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Morning links: Carroll goes to Olympia

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 28, 2013 at 7:03 am with 47 Comments »
February 28, 2013 7:05 am
Pete Carroll, right, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks NFL football team, holds a "12th Man flag" as he poses for photos with Gov. Jay Inslee, left, Wednesday, Feb. 27, 2013, during a visit to the Legislature at the Capitol in Olympia, Wash. Carroll was promoting his community efforts to prevent youth and gang violence through his program, “A Better Seattle.” (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Pete Carroll, right, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks NFL football team, holds a “12th Man flag” as he poses for photos with Gov. Jay Inslee, left, Wednesday, Feb. 27, 2013, during a visit to the Legislature at the Capitol in Olympia, Wash. Carroll was promoting his community efforts to prevent youth and gang violence through his program, “A Better Seattle.” (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll headed south on I-5 to Olympia to visit the state Capitol on Wednesday.

Carroll’s agenda included a brief meeting with Gov. Jay Inslee, along with state lawmakers, asking them for state funding to help expand a youth outreach program he heads, A Better Seattle.

“I’m fired up about our football team, but we’re here for a different reason today,” Carroll said. “We’re hoping to continue to spread the message and save some lives and save some families.”

Clare Farnsworth of has all the details of Carroll’s visit here.

Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports reports that the Niners are interested in making a trade for Darrelle Revis after making a deal to trade Alex Smith to Kansas City. San Francisco is projected to have 15 picks in this year’s draft.

Gil Brandt of has Seattle selecting Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd at No. 25 in his latest mock draft, reuniting him with defensive coordinator Dan Quinn.

Doug Farrar of Yahoo Sports has Seattle selecting UCLA defensive lineman Datone Jones in is latest mock draft.

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated gives Seattle LSU defensive end Sam Montgomery in his latest mock draft.

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports provides is top 32 players in this year draft. It’s an interesting info from the former NFL executive who still has connections in the league.

Dan Pomei of the National Football Post provides a list of players who performed well during interviews according to NFL front office men he spoke with. It includes UCLA defensive lineman Datone Jones and West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the Detroit Lions have scheduled a visit with recently released Philadelphia defensive tackle Mike Patterson.

Dane Bruglar of counts Texas A&M receiver Ryan Swope, who clocked a 4.34 time in the 40-yard dash, as one of his draft risers after the combine.

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  1. I’d swear the other guy looks more like Mr. Happy with that grin than the real Mr. Happy.

    I wonder how much the recent comments by Sam Montgomery are going to drop his draft stock. He’s talented, but there are some definite character concerns, too. If he admits to taking plays and games off, how would you be able to trust him after he’s gotten paid?

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Man, 15 picks. SF is young, good, and looking to stay that way. Good. That will only make the ‘Hawks better in the end.

  3. bbnate420 says:

    SF isn’t nearly as young as the Hawks. Gore is no spring chicken. A lot of their impact players on defense are getting up there in age, especially Justin Smith. They’re not old overall, but not necessarily that young either. I think it’s still up in the air whether or not Harbarf will be good at drafting. He didn’t really have to build a team. Certainly nothing close to what PC/JS had to do. Their 2012 draft is highly suspect at this point, though it has only been one year to be fair. Not a one of them was a significant contributor in 2012. Their 1st round pick didn’t catch a SINGLE pass. They do seem to have gotten 3 good players from the 2011 draft. Aldon Smith was a home run. Kaepernick seems to be too, although he is still very inexperienced despite the SB run. Kendall Hunter is a solid back. The rest haven’t done anything, unless you want to count Chris “Sweet Stuff” Culliver.

  4. bbnate420 says:

    It looks like the Hawks were ranked 7th and the 49ers were ranked 27th as far as average age at the beginning of the 2012 season. This is a bit misleading though as the 49ers average age is still less than one year more than that of the Hawks. A better number would probably be the average age of the starters.

  5. Remember, the 49ers drafter LaMichael James in last year’s draft. He was not active for a good portion of the season. But he was a consistent contributor for them in the back half and in the play-offs as a running back and returner. So now the 49ers have 2 legitimate back-ups to Gore after he is done. Here’s to hoping they whiff in this year’s draft.

  6. HawkfaninMT says:

    How bad can a combine affect a player? Damontre Moore was talked about as a top 5 DE and now there is a chance he can come to the Hawks… Simply because of a bad day running in his underwear? Sign me up!

