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Morning links: Franchise tag period begins today

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 18, 2013 at 8:12 am with 79 Comments »
February 18, 2013 8:12 am
Seattle Seahawks' Steven Hauschka in action against the Minnesota Vikings in the first half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Nov. 4, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
Seattle Seahawks’ Steven Hauschka in action against the Minnesota Vikings in the first half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Nov. 4, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

Starting today, the Seattle Seahawks and the 31 other NFL teams have a two-week window to designate players headed toward free agency with a franchise tag designation. The deadline for teams to use the tag is March 4.

The last time the Seahawks used the franchise tag was in 2010, when kicker Olindo Mare played under a one-year franchise tag of $2.8 million.

This year, it’s unlikely Seattle will use the franchise tag.

According to salary cap guru Brian McIntyre of Yahoo Sports, the projected franchise tag for defensive tackles is $8.313 million, and for defensive ends it’s $10.993 – so it’s unlikely Seattle would franchise defensive tackle Alan Branch or defensive end Jason Jones at those numbers.

For kickers, the franchise tag is a more palatable $2.928 million, so Seattle franchising kicker Steven Hauschka is possible. However, with Carson Wiggs signed to a futures contract, it appears the Seahawks are protecting themselves for the possibility of losing Hauschka in free agency.

John McGrath of The News Tribune writes that league commissioner Roger Goodell’s nearly $30 million in total compensation in 2011 is a bit absurd. McGrath: “It would be one thing if Goodell’s $29.49 million salary reflected his sterling work. But move ahead a year, and we see that 2012 was a tough year for him. Let’s see, there was that fiasco with the replacement refs, pushed into service because the NFL locked out the incumbent officials. The cost of reinstating the incumbent officials came to about $60,000 per team — pocket change for a league that rewarded its commissioners with $22.3 million in bonuses the year before.”

Dave Boling of The News Tribune talks with former Seahawks linebacker Isaiah Kacyvenski about his continued work to curb concussions in football. Kacyvenski is working with high-tech firm MC10 in the development of skullcap embedded with sensors that players can wear underneath their helmets that measure the impacts of collisions on the field. The product, called Checklight, will be on the market this spring.

Jim Moore, writing for the Kistap Sun, maps out his offseason plan for the Seahawks, which includes trading Matt Flynn, signing recently released veteran defensive back Charles Woodson, re-signing Alan Branch and Jason Jones, signing a defensive end in free agency and drafting an offensive lineman in the first round.

Adam Teicher of The Kansas City Star talks with new Cheifs general manager John Dorsey, who raves about Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson. Dorsey: “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson. Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.”

Peter King of Sports Illustrated writes that soon-to-be free agent defensive end Dwight Freeney has personnel departments around the league buzzing, with one NFL general manager saying that he’ll leap frog New York Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora on the free agency board.

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  1. First! (or is that WORST?!)

  2. For once, I agree utterly with John McGrath. The salary and bonuses paid out to GODdell are obcene. Especially in light of how hard they fought the refs. No human being is worth that, and he did not do a good job last year.

    I dont see Kacyvenski’s product being welcomed in the NFL or college–maybe HS. Why? Because, teams dont WANT to know if a player should come out of a game. No way in hell. Player safety is still not the high priority they make it out to be, especially regarding head injuries. Its mostly lip service.

    I think its a great step forward, but getting it into the NFL will be an uphill battle.

  3. on Haushka: Dude is a young Olindo Mare. Cant make a 50-yard field goal to save his life, isnt fabulous at kickoffs (nowhere near as good as Mare). Still, cant let him go unless we can replace him with someone better. I keep hoping Wiggs will beat him out, as Wiggs has a stronger leg and can actually make 50-yarders.

  4. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    “If Schneider asked for my advice, I’d sign Woodson, trade Flynn, sign a young free-agent defensive end, keep Jones, Branch and Hauschka and draft an offensive lineman in the first round.”

    i like all that and add freeny/Osi just for and giggles. i know some don’t think Ol is a huge immediate need but i do. we need stability at OG/RT even if you believe sweezy is the answer a RG carp at LG breno isn’t the RT of the future. penalties and horrible pass pro make him a huge liability.

  5. bbnate420 says:

    High schools across the country have already limited hitting in practices like the NFL has. At least one college is doing a study on the affects of the accumulation of hits on high school players through the season. I saw it on Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. I can’t remember which college it is. The NCAA hasn’t limited hitting in practices like the NFL has. The NFL players have the NFLPA and high school players are mostly not adults yet. The college players have no union to speak for them and they are thought of as adults. That’s why the NCAA lags behind.

