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Morning links: Scouting combine invitee list released

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 7, 2013 at 8:08 am with 66 Comments »
February 7, 2013 8:08 am
Kentucky defensive back Winston Guy runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis on Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2012. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
Kentucky defensive back Winston Guy runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis on Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2012. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

The NFL released the list of players invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, which begins in two weeks on Feb. 20.

You can check out the 333 names here. A combine-record 67 underclassmen have been invited to the event.

Here’s how it breaks down by position.

Quarterback: 16
Running Back: 38
Wide Receiver: 39
Tight Ends: 19
Offensive Line: 58
Defensive Line: 54
Linebackers: 35
Defensive Backs: 60
Kickers/Special Teams: 14

Bucky Brooks of breaks down the top five players at every offensive position. He still has West Virginia product Geno Smith rated as his No. 1 quarterback. Brooks breaks down the top five players at every defensive position here.

Dane Buglar of provides his list of top 10 combine snubs.

Mike Florio of reports the Seahawks have $21.2 million in unused cap space that they carried over from 2012.

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post talks to NFL scouts to evaluate the market for Alex Smith, Matt Flynn and Michael Vick.

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks should be wary of Baltimore edge rusher Paul Kruger in free agency.

Mike Silver of Yahoo Sports provides six observations from the 2012 season. Among them, Silver said that he believes that Seattle and San Francisco are the two strongest teams heading into 2013.

Mike Freeman of CBS Sports is not looking forward to next year’s Super Bowl, which will be hosted in his native New York.

Check out highlights from the Seahawks Legion of Boom from the 2012 season in the video below.

Morning links
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  1. raymaines says:

    I wasn’t invited. I think that’s a pretty big snub.

  2. Loved the video. Only things I’d change are the music from current to “Boom” by Snoop and the ability to share it to Facebook.


  3. tchristensen says:

    Eric, I watched the video from the other day concerning the Hawks #25 pick. Pat Kirwin mentioned a nose tackle whose name I could only make out as Montoy Uhse that Kirwin thought the Hawks could grab in the 3rd or 4th round. Have you heard of anyone with a name similar to that? I’ve been looking for the player on the net but keep coming up empty handed. Thanks!

  4. tchristensen – he might have been talking about Montoir Hughes from Tennessee-Martin

  5. Singularitarian says:

    I’m just hoping all the draft “experts” give us d grades again as they are once again confused by our unorthodox picks. Maybe we find a pass rusher from the cfl? Maybe we pick up a couple free agents who are misused. Here’s to lifting every rock to find talent.

  6. That Salary Cap article by Mike Florio is a little “dated”. Posted on March 12, 2012, 9:24 AM EST.

    I wanted to believe we had $21 mil to blow so no questions asked there. When I saw the 9er’s had $16 million to spend I started scratching my head.

  7. This might be a bit more current for teams’ 2013 salary cap situation:

  8. tchristensen says:

    Thanks Stevos. You’re probably right.

  9. Singularitarian says:

    I’m reaching here…
    How bout giving this dude a tryout. he’s kinda old, 29, could be good out of the leo? closes very fast, sure tackler, good arsonal of moves. great at knocking down passes, good size/ speed 6’1/244/4.5 40 in college

  10. Singularitarian says:

    could be the best defender in the cfl…

  11. By the 2013 list – Dallas, NO, NYJ, Pitt all have serious cap issues this year!!!! If I am reading it correctly the Jets are 19.4 million over the cap

  12. Reach away Singularitarian! Hawks aren’t afraid to tap the CFL.

    According to this site, here are the Hawks 2013 draft picks (without compensetory picks):

    Round 1: #25
    Round 2: #24(56)
    Round 3: #25(87)
    Round 4: #26(120)
    Round 5: #5(131)Curry, #25(151)
    Round 6: #26(184)
    Round 7: #8(198)T-Jack, #14(204)Ruud, #25(215)

    The Ruud pick is reported but not confirmed. That’s our ammunition along with dangling Flynn out there.

  13. SandpointHawk says:

    Explanation of the carry over from a later post at PFT.

