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Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:57 am with 123 Comments »
January 15, 2013 7:58 am
Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll, second from right, celebrates with Seahawks' Michael Robinson after defeating the Green Bay Packers 14-12 an NFL football game, Monday, Sept. 24, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll, second from right, celebrates with Seahawks’ Michael Robinson after defeating the Green Bay Packers 14-12 an NFL football game, Monday, Sept. 24, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

In my season wrap-up this morning looking forward to the Seattle Seahawks 2013 season, head coach Pete Carroll stresses the importance of winning the NFC West next season, so his team is hosting playoff games rather than having to win on the road.

I also set the table for the offseason, taking a first look at Seattle’s pending free agents, the health status of the team heading into the offseason and the draft.

“We needed to get that darn playoff game at our place,” Carroll said after the game Sunday. “And that’s where the division is so important. And the Niners have done it, and they did a great job to get it. … That is our goal. We’ve got to win the NFC West and get that done, so at this time of the year, now you’re sitting over there. And it would be a little bit different.”

Dave Boling of The News Tribune writes that the lessons learned from Sunday’s loss at Atlanta will pay dividends for Seattle in 2013.

Don Ruiz of The News Tribune handled the locker room clean-up from Monday. Veteran players like Marcus Trufant and Leroy Hill could have played their last games in Seattle.

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times writes that going for it on fourth down was the right thing to do for Seattle.

About 87 percent of the televisions in the Seattle area were tuned into the Seahawks-Falcons matchup.

According to ESPN Stats & Info, the key to Atlanta’s win was dealing with Seattle’s blitz package. After throwing an interception the first time Seattle blitzed, Matt Ryan was 7 of 8 for 111 yards and a touchdown the rest of the way. Entering Sunday’s game, when the Seahawks blitzed a defensive back, opponents completed only 47 percent of their passes, threw one touchdown and netted five interceptions, according to the report.

Clare Farnsworth of reports from Seattle’s locker room that players are looking forward to next season.

Pete Prisco of CBS Sports writes that Atlanta showed the Seahawks that they are not a soft, pass-first finesse team.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that Seahawks salary cap guy, vice president of administration John Idzik is scheduled to interview for the Jets GM job on Wednesday.

Joe Fortenbaugh of the National Football Post writes that after what he believes were blunders in the divisional playoffs by John Fox and Pete Carroll, it’s time for NFL teams to hire full-time game managers.

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  1. We started the playoff games slow and we started the season slow.We have to turn that around and get a fast start next year home field and the 12th man is the key to going further in the playoffs. I really hope we keep our coaching staff the way it is.

  2. It’s looking like Seattle will be replacing O & D coordinators, potentially their VP & Cap specialist, along with whatever assistants they take with them to their new teams.

    Could be a rough transition.

    The cost of turning the corner as a franchise.

  3. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It will be interesting to see if this FO starts trading away picks for future better picks like New England has successfully done over the years.

  4. CDHawkFan says:

    I agree, for 100-200k, they should be able to hire some nerd/professor/Duke/Bobby that is responsibile for clock/timeout management and just another brain that keeps the coach in check (I know the coach is getting paid well enough to do all that already).

    Something I am too scared to double check on (don’t want to watch it again), but did we have 1 more timeout at the end of the game? I thought we had 1 left, if so, did we get too caught up in the moment and not use it to help decide the last play/field goal, it seemed we paniced? I thought we had 2 at the end of our TD drive, then we used 1 to ‘ice’ the kicker.

    Anyway, not sure if its because I am a Hawk fan, but I wasn’t impressed with Ryan, thought he looked a bit lost at times and wasn’t anything special. I know he got them into position at the end, but his int’s were terrible and compared to RW with 5 years less experience and on the road, I would take RW in a heartbeat as a 10 year starter.

    Also, I thought Guy played well. That was the first time I had seen him play. Liked his speed and size and was surprised they decided to use him so much in that game when he hadn’t played much before (partly due to suspension).

  5. Dukeshire says:

    I’ll take it!

  6. To Dave’s article, I’m wondering how they fix the late game collapses. It’s been a problem the past 2 years and it cost them a playoff berth last year and a Super Bowl this year. The solution isn’t simply “let’s go get 5 pass rushers.”

    And again to Dave’s article, the Seahawks didn’t play those 2 plays aggressively. They might have blitzed one (on delayed blitzes), but they allowed completely free releases. The blitz is near USELESS in that situation. All Ryan had to do was drop back and immediately fire the pass.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    According to this free agent list Walter Jones will be a free agent this year. Lol.
    I gotta stop looking at this stuff. Crazy.,284188,284190

  8. Dukeshire says:

    You answered your own question. And it’s a point I’ve brought up several times throughout the season: This team’s corners are at their best in man-press, not zone. It’s almost all scheme related, IMO. The only time playing off, or even free release, ought to be given is if the opposing offense schemes around your press (stack, bunch formations, etc…) but in this case, Atl did little of that and none at the end of regulation.

    That said, there are situations were playing deep trips and soft underneath are the right play. But I agree that protecting one score leads is rarely one of them.

    Also, had Carroll kicked the FG instead of going for it on 4th and 1, this would be a moot point.

  9. “According to this free agent list Walter Jones will be a free agent this year.”

    Not if we slap the franchise tag on his ass!

  10. I was re-watching the end of the game this morning, and here’s another small detail to wallow in – on our final drive, on the play after Marshawn caught that short pass and ran it down to the Atlanta 4 yd line, Atlanta had 12 men on the field and was frantically trying to call a timeout (the announcers even said, ‘atl calls timeout’). But just before they could get it called, the refs called the penalty, moving the ball from the 4 to the 2 yd line. Had they gotten the timeout called, as they wanted, they would have had just one timeout left when they got the ball back . . .

  11. mindnbrad says:

    Awkward photo….

  12. Duke – its not 100% certain that having that FG would have made the difference you are saying. If they had that FG in hand, the Seahawks would have only needed a combination of 2 TDs + 1 FG to simply tie the game during the second half.

    Who’s to say the play calling would have been as aggressive on all 4 scoring drives (ie having Wilson throw from the pocket nearly every play rather than more Lynch) had they needed a FG instead of a TD?

    That being said, I think the chances are 50%-75%, the game would have played out the way you are implying.

    However, it is 100% certain that all SB Champs over the past 10 years have consistently made this stop in this situation in the playoffs. I’ll throw out one example for fun – in the Pats 18-1 season after Eli Manning threw the game winning TD – “New England began its next possession on its own 26 with 29 seconds remaining and three timeouts, but the Giants’ defense didn’t allow a single yard.”

    I can sit here and cite similar examples for nearly every SB Champ over the past 10 years.