    If you think Goodell’s salary is obscene, you should research some CEO salaries and more importantly bonuses. Even a lot of the bums that drove the financial system into the ground. I do agree that he isn’t a very good commissioner. Although he probably does take a lot of flack for just doing what the owners want done. He’s a puppet of the owners basically.

    If Freeney is going to command more than Osi, then I don’t see the Hawks getting either. Maybe one if they choose them over going after Michael Bennett AND resigning Branch and Jones. I’d rather they go after Bennett. And possibly bring back either Jones or Branch if the price is reasonable enough. I really don’t see the Hawks signing a bunch of big moneys FAs. Maybe one and resigning either Jones or Branch. It will be interesting to see what Jones can get after his year. There’s no point in spending cap space just because you have it. You can roll the money over to future years, and the Hawks may very well need that money.

  6. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    STTBM, why is it that when an executive runs a profitable company he gets slammed for what he makes? the NFL generated 266 times as much as his salary plus bonus. funny thing is i don’t like the guy can’t stand him actually. i see no reason why he shouldn’t make what he does thou.

  7. bbnate420 says:

    And if you trade Flynn, don’t you have to sign a veteran backup? Do you want to trust a low round pick to be the backup or use one of their higher picks on a QB?

  8. bbnate420 says:

    hawkfaninoklahoma, you could say the same thing about the athletes. I’m not saying that the Commissioner of the NFL shouldn’t make 30 mil a year either, just to be clear.

  9. If Hsu’s review(FG), of GBay is similar or is even close to Seattles then one or two “Bargin” FA’s are in the cards and expect that some of our treasures will not be retained.

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2013/2/15/3992570/packers-release-charles-woodson-green-bay-model-john-schneider

  10. John Schnieder is a genius.
    Pete Carroll is an exceptional coach, motivator and talent evaluator.
    Russell Wilson is the man.

    It’s never been better to be a fan.

    GO HAWKS!

  11. orbeavhawk says:

    joreb – AMEN!

  12. Ewalters7354 says:

    Well go and chase money Freeny.You already have a ring so why not just get paid right?

    I would welcome Freeny and or Osi.But as we all know, this FO won’t pay big bucks to a guy that won’t be playing in 2yrs.

  13. I believe they will because now they know they are oh so close to winning it all that they can taste it. If it means signing a quick fix type of player (Osi or Freeney, and yes there are 3 of the letter “e” in his last name), I think they will be interested. As I said yesterday, you sign a guy like that for a bunch of money NOW and when your core guys become available FUTURE, those guys (Freeney or Osi) will be off the books since I can see them only playing in Seattle for two years (with a great ’13).

  14. No way is Hauschka worthy of the franchise tag, especially when his kick-offs are so bad and he can’t hit from long range on his FG attempts. When you can pick-up a good (old) kicker like Longwell for the veteran minimum off the street late in the season… there’s no way I’d franchise him.

  15. chuck_easton says:

    About the concussion issue.

    For Canadian football from youth through high school they have instituted a program where every player has to have a baseline evuation test to start the season.

    Any suspected concussion and they are out until a doctor clears the player in comparison to the early test.

    Bad news as a coach is you lose a kid for several weeks. Good news is we are already seeing a reduction in repeat concussions.

    The first one isn’t always bad. It’s the ones that follow that become the long term issue.

  16. DanielleMND says:

    Goodell earns more than any player, and he isn’t risking long-term brain damage (although some could argue he has clearly sustained some).

  17. edstang45 says:

    Joreb you said a mouth full there dude in a small post…I’m with ya on that one

  18. edstang45 says:

    As for Freeney and Osi, are they still productive ?? Bobbyk, has Freeney fallin off the map?? Or do both he and Osi have what it takes?? I’m not so sure….but I haven’t paid much attention to them last year or two

  19. edstang45 says:

    Im hopeful The Genius will find us the guy who will slide to us and make the big impact at pressure pressure pressure…probably a 5th rounder lol

  20. piperfeltcher says:

    Hard to say what Freeney has left as he was moved to LBer last year so he had to learn a new position and his stats suffered for it.

  21. OregonHawk says:

    It is very unusual for a rookie DE or WR to have an impact on year one, Why is that?

  22. I have Freeney falling off the map?

    I think my pipe dream involves either he or Osi for a year or two. I think my posts have been pretty consistent that I want one of those two (especially w/Clem out for awhile).