    Last year, teams had until February 28 to decide whether to carry over unused salary cap space. This year, the deadline came two months early.

    Per a source with knowledge of the schedule, teams had until December 29 to decide whether to shift remaining cap space to 2013. Thus, the numbers we posted last night reflect not the available carryover but the actual amounts that were carried over.

    Ross Tucker has tweeted that the full amounts were carried over by every team. Last year, multiple teams opted to abandon unused 2011 cap space.

    Of course, having the extra cap space and using it are two different things. If the Eagles, for example, opt not to spend their extra $23 million, they can carry that amount over to 2014 — and beyond.

    But what about the minimum spending requirement that kicks in this year, you ask? That applies only to the unadjusted cap, which is expected to be roughly $121 million per team. The Eagles and no other team have any obligation to spend more than 89 percent (on a three-year rolling avergage) of the unadjusted cap.

  14. I dont expect Seattle to spend their adjusted cap this year. If they are smart, they will keep rolling a good bit over so they are prepared when guys like Browner, Thomas, Okung, Wilson, Sherman, Tate, etc are due for a raise. Most of those guys should get contract extensions before their contract runs out.

    In Schneider I trust. He’ll figure it out.

    In other news, Jaguars are talking about using a ZBS. And the Jets are dumping aging fading high paid players like crazy. Go Idzik! How much you wanna bet he brings in a bunch of young cheap guys and they follow the Schneider/Carrol plan of cheap hungry guys and constant competitions?!

  15. CARPENTER vs CARIMI vs DALTON debate revisited…

    Just for kicks I’m digging this puppy back up. With Wilson on board we can put to rest forever the Dalton question. Anyone here rather have Dalton? No? No surprise there. So it’s down to Carp vs Carimi. When I saw Carimi highlights before the draft it looked like he held on every pass play & subsequently I didn’t think he was “all that”. Here’s an article on him after getting demoted following the Bears vs 49ers game this year that paints a not so pretty picture. He was then moved to guard.

    In short, as a tackle Carimi is a great run blocker, terrible pass protector and may have never fully healed from his injury(sound vaguely familiar?). He played 2 games in 2011 and all 16 in 2012. Carp played 9 games in 2011 and 7 in 2012 for a total of 16 to Carimi’s 18. IF Carp can heal and get in shape then he still shows promise. Heading into his 3rd rookie season here’s to hoping Carpenter can be a productive NFL lineman who actually gets and stays on the field. Even though the jury is out on both of these guys, I’d still rather have Carp then Carimi. Not expecting but hoping for the 3rd year leap to take place.

  16. Galena–Excellent points. Unfortunately, it is equally possible that both players will turn out to be major busts. As I have said before, Carpenter was a bad pick IMO because he failed utterly at RT, which was why he was drafted so highly in the first place. A classic failed reach.

    But you make lemonade when you got lemons, so he moves to guard. He better match up with DeCastro to earn his draft status.

    I still have hope for Carpenter and Moffit, but I am not counting on either of them being worth a damn, and I hope Seattle isnt either. Im stick to death of watching crappy-to-mediocre G play, which has been the norm in Seattle since at least 2007.

    This was a case where Seattle would have been far better off drafting a player at a different position, and drafting a G/T later.

  17. Great video Eric!

  18. Galena – I stated that I liked the Carpenter pick shortly after it was made, after the aftershock of not taking Carimi to play RT had worn off.

    Lets be clear, I liked the Carp pick when I thought he was drafted to play LG. I was irate when I found out that Cable had him penned as his RT. No way in hell would Carp make a better RT than Carimi, IMO, ever. Ever.

    However, it is indeed possible (I hope it is) that Carp may turn out to be a better LG than Carimi ends up being a RT.

    The final story on that hasn’t been written on their careers yet and I’m sure as heck hoping Carp wins!

  19. SandpointHawk says:

    A lot of folks here said Carp was a natural guard from day one. He had always played on the left side and to put him on the island on the right side was a disaster waiting to happen. Then he rushed back from an injury that could have, maybe should have kept him out for a year. Let’s see what happens with a healthy off season where he can work himself into shape. Or we can just gripe about him all off season….

