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Morning links: ESPN analyst Herm Edwards thinks Flynn stays put

Post by Eric Williams on March 6, 2013 at 7:50 am with 69 Comments »
March 6, 2013 7:50 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Flynn (15) passes, as Russell Wilson (3) waits for his turn next at right, Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2012, during NFL football training camp, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Flynn (15) passes, as Russell Wilson (3) waits for his turn next at right, Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2012, during NFL football training camp, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

ESPN analyst and former NFL head coach Herm Edwards joins 710 ESPN Seattle’s Bob Stelton and Dave Grosby in this audio link. Edwards believes that unless another team gives the Seattle a good offer, the Seahawks should keep reserve quarterback Matt Flynn.

“I don’t know if they even trade him,” Edwards said. “Keep the guy. I think his base (salary) is like $5 million, which is about what some of these quarterbacks make anymore when they’re the backups. That’s just mindboggling to me. But if I’m Pete Carroll, you know you’re always one injury away from losing your starting quarterback.

“And they went out and acquired Matt Flynn to compete to be the starting quarterback. I think they still feel pretty good about him. The problem is Russell Wilson has become a franchise guy for them. And that’s a good thing. You draft a guy in the third round, you can anticipate this guy to have a great future in Seattle. But unless you get something you really want, you keep the guy.”

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports has Seattle selecting West Virginia receiver Tavon Austin at No. 25 in his latest mock draft.

Rob Rang of continues to have Seattle selecting UCLA defensive lineman Datone Jones at No. 25.

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated ranks Marshawn Lynch No. 21 on his list of the top 25 power backs of all time in the NFL.

Kevin Weidl of Scouts Inc. writes that Tennessee receiver Justin Hunter’s game tape matches up to his impressive workout at the combine, and believes he could be in the mix as a first-round pick. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this.

Les Carpenter of Yahoo Sports writes that Arkansas quarterback Tyler Wilson could be surprise in this year’s draft.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Walter Payton the 7th best “power” back of all time? That right there render Burke’s entire list thoroughly worthless. (Not to mention Eric Dickerson is on the “power” back list at all. Also, as truly great as Marcus Allen was as an inside runner, I’m not sure I’d consider him a “power” back in terms of running through people.) Brown and Campbell at 1 and 2 deserved, but Riggins and Csonka (two of the most overrated RBs in league history)ahead of Walter? That’s shameful.

  2. So it appears that Wes Welker will be hitting the free-agent market, the Pats didn’t tag him. But for what I know, it sounds like he wouldn’t be a fit for Seattle’s system.

    Herm Edwards basically summed up how I feel about keeping Flynn, that we’re one injury away from a different starting quarterback, and I like having someone here that has gained some experience in the system and has room to grow, especially now that the team’s a year removed from having to divert snaps to someone like T-Jack during training camp.

  3. beavercleaver says:

    Interesting that a few years ago Josh Portis was the possible “future” sitting in that third string spot. I know they cut him when they had 4 QB’s. I wonder why they don’t bring him back to groom as a #2 in case Flynn leaves. Athletically he’s much closer to Wilson. Does anybody know if someone else picked him up or is he out of football?

  4. bbnate420 says:

    Justin Hunter would be an excellent pick for the Hawks in the 2nd. Either him or Da’Rick Rodgers IMO. I wouldn’t take Hunter in the 1st. The inexperience and lack of production versus SEC opponents worries me about him. A lot of Hunter’s production came against 3 non’conference opponents and Missouri.

  5. bbnate420 says:

    I don’t think anyone picked Portis up. They did keep him for much of the first half of the season. He was on the PS. They released him from the PS and didn’t resign him. It seems like they aren’t very high on him anymore. They might’ve been just keeping him around while Flynn’s elbow was still an issue.

  6. RDPoulsbo says:

    I wouldn’t trade Flynn for less than a 3rd, but I’d still trade him to get some value out of him. My guess is it will happen during the draft. There’s a lot of good offensive linemen at the top of the draft, but very few QBs. Most of the teams that still need a QB also need a LT. There’s going to be at least one GM out there that opts for the 1st round LT and looks to Flynn as at worst, a bridge QB.