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK – I have the same pipe dream, and I also would like to see us add another good WR from the free agent market.

    Now if we do that I would like to see us either get a stud D- tackle or a A$$ pushing Guard in the first round of the draft. Or better yet trade our first round pick to a QB starved team and perhaps get another #1 pick in the 2014 draft.

    Besides, who needs high round picks when we can get great players in the mid to late rounds.

    Good times are here to stay!

  24. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hopefully the continued developement of Scruggs and/or Howard will help solve or D-line issues.

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2013-nfl-offseason/2013/2/18/3995680/seahawks-offseason-roster-free-agency-greg-scruggs-jaye-howard

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ” Who can take the Seahawks”
    “Sprinkle it in dew”
    “Cover it in chocolate”
    “and a miracle or two?”

    “Russell Wilson can”
    “Russell Wilson can”
    “Russell Wilson can cause he mixes pass with run and makes the Seahawks real good.”

    “Who can take a rainbow pass”
    “Wrap it in a sigh”
    “Give it up to Tate”
    “and make the Packer fan base cry.”

    “Russell Wilson can”
    “Russell Wilson can”
    “Russell Wilson can cause he mixes pass with run and makes the Seahawks real good.”

    “Russell Wilson makes”
    “Most every play he takes”
    “Satisfying and delicious”
    “Talk about our childhood wishes”
    “Dream about our SuperBowl dishes”

    “Who will take tomorrow”
    “And take us to our dream”
    “Seperate past sorrow”
    “And collect up all the cream?”

    “Russell Wilson can.”

    “Russell Wilson can.”

    “Russell Wilson can cause he mixes pass with run”
    “And makes the Seahawks real good.”

  26. bbnate and hawkfaninoklahoma–If you think any human, especially one who hasnt done a good job, is worth 30 million bucks annually, when the average American wage is 45k, then we have nothing to discuss. Using the argument that because many CEO’s are paid exorbitantly then its okay to pay him that much, is insane; and I mean that; INSANE. In my opinion, that is an opinion that is dangerous, crazy, and sick, and a large part of what is wrong with humanity itself, and especially Americans.

    If you want to discuss this in more detail, I am willing, but it will involve pages and pages and citations and will require the exchange of e-mail addresses and should take place outside this blog.

    If you dont want to discuss this further, that is also fine; I dont blame you, its not a fun subject. And I dont expect anyone to change their opinion; adults rarely do, unless they are already looking to have their opinion changed.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Isn’t it Presidents day?

    Or should I say future Presidents day?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzPzrh214G4

    I would be glad to see Wilson making 30 mil if he could run this country like he has run the Seahawks so far.

  28. Hammajamma says:

    Freeney causing a buzz seems like a deak. This FO doesn’t get into bidding wars for 30 somethings on the downslope.

  29. How do we know they won’t go after him? We don’t. They have a track record of wanting to go young because they were rebuilding. That made sense. But now they are close and can afford to get a guy they think they need now. That changes things. I think they will always want to be young, but I don’t think they will purposely stay away from an older player just for the sake of it (or they never would have brought a guy like Trufant back this past year and that was before they knew how close this team was).

  30. sluggo42 says:

    Freeny is done. Too old.
    I think any of the old guys would play here for next to nothing to have a chance at a ring. There are only 2 or 3 teams that are appealing and have a legitimate shot.

    Many FA will be deeply interesting to come here…

  31. He might be done, but I think Freeney still has a little something left in the tank.

  32. How many BIG money contracts will there be in the free agent feeding frenzy of 2013?

    As it stands there are 10 teams currently over the cap. 6 more teams have less than $10M in space. That’s half the league sitting a bit cash strapped, granted many moves can be made to alter those numbers. Couple that with the fairly frequent “bust” ratio for the huge $$$ deals & you’ve got to wonder if this could be the year where NFL FOs show some unilateral restraint causing some big names FAs to go for relatively low paying deals. There will always be teams that throw caution to the wind but the consistently successful models show that road to be very rocky. If the big dollars dry up and player “X” is going to play for what they perceive to be a discount, then at equal money Seattle will look like a very appealing place to play being in contention and all.

    We just might get one or more of these big money seeking, big name guys for a relative bargain price.

    One more name I’m sure someone has mentioned but haven’t seen much of is Anthony Spencer, LB from Dallas. He would be a DE/LEO in Seattle. 29 yrs old with 11 sacks. Just one more option to throw into the hat.

