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Thurmond out, Hill questionable vs. Rams

Post by Eric Williams on Dec. 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm with 79 Comments »
December 28, 2012 2:26 pm

Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said that Walter Thurmond has been ruled out for Sunday’s game against St. Louis because of a lingering hamstring injury.

This is the third game Thurmond will miss, and Carroll seemed to indicate that he could miss Seattle’s first playoff game the following week as well.

“It hasn’t been as smooth as we’d like,” Carroll said about Thurmond. “He’s really been pushing, he just hasn’t been able to get out of the discomfort. With a hamstring you’ve got to come back feeling nothing. You can’t be nursing it, or you’re too vulnerable.

“But he’s still feeling it, and that’s not a good sign for this week obviously. It’s going to be hard for him to get back next week I would think.”

Linebacker Leroy Hill (hamstring) and offensive tackle Breno Giacomini (elbow) also are questionable. If Hill can’t go, Malcolm Smith would get the start. And Frank Omiyale would get the nod at right tackle if Giacomini is not available.

“He’s still questionable,” Carroll said about Hill. “We don’t know that yet. He’s run yesterday some and today some to show us that he can go. We’re not sure if he’s full speed yet or not until Saturday.”

The Seahawks appear to be preparing themselves in case Hill is not available. Defensive tackle Hebron Fangupo has been told he will be released. The Seahawks signed linebacker Allen Bradford from the practice squad to the active roster to fill in as depth.

Seattle also announced that receiver Deon Butler has been signed back to the active roster. Cornerback Ron Parker was released to make room for Butler.

Carroll said that Marcus Trufant came through fine this week. Trufant missed four games with a hamstring injury, but has been working most of the week inside at nickel cornerback, and will be available to play on Sunday.

“Tru did well,” Carroll said. “He’s ready to play. It’s great to have him back.”

Carroll also said Richard’s Sherman’s win in his appeal with the NFL was good news for the team, particularly with Brandon Browner returning for the team’s playoff run next week after serving a four-game suspension.

“It was a big announcement for Richard,” Carroll said. “Our guys love him, and he’s been a fantastic football player on this team. He knew that something was wrong from the start, and it worked out fine.

“But that was a positive for us. We know that the next week getting our guys back together is kind of like putting the band back together next week. It will be good back there.”

Safety Earl Thomas (ankle), tight end Anthony McCoy (back), running back Marshawn Lynch (back), receiver Golden Tate (illness), defensive end Red Bryant (foot), receiver Sidney Rice (knee) and Trufant all fully participated in practice and are listed as probable.

For St. Louis, receiver Austin Pettis (shoulder), safety Craig Dahl (knee), cornerback Cortland Finnegan (thigh), running back Steven Jackson (illness), linebacker James Laurinaitis (back) and center Scott Wells (knee) are all probable for the Rams.

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  1. Dang. I really hoped Thurmond would be ready this week after he (and Tru) practiced last Friday (I think it was), even if it was in a limited capacity.

    I can’t wait for things to shake out to see where we play come play-off time!

  2. Ewalters7354 says:

    I really hope Pete saves Tru for the 4th quarter if the game is out of reach.That way he can get beat all day and not cost us the game.

    Great news about Malcolm Smith.I was concerned when Carroll announced his injury after the game and said nothing else about it.That’s a relief.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Of course Thurmond is out… Damn. And if Hill isn’t able to go that is good news for this D (presuming he too can stay healthy) because they have played significantly better since he has seen time.

    I’m looking forward to seeing who takes the nickel: Tru or Lane.

  4. boucherm says:

    Duke–are you saying you think Tru has a chance of starting outside over Lane, or thinking that Lane still bumps inside (like he did with Maxwell) when they go Nickel?

  5. JazBadAzz says:

    Thurmond must be one heck of a talent, I only remember him playing 1-2 games last 2 years!

    I would like to get a lead and sit some starters but its something about Fisher that has geared his team to beating all the division opponents! This is not going to be easy! All division games are double chin strap for the most part!

    I have been talking a lot of noise to the other fans on facebook, I will not do that any longer. Its pretty stupid to fill so confident after 3 blow out games. It only means I will sob even harder when/if we lose in the playoffs! Praying that my boys keep playing tough and proving the world wrong!

  6. Dukeshire says:

    boucherm – Actually, I’m jumping ahead a week. When Browner returns that is.