    Flynn value in Seattle is basically as a 1 year rental at this point. So the Hawks will either have to go get a backup now to fit into the system for the long term, or they put that same need off 1 year. Either way, they will need to find a backup with a similar skillset to Wilson for the long term. If this team is primed for a SB run, it makes more sense to get that taken care of sooner than later. Having 2 2nd or 3rd round picks along with the 9 others to move around the draft to get solid pieces for a SB run makes more sense IMO.

  7. The Fells TE signing reminds me of Pete Metzellars (sp?). Back when I got to watch training camp in Cheney almost every day there was one year when we had 3 6′ 7″ TE’s in camp. Mike Tice who we got by promising to let him try out at QB which lasted 3 days was the one we kept long term. Sam Clancy went on to a become a very successful DE in the USFL. Pete Metzellars had been a basketballer with very little football background. We traded him I believe and he had a great career with the Buffalo Bills. I remember Chuck Knox saying that the best tight ends are playing forward in the NBA.

  8. I want Flynn on the team in 2013. His abilities will be displayed throughout training camp and the pre season. Maybe he will take over the title of Mr. August, who knows. If he keeps a positive attitude then there is no negative to him staying a Hawk. He’s not Russell Wilson and he doesn’t have to be. Matt can run this offense.

    Kudos to the NIners for getting what they got for A. Smith. I figured they were willing to cut him due to his salary but essentially they got paid big bucks for another team to take out their trash. That said they are taking a risk. That team has been extraordinarily healthy for the last two seasons. Will it last for a 3rd? We saw what happened when Justin Smith went out of the lineup. A great defense became pedestrian. On the other side of the ball Vernon Davis is their magic man on offense imo. Obviously they are taking a calculated risk that Kaep stays healthy. I’m still scratching my head that the Chiefs are turning over 2 2nd round picks let alone 1 for a guy who underwhelmed even behind the best offensive line in football. Oh well…

  9. Anyone who thinks Dickerson wasn’t a power back I guess never watched him play. He routinely punished LB’s and DB’s. One of the most complete backs I ever saw IMHO.

    Marcus Allen, agreed. But Dickerson? Oh yah

  10. I wouldn’t mind having Portis back on the squad. Two years experience in the same offense goes a long way. Love the physical tools of the kid.

    Good to see him prove he can stay out of trouble also, considering the only drawback on this blog was a bunch of blowhards who were essentially treating him like a reoffending felon.

  11. Why bring back a guy that the coaching staff clearly doesn’t believe is going to cut it. He had 2 years and proved NOTHING!!!

    The only good thing about him was a bunch of blowhards on this blog thinking he was going to be something, because he had good “tools” but he never developed any of them enough to be kept around

  12. If Flynn has two more years on his contract, what is keeping the hawks from restructuing it? They could lower his pay in exchange for voiding the last year of his contract. It sounds like a win win, Flynn is a FA after 2013 and hawks could have a lower cap number.

  13. Flynn’s contract basically contained a voidable 3rd year if he isn’t the starter or if he performed below average as a starter. The team was never going to pay that third year unless he was a quality starter and he will be released by then.

    How about Elvis Dumervil if the Broncos cut him? How does he fit at DE? I would like to see Elvis Dumervil and Chris Clemons at DE when healthy and junk this unbalanced line stuff.

  14. bbnate420 says:

    SMOA, Flynn has to agree to a restructured contract. Why would he? Why would he want to reduce his pay in 2013 if he knows they are going to have to cut him loose after 2013 regardless? And it seems he wouldn’t mind if his cap number in 2013 forced them to release/trade him before 2013. He wants an opportunity to start. There is zero motivation for him to restructure IMO.

    xcman, Portis only had 1 1/2 years here at the most, and he played well his first preseason here. That’s more than nothing. I’m fine with it if the coaching staff doesn’t believe in him. They’ve seen a lot more of him than I and have much more knowledge about football. But you should still be accurate when you describe his stay here, except it doesn’t fit your narrative as well.