  20. SandpointHawk says:

    BobbyK types faster than I do…

  21. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    STTBM,if carp ends up being a good guard i am confused how that makes him a bust because he was drafted to play tackle? curry at number 4 was a bust carp at 25 is hardly a major bust if he never plays again. i really don’t care where they hit but if front office can get contributors on 30% of picks i think they are doing great.
    heard it said that drafting is a crap shoot it is just more important to hit on the high picks. i think that is wrong and i think the front office is proving that.
    example , last year they reach for BI but pick wagner ,wilson and turbin next( revised draft grade A). starting MLB, franchise QB and a very good back up RB. more importantly a pick in BI that netted 8.5 sacks best of the rookie DE.
    i guess what i am trying to say is they are going to miss on picks but to call carp a bust because he got hurt and was rushed back is a little like saying decastro is great before he has played a full season. let’s remember carp never really got a chance to develop as a tackle either.

  22. It isnt so much Carpenter I am griping about. Its the situation of having 5-6 seasons in a row with poor to mediocre G play. At this point, I dont give a damn how they fix it, but it needs fixing YESTERDAY.

    And I dont see how some can expect those guys (G’s) to magically show up for training camp better than they were in Atl. Perhaps by game one…here’s hoping.

    Im gonna blow a gasket if we still have problems at G next year…

  23. I understand what you’re saying. I’ve been psycho for many years about guard play after losing one of my favorite Hawks of all time.

    However, I really do feel good about the position moving forward. So many guys improve by leaps and bounds between year 1 and year 2 (expect this from Sweezy) and from year 2 to year 3 (Carpitt)… more than any other years.

    I think Carpitt is different b/c of both of their injury situations. ***IF*** they can stay healthy next year, it’s really like they are almost going from their R season to year 3 in one shot.

    One of the only truly stupid things this regime has done is make a 393,923 pound man (Carp) return when idiots like us could see he was gimpy (and our beat writers said this in practices, too).

    And the last half of Carpitt got hurt twice last year (the first on a knee that killed his conditioning, when it has clearly turned out that is not a strength of his in the first place). I believe he’ll come to camp in shape (even better than he did before his injury this past year) and will have a good year if he wins a job.

    But, STTBM, I can see why you’re concerned about our guard play. Ever since we lost the future hall of famer, we’ve really sucked there and it’s sickening. With all of the bad play we’ve had, it’s easy to be skeptical of the future. I’m with you 100% there…

  24. CDHawkFan says:

    Mediocre G play? I don’t understand how anyone can priotize that over the D line which has lost us more games than the G play. I think the O line play has been solid, good enough for the last year and a half. The D line has been soft since Tubbs went down. I have been wishing for high pics and results on the D line for the past 5 years. Imagine what it would have been without Clemons, one player away from a disaster.

    In any event, going off about the G play with the running result that Lynch has consistantly produced would be as left field as complaining about special teams with Leon’s results.

    Again, I don’t get why G play draws such frustration when to me the issues on the D line is much more glaring and has gone on too long.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ” If I were James Carpenter”
    ” And you were my trainer”
    ” Would you keep me from fast food joints?”
    ” Would that be a no brainer?”

    CDHawkFan, Guards have to pass protect too.

  26. pabuwal says:

    A QB like Russell Wilson can elevate a mediocre set of WRs, TEs and Guards and make them look good. I’m fine with the Offense as is with Wilson at QB, especially with Carpenter coming back and Sweezy one year better.

    A QB like Russell Wilson can make a good Defense look great, which is where I feel the perceived improvement of the Defense came from this year.

    But he can only do so much for the Defense as he does not play on that side of the ball. Nowhere was that more evident in the final drives of games. For that reason, I am in agreement with BobbyK that they should address the DL, which was the highest paid position group on the team last year and the weakest area.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Fortunately this draft is a good year for D-line prospects, according to the so called experts. Unfortunately we pick late and may miss out on a good prospect.