  33. bird_spit says:

    Portis could back up RW. I suspect if Portis was given reps in camp, he would make a great backup, with capability to manage this run first offense.

  34. If your backup qb only sees the field in mop up duty then anyone makes a great 2nd stringer. If you are counting on your backup qb to go out and win games during the meat of the season or the playoffs then it’s great to have a guy like Flynn. Who in the NFL has a better 1-2 QB tandem then the Hawks?

    We’re not going to give Matt Flynn away. At least I hope not.

  35. bbnate420 says:

    Very good points on your last two posts, Galena. I don’t think they will just give Flynn away this year. I can’t see him still being here in 2014 though unless something very bad happens to RW.

    I think a lot of people here are still in the old CBA frame of mind when it comes to FA. There weren’t a ton of really big money FAs signed last off-season. The cap is not going up 10+ mil a year like it was under the old CBA. You’re not going to see salaries grow very much for players, and teams will have to be very careful about the amount of guaranteed money they give to FAs in the coming years. I think anyone believing that the Hawks are going to go out and sign 2 big money FAs is living a pipe dream. There’s maybe a slight chance if they can get them for only one year of guaranteed money, but that’s not likely. I just hope they can add Michael Bennett and retain Jones or Branch for a reasonable price.

    BobbyK, Hauschka was a very solid kicker last year. Above average on FGs and not as bad as you seem to suggest on kickoffs. I’m not necessarily saying that he’s worthy of a franchise tag, but he’s not someone you want to lose without a good replacement. I don’t think Longwell fits that bill anymore. Hauschka was tied for 11th in FG percentage. He was only 1-4 from beyond 50. His touchback % was 42.4. The league average was 45.4. That’s not exactly horrible. And reread edstang45′s post. I believe he was asking you if Freeney had fallen off the map, not suggesting that you said that.

    Freeney’s sack numbers have fallen the last 2 years in a row, not just when he was moved to OLB. He is 33 years old. I’m not saying he’s definitely falling off the cliff, but it’s a fair question to ask. I’m for bringing him in if they can get him for only one year guaranteed and 5 mil or less, assuming they don’t sign Bennett. That probably won’t happen if you believe Peter King. Osi had a bit of a down year in 2012, only 6 sacks, but I believe he’s more likely to be a contributor in 2013. I wouldn’t give him a long term, big money contract either. He’d be a good fit for a reasonable price. I believe that Danny O’Neill said that he doesn’t think the Hawks will offer him a lucrative, long term deal but that there is a fit. Spencer is intriguing. He has the size to play Leo, and the Cowgirls are saying that they would like to retain him. If he stayed with the Cowgirls he would have to switch to DE in Kiffin’s defense. It does worry me that he didn’t have a big breakout year until his contract year.

  36. edstang45 says:

    Bobbyk I was asking your opinion not suggesting you said Freeny is falling off the map, that was/is my concern.. I Hear alot about Krueger I think he would be expensive. JS and PC are working their plans, we made a big big jump last year, we need to continue with another big jump with the D-line. I’m just suggesting JS will pull another big move this off season. I haven’t a clue who would fit this teams need, and keep the cap in great condition for our future contracts for the guys we have now! But I do feel the improvement of the D-line will be the one area of need to get us into the SB,or not. I get alot of things to think about on this blog, great fun..Great Time to be a Hawk Fan!!

  37. edstang45 says:

    Nice link GeorgiaHawk, I like it!!!

  38. Southendzone says:

    You gotta look beyond stats to decide if Freeney &/or Osi are a fit here and still have any miles left on them.

    Freeney played on a 2-14 team in 2011 and on a team with a bad defense that was outscored in 2012. Not setting up favorable conditions for him the accrue a ton of sacks.

    With Clemons being hurt and our D line showing some weakness at the end of the season they need to bring in some bodies and Freeney has a history of getting it done. If they use him right he could be a great 1 or maybe 2 season player for us.

  39. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I don’t know if a division has gone from so bad, to so good, so fast like the NFC west has.

    http://goldengatesports.com/2013/02/16/49ers-why-the-seahawks-are-their-biggest-threat/

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I see Albert Haynesworth is at the bottom of the D-line free agent list.
    What’s a Haynesworth these days?

