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Morning links: Bound for Indy

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 20, 2013 at 8:23 am with 62 Comments »
February 20, 2013 8:23 am
Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson throws as he runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis, Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)
Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson throws as he runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis, Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)

I’m flying to Indianapolis this afternoon, and should arrive later this evening for this year’s NFL scouting combine.

Beginning on Thursday, we will have wall-to-wall coverage on the Seattle Seahawks’ effort to add to the 2013 roster this week through the draft, which begins in earnest this week.

If you have questions or concerns regarding Seattle’s offseason plans, let me know in the comments section and I will try and ask those questions when we talk with general manager John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll this week.

Also, the Pro Football Writers Association is working with Google+ to put together some video conferencing with beat reporters from each team during the combine. You can learn more about that effort here, or follow the hastag #combineplus on Twitter.

Elliot Harrison of NFL.com believes the Seahawks should focus on the defensive line with the team’s first round pick. Harrison: “Much like the Niners, Seattle can go either way, but the guess here is that you want to be watching the defensive tackles, particularly the guys in the 290-300-pound range. Yes, defensive coordinator Gus Bradley left for Jacksonville, but the Seahawks aren’t changing their scheme. If Florida’s Sharrif Floydfalls to No. 25 — where the ‘Hawks reside — then he’s a possibility. Oregon’s Dion Jordan is probably going to go higher, but the athletic defensive end would be an awesome addition. I ran into him last week — the dude looks like a small forward. He should be fun to watch perform in Indy.”

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com writes that the depth of this year’s defensive line class should work in Seattle’s favor.

I talked with Doug Lange and Mark Scholten of KPUG AM in Bellingham about the Seahawks salary cap situation in this audio link.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network walks you through what coaches and scouts are looking for in each drill at the combine in this video link. This is a pretty cool feature worth checking out.

Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com offers 10 players to watch at this week’s combine.

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com expects teams to follow Seattle’s lead of drafting lanky press corners.

Veteran agent Jack Bechta writing for the National Football Post gives us a glimpse of what’s happening behind the scenes at Indy.

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  1. Singularitarian says:

    Got to say I’m pretty stoked to have Dan Quinn in the draft room with his fresh experience with college players and his talent at d line evaluation. After watching how much draft pull they give Cable on the o line i wouldnt be surprised if Quinns decision has more to to with it than Carroll. I really like how this front office is not so ego driven that they won’t let the coordinators get the guys they think fit the system

  2. Singularitarian says:

    That said i don’t know who that guy that quinn will want will be, or even feel i can guess. I wouldnt be surprised to see a fourthish round pick spent on a very tough, athletic, under sized (weight wise) defensive tackle and have him convert to backing up big red. Someone who does great in speed drills at the combine but slips for “character” issues or because he weighs 285 pounds

  3. Dukeshire says:

    I’m happy Seattle has Quinn as DC, but based on his endorsement of Jaye Howard to Carroll last year, I’m skeptical of his talent evaluation. Small sample size granted, but Carroll / Schneider are the ones I trust.

  4. sascotch says:

    @Singularitarian: I agree with you and that would be a good question to Mr. Carol and Schneider, how much input do the Coordinators and their assistance have with Draft selection? I know they will not reveal their hand when it comes to the draft, but the majority of the “analyst” have them selecting Defense in the first round.
    We all know that Pete wants to address the most area of weakness; D.E. position and/or D.T. but I think they will also be looking at OLB because, I do not think Hill will be back in a Seahawk uniform. Sure they have others that could step up but is Pete and John comfortable with them? Then there is DB, as Trufant is sure to be gone as well; maybe they will look at his brother? This is the thing, we can all speculate, but none of us really know who they will select until they make that selection; one thing for sure, they have surprised everyone when they do make their choice.
    One thing that is evident with this Draft Class, it is deep in Defensive Tackles and the Seahawks could effectively wait till the 2nd or 3rd Round of the Draft.

  5. Dukeshire says:

    We do know they’re comfortable with Smith but there is little behind him and his health has been spotty. I too think they’ll keep a sharp eye on weak-side ‘backers this week.

