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Morning links: Hawks due for a letdown?

Post by Eric Williams on Dec. 26, 2012 at 7:39 am with 39 Comments »
December 26, 2012 7:39 am
St. Louis Rams wide receiver Chris Givens (13) makes a reception against Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman (25) and Earl Thomas (29) during the first half of an NFL football game Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

With the Seattle Seahawks winning the last three games by an average margin of 40 points a contest and already in the playoffs, John McGrath of The News Tribune wonders if they might be looking past the St. Louis Rams on Sunday.

McGrath: The forecast is calling for a slight possibility of chaos and the stronger possibility of a letdown. Not that I’m eager to rain on anybody’s Road-to-the-Super-Bowl parade, but football is a game played by human beings. It will have been a week (a Christmas holiday week, at that) since the Seahawks drubbed San Francisco on national television.

Factor in the anticipated announcement, which could come as soon as today, that cornerback Richard Sherman – the defense’s best player and most animated yell leader – must begin a four-game suspension against the Rams, and a letdown of some degree appears inevitable.”

In my story today, Russell Wilson is making his case for offensive rookie of the year.

Dave Boling of The News Tribune writes that cornerback Richard Sherman is having one of the best seasons ever in franchise history by a cornerback, but wonders if he’ll be available on Sunday. Boling: “In light of Sherman’s argument, it’s clear he’s banking on a breech of protocol rather than a convincing protest of his innocence, which is like a criminal hoping to avoid jail on the Miranda exclusionary rule. And whether or not his specimen was tainted, some aspects of his remarkable season have been – which is a shame because it is certainly among the very best ever by a Seahawks cornerback.”

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times writes that the Hawks’ offense has taken off since the Chicago game.

Steve Kelley of The Seattle Times talks with former UW quarterback Sonny Sixkiller, who feels a kinship to Russell Wilson. Both had to deal with question about their height.

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee reports that the Seahawks worked out defensive end Ray Edwards, who washed out with Minnesota this year. Mike Florio of suggests Edwards could sign with the team today.

Pat Kirwan writing for CBS Sports, delves into the philosophy of Pete Carroll and why it has worked in Seattle. Kirwan worked with Carroll previously and the two remain close friends.

Pro Bowl rosters will be announced today on the NFL Network at 4 p.m. Pacific Time.

The latest Real Robinson Report is dedicated to Messin’ with Marshawn. Check out the video below.

Morning links
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  1. Ewalters7354 says:

    This league has lost all class.If Sherm is telling the truth and the league just wipes it under the rug and suspends him any way,what a shame.I know I hate Harbaugh, but I hate Goddell twofold.

  2. The Seahawks need to keep the momentum going. They need to stomp on the Rams and then stomp on the Redskins or Cowboys. I hope Pete makes them believe that they have an opportunity to win it all this year, even if they’re playing on the road.

    Remember how we wished the ’86 Seahawks could get to the playoffs, because they were the hottest team at the end of the season (five straight wins)? Well, this year’s team is even hotter, so let’s see what they can do.

  3. seatowntp says:

    I believe that IF Sherms suspension is upheld he and the Seahawks will pull out all the stops (court injunctions) to fight it. The “next man up” mantra is great, but there are no other players like Sherm on this team and exceptionally few in this league. I doubt that the Hawks can make a legitimate run to the Bowl without him.

    Second, Pat Kirwan’s brief piece was spot on. Thank you for the link.

  4. Pro Bowl rosters announced today? Let’s see if six Seahawks can make it: Lynch, Okung, Unger, Thomas, Sherman and Clemons. Of course, Sherman wouldn’t be able to make the trip to Hawaii if he’s suspended.

  5. I hope Sherm gets out of this. Obviously i’m bias, but I just feel like he’s telling the truth and it’ll be a damn shame if the league disregards the fact an employee botched a urine sample. What’s worse, is he is putting up numbers that very few in history have put up.

    This is from

    Sherman has 7 interceptions, 3 forced fumbles, 2 touchdown returns, and a sack. Only two other players in NFL history have accomplished that, Ed Reed and Charles Woodson.

    That is impressive, and if he gets suspended for something that he is not guilty of, those numbers will not be praised and all people will talk about is that he cheated. It will be such a shame.

  6. montanamike2 says:

    Totally he could get robbed.

  7. Announcing the results of Shermans suspension on the day he’s selected to the Pro Bowl seems like something the NFL will do.

  8. montanamike2 says:

    I don’t see Pete taking his foot off the peddle. I hope we destroy the Rams even more than the 9’rs.

  9. Palerydr says:

    7 sacks and 14 QB hits over the last 3 games all blowout wins. IMO these numbers should all be double under the circumstances of the games. I’n really concerned about the pass rush and I believe the Hawks are as well which is why they are looking at a guy like Ray Edwards who doesn’t really fit the profile of players they want on the team.

    Sherman is trying to get himself off the hook on a technicality, not denying he took an unapproved performance enhancer. From where I’m sitting he isn’t getting robbed of anything he used a product he shouldn’t have and now faces the consequences of that decision. That’s the way I see things anyway.