    I am becoming a bit enamroed with Swope as long as it is 3rd or 4th… Lets not get too crazy!

    A draft of:

    1st Moore
    2nd Greene
    3rd Reed/Swope
    4th Swope/Hill (DT Penn St)

    would have me pretty fired up

  7. PugetHawk says:

    Brandt has the Hawks selecting Floyd out of Florida at 25. Seems like a steal according to Kirwans article where he lists Floyd as a top four player.

    Is it just me or does selecting a defensive lineman seem scary? The DL and DE rookies never seem to produce a whole lot in the first year.

  8. bbnate420 says:

    Brandt used to be a great analyst, but it seems he has become senile when it comes to predicting draft position. Unless some MAJOR red flag comes out before April 26th, there’s no way Sharrif Floyd is there at 25. Practically every other analyst has him going top 5 or at least top 10.

  9. Swope will be a slot receiver, which Baldwin already has covered. Next.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    I wasn’t suggesting they were as youg as Seattle (one of the youngent teams in the league). But they are young at many key positions, and with 15 picks in April’s draft they look to get younger and better.

  11. bbnate420 says:

    If you average the ages of the Hawks starting 22 and the 49ers starting 22 at the end of the 2012 season, the age difference is much more startling. The Hawks average is 25.3 and the 49ers is 27.9. I did replace McQuistan with Carpenter since Carpenter will be starting in 2013 and would’ve been starting at the end of 2012 if healthy. It wouldn’t make much of a difference if you kept McQuistan as the starter.

    LBCHawk, I didn’t forget about James. I said that none of them was a significant contributor in 2012, and James wasn’t IMO. He didn’t play until week 14. He had 125 rushing yards and 29 receiving yards. He was good at returning kickoffs in a very small sample, 14 attempts. He didn’t have the impact of a Robert Turbin. He had 65 rushing yards and 11 receiving yards in 3 playoff games. He also had a fumble, a big one in the SB if I remember correctly. He may be good next year and in years to come, but he hasn’t done it yet. The Whiners 2012 draft looks rather pathetic if compared to the Hawks’ 2012 draft at this point.

  12. HawkfaninMT says:

    Audible’s comment in 2012 Draft terms:

    “Russell Wilson is a QB, which Flynn already has covered. Next”

    Is Doug Baldwin an All Pro? He had a good Rookie Season and was injured most of last. While I like DB and think he’s a good slot guy, that doesn’t mean we should pass up on a potential great WR just because we have him. Also it isn’t as though I am saying we should trade into the top of the 1st round to draft him. I am suggesting a 3rd or 4th round pick.

    Swope has been the go to WR for two Franchise calibur QBs that are mobile with good/great accuracy. Does that sound like a QB the Hawks have? Further he knows how to get open when the QB breaks contain and can make YAC. What is not to like about this guy in the 4th round? Are we missing out on a complete player that will be guaranteed to come in and start that I am missing?

  13. bbnate–I agree, but lets give the Whiners 3 years to see how their draft went. Their WR and Rb’s still may pull their heads out, a-la Golden Tate. But I hope not!

  14. HawkfaninMT–We also have Tate, who really should be a slot WR. He’s almost as fast as Swope, just as agile, and much stronger and has the best leaping ability of damn near anyone in the NFL, especially for his size. What Seattle needs is a big, fast, strong WR to go over the middle and stretch defenses. Swope, good as he may be, isnt that guy.

    Not only that, we have Deon Butler, who is just as fast if not faster, and knows our system a lot better. And he wont cost a pick.

  15. Singularitarian says:

    Good write up on Swope at under “2 players i hope we dont leave the draft without.” he does look like a stud. Fast, sure hands, great routes, could play slot,split, or flanker. I would like him in the 3rd. Lots of nice looking receiver prospects in this years draft

  16. Singularitarian says:

    6 foot tall and a 37 inch verticle. Hes much faster than tate on film. He can do it all

  17. Singularitarian says:

    He can back up rice as well

  18. bbnate420 says:

    Well, the 49ers aren’t young relative to the league as a whole. They do have very young talent at some key positions. They also have age issues at other key positions, notably DL and CB. I think we all saw the impact that Justin Smith going out had on them, granted it was a small sample size.