  6. bbnate420 says:

    Eric, will you ask PC/JS what positions they may be looking at in FA? Also, this might go without asking, but could you pay special attention to the WR, DL, OLB, and S positions?

  7. bbnate420 says:

    I think that Smith could be a pretty good WLB, but you’re right that the question is what else do they have at WLB. I haven’t seen the rest of them enough to really have an opinion. Smith’s health has been inconsistent and very well could be in the future given his size. I think a more versatile WLB would be great to have as well.

  8. Dukeshire says:

    He’s actually gotten noticeably bigger from when they drafted him. And I actually think some of his leg issues are a result of that. Pure speculation of course. But he has played really well when he’s gotten on the field. But like we said, it’s a thin position to be sure.

  9. edstang45 says:

    Id like to know their thoughts about keeping Flynn or possible trade or moving up in draft using Flynn or multiple picks to move up in

  10. SaigonSun says:

    Forget about a DT in the draft or free agency. The Seahawks should sign Eric and put him in any game (just bolt his feet to the ground,prop him with some 2x4s)and we’re good to go.Nobody passes by him. Problem solved!

  11. SaigonSun says:

    Posts like this is sue fire to get me banned from posting again,ha?
    :-) )

  12. bbnate420 says:

    I heard a number of people suggest that Zach Miller’s cap number is too high for 2013 and that he may be asked to restructure, both in the comments and in that audio link. I personally don’t especially get the logic in it. If they restructure, it’s presumably to lower the cap number in 2013 and increase it in the 2 remaining years after. I don’t see Miller forfeiting any guaranteed money. I don’t think he’s in a position where he has to. He’s still a very good player and relatively young.

    At least 4 mil of his 9.8 mil cap number in 2013 is guaranteed. His cap number may actually be 10.8 mil because of his 5 mil signing bonus, but I’m not sure whether or not that is included as part of the 3 mil roster bonus he is due 3/22? I think his cap number would still be at least 5 mil in 2013 if released because of his signing bonus. So they would only either save 4.8 or 5.8 mil if they chose to release him. More importantly, his cap number drops back down to a much more palatable 5.8 and 4.8 mil in 2014 and 2015 respectively, neither of which is guaranteed. It would be 6.8 and 5.8 respectively if his signing bonus doesn’t count as part of his roster bonuses. He would count for 1 mil against the cap in 2014 and 2015 if released.

    I believe that the Hawks have the room to absorb his high cap number in 2013 but would not have the same room in 2014 or 2015, after they have to start resigning their own good players. This definitely could’ve been part of the rationale for structuring his contract the way it is. I don’t see him restructuring without it increasing the cap numbers in 2014 and 2015. I’d rather have a very good TE in 2013 for 9.8 or 10.8 mil than not have him for 4 or 5 mil. And that would mean probably not having him in the future as well. Anyone here want McCoy as our starting TE in 2013? A rookie, someone they’d have to use up a high pick on?

    Looks like I have filled the klm void. ;-)

  13. Dukeshire says:

    I agree with you. One person in the comments section has really driven the Miller too high salary talk / even cut. can’t imagine that happening and would even be surprised if they asked him to restructure.

  14. bbnate420 says:

    Well, if Smith is up into the 230′s then he’s right at or around the same weight as a lot of the better options the Hawks will have for WLB. Some of them have better length though and may be able to add weight. I think they draft a WLB type at some point in the draft for sure. It’s just a matter of how much importance they place on it to me.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    Oh I think so. He looked thick. I really don’t think size is an issue.

  16. RDPoulsbo says:

    Oh yes…the most overrated part of the whole draft process is upon us. As I’ve said for years, whatever. I wonder what Sherman has to say about the combine in particular if he believes, mostly correctly, that the draft process is a big sham because of overhyped players.

    As for Miller, I doubt they’ll need to restructure him. He’s been playing to high expectations even if it hasn’t meant points for the FFL people to complain about. Instead, I’d like to see some contract extensions and use that cap now to keep key players in place when they have the room to do so.

  17. Carlsonkid says:

    I agree with you RD ; Aaron Curry looked phenomenal at the Combine , and we all saw how that turned out . Meanwhile , RW didn’t have the ‘measurables’ for a QB in the NFL and we all saw how that turned out too : )

    I think outside ‘backer is even more of a need than WR myself . Smith is still a relative unkown commodity , and we need a starter to replace Hill .

