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Morning links: RGIII tops Luck, Wilson in offensive rookie of the year voting; Wagner finishes second on defensive side

Post by Eric Williams on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:00 am with 43 Comments »
February 3, 2013 9:06 am
Seattle Seahawks Quarterback Russell Wilson wins fan-selected  Pepsi MAX Rookie of the Year Award at the 2nd Annual NFL Honors on Saturday, Feb. 2, 2013, in New Orleans. (Photo by Cheryl Gerber/Invision for Pepsi/AP Images)
Seattle Seahawks Quarterback Russell Wilson wins fan-selected Pepsi MAX Rookie of the Year Award at the 2nd Annual NFL Honors on Saturday, Feb. 2, 2013, in New Orleans. (Photo by Cheryl Gerber/Invision for Pepsi/AP Images)

In not much of a surprise, Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III topped Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson in winning the Associated Press, offensive rookie of the year voting.

Wilson received 29 votes, followed by Luck (11) and Wilson (10).

However, Wilson was voted the Pepsi Max Rookie of the year, an award voted on by NFL fans.

On the defensive side of the ball, Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly topped Seattle linebacker Bobby Wagner as the Associated Press, defensive rookie of the year. Kuechly finished with 28 votes, while Wagner had 10.

Minnesota’s Adrian Peterson was named NFL MVP and offensive player of the year. Houston’s J.J. Watt was named defensive player of the year. And Denver’s Peyton Manning won comeback player of the year.

Seven new members join this year’s Hall of Fame class – defensive tackle Warren Sapp, offensive linemen Jonathan Ogden and Larry Allen, receiver Cris Carter, coach Bill Parcells and two senior candidates, defensive lineman Curley Culp and linebacker Dave Robinson.

I was particularly pleased to see Carter finally get in.

Former Seattle Seahawks offensive tackle Walter Jones is eligible next year.

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post has an interesting tidbit – he says that those familiar with Dan Quinn believes that he will blitz more than Gus Bradley’s more conservative approach because he’s more of a risk taker. Pompei also provides good stuff on why Eric DeCosta remains the assistant GM with the Ravens, and hasn’t bolted for another job.

Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman is at the Super Bowl, trying to find out who the best shutdown corner is, Darrelle Revis or himself? Check out the must-watch TV here.

Clare Farnsworth of catches up with former Seahawks defensive tackle Sam Adams.

Jerry McDonald of The Bay Area News Group provides a tale of the tape player break down this afternoon’s Super Bowl.

Morning links
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  1. Vegas56 says:

    Hey, congrats to Wilson on the Pepsimax award…Wagner, 2nd round pick finishes second in Defensive ROY and Wilson, 3rd round pick finishes third in Offensive ROY. Pretty good draft last year, eh? Don’t see another team with two guys on those finalist lists.

  2. bbnate420 says:

    RW wins Pepsi Max award. Whoopdee friggin do. I guess some recognition is better than none, but it really doesn’t mean anything. It doesn’t reflect the opinion of the fans as a whole. It just reflects the opinion of the people that bothered to go there and vote. Especially those that cared to vote repeatedly.

  3. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Who cares? Popularity contests are for prom queens and politicians. RW will not suffer the sophomore slump that RG3 will. Luck is the real deal, and all 3 of these QBs will prove to be amazing over their long, productive careers. My humble prediction is RW will win a Super Bowl before RG3 and Luck do.

  4. Seahawks22360 says:

    I think losing out on this award, and to an extent the pro bowl MVP, will only motivate him more. Next year he will be a top 3 QB. Mark my words. Go Hawks! And ravens:)

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Just take Wilsons last eight games and compare them to Griffin and Luck, or anyone other qb in the NFL for that matter.
    We know what we got here so who cares what other fans or media thinks.

    Go Hawks!

    And go Ravens!

  6. Dukeshire says:

    It’s funny to me that some of the same people who were happy for Wilson making the pro bowl and dismissing the Pepsimax award. In any case, damn right we know what Seattle has in him. I’ve never been so happy to be so wrong about a player in my life.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If anyone got the shaft for AP rookie of the year it was Wagner imo.

    Kuechly is a great tackler, however he makes all kinds of tackles down field, ( Kind of like Tatupu did ). And he plays for a crappy defense so he doesn’t have to share as much on tackles.

    Wagner can penetrate better, pressure the qb better, and make bigger plays around the line of scrimage imo. I think he is better in coverage too, however, ( as rookies ) you can expect them to stuggle at times with that.

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:


  9. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, I’m not sure about Wagner being better in coverage, but I’m with you about being the better all around player this year. I agree that RW was better than RG3 the second half, but I disagree if you mean that should be the reason for him to get the AP OROY. The award is for the whole season. RG3 got his team to the playoffs as well, and his numbers are just a little better. I’m not saying he is necessarily the better QB, just that he had a slightly better regular season. Anyways, the bigger slight is that he was behind Luck. That’s a joke IMO.