  41. sluggo42 says:

    Haynesworth is about the same as a bozworth… Or basically, very little

  42. bbnate420 says:

    Good link, Georgia. I think you can take Johnson and Melton off that list with 99.9% certainty. If Avril and the Lions can’t agree to a long term deal then there’s a chance they might not franchise him. They are approx. 1.1 mil over the cap already. They could cut other players though. He’s the only other DE besides Bennett that I see out there worthy of a long term deal. Signing him would probably mean the end of Branch here though and them drafting a replacement. I forgot that Seymour was a FA. He could be an excellent signing for the right money. I don’t think he will command a lot.

    Southendzone, I wasn’t suggesting that you could evaluate Osi and Freeney solely based on the number of sacks they had in 2012, but their statistics are significant. I can’t bring them in for a workout. I don’t think anyone else here can either. I don’t have the coaches tape and don’t necessarily have the expertise to evaluate them. I’ll trust PC/JS and staff to do that. I personally wouldn’t give either of them a large, multi-year deal. Not unless you’re going to cut Clemons anyways. I did say that I would take either of them for the right price. You have a point about Freeney in 2011, but I don’t really buy your argument about 2012. They were in plenty of close games. He had plenty of opportunity to rush the passer. The fact that he was playing a different position holds more water than that, although Mathis was still able to produce. It stands to reason that he has slowed down at 33 years old. The question is how much.

  43. chuck_easton says:

    Either Osi or Freeney would be a stop gap fix for 2013. This in the event Clemons doesn’t make it back.

    I wouldn’t see either of them as long term. The team will still need to get Irvin/Suggs ready and/or get another body or three in the draft.

  44. bbnate420 says:

    Starks would be an excellent signing at DT. Let Jones and Branch walk, sign Starks, and draft a DT. They could still maybe even bring Jones back on another 1 year deal if his value dropped due to being injured. I thought Starks was bigger than 305 lbs, but I must’ve been thinking of Soliai. He’s still very good against the run and should provide more of a rush than Branch. He’s been productive for a long time and is durable.

  45. bbnate420 says:

    I don’t think anyone sees Freeney as a long term fix. But if you believe Peter King, they might have to pony up a lot of coin to get him here. And maybe more years than they want to guarantee. I wouldn’t guarantee him over one year.

  46. Ewalters7354 says:

    As much as I would love for the hawks to sign Michael Bennett, I just don’t think it’ll happen.He seems to be a 5 tech that can slide to DT in pass rush situations.Anyone on the hawks d-line sound similar? That to ME is Red Bryant. Also, the hawks have a lot of money tied up in the d-line.So I believe they’ll add a cheap, underachieving player at DT(ala Desmond Bryant or Sedrick Ellis), draft a pass rusher at either, and at least have interest in Osi or Freeney(got it right this time bobbyk lol) for the right price.Another name to watch out for it Victor Butler.A athletic, pass rushing LB who fits the Leo perfectly.

  47. bbnate420 says:

    STTBM, I’m not going to really get into it here with you, but I would bet that we probably agree for the most part. Just so I’m clear, I wasn’t suggesting that it’s okay for someone to get paid 30 mil a year because other CEOs make more. I’m not suggesting that it’s not okay for someone to make 30 mil a year either. I was pointing out that there are a lot of CEOs making/that made a lot more than he is out there that did a lot worse job than he is doing if you want something to be pissed about. He didn’t run his company into the ground and then walk away with a 9 figure bonus. I wouldn’t say that nobody is worth 30 mil a year, but income inequality does concern me if you wanted to know.

  48. bbnate420 says:

    The Hawks do have significant money tied up in the D-line, but Jones and Branch together were at approx. 8.5 mil. They don’t have to resign either. Only approx. 3.7 mil of Clemons’ 8.2 mil cap number in 2013 is guaranteed if they chose to cut him. And then only approx. 2.2 of his 9.7 mil 2014 cap number is guaranteed if they want to cut him after 2013. If they’re going to make any significant investments in FA, D-line is where they should do it IMO.

    As far as Bennett being like Red, I don’t see that at all. He is much more versatile than Red is. It’s questionable whether or not he could play any Leo, but they can just have Irvin at Leo and Bennett at either 5tech or DT on passing downs. Bennett has value at multiple positions along the line. Don’t get me wrong I like Red, but even when he doesn’t have a torn plantar fascia he can’t rush from the 5 tech and he can’t really be effective inside. He did wash out as a DT. He’s not very effective there.

  49. Ewalters7354 says:

    I agree that Bennett has value along the d-line.Not LEO though.He is around 285 (not exactly sure) and doesn’t fit that role.But he is also a starting d-end that plays the same position and is used the same way as Red.He’s a better pass rusher no doubt.He will also demand big bucks.So even though I would love the hawks to bring him in, I just can’t se them paying two guys big bucks who play the same position.