  13. FleaFlicker says:

    going back to building up the defense…I believe these guys are hitting the market and Detroit is pretty close being salary capped out:

  14. Dukeshire says:

    Then you too realize that playing a different coverage at the end of the game would not made 100% certain they would have held on. And while I dilike that sceme myself, I have tired of watching Carroll take points off the board time and time again. Spilt milk at this point…

  15. thursday says:

    What do you guys think of Jennings from GB as a WR here? Read a link elsewhere that he’s not likely to be resigned by them. Assuming we don’t find someone underrated and awesome in the draft again…

  16. I’m not looking for 100% certainty in defending late game leads. I’m looking for 75% certainty in defending them which is consistent with having a “good” defense. Instead we get failures around 75% of the time (and just about all the time on the road). The Seahawks were fortunate that Cam Newton threw the ball into the ground on 4th and Goal from the 1.

  17. WiscCory says:

    This is just sooooo darn frustrating. These aren’t the conversations we should be having this week. I’m still not over it.

    Glad the team is looking forward to next season and being successful, however part of me wishes there was a little more disgust in how the season ended, and a better sense that the player’s appetitite is far from fulfilled. I’m not getting that vibe…..

  18. I hear you WiscCory. To me this loss was as bad as the Super Bowl and I’ve watched the last 300 games in a row and followed them for another 200 games before that.

    We had a team that set NFL records, have the greatest 4th quarter playoff performance by any QB in NFL history and a team that is better than any of the 4 remaining teams – all to see it blown in the same recurring nightmare. “Number 1″ defenses aren’t supposed to consistently blow 4th quarter leads, especially with such little time left.

    The man who presided over the greatest Seahawks Defensive collapse gets rewarded with a Head Coaching job and lifetime financial security. This collapse was greater than the 2003 Ravens game, the 2004 Rams game and sticking Etric Pruitt as a Single High FS in the Super Bowl.

    And the main response from the team is “we’ll get home field next year.” Really? With Colin Kapernick and Jim Harbaugh over there it will be that easy? This isn’t 2006.

  19. Dave Boling says:

    WiscCory… If you had seen these guys in the locker room afterward, you’d know they’re not going to forget that feeling.

    I think Carroll gave them a pretty big reminder of what’s ahead when he said: “we are going to challenge them, and we’re going to push them, and we’re going to count on them to be to very high standards. If you can’t find the competitive approach. You’re either competing or you’re not. I know there’s not going to be so many guys that do that that we won’t be able to find other guys if that is the case. What’s going to be hard is for the ten guys that get drafted to make this team. That’s what I think the challenge is, and that’s how much I believe in these guys. I think they’re going to come back ready to go. They know where they are right now, they have a very strong feeling about that, and there are enough guys in here that are going to challenge the other guys that might tend to not make the most of it.”

    I think Carroll has shown that he’ll give a job to any young guy who is willing to stand up and take it. Anybody who comes off as satisfied and content might be out of a job.

  20. The Eagles fans, the city of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia media are treating Gus Bradley’s arrival like he is the second coming of Lombardi, Walsh and Belichick all in one.

    Is there some secret deal where he gets to bring Thomas, Sherman, Wagner, Wright and the 12th man to Philadelphia to replace Nate Allen, Cromartie, Kurt Coleman, etc? He basically has the equivalent of the 2009 Seahawks Defense to work with over there. That was one ugly Defensive year.

  21. The Eagles have some young talent and some decent veterans, but they are missing some key pieces for sure. Letting Asante Samuel go was stupid. Asomugha isnt what he was, Rodgers-Cromartie is a bonehead and I believe headed to FA. They did get Demeco Ryans from the Texans and he’s pretty good. They have at least one young DT who has potential, but yeah, they dont have the talent we have here in Seattle.

    Bradley might make a better HC than a DC. He’s got charisma and is smart and tough. I think players respond to him.

    I just wish I knew if it was Bradley’s genius or Carrol’s to not jam the ATL WR’s at the line; Browner at least should have been jamming his guy all day long. The blame for that gameplan (and the Detroit and Miami games which had the same plan) should count for something.

    With the coaches we have, Im more worried about losing Darrel Bevel than I am about losing Bradley. As much as I hated Bevell last year and much of this season, he has done a great job since the Bears game, and I dont like the idea of Wilson having to start a brand-new offense, nor do I like the idea of having Tom Cable call plays and/or be the OC. YUCK! Offensive line coaches are ALWAYS extremely conservative playcallers.

  22. thursday says:

    I agree that I’d rather lose Bradley than Bevell. Just because I think a lot of our defensive success was more on pure talent and assuming the conservative “prevent” schemes were his idea in those three losses, I’d rather have someone that could engineer the “hold” a la 2007 Giants. THough, I did see people throwing around Marc Trestman as an OC at Field Gulls and his background and connection to Wilson sound intriguing.

  23. I think Philly would be smart to hire Gus Bradley instead of trying to hire a bigger name coach. I don’t want to lose him, but he’d be perfect there. They have talent, yet played some of the worst pass defense in the league. Bradley would clean that mess up, no doubt, and he’s got a great personality for a coach.

    As for Sunday’s game being all Bradley’s fault? All due to scheme? I don’t buy it.

    What I saw:
    1) Atlanta offense was deadly-good and well-rested,
    2) our #1 DE was out,
    3) our rush RDE was a rookie with tired legs,
    4) our LDE was a 330 pounder with an injured foot, and
    5) our SS is 6’3″ 230 and can’t cover quick WRs.

    We weren’t about to beat a well-rested championship caliber offense by putting those players on the field. Atlanta was prepared and deserved the win. We need a few more players and a little more maturing before this team will be ready for a championship.

  24. WiscCory says:

    Dave – thanks. That helps (a little). Time is the best cure for emotional wounds. I can’t say enough how lucky us Hawk fans are to have you, Eric, and the rest of the Trib staffers. Thanks for another rock solid season of insider coverage.

    Pabuwal, don’t rain on the Eagle fans’ parade. They saw the Hawks D shut down Green Bay on MNF with one of the best first half performances ever. They also saw, a little closer to home, a defense that stopped the Redskins in there tracks for 3 quarters in a playoff game. There are reasons Bradley comes with the hype. That’s how it works during a coaching change.

    On a different note regarding Wilson. I hate to say this in one sense, however I haven’t been so hyped for a player after their rookie year since Curt Warner. Let’s hope any similarity stops there.

  25. It’s also worth noting, before we call it something like the Greatest Seahawks defensive collapse – – – in the 4th quarter, our defense got us the ball 3 times. Twice on stops with less than 8 minutes left in the quarter, and the third on Earl’s INT. If either of those drives goes on for multiple plays (the 2nd drive I’m talking about had them w/the ball with under 5 mins left), then our offense never gets its chance.

    So, yes, they blew it on the final drive – but they played a major part in making the comeback happen.