    Duke, the Pepsi Max Award and a Pro Bowl nod aren’t nearly the same thing. Unfortunately, the fan voting is too large a part of the Pro Bowl vote, but it makes up only 33.3% of the vote I believe. The Pepsi Max Award is entirely a volunteer, internet poll. One where you can vote multiple times at that. Completely worthless in trying to use it to extrapolate the opinion of the whole population of NFL fans. Statistics 101.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Kuechly had 103 solo tackles (164 total) and more passes defended than Wagner. He also had more tackles at or behind the LOS. As much as I like Wagner, Kuechly was the right choice.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate420 – They are “nearly” the same thing in as far as the fans get a say. Any time fans get to vote, whether restricted or otherwise, I put little to no stock into it. They are both worthless (Case in point, Jeff Saturday was voted to the pro bowl…) And while I love your “Statistics 101″ crack, one *can* vote multiple times for the pro bowl. Simply use a different devise.

  12. I am not so sure that Pepsi ROY is any more of a popularity contest than the AP ROY awards. IMO opinion, Pepsi got the right ROY and AP didn’t because of hype and east coast bias. Besides, we are all fans here and should our opinions count any less than those of the AP writers?

    Anyway, I for one am happy that Russell got the Pepsi award. Big congrats to him!

  13. bbnate420 says:

    I didn’t realize you could vote for the Pro Bowl using different devices, but that’s still much more limiting than the Pepsi Max vote. Most people don’t have 50 devices. You could vote 50 times on the Pepsi Max vote. And if you can’t see the difference between 33% of the vote being determined by the fans and 100% of the vote determined by the fans then I don’t know what to tell you. Them both being “worthless”, that’s your subjective opinion and I won’t argue that. I think the Pro Bowl vote is flawed, but I wouldn’t personally call it worthless. The structure of the vote for the 2 is undoubtedly different, and is significant IMO. And because an undeserving player made it, Saturday, doesn’t make the whole thing worthless. You’re making a false equivalency IMO.

  14. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, BTW, what does Kuechly having more PDs than Wagner have to do with it. I thought you weren’t a fan of statistics. Just trying to rattle your cage a little. ;-) Wagner should’ve had 4 ints, if not for the bad roughing call against Miami, and had more sacks. In all fairness, Kuechly could’ve had some big plays negated by penalties too. Honestly, I didn’t see enough of Kuechly and don’t have the tape and enough knowledge of playing LB to make a definitive call on who was better in 2012. Kuechly winning is totally understandable to me. I think you can make a good case for Wagner too. Regardless, it seems the Hawks got the better value.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    That’s not even my point. Of course I see the difference between unlimited and limited, good god… And of course it’s subjective, I said “I” put little stock into it. That infers opinion, not fact. Moreover, the position I’m taking is not a false equivalency because I’m speaking in generalities. Is that completely lost on you? Apparently so. Go argue with someone else, I’m done with your nonsense.

  16. bbnate420 says:

    Pilot, the argument I was making wasn’t about the knowledge of the fans versus the AP. Theoretically, people with an AP vote should have more knowledge and access than the average fan. But the major flaw with the Pepsi Max vote is that it can’t be trusted to reflect the opinion of the whole population of NFL fans. It just reflect those who bothered to vote and the number of times they voted. It’s a volunteer poll and suffers for non-response bias. It’s not random.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    I only offered the PD as a brief means to a counter argument. I did watch Kuechly quite a bit this year, and he was dominant. Yes, Wagner had a great season and agree about the value. As I said before, I love Wagner. But Kuechly was better in pass coverage, hands down. From an assignment perspective, to awareness to the statistical result of those two things.

    Rattling my cage… low hanging fruit.

  18. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, are you just drunk already or did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

    “They are “nearly” the same thing in as far as the fans get a say. Any time fans get to vote, whether restricted or otherwise, I put little to no stock into it.”

    Those are YOUR words, not mine. You are making an equivalency between the Pepsi Max vote and the Pro Bowl vote. Is that completely lost on you? They are not “nearly” the same thing. If you think that they are then you have no knowledge of statistics. The opinion part I referred to is that the are both “worthless”. I wasn’t arguing that you said your post was a fact. Where did I say that? Worthless is a subjective description. I won’t argue that with you. But the 2 votes are indeed significantly, structurally different. That’s not subjective. I know that you will argue this tooth and nail regardless of any logic I use, so I am done with YOUR nonsense.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    Yes I am, because fans get a vote. That is fact. If there was no factual basis then it would fall under a false equivalency.

  20. Whether the Pepsi poll is scientific or not, I think that the most significant fact about it is that a nation-wide poll recognizes the Hawks.