    Really, I would like to see us upgrade the Guard position, D-line position, WR position, Linebacker position, and TE position through free agency and the draft, and through the continued developement of our young players.
    Is that too much to ask? Lol.

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    pabuwal- If the FO goes early on the D-line in the draft, and free agency, I am fine with that. But remember that our defense is young and will only get better even without an upgrade imo.

  29. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    and that would be why i have no problem taking a guard at 25. i like carp at moments this year when he showed his potential. i didn’t like any of the others.

    i think they can resign jones at a deal maybe branch as well. i think branch is the easiest to replace if he moves on . looks like there will be good space eaters available in rounds 3-5 to replace branch. i really think most of the DE available at 25 are not worth the pick unless a top one slides somehow. the only reciever

  30. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    the only receiver i see talking in round 1 is austin. i like several OL and LB at 25.

  31. I remember Tom Cable saying, on the day he selected Carpenter, that he liked Carp because he could play multiple O line positions, but he would start out practicing at RT.

    Personally I’d like to see Carp at RG, and Sweezy at LG.

  32. If Wilson can come close to elevating Sidney Rice like Favre did a few years ago, I’ll be fine with that. Lets hope Wilson gets as good as we expect him to. Favre had Adrian Peterson in Minnesota and Bevell as an OC so there’s no excuse for Rice (as a 26 year old) not to have a great season (again) if Wilson gets to the point where he’s as good as some here thinks he already is (especially w/Lynch-Bevell)… The Vikings “were” a running team until then, too. If Wilson isn’t as good as a 40 year old Favre (or whatever), I guess there’s no shame in that either, as Favre had a great year, even though there isn’t much talent difference b/w the Seahawks/Vikings of a few years ago. I see all the pressure on Wilson to produce, as I already know what Sidney Rice can do when he has a great QB throwing to him. For example, there were a few different instances this past season (definitely at least two that I can think of) where Wilson was running around and had time to find a wide open Rice for a long TD gain but didn’t see him so Wilson ran for some yards instead of throwing for the guaranteed easy TD in those cases (so then Rice’s numbers suffered, yet the average fan though Wilson was so much greater because he had a few extra highlight runs, in spite of losing out on the Rice throwing yards). Is Wilson going to be good enough in ’13? I don’t know, but I hope so.

  33. Stevos – good point and I think I remember you saying something about that a long time ago. My only problem with that is I don’t care if Steve Hutchinson couldn’t play RT, RG, C, or LT… if he was going to be a great LG… then I wouldn’t care if he had versatility b/c he’d simply stay at one position for a long time. That’s why you get back-ups like Omiyale.

  34. CDHawkFan says:

    No kidding GA, I think anyone that has watched a few games knows that. Not sure why you felt you needed to point that out. Are you saying that we had an issue (larger than the d line) with sacks or that RW did not have enough time? Do you see that as bad or worse than not stopping the run against ATL or San Fran, or no pressure against teams at the end like ATL, MIA, DET, CHI?

    Again, I don’t understand the focus on G.

  35. Bobby – yeah, I always worry when I hear of guys being drafted for “versatility”.

    Ya know… a whole lot of draft BPA possibilities would be opened up if the Seahawks would go hard after Henry Melton of the Bears and sign him as a free agent. (if the Bears don’t franchise him.) We could forget all about Branch, Jones, and drafting a DT.

  36. OregonHawk says:

    Besides finding someone or resigning someone for next to Mebane, son’t we need back up’s? Would Branch or and Jones be good backups?

  37. OregonHawk says:


  38. Branch will likely be expensive for a back-up. Not many guys his size and ability out there on the market. Jones could definitely stay, but he’s injury prone and unsigned, so who knows how that will play out. Another D lineman on the FA market who would make a great versatile backup at DE/DT is Michael Bennett.

  39. ***IF****

    the regime believes Jones will be 100% for ’13, then I’d really like him to come back.

    Even though he wasn’t a superstar, he was good (much better against the run than most of us expected, too) and I could tell (even if most you couldn’t) that we lost a little something when he went on IR.