  15. BBnate – my commontary was more to point at the people who love to point fingers at everyone else as if any of us on here are perfect

    1.5 seasons vs 2 seasons – big whoop and the premise is STILL the same!! He didn’t do enough to be kept around, he had a good preseason and didn’t show improvement enough that the staff would want to keep him.

  16. yankinta says:

    Flynn will be TRADED for 3rd round pick or Better. Y’all Watch and Learn….. :)

    All these analysts/talking heads (JC, Herms or others) don’t really know what they’re talking about,, if they did, they’d be GMs making millions….

    History has taught us better, about supply and demand, trade market, QB value, and the false info that Teams will put out to make us believe otherwise.

    Gotta sell while the demand/price is HIGH.

  17. yankinta says:

    GO HAWKS!!!

  18. raymaines says:

    Here’s a question that I know better than to ask, but hey…

    Is there really any such position as Backup QB?

    I mean, what if at the end of MF’s contract he was franchised? Would it be 4M or 20M? Don’t tell me, let me guess, twenty million.

  19. chuck_easton says:

    ding ding ding…we have a winner. If anyone did franchise their backup QB then that backup would make $16 million according to the latest numbers for franchising a QB.

    There was talk that GB might not want to let Flynn go and that they were considering franchising him. Problem was he’d then be making more than Rogers to be Rogers caddy so the idea went nowhere.

    Flynn and Wilson combined only account for 7 million or so against Seattle’s cap in 2013. Why is it that people think the team can’t afford to pay Flynn as the backup?

    Are Wilson’s feelings going to be hurt that he makes less than his backup? News flash. Anything less than drafting a backup QB lower than the slot Seattle drafted Wilson last yearand that QB will be making more than Wilson.

    Sucks to be drafted in the 3rd round and outplay your contract in a time where the CBA prohibits re-structuring of any rookie contract until after the 3rd year. Wilson gets to keep getting paid less than most backup QB’s in the NFL until at least 2015.

    The Veteran Minimum pays more than Wilson makes. And what QB in the NFL (even a career backup) plays for the vet minimum?

    Might as well keep Flynn unless some desperate team blows the GM’s socks off with an offer he can’t refuse.

  20. It was interesting to listen to Damon Huard-14 year NFL Backup, and Brock Huard-6 year NFL backup, on 710ESPN Seattle, talking about how they had heard that Matt Flynn was unhappy as the backup and that he wasn’t helpful or engaged in QB meetings. They agree that he wasn’t a malcontent, but that as a backup, it is important to help the starter be successful. There guys backed up Tom Brady (Damon-2 SB rings) and Peyton Manning (Brock) so they know what is expected of a good backup QB. They also implied that Flynn’s agents have asked for a trade, and that for team unity, it is not good that the backup makes 10X more than the starter.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Unbalanced line is an offensive line reference. No matter, I would love Dumervil here. He would be awesome at RDE in the event Clemons can’t return or bookended with Clem at LDE in over fronts (not unlike Brock). Although that puts Irvin out of a job.

    Jusjamn – I watched Dickerson plenty. And while there’s no disputing his ability and production, he routinely and intentionally avoided contact. He was certainly big enough to be a power back but did not run like one. If you recall, he refused to run up the middle during his time in Indy.

  22. We’ll find out if the Huards are correct. If they are, neither the Jets nor the Jaguars will trade for Flynn and the Seahawks will simply release him outright.

    I find it hard to believe Flynn wasn’t engaged or helpful during QB meetings so I think they are mistaken.

    Does Eric know something he’s not telling us here? He seemed convinced that the Seahawks would release Fynn outright if they can’t trade him which I found odd. They already paid him most of the money and he understands the system having been in it for 1 year. Why release him outright for a lateral move at backup QB?

  23. chuck_easton says:

    And again, it comes back to this. Wilson will be paid around $500k or so this season. Name any #2 QB on any NFL roster that is currently getting paid less than that?

    I’d venture that you could count them on one hand and have fingers left over.

    No matter who the backup is (unless it’s a rookie QB out of the draft taken in the 3rd round or later) that player will be paid more than Wilson.