  18. Carlsonkid! Don’t stirr up ACIB!

    Speaking of RW – It’ll be nice to see what a full year of RW with no training wheels look like. That will be offset to a certain degree with ample video on him for other teams to study.

    Back to the combine – I would argue that the combine and senior bowl is much more important to PC and JS than other teams. They seem to be getting it right more often and one or two more years of that and we’re talking about taking this team to a title and consistent contender!

  19. Needs:
    SEA FAs
    I’d like to see S.Haushka, Jason Jones, & L.Hill, resigned. Maybe let Marcus retire and draft Desmond Trufant @ 1-25(?) – or resign Marcus at nickle for vet min. if Walter Thurmond can’t get healthy enough to play, and draft a higher need (or if Desmond is taken higher). Maybe resign A.Branch if more reasonable – why didn’t he play as well in ’12 as he did in ’11? Injured?

    SEA RFAs
    C.McDonald, C.Maragos, C.Gresham, & D.Butler are unlikely to be signed away from SEA. I’d like to at least see McDonald (unless a great DT is there to draft at 1-25) and Gresham back.

    Other FAs
    OL: LT Okung, LG Carpenter, C Unger, RG Moffit, and RT HOU’s FA R.Harris. JS may love B.Giacomini but unless Breno was playing hurt Harris looks like an upgrade in both pass-pro and run blocking (Ryan also didn’t get near as many penalties). SEA also needs Moffit to stop doubling on Breno’s guy on pass plays letting the Mike blitz untouched esp when there’s nobody left in the backfield to pick up the block. That doesn’t work on run plays either. Didn’t seem like Moffit fouled-up as much as Breno did, though. I want SEA’s OL to be the best in the NFL. They were pretty good in ’12, but nowhere near as good as SF at run-blkg.

    DL: Will C.Clemons come back healthy? Bruce Irving didn’t fill his injury-vacated shoes at the end of the season. If C.Clemons doesn’t come back healthy could SEA pick up a near replacement level FA pass-rusher (DET’s C.Avril, D.Freeney, CHI’s I.Idonije, NYG’s O.Umenyiora, SD’s A.Barnes or CAR’s M.Johnson)? Then B.Irving can continue his development (learning D.Freeney’s spin move?)
    There are some good DTs available in FA who’re able to get pressure up the middle. Hate to hurt Eric William’s team, but I’m thinking OAK could lose either R.Seymour or D.Bryant. I’d like to see SEA get another Bryant to go along with Red.

  20. Nice to see you back KLM.

    Neither Okung nor Unger are FA’s. Unger got extended already.

    I would like to see McDonald back regardless of whether or not we draft a DT and/or sign one in FA. He’s good depth, and a great teammate. Branch is the guy to watch–he was making like $5 mill and while he’s solid, he isnt a star. Dont know how much interest he’ll get in FA, nor how highly JS and PC value him.

    And its Bruce Irvin, not Irving. Sorry. Grammar nazi will return to his hole now…

  21. banosser says:

    Clem can not be counted on returning this season (esp the first 6 games).. Irvin can not be counted on filling Clem’s role (see last game in ATL).. DE has to be addressed as tho there will be no Clem.. DT has to be addressed.. someone who needs a dble team so Mebane can get up field after the QB.. These two positions are imperative for a SB run this season and need to be addressed via FA and/or draft.. but should be top priority by JS/PC.. If they don’t target one or the other in FA, then Flynn & picks will hopefully be used to move up as needed in order to secure their desired picks.

  22. Thanx STTBM – Wasn’t intending to say that either Okung or Unger were FAs, just saying who I’d like to see where on SEA’s OL. Ditto on McDonald, and still scratching my head on A.Branch. He played lots better in ’11 than ’12 and ’12 was the contract year. Was he outta position, injured, or??? Oops on the Irving/Irvin gaff. Seems like I gotta do one or two of those every post.