  7. thursday says:

    watching NFL network and the Niners reporter guy just said Smith isn’t likely to play this Sunday. I think the Cards chances just went up a bit lol

  8. EastCoastFan51 says:

    go CARDS!! At least this week

  9. It feels a bit odd,But go 9ers

  10. Or go Cards It was to odd to type BUt Win one for us Cards I know you can do it

  11. It’s quite interesting to me how well Pete/JS manage the depth chart based on their weekly needs: Fanguopo, Bradford, Butler… they come and go, but I get the feeling that each one of them when he’s here could make a key play. On this team you want the starters to play, but the back ups are interesting, too, and you want to see how they’ll do. It’s interesting that they keep Trufant around. He may not be the player he was, but I think he still has the smarts to intercept a pass or jump on a fumble.

  12. I would settle for a tie

  13. The Rams will be trying to make a statement and go undefeated in the NFC west so they can not be overlooked. I think the Hawks will play hard and take care of business at home. The crowd can not let down though. Wish I had tickets I think I am recovered enough from last week to yell for four quarters.

  14. mindnbrad says:

    Watched the Lambs-Bucs game. The Lambs DLine played well…pressured QB and stingy on run game. Another good test for our OLine.

  15. I have a feeling Tru won’t be here next year though.

  16. thursday says:

    cerjam, me too, wish i had tix lol. i’m sure the crowd will still be nuts. we want to go undefeated at home and obviously we still have that outside chance to win the division. i doubt neither the hawks nor the 12th man will let up on the gas

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Former NFC Gaurd Mark Schlereth says about the Seahawks O-line-

    “They’re nasty, they get after it.”

  18. edstang45 says:

    Looks like were relatively healthy going into playoffs….crossing finger for sundays game…Havent had Thurmond for two years his absense is normal, Hill is needed for depth, need to keep Rice healthy for playoffs period. Our depth is excellent this is a very good position we find ourselves!!!! Having a healthy o-line, healthy RB’s, QB,s and depth at Defense, is actually a first for us this time of year aint it? Just need our thin corp at WR to sneak by

  19. I think we’ll be fine with Sherman, Lane, Maxwell, and Tru at CB. That’s more CB talent than most teams have, even though we are missing a starter! At this point, the only reason Tru is still on this team is injuries and suspensions. I really like Lane’s quickness and aggressiveness and am happy to see him get more opportunities.

  20. Dukeshire says:

    While it’s fun to hear national people speak well about the ‘Hawks, Mark Schaleth is an idiot. He is exactly what makes ESPN little more than fluff and hyperbole: thoroughly lacking in substance. In short, he is just the type that when the ‘Hawks are playing well I completely reject from the bandwagon. Anyway, that’s probably just me…

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Do you all realize that this team is on the verge of doing something that no other Seahawk team has ever done?
    No other Seahawk team has ever gone through a season without losing by double digits in at least one game. Not even the 2005 team that went 13-3 did it.
    We have been in every game this year up to the end. Even when we lost.

  22. Georgia – That’s a pretty cool stat. Thanks.

  23. I know we all love him – but if Thurmond can’t stay healthy it is time to talk about replacing him on the roster.

    Same goes for Carp

  24. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Duke, you may be right that Schlereth is an overall idiot,( and we can say the same about Cable and his assault history) however Schlereth did go to two pro bowls and has three SuperBowl rings. I think he at least is credible when it comes to analyzing O-lines.

  25. You don’t release talented players only to replace them with retreads that most everyone else doesn’t want. That’s why you have guys inactive each week (like Moffitt was even a healthy scratch against SF). It’s not like you need all your players healthy all the time. Granted, it does get frustrating when some people are habitually hurt. Still, Rice was supposedly brittle before the season started and some people questioned his worth because he was “always” hurt. I see the same thing for Thurmond in the future.

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK – I for one have got my money’s worth in every game this year, and more!

    Win or lose this team is gonna go down fighting, imo.

  27. I didn’t say replace him for a “retread” that would be stupid. You gotta find the right guy to replace him, I am just saying that it’s time to start looking.

    If between now and the time they find the right guy he, gets to be on the field regularly then you are set and you don’t need to.

  28. thursday says:

    Georgia, to make it even more specific, we haven’t lost by more than 7 points this year. And I frankly think that with a few plays properly executed here and there, we could very well be undefeated. :o That’s what gives me great optimism going into the playoffs. We are pretty healthy and we’re firing on all cylinders. This isn’t a team that’s gonna lose again easily

  29. Rice is playing lights out! He rocks! I love how hard he plays and same for Tate. Those guys are doing what it takes to win.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I keep thinking back on that Rams game early in the year, and I can’t help but think what would have been without that trick play.
    Just think, we are 100-13 so far in games played this year at home against our NFC West rivals. Ouch!!!

    Let’s make it 150-13!!