    It isn’t about the money. It’s about getting value for the player or the value in keeping the player. I’m sure Flynn wants desperately to start somewhere. That doesn’t mean Seattle gives him away at bargain basement prices and it definitely doesn’t mean outright releasing him when the cap hit that would cause combined with what it would take to sign another backup would likely be very near what they will have to pay Flynn to stay.

  24. montanamike2 says:

    Flynn might have more value on the roster until another teams qb goes down and they get desperate.

  25. One loss can be the difference between home field and visiting Gbay in the playoffs in freezing weather. Or Chicago,,,,etc.

    Without Flynn even a one game injury to RW becomes significant not to mention multiple games. With Flynn in any scenario is much safer.

    Deal with it next year after drafting or signing a guy this year. Don’t be stupid.

  26. I think the difference comes down to perception. When Joe Flacco signed his deal he said that it wasn’t about the money, it was about the respect. You always hear about how important respect is to the players. While Russell may not complain about his deal, the others on the team notice. Your backup, a guy with less game experience than the starter, makes 10X more. Not 1 or 2 times. 10X. It is correct to assume that any experienced back up would make more than Russell, but it is understood in the heirarchy that a Veteran making minimum, even if it is 1 million per year, is still a backup, making minimum. You have to keep the balance within them team structure. When guys like Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor see the most important player on the team, the QB, making 10X less than the backup, that means something…and not a good something. John Schneider and Pete Carroll, who have built a team carefully and thoughtfully know this too.

  27. “Flynn might have more value on the roster until another teams qb goes down and they get desperate.”

    Exactamente! We are all discussing Flynn’s value. We know he is valuable to Seattle. His value to a potential suitor is what is in question. Internally, if Matt has a good preseason, gets some game time or starts and plays well his perceived value may go up. Or externally, if another team gets into a situation where they have injuries, get desperate, panic for whatever reason his value may go up to that team. Seattle is in the drivers seat.

    If we are betting I put the line at a 3rd round pick. Above that it’s a deal, below, no go. Yakinta, is your prediction for this off season or open ended? (p.s. I thought you already guaranteed a 2nd round pick or better for Flynn in a previous post?)

  28. Flynn has to be traded as early as possible. If it comes down to preseason, the Seahawks won’t get anything more than a 7th rounder unless Aaron Rodgers goes down.

    With a lot of guys due to receive huge contracts in the next few years, I was wondering how much their agents will use the out of whack salary structure in the years leading up to that or how much the Seahawks give to upcoming UFAs from other teams against the Seahawks in contract negotiations.

  29. “If we are betting I put the line at a 3rd round pick. Above that it’s a deal, below, no go. ”

    I think that’s right – and if it is, I agree with the strategy – – if we pick up an extra 3rd round pick for Flynn, we can still likely sign a veteran QB who fits for the back-up role.

  30. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Flynn is a career backup. Its probably best for his psyche that he stays here and lives that role, instead of getting traded to another team only to learn that reality again.

  31. I agree… whoever backs up Wilson this year is going to be paid more. And if they go super-cheap, they risk destroying an entire season for over 50 players, the coaches, and a heck of a lot of fans. I don’t think anyone should allow an entire season to go down the drain just because one player gets hurt.

    If Wilson is mad about getting paid worse than his back-up, then he should talk to his union. They were the ones who agreed that rookies can’t negotiate new contracts until after they have been in the league three full years.

    He knew when he was drafted what Flynn was scheduled to make when he was drafted. It’s not a shock.

    He won the QB battle and now he’s going to put in his time and we all know full well that when he’s been in the league for 3 years that the Hawks are going to want to extend him and he’ll be among the highest paid players in the NFL. He’s simply putting his time in right now with the rules that he knew were already in place when he was drafted.

    Wilson is smart. He knows his day is going to come. He knows the rules in that he can’t change them just because he’s exceeded expectations. He’s underpaid going into next year but there’s nothing anyone can do to change it for him until the 2015 season.