    Been caregiving for my 88 yo mom who died this Feb 7th, and just now getting my computer back up and running. We lost Dad in May of ’08 and the doctors accidentally found Mom had stage 4 lung cancer back in August of ’11. Softball sized tumor in the lung that had metastacized (sp?) to the lymph, adrenals, bones, liver, etc. She decided to go on hospice on Monday the 4th, stopped eating and meds late that day and didn’t get signed up by hospice until that Wednesday, then died Thursday. Miss her. Tough lady.

  23. My condolences on the loss of your parents KLM. Nice to have you back commenting on the blog.

  24. montanamike2 says:

    Sorry for your loss Kim.

  25. So sad to hear that, KLM.

  26. KLM–Wasnt meant as criticism, I just didnt understand what you meant regarding the lineman. And I was only teasing on the Irvin thing, you arent the first to call him Irving, and I myself have done it by accident, so like I said, back to my hole…

    I am really sorry to hear about your Mom and Dad. I lost my Grandmother last March, to cancer as well, and it was a long, hard slide for her and for us. We were very close, and I miss her every day. I always will. She had a lot of help from Hospice her last month or so, and the last couple weeks they were very helpful with palliative care and meds to ease her pain and anxiety.

    GeorgiaHawk, another regular commenter here lost his Mother as well, I believe, to cancer this last year, and it happened fast. I think all of us at least know someone who has lost a relative to cancer, and I think its safe for me to say our hearts all go out to you.

    So Welcome back! And I really didnt mean any harm by my comment earlier, but I am sincerely sorry if I offended you with my lame attempt at humor.

    By the way, more than a few folks here have left comments requesting you to rejoin the blog over the last year or so. You were missed.

  27. If we think it is highly unlikely that Clem will be playing the first half of next season then all the more reason to bring in a seasoned veteran on the DL that can be an impact player now plus find a good DL early in the draft that can be ready to contribute and only get better.

    We need to pay the going rate for this person as well and not squeeze the pennies too tightly if the plan is to make the SB this next season.

  28. Where’s another Clemons when we need one?! Wouldnt it be nice of the Twins could swing a deal for a Clemons Part II for a fourth round pick?!

  29. sascotch says:

    My condolences KLM. I lost my step-dad several years ago, it was my dad who turned me into a Seahawk fan back in 1977 when he came into my troubled life.
    Any way, a lot a great comments after my morning post. I really don’t think PC/JS will go nuts in FA, they may kick the tires on a few that they think will help the team in 2013/14. I am basing that on their past FA pick-ups. Besides, they have lots of Draft picks and they may think of trading back and grabbing more of those “gem” draft choices….lol.
    Irvin clearly struggled once Clem was gone (Atlanta game)and Bryant playing with a hurt foot. Our defense was limited and the Atlanta F’s figured it out. So hats off to them, we would/did the same (Washington game). Any given Sunday.

  30. SandpointHawk says:

    Klm008, first off my condolences on your loss. Second welcome back. Third, you know where to find me if you need to talk.

  31. bbnate420 says:

    I think people may read a LITTLE too much into the Atl game for Irvin. It was one game at the end of a long, grueling season for a rookie. He has significant improvements to make before 2013 no doubt, but I think too much may be being read into that one game.

    Yes the combine is overrated and over-hyped, but it does have significant value if you know what you’re looking for. Maybe the most important part of it for teams, the interviews and medical, we don’t get to see.

    RD, most of those players that they need to extend in the future they can’t yet due to CBA rules. I believe that Kam is the one exception. And any cap room left unused can be rolled over to future years, so it’s not a use it of lose it situation.

  32. bbnate420 says:

    Condolences on your loss, Klm008.

    Hopefully someone uttering the name of the LB that shall remain nameless won’t make ACIB reappear like my mentioning of Klm did. ;-)

  33. sascotch, I don’t think they will go crazy in FA’y either but this year is different than their previous ones. Before they were building a team that can compete with anyone, now that are refining that team and we have specific needs. I’m sure they’ll spend wisely and kick all the tires but I have a feeling they know what they’ll need to do and get the right personnel that can help get us to the big dance. That includes starters as well as depth players.

  34. Stop tempting fate, bbnate!

  35. hawkdawg says:

    Remember, RW had ALL the measurables but height.