  26. thursday says:

    Definitely. I defend the defensive performance as a whole in that game, because I frankly think the offense should have put up some points before the half and it’s indefensible that they didn’t. But it’s just boggling that the D wasn’t able to stop Atlanta in those last 25 seconds. Made me think back to the 2007 Giants not allowing Brady to even get a yard when he had plenty of time to do his thing.

    There’s really no way I can see to blame one side of the ball over the other, but it’s just that it came down to a defensive stop and we didn’t get it.

  27. “There’s really no way I can see to blame one side of the ball over the other, but it’s just that it came down to a defensive stop and we didn’t get it.”

    Yep. And I boil it down even more to that first play of their final drive. That was the longer odds play. Once they had it to midfield, they could have lived with a 10 yrd throw and tried a FG kick, and it’s pretty hard to deny Gonzalez on a play like that, with his big body, and the way he’s able to box out defenders. But that first play, dammit, that took awhile to develop, and traveled a long way in the air, better pass rush or better coverage, and it doesn’t happen. Wish it had come out different.

  28. Excluding the Washington game where the Redskins continued to play with a crippled QB, the Seahawks Defense held the opposing Offense to over 10 yards under their season average in just 3 of the 9 road games (at STL, at Car, at SF). All early in the season.

  29. Dukeshire says:

    Your rational is not consistent so there’s really no point in discussing it further. As I see it, they lost by 2 and had two shots at 3 points each in the second quarter: one they botched, they other they simply devalued. In this one game, all other things being equal, that’s the ball game. You disagree and that’s fine.

  30. trout_hound says:

    I’ve always liked Bradley as DC, apart from the soft zone that has been our undoing late in games. He’s a hard nosed coach that gets our D ready to play, and sets them up in positions to be effective. He’ll be missed. Why doesn’t somebody poach the 9’ers DC instead?

  31. Back to CCVI’s list:

    6. Henry Melton – CHI – 26 yrs old
    13. Michael Bennett – TB – 27 yrs old
    26. Cliff Avril – DET – 26 yrs old
    35. Michael Johnson – CIN – 26 yrs old.
    Darryl Tapp
    Richard Seymour
    Dwight Freeney

    If I had my choice of these guys Melton and Johnson would be a dream come true. Realistically, Melton gets tagged. If Johnson doesn’t we’re probably going after him guns blazing. Avril I’m suspicious of because he gets the Suh assist. And since several of you guys mentioned Suh, I also agree that if we could add only one player to this team to win a Superbowl, Suh would be my 1st pick. Would the Lions trade him? Doubt it but you don’t know until you try. I would easily part with our 2013 & 2014 1st round picks to get him. Then there’s the matter of his $17,172,500 cap hit in 2013. The team is good enough to go “all in” at this point for that final difference maker if the FO chooses to do so. Just like Justin Smith magnifies Aldon Smith, Suh would do the same for Irvin/Clem/??? Why did you guys even mention him? Now I’m dreaming too big. Here’s his contract specs for fun:

  32. madpunter88 says:

    I am generally as objective as I can be in evaluating the Seahawks after a game; rarely straying into pure bias, hyperbole, or naivete. So I don’t think I am just being a homer saying that I do not think it is worthwhile criticizing the mistakes of the first half of that game.

    They lost the game and, of course, nothing changes that. But I find it hard to criticize the players, the coaches, or the team writ large for any mistakes of the first half (or even the final drive) considering the entire body of work of the second half. They came close to accomplishing something that had never been done before. Russell Wilson did more in that game than any Seahawks quarterback in history. For that they deserve a pass on some of the early mistakes.

    They say there are no moral victories in sports. I disagree. 31 teams go home each season saying “wait til next year” but I assert that none of the other 30 teams have as much to bank on for the next year as the Seahawks do following what they demonstrated in the second half of that game.

  33. vichawkfan says:

    Just read that Aaron Rodgers just pulled out of the Pro Bowl. Wonder if RW is next man up? He can take his bride on a nice vacation paid for by the NFL. I bet with a 3rd round rookie salary – he would be the lowest paid positional player on the field that day….”Go Hawks!”

  34. chuck_easton says:

    Eli is next up as an alternate. Wilson was the 3rd alternate behind #1 Brees (already replacing RGIII) and #2 Eli.

  35. trout_hound says:

    Interesting breakdown (pun intended) of that final pass to Gonzalez:

  36. djc81457 says:

    Eric- thank you for the great coverage this year. There are some articles that just don’t seem to know what they’re talking about like the ones that seem to be written by an east coast writer that never watched this team play.
    I know when I see your articles that I can always trust that there will be very competent coverage.
    I look forward to your coverage of the offseason. P{ossibly a lot of front office changes, a healthy amount of salary cap room, some great free agents available and a duo in Carrol Scneider that have made huge strides every year. Just thik how much better they will be with maturing and another off season!! WOW!

  37. Seahawks2620 says:

    thursday- In response to the Greg Jennings inquiry, I would love to have him on a reasonable contract. My only concern would be his injury history as of late. He has the talent. I would still like to bring in Mike Wallace, but Greg Jennings (injury prone and all) would be a fantastic addition. I think you then rotate Baldwin/Tate through the slot. I really don’t want to waste a first or second round pick on a WR. The draft is deep with average talent. I don’t think it would be worth it.

  38. thursday says:

    I have to admit you guys, I would not mind Suh on our team. He may be an asshole, but he’s undeniably good and would probably magnify Irvin/Clem as someone else suggested. And hey, then everyone else can finally fully relish calling us dirtbags lol

  39. Seahawks2620 says:

    Jennings has a phenomenal ability to get separation really quickly, which is attributed to his excellent route running. It would be a welcomed addition, to acquire someone who is able to get open within the first few seconds of the play. Too many times it seemed as if Russell had plenty of protection, but couldn’t find a single open receiver. Some of that has to be blamed on Russell’s ability to find those guys consistently, but we are all aware that we need an upgrade to our WR corps. I think bringing in a bigger body such as Jennings would take a bit of pressure off of Rice as well.

  40. Seahawks2620 says:

    Even though I don’t condone Suh’s actions at times, you can’t deny the talent. I’m sure most people here would love to have his talent on this team. It would be huge for our Dline. However, have there been any indications what so ever that they are interested in trading him? Even if so, it would take quite the package of players and cash to acquire him.

  41. SandpointHawk says:

    Well Suh has a 17.2 million cap number next year and Detroit is low on cap space. Of course they might dump him but can even the Seahawks afford that contract?

  42. thursday says:

    @Seahawks2620 I agree with everything you wrote there and was thinking some of it myself. We really need someone who can consistently get separation.