  10. thursday says:

    I also feel like Sherman is innocent and it’s starting to rankle that everyone is just presuming him guilty. It’s not impossible that the sample, which was mishandled, was contaminated somewhere in the process. The NFL isn’t above the law and I don’t see how they can get away with bungling up a drug test and suspending the person anyway.

  11. PugetHawk says:

    I don’t think the Hawks will lose Sherman at all this year. I believe his lawyers will take legal action that hold this whole thing up even if his appeal is not overturned. Similar to Kevin and Pat Williams in Minnesota a couple years back. Their lawyers held up that case for three seasons. The nature of Shermans appeal seems to be wrapped in legal BS that could take a while to sort out.

    Anyone else see it that way?

  12. mindnbrad says:

    “…a letdown of some degree appears inevitable.”

    I don’t see logic behind this statement…

  13. That’s because McGrath is a doosh and likes to rain on every ones parade. Luckily, Pete has this team mentally and physically prepared for every opportunity, and doesn’t care what people say/write/think.

  14. Ewalters7354 says:

    Puget, good point.I definitely see it that way.Like someone said, the Nfl is not above the law and are far from perfect. The players feared Goodell for the most part unil Jonathan Vilma pulled his coat tail.It also seems that Sherm isn’t backing down.So keep on fighting Sherm!

  15. chrisj122 says:

    If the players are going to be held accountable for every substance in their body then the ones applying the test have to be held accountable just the same.

    If they use this sample knowing protocol was broken, all and all creditably for the NFL is gone. Why even have a set of procedures and protocols.

  16. “If they use this sample knowing protocol was broken, all and all creditably for the NFL is gone. Why even have a set of procedures and protocols. ”

    totally agree with that. same premise applies to our whole system of criminal law, there will be cases where what some people like to call ‘technicalities’ lead to guilty people avoiding punishment, but it’s those same technicalities that protect all of us in the bigger picture.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Something interesting that Sherman has said regarding his case is that the one who administered his test has had 6 previous positive results overturned due to contamination. I can’t say with certainty that his information is correct, but if it’s even half that number, the league needs some serious quality control oversight.

  18. PugetHawk says:

    I am eager to see how this whole thing plays out but I would be shocked if Sherman’s lawyers aren’t already done with the paperwork to file some injuction with the courts.

    That said, it seems likely that Browner and Sherman were both using Adderall. Its just to much of a coincidence that they both failed the same test the same day.
    I used to take the stuff about ten years ago when I was golfing competitively. It does give you laser sharp forcus and a ton of energy. I can definitely see it giving them both an advantage, but I think in the end, the mental edge it gave them may be the biggest loss. Supplements and stimulants can give athletes confidence that was not there previously and the more confidence they get, the more they rely on the substance. Whether or not it made a physical difference is a debatable topic that is difficult to measure.

  19. I saw that too Duke, and totally agree. I just can’t see how the league can brush that kind of information off. If it’s true, Sherman should win this thing and that employee should be fired, and they better make sure there is some sort of training process or monitoring process during these samples

  20. bbnate420 says:

    Puget, I totally agree with that. If his appeal is based on what’s reported, he has an extremely strong case.

    Dave, with all due respect, Sherman’s argument is not analogous to the Miranda exclusionary rule at all. Someone can get off due to the Miranda rule even if there is a mountain of evidence suggesting their guilt. BTW, I do think the Miranda rule is important. Sherman’s argument, if what has been reported is truly his argument, calls into question the very validity of the entirety of the evidence itself, not whether or not he was read his rights. The protocols for collecting samples are in place to try and prevent contamination causing false positives. If he didn’t follow the protocols, the sample is invalid. Plain and simple. Not a technicality! Saying this is a technicality would be analogous to someone claiming that they got an A on a test, and that it was just a technicality they they were failed on the test due to cheating.

  21. ChrisHolmes says:

    The problem I have with Sherman’s drug test case is that there has been no real reporting on it. All we’ve heard is Sherman’s defense – no corroborating evidence or testimony to support it. So that makes it impossible to form any kind of conclusion besides that which can be based upon emotion.

    There exist far too many unknowns at this point.

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I would like to hear Chucks take on this.

  23. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, we should all remember that we don’t know what was argued in that appeal for sure. I put a lot of stock into Schefter’s sources, his only journalistic value really IMO, but we don’t know 100% that what was reported actually happened.

    If they were taking Adderall, I bet it had more to do with helping them study than giving an edge on game day. I doubt it would make much of a difference with all the epinephrine and norepinephrine coursing through your system during a game. You are right that it could have a placebo effect, Puget.

  24. SandpointHawk says:

    Sherman said early in this saga that he had taken no PED’s.

  25. chuck_easton says:


    From a legal standpoint Sherman already lost his appeal, not on the facts or what was argued before the arbitrator but at the bargaining table. The CBA signed by the players took out the ability to challenge the collection process. A positive test is a positive test.

    We can debate Sherman’s guilt or innocence all we want, but Sherman’s chances of winning his appeal hovers around 5 to 10 % at best.

  26. “The CBA signed by the players took out the ability to challenge the collection process. A positive test is a positive test.”