  32. Going down the list of teams, the only 2 situations I think he would upgrade as a starter are the Jaguars and Jets which coincidentally have Seahawks alumni. If neither of these 2 make an offer, he can forget about becoming a starter anytime soon.

  33. SeahawkFan12 says:

    pabs, agreed.

  34. raymaines says:

    Rodman: What you said would be true if everyone were on their second contract but RW, Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor and everybody else on the roster understands how the the CBA works against first contract players.

    As an aside, I think when this CBA is in it’s forth or fifth year there will be a revolution (a revolt?) among the players. Guys like RW and Sherman are going to demand the moon to compensate for lost earnings in previous years. Other teams have underpaid first contract players too, and it’s going to be hard for every (any) team to keep those players.

    The real stars like RW, RS, and ET will get their money, but the second tier guys like Chancellor and Irvin are going to get let go and replaced with other first contract players. Long term, the new CBA is going to reward teams that draft well. In JS/PC we trust. Go ‘Hawks.

  35. The Seahawks are in position to win a Superbowl THIS YEAR. Schneider & Carroll’s top job is to realize that goal. I’m not that worried about players feelings concerning Flynn’s contract specs. Nor am I worried about players’ pending free agency in 2014, 2015, 2016 etc. That’s the FO’s job and they are on it. We’ve moved on from our eternal slogan of “next year” so let’s get the parts we need and win this phucker NOW! Flynn may prove to be a critical piece of a title run.

  36. Ewalters7354 says:

    I always hear ET, RW and Richard Sherman will get paid.But lets not forget about Russell Okung…

  37. Russell Okung and Earl Thomas are getting paid. It’s RW & Sherman that will get the hefty raises.

  38. Okung has the 3rd highest cap figure on the team in 2013.

  39. freedom_X says:

    Second Eric Dickerson not being rated as a “power back.” Yes, he had the physical ability to run over people and demonstrated it when he wanted to. But if you want to be uncharitable, he could remind you of Shaun Alexander in terms of avoiding contact and punishment (especially after signing the big contract in both cases.)

    Both player’s careers went into a tailspin despite the players still being theoretically in their prime and still appearing to be physically healthy and capable (i.e. no major injuries.)

  40. I nominate Shaun Alexander as the #1 “power” running back of all time.
    Thought you guys might get a good laugh out of that one…

  41. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m really not that concerned about the cap or salary. I’m concerned about value. PS/PC have a very good track record with the draft, particularly in the middle rounds. I am not concerned with them getting another impact player in that area. They can find their backup QB with one of these picks. They’d also have the chance to pick up someone who’ll be a more immediate starter, like someone to replace Breno or Hill. They could also use a high pick for d-line rotational purposes. This was a line that gradually gave up more yardage on the ground as the season went on. Perhaps a replacement for Branch or Jones or rotational player to spell Mebane would help this team to a Superbowl as well. Let’s not get too carried away about what if Wilson goes down when there’s needs to be addressed in spots that will actually be counted on to play throughout the season.

  42. Ewalters7354 says:

    Just seen something on Twitter about Vince Young being an option to back up RW.What do you guys think?

  43. SaigonSun says:

    No on VY PLEASE.

  44. pabs would like that. He really wanted VY a few years ago.

    I have no problem with VY the gimmick. I do have a problem with him as a full-time starter if Wilson got hurt.

    I have heard that Colt McCoy is going to get released. I’d rather have him to back-up Wilson if Flynn were to get traded.

    Or trade a late-round pick to the Vikings for Joe Webb to back-up Wilson (and please don’t judge Webb solely on one play-off loss – nor should you judge him on the lights-out performance of his against Philly the previous year – but he’s low pay guy that I’d be comfortable with, even though I don’t think we could still win the SB with him if anything happened to Wilson).

  45. Shaun Alexander found his power inside of the 10 yard line. Outside of that he’d fold up at the first thought of contact.

  46. raymaines says:

    I’ve kind of, sort of in the past said a little bit of silly stuff about Leadership Qualities and all that sort of thing. Well, I’m going on record as telling you guys their ain’t no f*****g way in h*ll Vince Young will ever be the QB of your Seattle Seahawks. Nope. Ain’t going to happen.