  31. Thursday’s right. Just wait to see what next year brings now that RW is “seasoned”, the OL is clicking…the D rocks and special teams has always rocked! We are going to be a force to be reckoned with!!!

    (Ok, I’m just really excited…I haven’t felt this way about our guys in a long, long time…please excuse my exuberance!)


  32. GeorgiaHawk says:

    thursday- I agree! This could be a team of extraordanary magnitude.

    OK, so I have a jump on happy hour. Lol.

  33. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    I’m so sick of Thurmond being injured. So besides WR, and OLB, I see us drafting another CB too. I’m not saying that Thurmond should automatically be released, but if he can’t stay 100% healthy during preseason he needs to go.

    Anyway, I’m really hoping that the Cowboys beat the Redskins Sunday. I know that a SF loss makes that game moot, but let’s be realistic: odds are overwhelmingly that the 49rs win and we’ll face the NFC East winner. That being said, RGIII scares me. I’d rather face Romo in the playoffs than RGIII, because we’ve always had a problem with elusive runners–such as RGIII. Granted, the Redskins defense isn’t very good, so we could probably outscore them in a shootout. Still, I think we’d have an easier time against the Cowboys.

  34. montanamike2 says:

    It will be exciting to see RW beat Peyton Mannings rookie TD record.
    He could also be the first rookie to go undefeated at home.
    Beastmode is like 10 yards shy of the 1,500 mark.
    I’m worried about Tru covering Danny Amendola in the slot.

  35. RDPoulsbo says:

    I really like Thurmond. Still, my patience is wearing thin. It’s like he’s the CB version of DJ Hackett only I think Hackett had a better health record as sad as out sounds. It’s probably time to cut ties and hip with Lane.

  36. raymaines says:

    On any given Sunday, blah, blah, blah…. I’m wishing for the best but SF isn’t going to loose to AZ. Have I mentioned recently how much I regret Seattle’s loss to Miami?

    I totally believe Seattle can and will beat the stuffing out of either Washington or Dallas. I’d rather watch a face off between RG3 and RW1 than one more lame struggle with the Cowpies.

  37. I just don’t see getting rid of a talent like Thurmond to keep someone who may not have a job somewhere else. It’s like they are going to say we have to choose between Thurmand and Sherman. They are choosing between Thurmond and guys we not be keeping or who might not get picked up by anyone else.

  38. raymaines says:

    … and then beat Atlanta, and go to GB for the Conference championship. Embarrassing GB on their own “frozen tundra” would be so sweet.

  39. montana , good point I forgot about that. I really hope he does ,who would of ever thought we would have a rookie QB even close to Mannings rookie year? If he breaks it I think he does so with fewer interceptions

  40. MattandCindy says:

    I remember a certain lawyer saying Sherman had a 5-10% chance of winning his appeal. Thats super crazy awesome, because now I know who not to pick as representation.

    BTW…j/k. Don’t get your sisters panties in a wad.

  41. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Allthough I’m all in favor for having all our playoff games at home , it would be nice to win the SuperBowl by kicking A$$ on the road!

  42. If ever there was a “trap game” this one certainly is it. We’re playing at home. We just came off a huge emotional win. We’re playing against a team that already beat us, yet one that is out of the playoffs. It’s a huge longshot for us to improve our playoff position. The list just goes on and on. So easy to overlook this one, expecially with a really young team that for the most part has never been in this spot before.

    This game more than any other this year, will tell us how how far this team has come since September. It’s a game we should win. It’s a game that mature, talented teams win. It’s a game that the best teams always win. Be scared. Be worried. Be very, very cautious. There’s a helluva lot more riding on this game than what is on the surface.

  43. MattandCindy says:

    Mannings rookie year: 26tds 29ints
    Wilson to this point: 25tds 10ints

    And he’s the second coming of jesus…not Tebow

  44. thursday says:

    Cerjam, not only will he do it with less interceptions, but less attempts. something like 500+ to 300+

    how many games have been trap games now? lol

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Manning was so great in College that he lead Tenessee to a national championship. But Wait! Tenessee actually won the national championship the year after Manning left.

    Oh, and how many national championships did Luck win at Stanford? But Wait! None.
    And how many national championships did Harbaugh win at Stanford? And how many national championships did Carroll win at USC? So how does Harbaugh by some here is the better Coach?
    Harbaugh inherited a very talented team and only had to tweek it. Carroll built a team from the ground up!

    I will take Mr. Happy over Mr. Crappy any day of the week.

  46. Dukeshire says:

    GeorgiaHawk – Matt Millen is a 2 time all-pro selection and a 4 time Super Bowl victor; how would you rate his ability to judge talent or otherwise recognize capable play? (His record as a GM answers that question quite well) My point is that playing at a high level has little to do with recognizing high level play.