  43. Suh doesn’t allow QBs to step up in the pocket with any consistency. Even if you have great edge rushers, which we don’t, it doesn’t matter as much if your guys beat the tackle outside and yet the QB can step up and throw the ball. Ewalters mentioned Sedric Ellis last night. He’s a 3-tech who played for Mr. Happy at USC that the Saints traded up to #7 or #8 in the draft about four years ago. Maybe he could be the “impact” guy for 2013 while our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round rookie gets a year of seasoning at the position. I don’t know a lot of Ellis though and his sack numbers aren’t exactly impressive through four years in the league. All I know is that something needs to change from what we had at 3-tech in the game last weekend (and pass rush at Leo and pass rush at left end…).

  44. Sand – There would be something done to the point where, if traded for, his number wouldn’t be that number for the Seahawks ($17.2 million against the cap). Something would get done where the actual cap his would be lower.

  45. SandpointHawk says:

    Bobby ….Of course Mr. S would never pull that trigger for that number. We have a new financial model in Seattle. New England comes to mind…

  46. Seahawks2620 says:

    As far as the draft and Wide Receivers go, the only guy I have interest in is DeAndre Hopkins. Keenan Allen is another guy, but he endured a pretty significant injury earlier in the season.

  47. ruminator1 says:

    madpunter, i think it is fair to criticize the play calling in the first half. seattle’s offense was very predictable, essentially a run/run/pass format, over and over and over.
    on the run vs fieldgoal issue, i thought the decision to use Turbin on 3rd down was a mistake and having made that mistake, they followed that up with what i consider to be another mistake, the handoff to Robinson. If they wanted to run (not my choice on either down) it should have been Lynch both times. Turbin comes into the game in a short yardage situation? almost 100% he is going to get the ball. we know it and you can bet Atlanta knew it. on 4th down, Robinson was up close to the line, no room for a driving run.
    should they have kicked the field goal? considering the plays they did call, i’d say yes. but some play action involving Wilson? my first choice. i’d also say it is silly to argue we win if they kick. It gives us a score and some momentum. good. but it also effects decision making during the 2nd half and who can say how that would turn out. a remarkable comeback for sure. but how different this game would have been with a closer first half. we dug a deep hole and a miracle second half by the offense and defense almost pulled it out. i think the play calling was terrible in the first half and that was what caused the deep hole.
    every commentator i saw before the game said the key to the game was stopping Lynch. and stop Lynch they did–because the play calling was so predictable. imo that is why we lost the game. i admit i was confused about the defensive alignment at the end (my ignorance). i am not sure about the best defensive scheme for our team in that situation. but it seems obvious we chose the wrong one.
    finally, someone raised the issue of remaining timeouts. i am pretty sure we had at least one more and, having already tried to rattle the kicker’s concentration, i think they should have tried it again. maybe/probably no difference, but ….

  48. We don’t need to sign one of the big FA WRs just so we can send Tate to the bench, as that’s what would happen if we added one. I like Rice, Tate, and Baldwin but I will admit that this position is in my top 3 for team needs (after DT and DE). I think it would be better served with adding a rookie in rounds 1-3. Besides, the way Wilson scrambles and buys WRs more time, maybe a fast/talented rookie could make more of a rookie impact that way than normal rookie WRs do.

    I don’t want a Jennings type either (getting older, injuries starting to mount, etc.). Part of the reason we were so healthy, IMO, besides Lady Luck, is because we were so young. Unless we’re talking about the immediate need of pass rushers, I don’t want us signing anyone getting close to 30 to big money contracts since I’d like to take care of “our own” first (like they did with Unger in training camp). I love the idea of not having any key FAs and potentially add others, in addition to keeping our own.

    However, when it comes to the DL, I’d like to sign 2-3 who can/will help right away (even if they are older due to the dire nature of our current situation and how close we are to winning it all), in addition to drafting 2-3 of them. After Mebane, I’m really not overly confident in any of our DL anymore. I used to love Big Red and I’m sure his foot injury played a part in his production but he was never able to rush the passer anyways. I still like him, don’t get me wrong, but we must rush the passer A LOT better next year and everyone realizes it, thankfully.

  49. raymaines says:

    I totally, absolutly, 100% promise Seattle will never ever again finish last in the division:

  50. SandpointHawk says:

    LOL… (Satire font begin) You go Arizona, he is a great QB. Perfect for your system and a real franchise QB….

  51. sluggo42 says:

    Boy o boy….

    I’m just kickin back day dreaming about next year. Just imagining kicking off an watching the other team come up to th emline and having their qb look across the line and seeing red to his right, Smelling Suhs stanly breath right in his face, and Alan branch to his left. Irvin dancing around either side, a bunch of gnarly LBs right behind them, and KamBam right behind them. And so looking for some relief he looks out to his left and sees 6-4 BB about to undress one of his WRs, so he looks to his right and sees Shermtrirling hid finger around hid head like he is crazy to throw over there…. Soooo, ….3 and out..

    Then RW marches the troops down the field in about 6 plays and hangs 7 ……

    Rinse, and repeat…

    wAR HAWKS!

  52. That’s a good dream.

  53. montanamike2 says:

    Tebow to Arizona would be scary….funny ha ha!

  54. edstang45 says:

    So what do you guys think of DE eziekal Ansah, and DT Jonathon Hankins…the mocks are out already …so what are your thoughts on these two guys

  55. It’s getting old hearing the same comment over and over again about PC’s choice to go for it on 4th down. That wasn’t THE defining decision leading to the loss. It was one of many mistakes both by players and by the coaching staff. Just as you could also say that several mistakes by the Falcons players and coaching staff allowed us an opportunity to get back in the game.

    As is the same with nearly every NFL game, there are 4 or 5 plays or decisions that contribute more than others to the final outcome.

    Can’t we just be content that the season as a whole exceeded our expectations? That the job the entire organization has done to turn this thing around has been extrodinary, if not unheard of in the history of the league? How many teams have turned an entire roster over in three years, reached the playoffs with the 2nd youngest roster in the league, won a road playoff game and positoned themselves draft and salary cap-wise to be a contender for many, many years to come?

    How can we complain about anything given where we were? We have a great program in place. We have a great young team. And we are winners. Remember, we could be in Cleveland. Or even worse, Buffalo. Let’s drink a little more Koolaid, toast our season, and look forward to what is to come.

  56. freedom_X says:

    If Suh == Albert Haynesworth – do you still want him?

    Question I asked on the other thread – if it’s so obvious the man off coverage is a bad scheme – why do Carroll and Bradley call it? Seriously, if it’s so clear that it’s a bad idea, why is it they use that play? Why is it that Carroll thinks it works (as he stated in the Monday press conference?) That’s what I’d love to know.

    Another thing I’d like to hear more about is why the run defense has gone south. To me, that’s a far more significant problem than end-of-game coverage schemes, but has gotten little attention.

    Apparently Wilson called an audible on the 4th and 1, according to Carroll, but the team didn’t hear it because of the crowd noise, and that’s why the Atlanta guy came in unblocked.

