who is awful against the run?

    I agree with those of you who suggest that Abraham or Freeny could represent a good value at the right price. That does make some sense in the short term. My personal preference (and what PC indicated Seahawks would do) is continue to build the team for the long haul with younger players, not by adding older veterans to fill gaps.

  20. raymaines says:

    Nose / Face. Come on Blocis, we’re only cheering for the laundry. This sounds rude and crude, but with very few exceptions, we don’t really care about the human wearing the uniform.

  21. bird_spit says:

    Leave no stone unturned..and this one is a big one. If he has his A game for one year, it will allow for a solid vet presence on that young squad. And I suspect we will see a new Bruce when all is said and done. Bruce needs one of these vets signed.

  22. Thats true raymaines….. we normally only care about the on field production.

    Sando has a post that supports the Abraham faithful

    Still….. my preference would be for an under 30 years old DE.

  23. bbnate420 says:

    They will get a DE under 30 in the draft.

  24. freedom_X says:

    Abraham has a lot of trouble staying healthy. He gets nicked up a lot and misses a lot of games. Even if he’s cheap, if he can’t reliably stay on the field, I don’t want him.

    Better to develop a young pass rush prospect than spend a roster spot on a older guy who may only play 12 games max, be 100% effective in 8 of them, and may not be healthy by the time playoffs roll around.

    Is Seattle going to be that thin at DE? (well, if we’re signing a Chukwurah off the street, maybe we are…) But I hope we won’t be like that in June.

  25. freedom_X says:

    Well, I just saw Sando’s article and I was surprised Abraham played in that many games over the past 3 years. I suppose I was prejudiced based on his history prior to that and the fact he was out in this year’s playoffs.

    I guess that being the case I’m not opposed if the money’s right (1 or 2 year deal, anyway.)

  26. It is not hard to understand why players were not interested in playing for the Seahawks in previous years, but now, we have seen a perception that the team is a legitimate contender. Veteran players want to play for a team that can potentially go far in the playoffs. They want a shot at a ring and the bonuses that come from winning the big prize. Let’s celebrate that men like Abraham are interested, as it is a sign of respect by the veteran players. Winning breeds winning, and this is one of the factors that makes it happen. We have seen lots of players pass us by without a consideration of coming here. That day may have passed.

  27. RDPoulsbo says:

    I really like adding Abraham. I don’t really care too much about his health. He’d really only be there to bridge any gap until Clemons is healthy, then play some spot rotation between Irvin or Clemons. It’s not like they’re going to stake their entire season on him starting 16 games.

    Pair Abraham with a middle round DE to develop and they could be set for the long term without needing a rookie to step in right away. Rookie DEs seldom produce their rookie year, so I don’t think the draft is an option for the short term.

  28. J.Abraham has not only been an excellent pass-rusher for all of the years that he’s played in the NFL, but he’s also not been a detriment in either run-stopping nor coverage. The only thing that he occasionally has a problem with is penalties. According to PFF’s Performance-Based Value, Abraham’s play was worth over $3M more than he was paid. Looks like a bad move by ATL. Wish we’d gotten him from the Jets in ’06 instead of ATL. Hope he decides to sign here.

  29. freedom_X says:

    Wasn’t Seattle coming off a Super Bowl appearance when Abraham turned them down? Or maybe the year after (when they still made the playoffs?) One could argue Seattle was more of a contender then than they are right now.

    I doubt that Abraham turned Seattle down because he wanted to go to a winner. (compare Atlanta then with Seattle then.)

  30. bbnate420 says:

    Atlanta knows how good he is, they just couldn’t pay him. Not necessarily a mistake. They have to have priorities on who they’re going to resign, and they have to give Matt Ryan a giant deal soon. Welcome to the new CBA.

    I’m not really sure how much stock to put into PFF’s Performance-Based Value? The list of 10 overvalued and undervalued Hawks was uneven at best. I didn’t have any issue with their list of undervalued players. Their list of overvalued players was fairly awful as half of the players on it weren’t overvalued to me. Mike Rob, Zach Miller, Rice, Leon Washington, and Earl “Are you effin kidding me” Thomas. I don’t know how anyone could claim that ET is only worth 1.7 mil with a straight face. That alone makes the list of overvalued kind of hard to take seriously.

  31. Abraham played in post season this year – he went out after playing 15 snaps against us and then played in 44 snaps vs SF. From ’08 to present Abraham missed only 2 games, one in ’11 and one in ’12. Only in Chris Clemons 1st year with SEA (’10) did Clemons outperform Abraham at rushing the passer, and that was just ’cause Abraham had more penalties.

  32. This article is about Abraham, but PFF’s primary knock on ET is that his combined tackling efficiency for ’12 was only 4.7% (17 missed tackles). For ’11 it was 8.3% (12 missed tackles), and ’10 it was 6.8% (12 missed tackles). That’s at least partially a result of how ET is used by his coaches. It’s hard for me to argue with their stats as I only see the games on TV and rarely can make out how well ET is playing unless they target a player he apparently should be covering.

  33. Dukeshire says:

    A serious question: how would missed tackles be the result of how Thomas is being used?

  34. I’m not entirely sure how PFF is counting missed tackles after the catch, but if ET is told to roam the secondary and ‘make plays’ with his athleticism (try for the pick) rather than just make stops after the catch, and PFF counts that as a missed tackle after the catch, that’s one way. On run plays, if ET is told to play up (within 8 yds of the LOS) and make sure the QB doesn’t make it past the LOS regardless of any apparent hand-offs, where the RB (or whoever) is assigned to another specific D-player to make the stop, PFF might also see that as a missed tackle by ET if the RB runs past him. I just don’t know for sure how PFF assigns missed tackles. Should ask them. They also give poor grades to Eric Berry – seems like a possible conflict between stats and player assignments.

  35. I’ll trust PC’s evaluation, but last couple of times I’ve seen him, he’s not anywhere near the level he played just a year or two ago. I thought he was done, but again, if PC likes what he sees I just hope we don’t overpay.

  36. bbnate420 says:

    klm008, thanks for the analysis of ET from PFF. Missed tackles is highly subjective. That’s the issue with grading a lot of plays in football. It’s not nearly as easy to grade statistically as a sport like baseball is. I think stats play an important role in evaluating, but you have to be able to accurately analyze statistics and use valid formulas to determine said statistics. It seems to me like some of PFF’s statistics are good and some bad. I wouldn’t evaluate any player solely on their PFF stats, that’s for sure. You’re never going to confuse ET for Easley or Lott, but he’s more than an adequate tackler IMO. His main value is in coverage, roaming the defensive backfield.

  37. Any word on how all his visit went?

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