    40, shuttles, accuracy, release, arm strength, great college stats and film against top D1 teams. A good Wonderlic and superb interviews.

    So we took a leap, but it was over only one variable.

  36. trout_hound says:

    Looks like Sherman is getting more press for all the wrong reasons. Pretty hilarious though.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140714/article/darrelle-revis-richard-sherman-trade-twitter-barbs

  37. I dont get all the anger and rage directed at Sherman from outside the PNW/West. Its disturbing. The East Coast/Cali bias is strong, indeed. I guess many people cant stand the idea of a player from the PNW being so good and so determined and so…not humble.

    Deion Sanders talked every bit as much as Sherman, maybe more. And Sherman will actually tackle someone, unlike that wussy pretty boy Sanders.

    And until Revis comes back from injury and can put up stats like Sherman, then Sherman is in the discussion for best corner in football. I know there isnt another young corner better, nor any DB I would trade him for.

    I generally like players that stay humble and bust their butts, but I gotta say, even when Sherman annoys me I think he’s funny as hell and I love the moxie he displays and the chip on his shoulder. May it never fade until he’s retired…

  38. Would the Seahawks consider cutting Clemons if they believe he might miss the first 6 games on the PUP? And at 32 in October, can you expect Clemons to be effective coming off ACL surgery? If not, shouldn’t the play be to clear his cap space and go after a younger but proven alternative like a Cliff Avril?

  39. Hammajamma says:

    I’d hardly call that Sherman v. Revis twitter banter a war of words. But I do want to know when Sherman started dressing like Howdy Doody.

  40. If I didn’t know Sherman like I do as a Seahawk fan then I would think he is a total jerk also. Most of us know it is part of his game and off the field they guy is ok. Non-Hawk fans don’t know the off-field Sherm and all they get is his mouth. I wish he would just shut up and play…let his actions speak for him, not his antics. But that’s not Sherm so we love him anyway. Whaddayado!

  41. SaigonSun says:

    KLM sorry for Your loss. Welcome back. We need some more sane and intelligent people here.

  42. Dukeshire says:

    If Sherman played against the ‘Hawks he would be vilified here, no question.

  43. bbnate420 says:

    TomlPDX, I actually wouldn’t mind hearing from ACIB again for a short time. I could use a good laugh.

  44. doubledink says:

    Hey, Sherm,
    Here in the Northwest we call that “Fish On!!” as we jerk the pole back.
    Gottaloveit.

  45. As long as it is only for a short time!!! ;-)

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    KLM- Love to have you back again! Don’t let anyone try and chase you off anymore.

  47. KLM – My condolences.

  48. OregonHawk says:

    KLM – Like everyone else, sorry for your loss. I lost my Gma to cancer and my mom just fought and one a Leukemia scare

  49. I love Sherm as a player, but wish he would shut his mouth.

  50. Amen, blocis…but he’s Sherm…so fat chance!

  51. I guess so, I mean trash talk on the field is one thing, but off season trash talk via twitter is abit much (for me anyway).

  52. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    blocis, that is like asking a politician to tell the truth.

  53. klm, my condolences to you and yours. Very sorry for your loss, but glad to have you and your insightful comments back on this blog.

    About ringworm Sherm, I realize that he would be annoying if he was on another team, but since he’s on ours, I love his attitude and swagger. Since Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton, we haven’t had enough Seattle athletes with the nasty ‘tude and swagger to just get in other team’s faces. I miss that fierce intensity that those guys had.

  54. btw, our boy R-Dub is looking yolked up in that picture.

  55. FleaFlicker says:

    Eric, question for you: do you see any of the recent free agents landing in Seattle? I’m thinking about DE Michael Johnson and LB Rey Maualuga (both of Cincy) more specifically. Johnson is 26 years old, coming off 11.5 sack season, and is a monster of a man (6’7″, 270). Maualuga has had some mixed results, but the USC grad might find a new home with his old college head coach and position coach. Just thinking out loud here.