    You are right that they will be getting younger with 15 picks. But they need some more of their picks from the previous 2 drafts to become contributors as well. 15 picks don’t do as much good if you constantly whiff on the players you draft. Harbarf’s drafting ability is very suspect to me. That was really my point. If the Hawks keep drafting like they have and the Whiners draft like they did in 2012, then it won’t be long until we overtake them. Again, one year isn’t necessarily enough to grade a draft class, but theirs looks pathetic right now. The Hawks got a guy that had 8 sacks, a MLB and QB that were top 3 in ROY balloting and look to be long term stars, and a good backup RB with their top 4 picks. They also got 3 solid contributors with their 6th and 2 7th round picks. The Whiners can hang their hat on a guy with 125 rushing yards so far.

  19. PugetHawk says:

    We have three good receivers in Baldwin, Rice, and Tate but no depth after them. Drafting a receiver usually takes time before they produce so why not add some depth and look to the future.
    Tate is gonna want to get paid after this year and Rice’s contract will either have to be restructured or he will have to have a huge year to make his salary worthwhile. Adding a receiver seems like a no brainer, even if its the first round. Best player available in this draft.

  20. Singularitarian says:

    Aldon smith, Kaeperneck and Hunter in one draft is pretty amazing if you ask me. maybe Harbaugh doesnt have the mid-late round eye but I wouldn’t call his drafting suspect

  21. bbnate420 says:

    Swope seems pretty good, but I don’t think they should draft him unless he drops significantly. It seems like he’s doing the opposite. I’d rather they take Da’Rick Rodgers at the end of the 2nd. He’s also on Brugler’s list of risers. He’s just the type of beast at WR the Hawks could use. 6’3″ 217, runs a 4.5 40, and was one of the most explosive players at the combine in terms of leaping ability and in the shuttles. He had over 1,000 yards when he was at Tenn too, so he hasn’t just played against inferior competition. They might also be able to get Wilson with one of their 5th round picks. Both of these guys are more what the Hawks are looking for.

  22. raymaines says:

    On Tues. Brock without Salk gave a list of the five players that intrigued him in the combine this year:

    About 8 minutes long, starting at the 24:30 mark

    1)Markus Weaton (WR, Ore. St.) 6’1” 182 – Brock and Damon couldn’t decide if he were a slot or wide receiver.

    2)Matt Scott (QB, Ariz.) 6’3” 197 – Late round back-up to replace Matt Flynn.

    3)David Amerson (CB, NC St.) 6’3” 194 – To replace BB when his first contract is up.

    4)Tyler Erfert (TE, N.D.) – Pass catching TE with room to grow.

    5)Datone Jones (DE, UCLA) 6’4” 280

    Sounds like a good starting point to me.

  23. bbnate420 says:

    Singularitarian, I’m not saying that the 2011 draft was a bad one for the Whiners, but the 2012 one looks absolutely dreadful thus far. I wouldn’t say that their 2011 draft is better than the Hawks 2010 or 2012 drafts either. You have to look at both years. None of the 3 drafts under PC/JS have looked anywhere close to as bad as the 2012 Whiners draft, not even only a year out. Also, Smith is the only sure fire star to me out of that 2011 draft. Kaepernick still has things to prove. You can say the same thing about RW as well, but I have faith that his work ethic will prevent him from having any really extended slumps. Hunter has looked pretty good in limited reps, but he hasn’t proven that he can handle starting yet. Not even close.

  24. bbnate420 says:

    Turbin had more total yards than Hunter did last year, 535 to 431. And I think most people here think that the Whiners have a better overall O-line.

  25. seahawk44 says:

    Raymaines, I think Tyler Erfert would be a great addition to this offense, as he would open it up for everyone else because he is a big target that Wilson would find often and he would keep defenses honest while opening opportunities for everyone else. I think he will be taken before the Seahawks pick though.

  26. Dukeshire says:

    You can try and poke all the holes you like into my very broad and general statement, all you like. The overall premise remains true however: The better SF is, only benifits Seattle.

  27. MT…here is what I actually said…

    “Russell Wilson is shorter and less athletic than Seneca Wallace. Next”

    I really doubt they’re going to use a 3rd or 4th rounder to replace a good player. If Baldwin loses his spot, it will be because a late pick or UFA beats him out of the job.