    Is that right? Not doubting your veracity, but where did you see/hear that?

  27. A let down on a week when the division title is still in play and you are at home? I don’t think so. St. Louis is an improving team with a very good coach, they may play well and tough…but the Seahawks have less than no excuse for let-down. That would be a serious coaching and attitude problem , that bodes ill for the playoffs, if there was any kind of let-down with the division still in play.

    I dint see that from this team.

  28. “Dint” is Scottish for “don’t”

  29. The players a doomed themselves by not putting wording in to challenge Godell’s god-ship in these matters. I understand they don’t want to look like they are saying taking drugs is ok, but at the same time the league has to act on the up and up. which they do not always do.

    I see a few more Vilma type lawsuits coming against the NFL. and the next time the CBA is up I think we will be looking at a LONG torturous battle that may cancel a whole season

  30. I am biased and if the facts are as Sherman has, in a very limited way, implied they are, then there should be no suspension. But we don’t really know the facts, or all of them, so we have to hedge our opinions realistically.

    But beyond that, the Seahawks coaching staff and management need to have a serious talk with the players about the importance of intelligence (player intelligence) when it comes to being a championship team. Because what Sherman and Browner got caught up in here late in the season was due to stupidity (maybe not a strong enough word for it) on THEIR part. Teams of stupid players and coaching staffs lacking diligence on these very connected matters don’t win championships…because they hamstring themselves. This was a wake up call for the brass…make sure your players are well educated.

  31. There is still an outside chance of the NFCW title, so now is not the time to back off. And I think Pete knows how important it is to maintain momentum going into the post season. Besides, I want to see Wilson throw 2 more TDs and pass up Payton for the rookie TD record. Stomping the Rams and getting the record for RW would be a nice cap to a great season for this team.

  32. Chuck – I thought Sherm did a very shrewd thing after the game Sunday night. When he was interviewed on national TV, he commented that the collection was tainted by the leak and said that if the NFL finds him guilty, they are effectively saying they don’t care if a drug test is mishandled. Sherm was throwing this issue onto the court of public opinion and creating a possible public relations fiasco for the NFL. I thought that was an interesting thing he did. Either he is no dummy to the power of the press, or his lawyer coached him up a bit. It will be even more interesting if he is voted to the pro-bowl. What will the NFL do then?

  33. thursday says:

    Sherman also made sure to tweet and @ the NFL with the same info and asking whether this is a “just league”. Regardless of why, I’m sure most people can put themselves in his shoes on what they’d do if their employer bungled a drug test and then proceeded to suspend them without pay anyway.

  34. NYHawkFan says:

    Pilot – I saw that interview and was surprised by his outspokenness because I thought there was some sort of gag order on players and coaches. Maybe the restriction expired after Sherman presented his case.

    I don’t think the Hawks will need any outside motivation to get up for their game(s) in the foreseeable future. They’ve beaten enough quality teams this season to know how good they can be. All they have to do is trust in their ability, remained focused, and do their job. I sense another 50 point game coming this Sunday!

  35. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Chuck. I hope for the best but expect the worse on this one.

    Bevell isn’t looking so bad now afterall, is he? And I was one to criticise him, at least before the Bears game.

  36. Sherman was nailed for his drug test about the same time his buddy BB was nailed, and a few weeks after Winston Guy was nailed. Seriously, what’s the odds that Sherman’s drug test was bungled?

    I think Sherman and BB got together and decided it would hurt the team too much if they were both suspended at the same time. They decided one should bit the bullet first, and the other should try to delay suspension until his team mate was back on the field. Just my take, but it seems likely.

  37. Georgia, Thanks for the link. You weren’t alone in criticizing Bevel, but I think everyone jumped the gun in criticizing this offense early in the season.

    I think Bevell’s opportunity to use a larger playbook and “look good” as an OC was predicated on letting Tom Cable build the offensive line and running game first. That took awhile, and is still in progress, but as of the Chicago game, our O line started dominating the LOS consistently, the running game became truly unstoppable, and that allowed Wilson’s play action game to thrive and start taking advantage of defenses.

    That foundation, along with Wilson’s maturation, now allows Bevell to do his thing with the offense. And, yeah, I like what I’m seeing too. And I like the article you linked. Russell Wilson is becoming the QB that Bevell once hoped TJack could become.

  38. Stevos, I considered that angle too but the ultimate problem is that we just don’t know the truth of the matter and seriously doubt we ever will.

    Vegas, the coaching staff does preach to the players to take care of their bodies and be cognizant of everything they put into it. I think either Eric or Dave wrote an article about the strength coach earlier in the season and how he has made it a point to be aware of everything each player does in order to operate at this athletic level.

  39. Here’s a lighter take… Maybe RS, BB, WG and others have to take adderall to keep up with Pete. Having taken adderall myself, it seemed to me (watching Pete) that Pete might be using it a bit to keep his own ADD in check. It would be interesting to see what would happen if everyone associated with the NFL had to pee in cup. To repeat, this is just a semi-joke.

    Sorry, McGrath. There will be no let down. This team reminds me of the Montana-led 49’ers. Every win builds the legend.

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