    Also, what does Cable’s personal behavior have to do with Schlereth being a blow hard? In any case this is hardly worth getting into a twist over so I’ve probably said too much.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    Agreed Bobby. Thurmond is very talented and at corner that’s hard to find. I’d like to see how he plays next summer in camp before we kick him to the curb: a full year off the broken leg and 2 off the knee injury. I’d like to see him enter camp healthy for once before I endorse breaking off talent like he has.

  48. chuck_easton says:


    I was being generous with my 5 to 10 %.

    Sherman is only the second player ever to beat a PED suspension. But I’m glad he did! :)

  49. raymaines says:

    “Jim Harbaugh Style” (2012)

    Copy and paste this address if you have too. It’s a very funny 2.5 minutes.

  50. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – You mean in the NFL, correct? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t the tester in Sherman’s case had 5 previous positive results thrown out?

  51. chuck_easton says:

    In the NFL. The five previous tests weren’t necessarily for NFL players and didn’t get as far as a suspension.

    In the time that the NFL has been testing for PEDs that include ADHD meds only one other person has had the suspension overturned. This includes players who have a prescription for the meds and didn’t register with the league for a therapeutic exemption. In those cases the suspension has been upheld.

    Sherman is only the second NFL player who has appealed a PED suspension and won.

    Long odds but I’m happy something finally went in favour of the Seahawks. We always seem to be the team that gets the short end of every league decision.

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire – I’m going to let this one slide, only because I am far into happy hour,( OK I won’t let this one slide, lol.) Schlereth played at a high level on the O-line in his career of playing in the NFL. Therefore he has more cloute imo when it comes to analizing O-lines. I don’t know why you put Matt Millen into this however Holmgren was also an unsuccessful GM, but does that means he sucks at evaluating QBs?
    I am also curious as to what your explanation now regarding Moffitt as being our best interior O-lineman is?

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Good to see Chuck come out of the frozen tundra. Mork and Mindy knows how to get you out. Lol.

  54. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – I brought Millen up because he too played in the NFL at a very high level. Yet his stint as a talent evaluator shows, quite clearly, that playing the game and understanding the game are not the same thing. That is, if Millen started talking about how well Seattle’s LBs were playing, would you put an ounce of stock into it after he proved, unequivocally, he knows nothing about evaluating talent? I would hope not. Same for Schlereth only he’s so ridiculous, not even the Ford family is dumb enough to hire him. Also, have you ever actually listen to what Schelereth says? He speaks in generalities and hyperbole only.

    As for Moffitt, I’ve hit on that multiple time over the course of the past three weeks and if you didn’t care to read it then, it’s still there for you now.

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Oh, I forgot your Holmgren non-sense: your premise is that if one played in the NFL at a certain level then they ought to be able to evaluate talent accordingly. Well, Holmgren never played in the NFL. Millen did. You’re argument is a non sequitur.

  56. JazBadAzz says:

    I just just heard from tweeter that Thurmond is done for the year…that sucks!

  57. JazBadAzz says:

    WaltThurm3: Thx2everyone who has supported me thru thick&thin. It’s greatly appreciated.Seems my journey has come 2 an end this yr.Until nxt yr #GETMORE

  58. That’s the direction Carroll sounded like he was going in today.

  59. Dukeshire says:

    Damn, that’s a shame. At least Lane and Maxwell have been playing some and Thurmond has seen the field hardly at all, so the hit isn’t too dramatic (or unexpected…).

  60. JazBadAzz says:

    I thought the same thing papuwal, I believe Sherman winning the appeal was the tipping point!
    I think he was always meant to be Tru replacement, and since he has been often injured Tru has been kinda healthy and has extended his career thru this season. Tru can get his SB ring this year, and WTIII will get his next! Go Hawks!

  61. I wonder if Ron Parker gets brought back now?

  62. I kinda wondered to myself if T3 just wouldn’t be shut down for the season. Instead of fighting through a nagging hammy week after week, is better to just shelf him at this point. All hands on deck for the playoffs.

  63. DanielleMND says:

    Thurmond has shown he has skill, but he just can’t seem to stay on the field. He had injury problems in 2008 and 2009 in college, and 2011 and 2012 in the pros.

  64. montanamike2 says:

    I can’t say enough about Thurmonds health. I was actually stoked we got him draft day because i thought he would be the stud to replace an aging Trufant. I don’t know if he’ll ever be an NFL caliber player with all his significant injuries. One more offseason then he either steps up like Golden Tate or cut him loose. This year we picked up more DB’s than i ever remember, kudos to FO for keeping us deep. SF has an awesome team but no depth at all. It appears that it makes a huge difference in the long run. I’d like to pick up another DT, TE and WR as priorities this offseason. We aren’t like the Mariners in the sense that top tier players are actually willing to come here plus PC/JS can do wonders in the draft.