    We need a DT, another pass rushing DE, LB, OT, and FL, and we have roster spots at those positions because incumbents are either injured or under-performing…neither of which applies to Baldwin.

    Baldwin was injured last year, which happens…after his return you could clearly see he was developing chemistry with RW. I think he’s going to be RWs go to receiver next year, after having an offseason to work together.

    Slope sounds great, though…and I really wish we had a spot for him.

  28. Singularitarian says:

    Seahawks have had one of the better 3 year drafting periods in the history of the nfl. I’m not saying that Harbaugh is or will be that good in the draft, we both agree he wont draft as good as carroll

  29. bbnate420 says:

    Wheaton is only 5’11”. You must’ve gotten his bogus college measurements. Pass.

    I wouldn’t be against them taking a late round flier on Scott.

    Amerson is 6’1″ 205. He is intriguing, but he’s projected to go in the 2nd round right now. That’s too high for the Hawks IMO. Also, he mostly played off-man and zone in college, which might’ve contributed to some of his struggles. He has the physical tools to excel in press, but he will need to learn it first.

    I wouldn’t pick a TE as high as Eifert is going to go.

    Jones could be a good pick at 25. I personally think they should take Margus Hunt right now.

  30. bbnate420 says:

    I wasn’t simply trying to poke holes in your statement. Though young isn’t all that broad or general. It’s debatable whether or not your overall premise is true, but I wasn’t debating that. Having another very good team in your division makes it harder to get a good playoff seed. I was simply pointing out some facts about the ages of the teams. So the holes were definitely poked, unless you don’t believe in facts. It wasn’t meant to be personal either, but of course you took it that way.

  31. Wheaton is only 5′-11 182 lbs? Sounds like Mike Wallace. Not what Seattle needs. Neither is Swope, though if he really is 6′ tall that helps. He seems pretty slight as well. Running an official 4.34 40 time at the Combine is ridiculously fast though. Impressive!

    Still, Im with bbnate wanting the Hawks to get DaRick Rodgers at the WR position. We have several young guys around 6’tall, what we lack is the big, strong fast WR that you know darn well Carrol and Bevell crave. Why clog up the depth chart with too many of the same kind of player?

    40 times dont always tell the story. A couple WR’s ran 4.50 40’s, yet they arent the same; one of the guys who ran that fast is talked about as if he’s not fast enough to be anything but a possession receiver, the other as if he can get open deep or over the middle due to agility and the ability to get in and out of breaks quickly. So, straight-line speed is not everything.

    I know Seattle’s staff watches games and tape and doesnt let the combine stats sway them too much one way or the other, which is good.

    If they draft Swope, I will be happy–I like fast tough WR’s. But Im hoping for Rodgers, as he would seem more likely to help us form a complete WR corps.

  32. “The better SF is, only benifits Seattle.”

    I don’t mind poking at it, though, because it’s a silly statement. I presume you mean greater competition will drive our team to improve. You can’t prove a statement like that any more than you can disprove it.

    I can point to playoff seeding, as recently as last season, to prove the fallacy of your reasoning. In fact, that was the difference between this teaming reaching the SB and watching it from home.

    I would also say that playing physical teams like the 49ers wears out the players and makes them more injury prone.

    So, I disagree….A stronger 49ers team does not help us in any tangible way. But, go ahead and think that if it makes you feel better about our chances against the neighborhood bully.

  33. That’s true, if the Seahawks could have found a way to win the division, they would have skipped the Wild Card Round, played the Divisional game at home and then traveled to Atlanta for a Noon PT start rather than a 10 AM PT start. I think they would have played in the Super Bowl (and probably watched Flacco mount a game winning drive in the final 30 seconds lol).

    I think they will win the division next year, but I can’t say I am all that confident in that statement – especially if the 49ers come out with a strong draft or Kaepernick resolves his deficiencies. And if the Seahawks don’t win the division next year, that will be yet another Super Bowl appearance missed out on, similar to the Ravens for several years playing in the Steelers division.

  34. Nice to see Eric getting some on-air time and face time on 710ESPN.

  35. Dukeshire says:

    I didn’t take it that way, at all.

    One part of my comment that was general was in fact “young”. For your benifit I ought to have noted “young at key positions”, which yourself agree with. The reason that is general is due to that lack of detail. But no matter, as you said, you weren’t interested in discussing the greater point.