    Also, many people feel that Marshawn Lynch’s foot injury really was serious and crippled his running. Not totally sure I agree, but there was something missing from his runs, setting aside the issue of poor blocking.

  57. I totally agree with the run defense comment Freedom. Something’s up there. Not sure if Mebane is getting double-teamed on a regular basis and the next guy isn’t cutting it, or if schemes have changed since 2011, or something else. I may have to spend some time going back through games I’ve saved and try to see what’s changed. But we defintiely need to upgrade the interior DL. It would be ideal to have a solid rotation of guys that can both stop the run and provide some QB pressure on a pretty consistent basis. I almost miss Rocky Bernard.

  58. Looks like it’s official – Gus Bradley is now the new Eagles Head Coach.

  59. montanamike2 says:

    That’s news.

  60. No way in heck is Suh = Albert Haynesworthless. Suh got paid from day one thanks to the crazy rookie salaries and dominated right off the bat. Albert quit when he got paid. Their bodies and play are different too (although both can be great in different ways).

  61. Eagles fans feel they have the second coming of Bill Belichick.

    Good for them.

  62. yakimahawk says:

    Looks like we may lose both of our coordinators. If that happens it will be huge adjustment for the O&D. We may lose a couple of extra games just based on that. Unless Cable takes over and RW calls his own plays..yehaw!

  63. Seahawks2620 says:

    Although the chances of a Suh deal coming to fruition are one in a billion, I would be more than ecstatic. Just have to wonder how much would be asked of us.

  64. raymaines says:

    I’m happy for Gus Bradley, just as long as he leaves town without taking JS with him.

    Minor shake ups are often a good thing. Maybe it’s time for some new blood in Seahawkville.

  65. As much as I love Suh, I think the chances of him coming here next year are slim to none (and I think slim left town).

    The most probable bet is to resign a Jason Jones or sign an Ellis/Dorsey type in FA that this regime thinks they can get more from than what that (talented) player has produced up to this point AND drafting a 3-tech in the early rounds. Howard must really have disappointed this year for Scruggs to get more playing time than him and not to get much action on a team that couldn’t get hardly any consistent rush to save their lives.

  66. Paul Novack broke the news on Bradley but every Philadelphia area reporter saying it’s not a done deal yet.

  67. Do you have the champaign on ice until it becomes “official?” lol

  68. The Broncos DB Coach gets fired because his player can’t properly execute a prevent defense and the Seahawks DC gets lifetime financial security because his players did properly execute his faulty end of game management.

  69. freedom_X says:

    If the end of game management is so faulty, why doesn’t Pete Carroll do something out it?

  70. pabuwal – the seahawks in no way “propperly executed” the defense in the final plays against atlant. Bobby Wagner got burned like the inexperienced rookie he was. It was sad but there was a clear failure to properly execute the scheme. That said, Tony Gonzalez beat every scheme that was played against him all game long. It didn’t matter what scheme or who was trying to cover him, Gonzalez beat them all, because he was the better player.

  71. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    I have no problems whatsoever with Bradley’s departure. Four blown leads running the same losing third down and end of game schemes over and over again is cause for outright dismissal. Especially with that kind of talent to work with.

    Any rational analysis of the last two offensive plays cannot attribute the breakdown to the pass rush. The ball was out as soon as Ryan hit his back foot both times. And he knew exactly where he was going to find his man open. The primary problem was the coverage scheme and the PHILOSPHY behind why it was used.

    The vast majority of defensive snaps were NOT played that way by our defense. Hence their overall stats.

    But get us into third down and the end of the game . . . and the very principles that got us the best defense in the league are continually thrown out the window. And in favor of what is seemingly ‘safe’ in the form of trying to assign our players to zones on a long field the will always have gaping holes be able to be exploited. All it’s safe for is preventing a TD or 25+ yard completion from happening on any one play. So what?

    I don’t think our defense will change much with Bradley’s departure. First and second down certainly won’t. End of of game and long third are the real questions. And even an average D coordinator, which is what I think Bradley is, will do no worse. Because its actually hard to do worse.

    Any form of playing to our personnel strengths, meaning press coverage at the LOS and taking away their primary target, deep middle of the field, and forcing the QB to go through progressions to make a read. will be far more likely to produce third down and end of game results that are in keeping with our overall statistical performance.

    Bradley makes it so that on critical downs, the receivers can run freely to an open zone in less than 2.5 seconds and the QB knows that they’ll be there. Which is a losing proposition no matter who’s coming after the QB.

  72. AZ is also reportedly going to interview Darrell Bevell. I think a new DC may give us a spark and actually be good for this D, but for continuity’s sake I really want Bevell to stay and keep this thing rolling with Russ.

  73. Nice scheme to have Bobby Wagner on the slot WR and then the TE without any attempt at a jam and then playing off the player several yards to make the completion easier.

    What makes the no jams allowed policy even worse is commiting an extra pass rusher through blitzing 2 DBs.

  74. Very well said SeventiesHawksFan. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  75. send your resumes to the seahawks if you’re a qualified replacement for Gus Bradley. lol!

  76. Whenever we found ourselves with a late lead, we all pretty much knew what the defense was going to do (give it up).

    If anyone has ever seen the movie “Groundhog Day” with Bill Murray, you could pretty much tell the story of our season with a late lead.

    It has been well documented here the late leads we had and then lost because of what we were doing (or not doing) on defense. However, we even pulled out some wins (like the Green Bay game) after the defense had done their “best” to make sure we lost it late.

    In no way am I being critical of this defense entirely. Afterall, they were a pretty dang good group (on average). Their downfall was the end of games. We know this. We all watched the same games.

    I know we’re going to lose some games next year and I know we’re going to lose some of them late because our defense couldn’t hold the lead. That’s the nature of this game.

    However, I think it is and should be reasonable to expect that our defense makes a hold in some of those situations, too. That’s not something we got this year and while I do respect Bradley to a degree, it’s also a reason I’m not shedding any tears that he’s about to leave (especially with Mr. Happy around).

  77. Ya I also agree completely with that, SeventiesHawksFan.

  78. SeventiesHawksFan says:


    Wagner should not have been in the place he was at on the field on EITHER play.

    And Gonzalez being allowed to run free and just turn around to make a catch that twenty other TE’s can was part of what that coverage permits and allows. There wasn’t ANYTHING special that either Ryan or Gonzales did up to the point of the catch being made. His breaking tackles after the catch is a different story. He absolutely needed to have a man on him and challenged at the LOS with ET bracketing him. And that would have meant playing the other receivers play press as well so that ET can be in the right spot. At that point Ryan is looking for another option. Or at least making a very tight throw into an area where Gonz is tacked immediately.

    That last defensive play is ALL in the coaching staff. Every last bit of it.

  79. Just because they aren’t happy the Seahawks lost on Sunday doesn’t mean they think they know more than Gus Bradley (I don’t think).