    And what do you make of this kid:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/45291/forget-olympics-hunt-headed-for-nfl

  56. RDPoulsbo says:

    Sherman has no reason to “shut his mouth.” That’s why he’s my favorite player. The dude’s got swagger and he backs up his words and it helps to lift the rest of the defense. That NFL link is nothing but trash that feeds the idea that Sherman’s one of the league villains. I do believe there’s an NFL video of Sherman saying Revis is among the best. They need something to rile up fans and draw traffic in the offseason I guess. I’ve always felt if a player can’t handle trash talk, no matter the situation, then they’re too weak minded to complain in the first place.

  57. bbnate420 says:

    FleaFlicker, I’ll give you my 2 cents, not that you asked for it. I think there’s about a 0.1% chance that Johnson doesn’t get the franchise tag slapped on him if they don’t agree to a long term deal first. Maualuga could be interesting, but it would mean moving Wagner to the WLB. I’m not sure they want to do that. He has the athleticism to be a WLB anyways. He needs to improve his pass coverage. That Margus Hunt dude looks like a beast. I had never heard of him until I saw that Mayock has him tied for 5th on his list of DEs. That’s a good sign. I don’t know if I see the Hawks picking him. He looks like he could be a good 5 tech, but we already have one. Also Scruggs and Brnach if he comes back can play 5 tech. I would imagine that it would be hard for him to slide inside at all at 6’8″. Seems like he’d have trouble getting lower than most o-lineman.

  58. bbnate420 says:

    Margus Hunt:

    Strengths
    Tall, thick but athletic lineman with loads of potential. Much quicker than you’d expect off the snap given his size, and his long first step helps him pressure the outside shoulder of tackles when outside and win the gap at three-technique. Shows the ability to anchor from both the 3-tech and 5-tech spots. Has the speed to run the arm and beat tackles off the edge. Fast and strong hands stun his man, extends his arms to keep leverage. Uses his length very well to keep blockers off his body. Plays contain well on the edge, pops off his block and swallows backs with his strong upper body. Long strides eat a lot of grass when closing to the quarterback. Good closing speed. Will chase plays downfield. Height and length allow him to affect quarterbacks’ vision when unable to reach him; they also make him an ideal interior player on the field goal block team. Flashes the ability to come off the ball hard and low in short-yardage situations despite his height. Good natural strength – can anchor and shed even when he loses the leverage battle. Varies the tempo of his pass rush well once the offensive line overplays his speed rush.

    Weaknesses
    Must be cognizant to play with bend due to his height, pops up off the snap and will stand upright during the play if tired, losing leverage. Agile for his size, but is still a linear athlete with questionable change of direction and flexibility. More mobile quarterbacks and quick running backs will elude him in the backfield. Turning the corner on his initial pass rush is a chore due to his bulk. Still learning the game, must find the ball consistently. Older than most prospects (will be 25). Doesn’t bring his body when he tackles and subsequently misses a lot. Ineffective bull rush due to not playing with leverage and lacks counters when his initial move fails.

    NFL Comparison
    Calais Campbell

    That’s from NFL.com, so maybe he could play some 3 tech on passing downs.

  59. Is Toomer still on the PS? I thought he showed a lot during preseason – he might be a pleasant surprise this year.

  60. bbnate420,

    The main hope for DE Michael Johnson squeaking through the F-tag period (and ending up a Hawk!) is that the Bengals standout right tackle Andre Smith is also an UFA and a possible tag recipient. We’ll know more by March 5th obviously but I’m giving a higher percentage chance than 0.1%. I’ll go with a 2% chance, bearing in mind that I gave R. Wilson a 2% chance to be our opening day starter after we drafted him.

    For whatever reason I feel Johnson is going to end up a Seahawk. He’s one of the few FAs out there that I could see the FO anteing up big for.

  61. bbnate420 says:

    xcman, I believe that he was on the PS by the end of the year. They did take him off of it, but I believe that had put him back on by the end of the year.

    Galena, I think the Hawks definitely could be interested if he does become a UFA. I think it would be a smart move to release Clemons and sign him if that was the case. Shitty for Clemons, and the reason that players hold out for guaranteed money. I personally think Cinci would take Johnson over that tubby bastard, but I could be wrong. If Brownstain wasn’t their owner I would be pretty confident that they would have one of them signed to a long term deal before March 5th. The Bengals are going to have to start spending some money in the next 3 years.

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