    I don’t mean to point fingers, but none of this is really VY’s fault. We could blame circumstances, or people who are no longer part of the origination, perhaps even random chance, but nothing is ever VY’s fault. Not the dropped pass, the run into the teeth of the defense, or the sack. Nothing will ever be VY’s fault. Not the lack of leadership, the cancer in the locker room or anything else. Ever.

    Please God, let VY sign with the 49ers.

  47. Singularitarian says:

    The more i watch the more i hope we pick up ryan swope in round 2

  48. princeaden says:

    Dickerson was punishing at SMU with that stiffarm/forearm to the face move he did right before contact. Once he got to the Pros and specifically after a few years he became much more modest with his approach to oncoming defenders. Anyway, that’s how I remember it.

  49. Yeah, Dickerson was powerful, that’s for sure, but he seemed to take care of Eric Dickerson first and foremost and into his career a bit he seemed to avoid plenty of contact when he could too. If he had the mindset of our Beast, he’d be ranked much higher, IMO. Since he ended up with the mindset he had, I don’t necessarily think he deserves to be on this list.

  50. Ewalters7354 says:

    I don’t want Vince Young either.It just goes beyond my understanding how some here actually think Josh Portis would be a good backup and he has never showed me anything.Just having the “tools” means nothing. To me anyways.This guy can’t read a defense to save his life!

  51. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not interested in Young in any way shape or form. Ideally Seattle keeps their QB situation as is for ’13, as others have said.

  52. banosser says:

    If JS/PC can use Flynn to help turn into a vet DE or DT or use him and pick/s to move up and draft a DE or DT then do it.. straight up trade nothing less than a higher 3rd… They have prolly got their sites set on some FBS read option QB in the 6th Rd to bring in and back up RW.. and it’ll prolly work lol.. just in case someone does step up for Flynn

    NO VY.. ever..
    Colt would not be a bad option..

  53. Ewalters7354 says:

    Sorry to disagree but I do not believe Colt McCoy would be a good QB even as a backup. I mean this guy knows how to stink up a game.I loved him coming out of Texas and really felt at that time he should have been a 1st rounder.Now after some years in the league he still hasn’t improved in any area.We can blame the Browns for playing a part in that, but overall, I’ll pass.

  54. I just like him because he’s got starting experience and the skill positions of the Browns were utterly terrible when he did get to play. He could be terrible, but I think he’d be fine as a back-up. Stil, like many others, I want Wilson-Flynn together going into 2013. Having two guys of their quality brings an inner-peace to me about being secure in that position.

  55. Dukeshire says:

    I will be quite surprised if Seattle: A – moves up in the first B – gets anything more than a 4th for Flynn.

  56. I wonder how Seneca Wallace would’ve done with PC as his head coach. Same build, same athleticness, pretty heady…very similar to RW. Should still have a lot of tread left. Could be like a Charlie Batch but much, much cheaper.


  57. All right, maybe not cheaper but just another option to consider.

  58. “the only drawback on this blog was a bunch of blowhards who were essentially treating him like a reoffending felon.”

    You’re absolutely right dude. I’m all for signing him as long as they put doors the player’s lockers first. Or, better yet, let’s pay Portis a sh%*load of money, so players won’t need to hide their wallets around him.

  59. For what it’s worth – we’re mentioned among the teams interested in Woodson —

    Personally, I’d love to sign this guy. I think somewhere along the season and/or post-season, he’ll make some plays that get us where we want to go.

  60. HawkfaninMT says:

    What would Woodson’s role be here? Isn’t that 3rd Safety spot usually more in the mold of a strong safety?

  61. HawkfaninMT: He could replace Marcus Trufant as Seattle’s nickel cornerback if the Seahawks decide not to bring Trufant back.

  62. I think he may not be as fast as he once was, but is still a playmaker, whether it’s stripping a receiver or QB of the ball, or being the right spot for a pick. We have so much youth on D, a guy like Woodson could be a nice addition to a super bowl run.