  65. Ewalters7354 says:

    Dammit Thurmond!Gosh man this is sickening.He only seems to be good for two games a year…I like the talent and all that, but this guy has Marcus Tubbs written all over him.Only good thing is this current team is dependent on him like they were with Tubbs.

  66. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Agree Ewalters7354-

    And I wouldn’t trade our cornerback situation for any other teams. We will be fine there regardless of having Thurmond or not.

    Good thing the back up corners got some experience the last few weeks too.

  67. Ewalters7354 says:
  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I thought this was a good read. And to think the Seahawks have not even reached their peak yet.

  69. sluggo42 says:

    the NFL is stupid physical, and to remain uninjured through a year is lucky. To get a few injuries is normal. WTIII has just caught a few tough ones.

    BUT, dude can flat out play. I expect him to be a starter next year, and to remain healthy with any luck. He has had some tough breaks, but he is due for a good stretch and I’m hoping next year it begins.

  70. thursday says:

    I remember reading somewhere that Rice bulked up a bit and whatnot in the last offseason in hopes of avoiding injury more this season. Seems to have worked in his case anyway. But Idk, with Sherman and Browner, I’m not too worried about the other two being able to play lol

  71. confucious says:

    You have to cut Thurmond. He has been injured most of his career, pro and college. I would take a hard look at carp next year too. If he comes back as a big jelly roll again I’d cut him too. JS knows his shi#. This team has progressed from an overhaul project to a detailing mission.

    Off topic, but I hope Giac’s injury doesn’t linger. He has been a rock and overachieved at RT. A mean and nasty keeper for sure.

  72. Georgia, that was a really good article and well written and the guy did his homework. Very cool to have someone outside of the fan-base give a detailed accounting of what the dynamic duo has done here in Seattle.

  73. That was a good article that Georgia posted about the Seahawks rebuild.

    Thee is one glaring mistake in that article though. He said the Seahawks hired GM John Schneider who then brought in Pete Carroll to be the Head Coach. We all know that’s not how it happened. Having the new HC select the GM he wanted to work with was actually the most unusual and interesting part of the rebuild story in Seattle.

  74. ruminator1 says:

    these comments about the poor judgment of former great players (schlereth; millen) reveal how lucky we are on this site to have our own expert on just about every football topic–first one to comment on most topics, final word on just about every topic, even in the chat forums. ad naseum. i tune in most days just to find out what this individual has to say, sort of getting the latest and greatest anaysis of every game situation, player talents (or lack of same), coaches decisions. why i tell ya folks, it is such a constant provision of great insight and unquestionable truths that i rarely even bother to comment any more. just think–pro bowl and HOF linemen don’t know anything, you just cannot trust what they say about anything involving line play or player assessments. luckily, we have a rreplacement on the constant ready. we should all thank the almighty for sending his son (nephew?) as football commentator for this blog.

  75. MattandCindy says:


    Dec. 28, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    I was being generous with my 5 to 10 %.
    Sherman is only the second player ever to beat a PED suspension. But I’m glad he did!

    Your awesome chuck. You can get me out of jail for D.C. anyday


    Dec. 28, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Good to see Chuck come out of the frozen tundra. Mork and Mindy knows how to get you out. Lol.

    Hilarious georgia. Thats what my mother in law calls me and her daughter.


    Ruminator…did you get a coal colored dildo in your stocking this year? Sure, sometimes people disagree. Sometimes they LOATHE another’s opinion. But I bet the “person” your talking about would have the balls to say the name of the person he’s insulting. Everyone’s an expert, but not everyone is right.

  76. ruminator1 says:

    has nothing to do with balls my friend. and i thought it all too obvious who i was talking about. it was the “expert” on here, the person who comments first and the most. it clearly is so that not everyone is right; i was objecting to the attitude that one person seems always to show–that he is right as well as expert. sometimes it is tiring to read.
    do wish i had got the coal colored dildo though.

  77. Just to add my two cents: Millen and Schlereth are idiots in general. Yeah, they both played in the NFL and were very good. Millen knew how to play the game. However, Millen couldnt even accurately judge offensive line talent, let alone talent at other positions. So yeah, anything they have to say is fairly suspect, in my humble opinion.

    Emmit Smith is a great guy, but not too bright and terrible on camera. And some guys who never even played football are great coaches–look at our own Rocky Seto.

    ruminator–whats your deal?!

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