    Then when Clem went down, we were really doomed (losing our two best DL players on a line that couldn’t afford it in the first place) even though we could have still overcome it based on the last two teams we would have had to play to win the Super Bowl.

  40. w/respect to rushing the passer, not overall (as I think Mebane is our best DL)…

  41. Singularitarian says:

    Count me in as one who think the current personnel on the offensive line is fine as is. IF, a big IF, Carpenter can get healthy and in shape, i think a line of Okung-Carpenter-Unger-Sweezy-Jock is pretty good. i think Sweezy will improve by leaps and bounds this year, keep in mind he was drafted in the 7th round as a DT and played week 1 as an OG. That is alot to throw at a dude. Seemed to me his biggest problem was not having a complete understanding of what was going on, missing assignments, blocking the wrong dude. Can you blame him? I say an off season with some real training and an understanding of what’s expected of him will do him wonders. Mcquistin might be overpaid, but he’s a good security blanket for most positions on the line, Moffit I don’t think has the ceiling but he’s decent depth. The only addition I see of need is one big reciever, like 6’4/ mid 4.4 type, or at least a big body possession/red zone guy. After Edwards was cut our depth in that department got pretty slim, and luckily Rice stayed healthy

  42. raymaines says:

    Here’s my vote for a D-End in the April draft. The kids name is Margus Hunt, from Estonia, he’s 6’8″, 275 pounds, and a great T&F athlete (discus and shot put). He’s a project for sure, but hey… Sounds like a JS&PC kind of guy to me.

  43. Singularitarian says:

    It’s crazy Mcquistin played like 90% of the snaps and I don’t see him as the guy at guard at all next year. I think Jock will work alright and seems to be able to stay healthy. I think they’ll get him settled down with the pena;ty stuff and another off season/year of continuity/Cable coaching can turn this line into a real strength. especially with the handcuffs being off Wilson

  44. pabuwal says:

    BobbyK – this type of situation with Rice and Wilson will occur often when you have a QB who goes through multiple progressions (Wilson) and a WR who doesn’t often gain immediate separation off the line (Rice).

    If Rice isn’t open when Wilson gets to him in his progression, its doubtful Wilson will return to that read on the same play. He has to go to the next read and when he is done, he has to look to create something on his own. I don’t doubt there are times where Rice eventually does get open and Wilson doesn’t see him after he gets open.

    Contrast that with Kapernick who will always hit his primary WR if he gets open at any point because he doesn’t look at the second WR. Kaepernick had great success going to Crabtree and Davis during the year but much less success going to Moss. That says something for how often Crabtree and Davis beat their matchup.

  45. Dukeshire says:

    It says a whole lot more abou the time his o line gave him in the pocket.

  46. pabuwal says:

    I read that Wilson had the longest time from snap to throw in the NFL. I don’t know if it’s possible to break that down between time the blockers provided vs the time Wilson created on his own. In any event, I’m very comfortable with the OL next year with the players already on the roster.

  47. Singularitarian says:

    nice pick raymaines. I think Quanterus Smith is DEFINITELY sombody to keep an eye on for the Hawks. He could definitely be a steal in the later rounds if it looks like he could make a full recovery

  48. Singularitarian says:

    Although I would think we’d need to be thinking of possibly moving Big Red if we went with Hunt

  49. Cornutt says:

    Cordarrelle Patterson.

    Oh wait, we’re not talking about WR’s?


  50. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “I read that Wilson had the longest time from snap to throw in the NFL”

    I think it’s pretty safe to say pabs that it was because of Wilson creating that extra time. Just rewatch the last niner game. One of his scrambles were like 15 or more seconds.

  51. bbnate420 says:

    I think people forget that Carp was improving at RT before he got hurt. It wasn’t like the Chargers preseason game every week. He had NO off-season. That said, I like him better at G and have said so many times. It’s kind of pointless to argue if he or Carimi would’ve been the better RT since neither is playing there anymore. It’s hard to imagine a RT looking worse than Carimi did versus the Whiners. Total turnstile.