  80. pabuwal, why do you think Wagner was coached to play off of Gonzales several yards? Who said he was coached to give Gonzales room? That’s a big assumption. I doubt Wagner was coached to give that much room, looked to me like was afraid to try covering Gonzales too closely because he had been getting beaten repeatedly all game long.

    They tried blitzing the QB because not blitzing and trying to cover Gonzales hadn’t been working. If they had assigned an LB to hit Gonzales at the LOS and sent Trufant into coverage, Gonzales would likely have caught the ball again anyway, and everyone would be blaming Bradley for not blitzing and giving Ryan too much time.

  81. Is there another team with better talent on Defense than the Seahawks? Maybe the 49ers?

    This isn’t a Dick LeBeau type of deal where he is coming up with the number 1 ranked defense with an old group of players whose best days are far behind them.

  82. Its easy to blame the coaches, but sometimes your players simply get beat. That’s all I’m saying.

  83. The beat writers clearly stated that Wagner wasn’t too happy with their assignments (came from the coaches) on that final drive. He was mad. I think Dave, Eric, etc. all mentioned his frustration.

    Tony Gonzalez sure played a great game though. There were a handful of players on both sides who played like champions on Sunday and, unfortunately, one team had to lose.

  84. Ewalters7354 says:

    Bottom line, that loss was painful.We shouldn’t even be talking draft right now. But due to the undisciplined,”always compete” nature of our head coach, here we are.Don’t get me wrong I love and am happy with Pete Carroll as our head coach, just hurts to lose a game that way.Yea there were mistakes across the board, but had he just taken the points, we would have a chance to compete another week.Dammit!

  85. I hate to say it, but I think the Niners will be able to demonstrate next Sunday their LBs are the best in the NFL, and their safeties are as good as ours. They may be able to handle Atlanta’s receivers better than our young Seahawks could. Also, SF had a home game and should be better rested. I can see them beating Atlanta, as much as I’d hate seeing that.

  86. Bobbyk- thanks, I just thought Wagner was frustrated because he got beat. It will be interesting to see if San Francisco can handle Gonzales.

  87. I know nobody’s worried about the Cardinals, but since I live in Phoenix, I hear quite a bit from their perspective. And after listening to some of the sports talk guys here, it seems the Cards are getting a wee bit desperate. I guess none of the hotter coaching prospects wants the Cardinal’s job, for obvious reasons. Lack of an established starting QB, the owners have a reputation for being cheap and meddling, and a losing tradition. In fact, they constantly state how they’ve only had 3 winning seasons in 25 years, and did I mention that the Bidwells are known for being pretty frugal. Supposedly Steve Keim is the NFL’s lowest paid GM at $750,000.

    Listening to the talk down here, it makes me glad I’m a Seahawks fan, and makes me appreciate how good we have it. That reminds me, I just saw that knucklehead Ricardo Lockette on NFL Replay yelling out that idiotic “Who’s got it better than us? Nobody!” garbage with Harbaugh in the locker room after their game. In red spandex no less. Big Lock is a dam foo.

    Going back to the Cardinals, they had their sights on Reid, but he used them as leverage to land a deal with KC. Then, they wanted Denver OC Mike McCoy, but he signed with San Diego. Now, they are down to Stealers OC Todd Haley, Ray Horton, and now Bevell. Haley reportedly wants too much money and too much personnel decision making power. Horton would be the logical choice, but some feel he is too confrontational to be a head coach. I hope Bevell doesn’t go to AZ, that would be like a ’14 pt swing’. I wonder if the Seahawks can deny AZ permission to talk with Bevell, since they are division “rivals”. But if he goes to AZ, does he try to get Flynn?

  88. I’ll feel sorry for any coach who signs with AZ.

  89. I hear folks calling DE and DT their top priorities for upgrades this offseason. That’s right I think, but I keep thinking about this…

    My#1 wish for this team, if we could find one very special player, would be a WLB who can really cover and rush the passer.

    Just imagine if you added Julian Peterson, in his prime, to this team. That’s the kind of inside coverage ability and pass rush ability I’d love to add to this defense. Someone long, lean, rangey, and explosive.

    my take on team needs 2013:

    1) Rush/cover WLB (competition for Hill/Smith)
    (or move Chancellor to OLB and go get a new starting SS)

    2) 3-tech DT (competition for Branch)

    3) DE (competition for Clemons/Irvin/Scruggs)

    4) Split End WR (competition for Tate/Kearse)

    5) nickel CB (competition for Thurmond/Lane)

    6) cover SS (competition for Johnson/Guy)

    7) receiving TE (competition for McCoy/Helfet)

    If Trufant, Guy, Johnson, Hill, Helfet, Kearse, and Scruggs cannot make the team next year, each of those will be a good sign of improvement.

  90. Dukeshire says:

    Wonderful backhanded insult toward Bradley and the entire defensive coaching staff. Dear god…

    Stevo – I too think SF will roll Atl.

  91. Ewalters7354 says:

    Stevos, I understand your point and its valid.Yes guys do get beat sometimes, but if they are in no position to compete and attempt to make a play, do you think it would be hard to complete a pass? Let’s be realistic here.They were assigned to just wait for the guy to catch the ball and tackle him, on both plays.Failing to realize that Falcons only needed 40yrds.They got that yardage in 12 seconds!

  92. Not to mention it was the same defense that resulted in losses during the season

  93. SeventiesHawksFan says:


    What I’ve read is that Sherman, Browner and Wagner were all pretty angry at the coverage that was called. And any fan should be also. That was a coaching breakdown of epic proportions.

    Thereis a reason that two plays starting from the 28 does not get a team into field goal range very often. You either need a totally blown assignment with no safety help over the top. Or you need to scheme yourself into leaving gaping holes on the field. The latter happened. And it completely avoidable.

    Even if a receiver was jammed at the LOS and somehow broke free to get open, the catch still would have been made five yards shallower, the timing if the play would have been disrupted, and safety help would have been able to close after the catch was made.

    But to let primary targets run free to vacated spots on the field with no one there. And with the wring player at the wrong spot, there is no excuse for that whatsoever.

    Gonzales was easy to cover that play. He did nothing special on his route whatsoever. He ran down the field and turned around. Ryan hit his back foot and put it where he wanted to. No reads necessary other than to see I’ve got zone and my other guys are running routes to clear that spot out.

    I don’t need to know more than Gus Bradley to know that you cannot have a D coordinator put his players in that kind of position at ANY time. He needs to know what to do under that scenario. And he didn’t.

    There is a true problem with end of game and third down with that coaching staff that is guaranteed to lose games and on third down before a single player steps onto the field. And until its identified, its not going to go away.

  94. Okay. Exactly which defense scheme did you see stop Tony Gonzales that day?

  95. Gonzalez had 5 catches for 32 yards before his final catch. The Seahawks simply needed to keep doing what they were doing throughout the game and the game would have been over.