  50. If memory serves me correct, Bennett was a DT for us (but did have versatility to kick out) until Tampa moved him to end. Definitely not a Leo type of guy.

  51. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    STTBM, 30million-10% charity= 27million -64% state fed taxes= 10 million give or take, feel better ? he never sees most of that money. i have no problem with what he makes because he worked hard to get that job. i don’t care what average income is the average person couldn’t do his job. this is not a morality issue he didn’t cheat anyone to make this money . owners decide what he get’s paid based on profitability nothing more nothing less.

  52. bbnate–We’re good. I dont expect everyone to completely agree with me on anything.

    hawkfaninoklahoma–You are assuming an awful lot, such as Goodell not being able to write any of that income off. There are many tax-write-offs available for those who make such huge salaries. In the end, the 64% he pays tax on will be taken out of far less than 30 million.

    Also, I would argue that Goodell has cheated many to get where he is, and to stay there. I firmly believe he influences referee calls by grading those who dont call things for big-market and/or “hot” teams the way he wants, and by upgrading his “pets”. There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence out there. Just look at the way calls are enforced differently week to week, and even within a game for different teams; this wasnt the case under Tagliabue, whatever his shortcomings.

    He’s part of the good ol boy network, where those actually doing the work are devalued as much as possible, while those pulling the strings keep as much as possible.

    And no, I am not okay with anyone making 10 million a year. I dont believe any CEO is worth that. But thats just how the world works right now.

  53. Bennett seems like a guy we could go after if Jones leaves. While they arent the same player, Bennett is pretty adaptable. I like him a lot, and would love to see him come back to Seattle.

  54. bbnate420 says:

    BobbyK, I do think he played DT while here, but I think they looked at him as a bit of a tweener.

    I wasn’t trying to suggest that Bennett would be the starting Leo. I was just wondering if he could play the Leo or RDE in certain, limited situations like if he and Red were both in at DE. Ewalters, ESPN, Fox, and Wikipedia all have him listed at 6’4″ and 274. He could very well weight more but, that’s his listed weight. He did primarily play the same position with the Bucs as Red does, but that doesn’t mean they have to play him all the time at the 5 tech here. And I don’t agree that they do the same things. Red is kind of a one trick pony. It’s a good trick no doubt when healthy but one nonetheless. You are right that they would take some time away from each other and may not be compatible long term. The versatility of Bennett does make it possible though IMO. I think they could utilize both for 2013 at least.

    It does depend how much Bennett is going to command in payment. I don’t know that they should sign him if they have to pay him around 10 mil a year. Anybody they sign at DE is going to have to share time, especially when Clemons comes back. They already have Red and Irvin. When Clemons comes back they will have both him and Irvin at Leo. Some of this depends on how much Irvin improves before next season obviously. Avril could be the better long term fit, but he very well might not be available and he will command a large contract. Larger than Bennett I would assume.

    I think there’s an excellent chance that Clemons won’t be here in 2014, unless Irvin completely flops next year, so they could look at a longer term 3rd DE. They also may look at asking Red to restructure after 2013. His contract is only guaranteed through 2013.

  55. bbnate420 says:

    Bennett is vastly superior to Jones IMO, but he will cost a fair amount more. Jones has the potential to produce like Bennett has lately, but injuries or other reasons have stopped him from doing so thus far.

  56. Look for the Hawks to find a value DE/DT (or both) in FA. I highly doubt we’ll see them invest huge money for a big name. Possible “reasonable” money for a big name that has one or two years remaining and wants to shoot for a trophy.

    I could easily envision the Hawks with a couple guys on the downhill that will rotate in with some of our youngsters to form an overall D-line that puts regular heat on the QB. But I don’t see any big dollars being thrown at anyone.

    Also interesting to note…the Hawks were a very, very healthy team overall last season. But ultimately the one position where we weren’t, is the one that ended up biting us in the butt. Injuries across the entire D-line ended up being a glaring need this offseason. Had everyone remained healthy I think we would have beaten Atlanta and it wouldn’t have been that close. So while we need help there, we weren’t terribly bad there last year, until the various injuries started catching up with us.

  57. raymaines says:

    Skavage: I agree, sort of. Maybe not so much.

    I think the Hawks get a value DE/DT, but a younger guy. Maybe F/A Desmond Bryant, maybe a draft pick.