  21. montanamike2 says:

    That’s true. He won it it overwhelmingly from people all over the country. There’s a lot of east coast bias and most votes for the actual pro bowl where cast a month before. The fans spoke.

  22. montanamike2 says:

    The playoffs.

  23. montanamike2 says:

    East coast bias in the media.

  24. The average human head weighs 8 pounds.

  25. I agree – Pepsi poll is not a true random sampling. But I am still thrilled to see RW get the recognition he deserves.

  26. SandpointHawk says:

    I have never been so unexcited about a Super Bowl in my life, and yes I’m the guy who’s dad took him to to Super Bowl I and went meh. I think it’s just a Seahawks “should have, could have” hangover. Thought I had come to grips with this but what the hell, Go Ravens…Oh and the average human head weighs 8 pounds…

  27. pabuwal says:

    What makes this game so tough is that if the Seahawks could have found a way to win the NFC West Title, they would be playing this game today.

    If the Seahawks could have just won one more game out of those 5 losses which were decided in the final minute…. Or if the Patriots had only beat the 49ers that Sunday night in December….

    Had the 49ers lost to the Rams in the game they tied, they would have still won the Division based on a better record in the common 14 games with the Seahawks.

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “The average human head weighs 8 pounds.” Lol BobbyK.

    I see having to soon watch the 49ers is getting under some folks skin already.
    It hasn’t got to me yet simply because I haven’t watched one single pre-game show at all about the SuperBowl.

    I have read an article or two about the comparison of Wagner and Kuechly that I think will validate my point, however I will save that for another day Duke. Time to get drunk now.
    BTW- have you got that song parody about Leroy done yet? Lol.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    pabuwal- I hear you, and it is tough to watch this knowing that we were the hottest team down the stretch.
    But on the other hand we could have easily lost to GreenBay or Chicago too, so here we are.
    Hopefully it will turn out different next year.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Go Ravens!

  31. CDHawkFan says:

    Damn, guessing that is R Wilson’s wife. Se looks great all done up.

  32. pabuwal says:

    So far Kaepernick’s one read and throw from the pocket mentality is hurting him. He’ll need to scramble a few times to loosen the Ravens up.

  33. pabuwal says:

    I mean to say when Kaepernick throws from the pocket, he only goes to his first read. There is no second read with him.

  34. “Blue Velvet Jacket..sets him free”

    OK, if anyone gets that mangled song reference, I will be shocked.

    That is a seriously terrible suit/ensemble/whatever by Wilson. Just awful. He looks like he let Nathan Lane’s character in the Birdcage dress him.

    Saw a pic of him and his wife and she was wearing a gazillion dollar little black dress. They both looked classy.

    I hate the Super Bowl so much this year, I am reduced to critiquing Wilson’s wardrobe…sad..

  35. Funny – BBnate asking Duke if he got up on the wrong side of the bed when they both sound Angry in their posts!

    I have no Problem with Kuechly getting the award – I watched him a number of times and thought he was great! I would love to have him on our team. Where I wouldn’t trade Wilson for RG3 or Luck at this point.

  36. I soooo want to know what John H. is saying to the dude in the gray suit!!

  37. CDHawkFan says:

    Xc, he is saying that his father raised 2 assholes. Watched an interview with the parents and the father looked like an big ass, which makes sense.

    This game is looking like the one where we killed them 42-13.

  38. Love how they talk about Lupati making a key block that was a BIG hold

  39. Now we are going to have to listen for the entire off season that Colin Kap and RG3 are the best players in the NFL!!!!!! it is going to drive me nuts!!!

  40. Southendzone says:

    HOORAY!!!! Everything you could have wanted from the game tonight…. Tons of top-notch Jim Harbaugh faces on the sidelines.

    If I could have asked for 1 more thing out of this game it would have been for Jimmy to lose that challenge on the Boldin play. Pretty sure his head would have exploded.

  41. TomlPDX says:

    RW needs a better tailor. That jacket is too small. Congrats John and the Ravens for beating Jim and the boys down south. The power outage sure did change the momentum in this game.

    Let the next season speculation begin!!!

  42. If little sore loser boy wants to whine about the Craptree “hold” on the last goal line stand by Baltimore…

    Then why can’t I bring up how they stopped the Falcons on the 4th down play late two weeks ago where there was CLEARLY contact by the Whiners before the ball got there?

    Jim Harbaugh – if you want to bitch about contact, that’s fine. You may have a beef. However, if you want to cry about every little thing like that, then you didn’t even deserve to be in the Super Bowl in the first place.

  43. pabuwal says:

    Harbaugh should ask himself why he passed 3 straight times at the Goal line with Kaepernick instead of running Gore with Ngata out.

    That exact situation is where Kaepernick’s one read and throw passing style kills him.

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