    Our G’s are fine for 2013. Maybe draft one late. McQuistan is an adequate starter if need be, and he has a lot of value since he can slide out to T as well. The 2 starting spots will be fought over by Carp, Moffitt, and Sweezy, assuming all are healthy. Sweezy needs to spend his time studying the position, and Carp and Moffitt need to get their butts in shape.

    I don’t think Melton is making it to FA. Bennett would be a great signing. I wonder how much he will command? Instant, better replacement for Jones. DT is supposed to be one of the deppest position in the draft. Maybe they wait until the 2nd or 3rd? That’s assuming they don’t trade for more early picks.

  52. montanamike2 says:

    I was really impressed when i watched Frank Omen? play. Carpenter looked good just before he got re injured, Give him time. I still don’t know why Moffitt is in the doghouse? I hope he shows up with an extra edge next year too. We don’t have nearly the needs we used to, which is rather fing awsome. The niners have a year or two and then father time regresses them. Great time to be a Hawks fan.

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    CDHawkFan – The defensive line issues at the end of the season had alot to do with injuries more than anything else imo. Plus we have a few young guys developing.
    We should be much better at the start of this season on the D-line just by getting more healthy and our young lineman gaining more experience regardless if we add more players to the D-line.

    With that being said I will be very happy no matter which way the FO goes in the offseason upgrading this team. They have struck Gold so many times in the last three seasons that overall there is no way I will fault them.

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If Arizona can get a decent QB this year the NFC west division could be scary good imo.

  55. Dukeshire says:

    What does a QB “like” Russell Wilson, mean? Are you actually talking about Wilson or collection of QBs who share similar styles, in similar situations?

  56. raymaines says:

    Hey, three out of four is scary. If AZ gets a decent QB the NFC West will be disband.

  57. “I read that Wilson had the longest time from snap to throw in the NFL” I think it’s pretty safe to say pabs that it was because of Wilson creating that extra time. Just rewatch the last niner game. One of his scrambles were like 15 or more seconds.

    I would agree with that Georgia. Wilson moved in the pocket to buy time, and made his O line look good in the process, or rather, his ability to move eased their burden of protecting him, allowing them to release a TE or RB from blocking responsibilities more often. He was both hard to sack and hard to contain. I don’t think we have a great pass-blocking line, but with Wilson I don’t think they need to be.

  58. bbnate420 says:

    Most of us probably know/think that this line is much better at run blocking than pass blocking. Okung is probably the only excellent pass blocker of the bunch at this point. Maybe Unger too. The line is still fairly inexperienced as a whole though. Especially all playing together. They should improve overall in pass blocking. Having RW helps.

    Georgia, I agree with injuries being a significant factor with the ineffectiveness of the D-line at the end of the season, but you must remember that Clemons with be coming off an ACL and Branch and Jones are UFAs. Obviously, what happens in FA will have a large impact on the direction they take in the draft. I don’t really see more than one possible big FA signing. Probably a D-lineman, depending on who actually makes it to FA. D-line will be a big need if they don’t address it in a MAJOR way in FA. The offense can use some upgrades, but there is a lot of youth there as well. The only significant need I see on the offense is another big receiver, with speed if possible. Those guys don’t fall from trees though. I’m starting to get pretty high on that Dobson guy from Marshall. Could be a receiving TE, but I have more faith in McCoy taking another step forward than most. If not, he is capable of blocking well and letting Miller go out.

  59. bbnate420 says:

    I meant that they could draft a receiving TE, not that Dobson could be said TE. Just to clarify.

  60. CDHawkFan says:

    I am not focusing on the end of the season D line play, as I pointed out above, the 1st game against the 49ers we couldn’t stop the run. Yes they have a good line, but we will continue to see it twice a year. All the more reason to invest in our D line. Also, the DET, MIA, CHI were not at the end of the season, we were healthy, but yet let the other team move the ball on us late in the game due to no pressure. You could also throw in the Kolb drive towards the end of the first game.

    My point is, our D line issues were not just injury related because the inability to bring pressure, stop the run against good teams, and not give up 3rd and long could be seen throughout the entire year, much of ithe time we were very healthy.