  63. bbnate420 says:

    This thread sure has gone in a million different directions.

    Audible, yeah, we all remember all the times he was busted for stealing from his teammates the 1 1/2 years he was here. WTF are you talking about?

    Duke, I don’t think the Hawks would spend the money to sign Dumervil, but I don’t think it puts Irvin out of a job either. It would reduce his time from last year if/when Clemons comes back and is more effective than him. Irvin would simply play the same role that he did last year before Clemons comes back. Then they would have a 3 man rotation. And Irvin may be more effective than Clemons in 2013 if he improves significantly and/or Clemons isn’t near 100 %.

    I think the Flynn will be released because he makes 10+ times what RW makes is just plain retarded, not in an offensive way. Even if you discounted RW’s high character, I think he understands the fact that he can’t renegotiate yet. He’s not getting more money until after 2014, regardless of whether Flynn is making 14 times what he is making or Jason Campbell is making 4 times what he is.

    The only way I see them releasing Flynn before 2013 is if he is/becomes a cancer on the team, which I don’t see happening. If they release him before this season, they only save 1.25 mil against the 2013 cap and 2 mil against the 2014 cap for 3.25 mil altogether. Then you have to minus whatever you pay a backup in 2013 from that 3.25 mil, which most likely would be a significant portion of it. It doesn’t make any sense.

    I think you’re going to get higher value trading Flynn before or during the draft. There’s a chance that you get get more value after if a good starter goes down for the year, but that’s unlikely and a pretty big risk. And you’ll get much less value if that doesn’t happen. Not to mention the fact that you’d have to sign another vet during the FA period or devote a decent draft pick to a QB if you didn’t want to leave yourself with nothing after trading Flynn later on.

  64. bbnate420 says:

    BobbyK, I agree with you that RW should blame his union for agreeing to the CBA, but I would bet that at least half of the posters here would’ve been up in arms if the NFLPA had held strong and forced the owners to lock them out during games.

    The deal they signed looks pretty horrible right now. The only real things they got of substance were the safety provisions. And with the current lawsuits, I think the NFL would’ve had no choice but to institute those measures regardless. You could mention the 89 % of the cap spending requirement, but I think the NFLPA only really mentions that to save face. It will have some impact, but hardly will offset the fairly flat cap. Most teams spent that anyways. Most teams aren’t like the Bengals and being run by a greedy blowhard like Mike Brownstain.

    I would’ve been disappointed if games were missed in 2011, but I would’ve understood/sided with the players as there’s no way I would’ve voted for this CBA had I been a player. I honestly think this CBA may hurt the game if there aren’t significant increases in the cap year to year after the new TV deals, which the NFL isn’t projecting. Teams won’t even be able to keep most of their own good players, much less sign any significant UFAs. Teams desperate to sign/keep their franchise QBs will continue to raise the price of QBs. Teams will have to devote larger and larger percentages of their cap to the QB position, which obviously leaves less money for all the others. It may stabilize eventually, but I believe it will hurt teams like the Hawks and decrease the quality of the product on the field.

  65. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate420 – I think you misunderstood my post. If Clem come back healthy, Dumervil would then play LDE. In that scenario, Irvin would be without a role considering both Clem and Dumervil are 3 down ends, and pass rush is each of their strengths.

    And to further clarify, I too don’t think they’d spend the money necessary to sign Dumervil.

  66. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, has Dumervil ever played LDE? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. It’s just a question, I’m not suggesting that he wouldn’t here when paired with either Clemons or Irvin, at least some of the time. I guess it’s a matter of semantics. I was just saying that Irvin would still get some time on the field/have a role with the team with Dumervil here, albeit a reduced one. And Clem will be gone after 2013 IMO, so he’d have a large role again. Regardless, neither of us see them signing Dumervil.

  67. Dukeshire says:

    Obviously it’s a total hypothetical scenario, and one that has a very narrow scope on my part.

    Yeah, he played some strong side end before they drafted Von Miller and changed their scheme.

  68. princeaden says:

    I read where John Abraham will be visiting the Hawks soon. Hopefully he will give the good team discount.

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