    Remember the first year of the current brain trust, when they made about 247,000 roster moves and now they make almost no roster moves. Free agent signings are going the same direction. I’m going to be surprised if there are even two FA signings, one big one small this year. It’s all about the draft.

  58. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    STTBM, i am not assuming anything, you are assuming that a ceo pays for anything work related,”usually not” now i did not take into account that he could shelter some of the income in retirement deferred options and such.

    i guess what bothers me most is it’s ok for payton manning/drew breeze to make 20+ million a year but not the guy who keeps thing running so they can.
    i already said i don’t like him actually can’t stand him that aside thou this is what the market says he deserves. some coaches are getting paid 5-10 million a year, is that too much? if you think it is why? if someone is willing to pay you to do a job is that not fair based on the fact that they are willing to pay it? i don’t believe anyone held a gun to their head.
    as far as the calls rule changes ect. i agree but in the end profitability is why he get’s the bonus. cheated people again i am not going to argue that point no one get’s that high in an organization without some cut throat moves.
    STTBM no hard feelings i just believe that no matter how obscene a pay check is if they got it honestly. how stupid is it that someone agreed to the contract? maybe that is what we should be talking about , that someone would actually pay him that kind of money,lol neither here nor there enjoyn your posts.

  59. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Perhaps with a weak QB class this year the Seahawks could get a third round pick or better for Flynn. Hope so anyways.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/matt-barkley-geno-smith-landry-jones-2013-qb-class-lacking-franchise-players-021813

  60. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Good stuff TomlPDX. Seems like this draft is deep in pretty much all the positions that we need to upgrade in. I can’t wait to see how this all plays out.

  61. Thanks Georgia. Reading your article about QBs makes me glad we have RW. We’re not in a do or die situation anymore. Now it has to do with who our backup is and gives us options to chose someone like EJ Manuel or Landry Jones in the mid rounds and develop them. Do we keep Matt? I hope so because I’m a Matt fan but I think he actually does offer value to a club that really needs a QB and we should capitalize on that.

    There are diamonds in the rough in this year’s class of QBs. I’ve watched Barkley for the past 4 years and personally, think he can overcome his Sr year and be a player. His freshman year was amazing. I’ve also watch Manuel from the get go and he has it too…just needs to learn good, solid technique and stay calm in pressure situations. RW has that (he doesn’t look calm while scrambling but I know that kid is thinking how do I gain yards downfield, not how do I get out of this mess!)

  62. I think Manuel would be a good back up here – probably the closest guy in the draft to match what RW does here (meaning you can keep the same things in the play book even if he was forced into playing time)

    There will be a number of FA signings everyyear – every team has some turn over, most of it is just on Role player type players. A young Role player out grows his team or their ability to pay them, teams replace them with draft picks or other role player types

  63. I want to keep Jeff Hostetler (i.e. Matt Flynn). If we dump Flynn for a mid round pick, we’re screwed if anything happens to Wilson, IMO. With Flynn, I believe we can keep on keepin’ on and still win a Super Bowl. One thing about Wilson is that I love how he is smart enough to “get down” on many of his runs to avoid stupid hits that he doesn’t need to take. He did go the extra mile a few times in the play-offs (opened himself to injury more) but that is because he is a winner who wanted to “get ‘er done.” Still, I don’t believe most elite teams can overcome a loss to their most important position but, right now, the Seahawks are one of the few who can and I want to keep it that way!

  64. That’s the FO’s decision. I hope we keep Matt too but I have a feeling there will be takers out there for the right price. Hoss, that brought back memories! Always liked that dude.

  65. edstang45 says:

    Id like to keep Matt also. But I think if RW goes down then our offense would have to change, atleast a bit. RW has the mobility and composer to make a play, I think that changes dramatically no matter who comes in. So I would not mind if Matt does leave if we get a bigtime pressure guy in return.

  66. montanamike2 says:

    We’d have to get something substantial in return for our backup qb.
    I also believe Irvin will get better over the next two years. I think we need help at DT the most and then find another will, we grabbed Wison at the right time so that frees us up to look at other positions.
    I believe they might take a flier on a late round project qb or move Portis up. JC/PC said they would like to draft a qb every draft, with 10 picks plus Flynn we’re sitting better than in years. I also see Scruggs and Mcdonald getting better this year.