  61. bbnate420 says:

    Yes, you’re right, CDHawkFan. There were issues with the D-line for a large portion of the season. The pressure was inconsistent all year. The run D was pretty good until Red and Mebane got dinged up IMO. Part of that though was a total lack of ability of the LBs to blitz and get pressure IMO. I’m sure people will argue about whether it was because of scheme or personnel. I think the D-line would be a top 3 off-season priority even if Clemons wasn’t hurt against the Redskins. I do think they will be better versus the run, if Mebane and Red are healthy, even if they don’t upgrade the DT position, assuming Branch or equal quality came back. I personally think DL has to be the # 1 off-season priority, and another WR and a WLB are contending for numbers 2 and 3.

  62. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bbnate420- You’re right, and you’re right about CDHawkFan being right. Many ifs right now with the D-line. Hopefully we will benefit from free agency and that will also help clear things up better for which direction the FO needs to go with the draft in regards to the D-line.

    One concern I have with Irvin and his development process is his age. He is already 25, just one year younger than Lynch and Rice. It seems like Rice and Lynch has been around for a long time compared to Irvin and they are close to the same age. I just hope Irvin is a fast learner.

    BTW- Thanks for the break down of where our draft picks will be Galena. I wasn’t sure if the Curry pick was a five or a six.

  63. montanamike2 says:

    That TE Zach Sudfeld could be a late round draft steal, very intriging.

  64. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, you’re right about Irvin’s age, but he hasn’t been playing football, much less high level football, nearly as long as Lynch or Rice. He’s still very raw. The problem is that he probably won’t have 10 good years left in him after he “gets it”. He should have a good 5-8 though. He could be a monster next year if he puts on a little of the right type of weight and develops some moves. I know, if if’s and buts were candy and nuts. I think we have to wait until year 3 with Irvin to really evaluate him. That said, he had 8 sacks. It’s not like he was a bust. He was what we thought he was, to quote Denny Green.

  65. The G problems piss me off because they’ve been going on so long. Its gotten to the point of ridiculousness. We’ve been so bad for so long, even mediocre play there is celebrated by many on this blog as being Improvement! and cause for HOPE! when its merely the best we’re gonna see out of some of them (Wahle, Gallery, Spencer, Sims, Wrotto, Viallos, et al). Yes, as I said, we all hope Moffit/Sweezy and Carpenter have higher ceilings and improve dramatically by game one next year, but its certainly a worry they wont…

    And Im certainly not ignoring the D-line. Two of our first three picks in the draft MUST be at least one DT and one DE. We also need one of each in FA, especially if Branch leaves.

    Wilson indeed is one big reason so many think our G play is either acceptable or unimportant, when nothing could be further from the truth. He usually has very little time, yet scrambles and buys his own. He makes them look far better than they are.

    The other big reason is Lynch. Lynch is such a stud, he makes any offensive line better just by being there–even if he doesnt get the ball. He demands attention from the Defense.

    Sweezy getting pushed out of the way and blown by for a sack in less than a full second on third down in the first half was a major reason we lost vs Atlanta. Sure, there were many mistakes by others that contributed, but on third down with little time left, you cannot let a guy blitz up the middle and get by you like that. Its inexcusable, and was totally pathetic. One of the worst attempts at pass pro I have seen.

    And thats the problem. With an offense run to wear teams down and win in the fourth quarter, rather than compete to score on every drive, you will end up in situations like that, where its do or die, and everyone has to execute. Our G’s–all four of them–cannot be counted on to even block ONE guy, let alone block their man and chip another coming on a blitz. And Sweezy is simply awful in pass pro. Period.

    As I said, I dont care how they fix it, but they MUST put two capable G’s onfield next year. This has to stop.

    ANd yeah, we need to find a pass rush somehow, and that means another DE who can rush and stop the run, and a DT who can do it all. Too bad Melton and the guy in Cinci who is so awesome will either sign longterm deals or be franchised. I’d do just about anything to get one of those guys on our team…

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