  96. ChrisHolmes says:

    The errors that I saw in the game were predominantly coaching errors (I can point to one for every major coach: HC, OC, DC).

    Our players played well. Exceptionally well. But in a couple of situations they were not put in the best position to win. 4th-and-1. 25 seconds left. Atlanta kicking that last FG…

    It’s not the end of the world. It’s a football game. This team exceeded expectations and gave us fans a GREAT final few weeks. I mean, c’mon? As Maximus said, were you not entertained???

    The coaches could have done better. Calling coverage – calling plays in crucial spots. But I am not going to crucify them. I am a happy Seaahawks fan today. We have our franchise QB and we have a bright future.

    Let’s APPRECIATE what we just witnessed over the final 6 weeks of the season. Let’s APPRECIATE what we have to look forward to!

    We haven’t had this before… this is uncharted territory…

    And I, for one, am excited about it.

  97. I saw some coaching errors, and I saw errors by players who were tired out, inexperienced, or over-matched.

    Tony Gonzales caught the ball when we tried to cover him tight. He caught the ball when we laid off and tried to hit him hard as the ball came in. He caught the ball when he was pressed at the line of scrimmage and when he wasn’t.

    Gonzales looked our defense in the face and beat us like a red-headed step-child. We can blame the coaches or we can blame the players covering him, but Gonzales was the better player on Sunday.

  98. Ewalters7354 says:

    Stevos, Tony Gonzales had a great game in part to making contested catches that game.Kam and Guy were all over him at times and his greatness just took over.But at least they were contested and he had to work for them.His last catch was like a pregame warm up.

  99. How does rainman keep track of their obsessive rants about one person so they don’t end up typing the same thing repeatedly?

  100. freedom_X says:

    Since not one of the anti-Bradley camp can or will answer my question, I’ll take a stab at answering it:

    The reason why Pete Carroll isn’t doing anything about Gus Bradley’s horrible game-end playcalling is this: Pete Carroll agrees with it.

    What annoys me to no end is people acting as though a season-long issue is somehow happening without Pete Carroll’s knowledge, consent, or direction.

    Just like so many were yelling at Bevell to “take the training wheels off of Russell Wilson.” As it clearly turns out (and as I said at the time) the offensive gameplan was all in accordance with Pete Carroll’s wishes. Which makes sense, him being the head coach and all.

    Believe or not, Uncle Pete knows what little Gus Bradley has been calling all year in his playroom, and what he plans to call in each game and situation. If Carroll didn’t like it, he’d either tell Bradley to knock it off or he’d fire him/strip away his playcalling duties.

    The attempt to separate Carroll from what his assistants do, especially his defensive coordinator, frankly is ludicrous. You think Gus Bradley should take a hike because of the late game schemes? Then also tell Carroll to take a hike. Pray Pete Carroll bails out and goes to another team.

    If Bradley blew a given game with bad calls, sure, that can happen without Carroll’s input. But no way does that happen all year long as the anti-Bradley camp maintains.

    Unless there is a major change in personnel (i.e. a big boost in the pass rush), next year, the new Seattle defensive coordinator will call the exact same thing, because that’s how Pete Carroll wants it. If takes Carroll the offseason to figure out how wrong he was, maybe Carroll should be fired. But it is absolutely asinine to attribute these failings purely to Bradley and somehow absolve or ignore Carroll. Carroll is the root of this, be it good or bad.

  101. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    I don’t think that a thorough dissection of the end if game scheme disaster is an excessive rant. What is more frustrating is seeing that where this same issue has come up all season long has not been thoroughly identified.

    We heard PC say one sentence about adjusting scheme (with no specifics which is understandable) while talking on and on in his final press conference about pass rush. Which we do sorely need.

    But pass rush wasn’t even close to the primary reason for those two completions. That was poor scheme and playcalling the whole way through. And it was pretty EASY for the other guys.

    Which makes the Hawks kinda like the fastest and most powerful car on the track, but you know most of the time its driver is guaranteed on lap 498 to drive totally differently and careen into the wall. In which case, it can’t actually win when it matters. Until you identify and fix that problem, its just a fast and exciting car.

    I don’t want to crucify the coaches. What they have put together is truly special and had the ability to be dominant. But when they switch to playing away from their strengths, put their best men in bad spots, and go away from what they do well, it’s really hard to fathom what the inner psychology might be that’s behind it.

    And whatever is going on there, if its bit identified in explicit language and changes are not made accordingly, you can be pretty certain you’ll get the same results over and over again.

  102. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    On a more positive and forward looking note, I expect JS and PC to do the following in the off season:

    In free agency, I think the primary targets will be DT, DE and possibly an explosive or difference making WR.

    For the Hawks in particular, these positions are worth paying big money for, insofar as upgrades at these positions can be immediate difference makers.

    Developing a true impact DE or WR tends to be a multi-year project, especially for players taken from later rounds in the draft. So if JS / PC are looking for true difference makers at those positions to be available next year, the draft is not the best place to find them.

    For the draft, I would not be surprised that this is the year we trade up to get the players they want the most.

    There is likely NO CHANCE whatsoever that even five of their ten picks will make this team this year. The Seahawks are in a a vastly different position today than the last two years, so this year draft is probably going to be more about finding specialized role and game-changing players at areas of need, rather than adding depth.

    The positions I suspect PC/JS target in the draft: Defensive end (probably a project player rather than starter), defensive tackle (who could potentially compete for the starting spot and depending on what they find in free agency), OLB (probably another project and ST player), corner, tight end, and possibly a project receiver, OT, or OG. I’d be happy with two starters from the draft. And another couple or three who may be ready to start when our current young players depart for higher contracts.

    I’ll also be surprised if the Seahawks will get what they’d like for Matt Flynn. The flavor of the year is the mobile QB who can also thrown in the mold of RW, Kaep and RW3. They could possibly get a third round pick. I don’t think they can get a second for Flynn.

    And with fewer rookies likely to make the team this year, I’m not sure that a third is enough for PC to let Flynn go. Especially if that third would also need to be used to draft a player at QB that is worse (but cheaper) than Flynn.

    There is also the distinct possibility that Flynn simply demands a trade, which I suspect JS / PC would honor. But I don’t think they take less than a third. Or they get a legit starter at a position of need out of the deal.

  103. Ewalters7354 says:

    Actually there have been a few people who called out PC.If anything he lost the game by not taking points.But that still doesn’t mean I won’t be mad about the poor playcalling.Call it “endless rants” if you will, but I will always remember this season as one that ended the way it shouldn’t have.It doesn’t take a coach or rocket scientists to figure out that our coaches lost that game by not doing what they were suppose to.I will rant and rant until the problem gets fixed.