  36. SF didn’t get to where they are by drafting poorly – clearly they have been doing a decent job. it’s pretty clear that Douche bag has made a difference for them, coaching wise, Singletary couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag. They had a talented team that underachieved dramatically.

    I still like what the twins are doing better in the draft over the last few years but SF will make it hard to over take them.

    to the previous point about having a strong division – I think it keeps teams striving to win. Yes Baltimore had Pitt in the division and it cost them some chances but it kept them working to get better and over take them. the years they did win the division – ding ding ding – Super bowl wins came.

    I would rather be the team that is on top MORE often – and if our players stay hungry and the organization continues to make good decisions on who to keep and who to replace I think we will

  37. BTW – Revis to SF would piss me off!!

  38. I don’t mind Revis to SF. He’d start the season still less than a year removed from major surgery (in the last year of his contract, too) AND he’d cost SF a couple of high picks that won’t be able to help the Whiners in the future. Bring him on, that’s my thought. I think Richard Sherman is starting to wear off on me!

    pabs – please stop reminding me of all the scenarios where we should have been in the Super Bowl. I honestly think we should be concerned with repeating, as opposed to going for our first one and it still sickens me a little bit.

  39. Coulda, shoulda, woulda . . . the only thing that matters is that we didn’t. (insert angry face)

    Washington could say the shoulda beat us, Denver can say they shoulda beat Balt, Atl can say they shoulda beat SF. yada yada yada

  40. I didn’t realize you were pabs.

  41. Yeah I know. Such a great Seahawks team and in the end, they had as much to show for it as the 2010 team.

    A 4th quarter comeback among the greatest in NFL History, a Super Bowl Championship. It could have been legendary. Hopefully at some point Pete Carroll realizes its a problem they are blowing so many leads in the final 2 minutes. It’s gone on for 2 years with no end in sight.

    A franchise QB like Wilson only gets you to the top 8. But the teams that go on and win from there make the big end of game stops. These games are just too close and the Defenses seem to have little ability to stop a franchise QB for the majority of a game when it comes playoff time. Houston, SF and Seattle had good Defenses through the year and had a ton of trouble even looking average in the Divisional Round and beyond.

    As far as Baltimore and Pittsburgh, if Pittsburgh didn’t lose Roethlisberger this year or if they played like they did last year, I doubt Baltimore would have won that division and gone on to win the SB. So they benefited from the decline of their rival to finally get over the hump.

  42. Ewalters7354 says:

    I like the division being competitive.Remember when the hawks were the only good team in the division? Not anymore and I like it that way.A Super bowl would feel so much better if the team earns it.Not just have handouts (in reference to the division being weak for so many years).That’s just me though.

  43. No I am not Pabs but on this topic I agree – people who say “We woulda won the super bowl” . . . if we got that stop in Atlanta. Well in Fact – We didn’t And there is no certainty that we WOULD have won in SF the next week or Beat Balt in the bowl. Is there a possibility, yes, but every NFL game is different.

    And Pabs on Balt/Pitt concept – yes you are correct, but the fact that they had someone to push them every year IMO helped them win this year, but there is no evidence for that Just my opinion on watching and doing sports.

  44. I happen to agree with Duke that strong competitors make us strong as well.

    Did I hear someone mention Ryan Swope’s name??? ;-) He is the second coming of my main man, Mr. Largent…just sayin’!!

  45. freedom_X says:

    Largent ran 4.6 in the 40. But Largent had tremendous change of direction (ankle-breaking routes) besides the hands and savvy.

    If the shuttle and 3-cone times are phenomenal, then there’s the potential for another Largent. The agility drills I think get underrated a lot compared to the 40-yard dash.

  46. Great observation Freedom!! I agree – especially for WR’s

  47. bbnate420 says:

    xcman, I never said that the Whiners haven’t drafted well over the last 6-7 years or so. I commented on HARBARF’s draft record, which only goes back 2 years. The vast majority of contributors on his team were either drafted or signed by someone else. It doesn’t matter how good the administration before him was at drafting when it comes to building his team in the future. They’re gone! It’s still up in the air whether or not he’s good at evaluating and drafting players IMO. That was my point. I think it’s pretty clear that he’s a good coach. I wasn’t disputing that. Though he is a douche nozzle.

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