  67. Ewalters7354 says:

    Just read an article at fieldgulls about Bennie Logan.I have watched this guy play and I must say he is intriguingPowerful (when he wants to be), has a quick first step and so on.Not saying he’ll make an immediate impact, but I believe in a few years he’ll be a force.Danny Kelly compares him to Henry Melton.

  68. hawkfaninoklahoma–Im not okay with any player making that much money, it pisses me off. However, the players are risking their lives and wrecking their long-term health, which CEO’s are not. CEO’s work an average of 26 hours per week, or so I have read. I suppose that doesnt matter either, as long as they do a good job; its results that matter, not time put in.

    We’re good, man. This one just touched a nerve for me.

    Gotta head to work, its a three hour drive. Get back to you later.

  69. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM, three hour drive? No wonder you are mad at CEO’s. I would have a serious case of road rage if I had to drive that much. Especially here around Atlanta.

  70. Hammajamma says:

    On Flynn, you don’t trade him unless you get an impact player elsewhere. I don’t think they’ll weaken the most important position for a special teams contributor. They have plenty of picks already.

  71. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Flynn would NOT lead us to a Super Bowl should RW go down. To think otherwise is delusional. He no longer fits the scheme, as he could not run the read option to save his life. Better to find a QB that fits the offense rather than hang on to an overpriced career backup.

  72. I could see 3 draft picks going to DL considering the amount of picks we have. If one of the three picks sticks, it’s a successful move.

    Can’t keep surviving on FA D-linemen. Gotta grow one or two players or things will get ugly when it’s time to pay RW. Hopefully Scruggs is working his butt off right now.

  73. bbnate420 says:

    I think the Hawks draft one DE and one DT at least regardless of what happens in FA.

    To say that they could win the SB with Flynn is NOT delusional. It’s speculative, yes. No one here knows for sure. He’s still really an unknown. It’s unlikely the Hawks win the SB with any QB the next few years if you’re just looking at straight up probability. There’s 32 teams in the NFL.

    I think the need for a very mobile backup is a bit overblown IMO. PC has never coveted a statue back there, and it seems he still doesn’t from his comments. But I don’t think they’re waiting on someone who runs a 4.5 and has exceptional agility as well. I don’t think there are any QBs like that in the draft anyways. Manuel would be a good 3rd day pick. He has a lot of physical tools and can run pretty well. I would be nervous if he had to start any games for them in 2013 though. They’d have to simplify the offense a lot and feed the Beast. I also think the read-option thing gets too much attention, because I doubt it will be as effective in future seasons. Defenses always adjust. I think it will still be used by teams like the Panthers, Hawks, and Redskins but not as much.

    TomlPDX, I personally think that Mayock is the best draft evaluator out there. That may not be saying much to some. Rang is excellent as well.

  74. GeorgiaHawk–Three hours plus, its over 200 miles but I usually only do that commute twice a week. Of course, I sleep in my office 3 nights a week, which aint cool either, but it beats the cost in sleep and fuel for commuting that far. But thats not my issue with CEO pay. I dont feel anyone is worth 425 times the average worker rate, but thats what CEO’s in America make on avg, the highest of any nation in the world. The disparity between the worker and CEO’s pay is sickening–and, IMO, unsustainable.

    Back to football.

    I cant freaking wait for FA to start–I wonder who PC and JS have targeted for DT and DE, and if we’ll get our guy?!

  75. Heard that PHI’s HC Chip Kelly (old OR HC) just signed his old QB Dennis Dixon.

  76. To think we will run a TON of Read option is crazy – it will be a PART of the offense but NOT a big part. Even RW has said it’s in a limited part of the offense.

    I think our offense will almost always be a traditional run first offense – with read option and other passing lineups added in. Thats what PC wants and has continued to say. Of course they will use what ever is going to work BUT Running QB’s get hurt in the NFL – and the Defenses will be more prepared to cover those types of line-ups in the future. They don’t want to expose RW to that many hits.

  77. So far, from what we’ve seen from Wilson, he’s more likely to take a bad hit from the pocket than he is when running the read-option. As long as he can see a dude coming, he isnt going to take a hard hit–at least not a legal one.

    The most important part of keeping Wilson healthy isnt limiting the read option (which is already limited), but finding an offensive line that can pass pro at a high level. So far, Seattle has been mediocre at best in pass pro, and while often stunningly effective in the run game, just as often they are terrible; inconsistency personified all around. To keep Wilson from taking debilitating hits, they will continue to need to roll him out on naked bootlegs, read-option plays, etc, because the line just isnt consistent.

    Hopefully they get there by game one, but Im not holding my breath.

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