  104. montanamike2 says:

    Wow i wake up early.
    Tate was saying in an interview a few weeks back that they’ve been running the same plays all season long and it’s been working. So well in fact that we’ve become predictable, i understand running Lynch for the first 2 plays of every game to set the tone and keep them honest, but after that we should mix it up a bit. It wasn’t just the Tony Gonzoles catch at the end or the timeout after a missed fg, i think we should have run the clock out more before we scored so they didn’t get the ball back with 30 seconds! Hopefully this will be growing pains and i think RW gets more decision making next year. I want proven FA’s along with top draft picks to address our weaknesses. Seriously they wouldn’t have gotten 27 points if we had any kind of pass rush.

  105. montanamike2 says:

    Wilson got cheated out of many things this year, the dropped passes to win 3-4 games that would have sewn up the division quick, he already beat Mannings TD record if what 4-5 TD’s weren’t reversed by stupid penalties, the best comeback in NFL history! Probably ROY and a chance for the trophy. Poor kid got screwed, but he’s for real and he’s ours.

  106. bbnate420 says:

    I like PC a lot as a coach, but I do believe he has some improving to do in regards to in-game situational decision making. I think he shoots from the hip too much in this regard. Or that’s my guess.

    I’m no expert on defensive schemes, but I don’t believe Bradley was the one out there missing tackle after tackle on Turner and Rodgers. Was he? That doesn’t mean they couldn’t learn/do better in terms of scheme, but there is a reason that he and PC get paid big bucks to coach and we are posting from our armchairs. Might do us some good to remember that. They know a lot more about their personnel than we do. Anyways, you should be happy if he is gone, pabuwal.

    I’m not sure why people, other than BobbyK, are so appalled at the idea of TJack coming in to compete for backup if they trade Flynn? He will never be anything more than an average starter or a fairly goo backup, IMO, but that’s what he would be coming here to do. BACK UP. He can win a few games, or more accurately not lose, for you if RW goes down. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that Brees and Brady are lining up to be backups. Drafting a QB late could be a good option as well. Let him and TJack comPETE.

  107. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    I really don’t see them trading up, maybe trading away picks for next years picks. just not their way of doing things.

    been looking at the mock drafts seems to be a huge DE/OLB draft. that said most of them have the hawks taking a WR which is a wasted pick unless they think he would be productive now(rarity). one that caught my attention was a big RT from georgia. this pick makes great sense to me, let’s face it breno is better suited to be a mauling guard IMO. .the right side gave up 33 sacks on the year a ton at the end of the season. let face it if we want help right now on DL we need to get a free agent or two.

    guys we all know the coaches made some bad decisions in the last game. i didn’t see that as the only problem thou. too many blown assignments also contributed.

    lastly if we lose bevell i want norv turner for OC, crappy HC great OC

  108. I’ve never heard of Tony Gonzales before.

    I’d want Seneca Wallace as our back-up before that thing we had last year.

  109. sluggo42 says:

    Who is more intelligent, Seneca or Tavares?

  110. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    Bobby, that dead horse rode out of town he won’t be coming back.

  111. hawkfaninoklahoma – I ***PRAY*** you’re right!!!

  112. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    i like trading flynn to chiefs for 2nd

  113. CDHawkFan says:

    I think all the front office has brought back was Butler and I don’t think he was active for any games. Once they make a decision, they go with it. (just like the soft D they played at the end of the games). These guys have big ego’s, they are NFL coaches, they will go to their grave with their ways. That is why I won’t be too sad if Gus goes, I don’t think he will change his prevent/soft D way. Now Bevell seemed to listen and change a little when they started opening up the play book to RW mid season.

    I would like to see;
    1) DE (pass rusher)
    2) DT (replace either Jones/Branch)
    3) LB (replace Hill)
    4) TE (takes McCoy’s spot)
    The rest, best available

    Like most have said, it is possible only 5 or so of the 10 picks will make the team so would like to see some of the later picks traded for 2014 picks or to package with 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks to move up a little earlier this year.

    I don’t see anyone in the draft really making a huge difference in 2013 (not like RW or Wagner) as I don’t see as many holes unless we find gold with #25 and can find someone to bring pressure on all 4 downs (not likely). If our window is now, do we trade multiple picks this year for a proven 10 – 12 sack guy?

    We are like 100 days away from the draft and I can’t wait.

  114. CDHawkFan says:

    OK, we need to pull that trigger and then trade both of our 2nd this year to the Jags, or Oakland to get their 1st next year (and hope to get Clowney in 2014)…but that will never happen.

    Its great having a O that can score at will, but deep down, I really prefer to have a D that can knock the snot out of anyone. It makes them more likable and me proud of ‘my team’ when I see Browner kick the crap out of Garcon. Maybe thats because I am a meathead?

    Clowney is the biggest freak of a player I have seen, just a man against boys.

  115. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – Wagner was not “on the slot”. He we covering the strong side underneath zone. Ryan found Douglas in the soft between Browner and Wagner. “On the slot” would describe man coverage, in which case he would have been lined up on Douglas. He clearly was not. It was zone coverage.

    I agree about Gonzales being given a free release, but the second part of that (which you fail to mention) is who jams or chips him? Based on the formation that would fall on Irvin, IMO. Although he was playing off the line about 5 yards, he still has time to chip Gonzales and disrupt him, while blitzing. In retrospect, he ought to have been closer to the line where his delayed blitz would maintain similar timing.

    In essence, the reasons behind your criticisms are off target. Hating the results is one thing (we all did), but let’s not misplace the blame.

  116. Duke – I realize they were playing a zone. I posted as such numerous times beforehand. Our whole discussion has revolved around the soft zone they love to play in that situation.

    By saying Wagner “was in the slot”, I was referring to the player he immediately went towards (and gave yards of cushion to) as soon as the ball was snapped. It wasn’t the most elegant way of saying it, but that’s life posting from a phone. If you go back and watch both plays, as soon as the ball was snapped, he immediately went towards Douglas (play 1) and Gonzalez (play 2).

  117. Ewalters7354 says:

    “I’m no expert on defensive schemes, but I don’t believe Bradley was the one out there missing tackle after tackle on Turner and Rodgers. Was he? That doesn’t mean they couldn’t learn/do better in terms of scheme, but there is a reason that he and PC get paid big bucks to coach and we are posting from our armchairs. Might do us some good to remember that. They know a lot more about their personnel than we do.”

    Aside from the first sentence, this is a bunch of bull.No one is claiming they know more than these guys, some just are smart enough to know when a dumb decision is made, costing your team the season.Guess we should all just be “satisfied” with the way the season ended eh?

  118. bbnate420 says:

    That wasn’t my point, Ewalters, but at some point it comes off like air guitarists criticizing Hendrix for the notes he played. ;-)

  119. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    Nebraska’s Kyler Reed is undersized at 6’2, 225, but is an explosive athlete with 4.4 40 seam-running speed. joker TE?

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