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Morning links: Players oppose eliminating kickoffs

Post by Eric Williams on Dec. 8, 2012 at 8:07 am with 65 Comments »
December 8, 2012 9:03 am
Seattle Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson (26) in the first half of an NFL football game against the Detroit Lions Sunday, Oct. 28, 2012, in Detroit. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

Our own Dave Boling of The News Tribune provides reaction from Seattle players on the suggestion from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell that the league is considering the elimination of kickoffs in the name of player safety – and they don’t like it.

Seattle fullback and special teams captain Michael Robinson points out the obviously irony when it comes to player safety in the NFL – the league does not require players to wear mouth pieces, but claims to be doing its best to prevent head injuries.

“I understand it’s about safety,” Robinson said. “I don’t think that turning a contact sport into a non-contact sport is the answer. It’s a contact sport, that’s what I signed up for.

“I don’t think it’s good for the game,” Robinson added. “I think it’s a little bit of a PR stunt to show our commissioner’s concern for the players. But this is strictly my opinion.”

Seahawks kick returner Leon Washington echoes Robinson’s sentiment.

“Obviously, I don’t like it,” said Washington, whose eight career kickoff returns for touchdowns is tied for the best in NFL history with Cleveland’s Josh Cribbs. “I understand the NFL’s side of it, and what they’re trying to accomplish. With the lawsuits and head injuries, they’re trying to cut down that part of the game – that’s the premise behind it.”

Clare Farnsworth of says linebacker Bobby Wagner should be part of the conversation for defensive rookie of the year.

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks have proven they can beat the best. Now Seattle has to do something it has struggled to accomplish – take care of the teams the Seahawks are supposed to beat.

Jim Moore of 710 ESPN Seattle says the Seahawks-Cardinals game will be closer than people expect. More predicts a 17-9 Seattle victory, and he’s 10-2 against the spread in Seahawks games this season.

Brady Henderson of 710 ESPN Seattle relays a conversation that Bob Stelton and Dave Grosby had with Seahawks offensive line coach Tom Cable, who says that left tackle Russell Okung is playing at a high level.

All three analysts on NFL Network like the Seahawks on Sunday. Golden Tate gets some love. Check out the video here.

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports also picks the Seahawks in the video below.

Morning links
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  1. Chawksrule says:

    Eliminating kickoffs is rediculous. If safety is their primary concern then why does the NFL want 18 regular season games? Hipocrites!

    A boxer knows boxing its dangerous the second he steps into a ring. A football player knows its dangerous the second he steps onto the field. So quit legislating the game out of football.

    Go Hawks!!!

  2. DFloydd says:

    WTF is wrong with Roger Goodell? I mean geeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz. Enough already….What is this Powder Puff Football now? Player safety? Since moving the kick-off line you can barely get a few returns per game. It’s beyond silly at this point. If you want the players to be “safe” then just eliminate football altogether.

  3. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with Robinson about this eliminating the kickoff talk as being a little bit of a PR stunt.

  4. DFloydd says:

    My point of player safety is that it isn’t on an even level. YOu can’t get within 3 feet of Tom Brady or Payton Manning without a roughing the passer flag but then Russell Wilson slides, gets hit and no flag? That my friends is what I call the Michael Jordan rule. Protect the most famous/popular players of the game and have all the calls go their way and everyone else doesn’t matter. When I did watch the NBA it drove me nuts that just because Jordan went in for a lay-up it was almost an a utomatic foul by anyone near him but Gary Payton gets knocked around and nothing is called. Same goes for the big names in the NFL. IT is frustrating.

  5. Jusjamn says:

    Goodell likely has his lawyers in his ear.

  6. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Why am I feeling this strong urge right now to make a song paropy about the NFL out of- “In the year 2525″ ?

  7. Jusjamn says:

    Georgia – if they move the SF game to Sunday night like they’re considering, how about a parody on that song “oh what a night, late December back in 63″?

  8. confucious says:

    DFloydd. I always try to check my perspective in those instances because I think my seahawks bias is acting up again. But wholly sh=t! I know EXACTLY what you are saying. After Carey tried to get the bears another step towards home field advantage in the playoffs last week, and the superbowl xl debacle. I’ve decided that there is a script of the season somewhere in Goodell’s desk.

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:


  10. DreadHawks says:

    With all these former players coming back and suing the league what is Goodell supposed to do???? I think he should have players sign waivers if they want to play in the NFL. It’s no different than smokers coming back and suing the tobacco companies.

  11. thursday says:

    the links for the wagner story and the seattle times story are the same. i.e. both lead to

  12. If they eliminate kickoffs, I’m done watching NFL. They’re turning this game into a sissified made for TV soap opera.

  13. sluggo42 says:

    It’s like Obama is the commish with all these regulations!

  14. confucious says:

    In reality it doesn’t matter how the NFL changes the game or for what reason. We will all still watch. More fans will come and they will watch too. Do you know why? TV crack. Yes I let the cat outta the bag. TV crack. The NFL owners have figured out a way to pipe Pied piper like signals through digital and radio means. We are all addicted. We are like smokers in the fiftys puffin away on this hidden death. You question the science? How do you think they kept Al Davis alive that long? Ask his head. The jar is in the basement of the hall of fame. No. You don’t believe me now. No one does. But in another 10 years when your favorite linebacker is wearin’ a pink tutu. Don’t come cryin’ to me.

  15. Skavage says:

    This game makes me nervous. It might just be the biggest game of the season. Think about this…

    We lost to the Cards on opening day. We KNOW their defense is going to come after RW with multiple, confusing blitz packages. It’s likely we’ll have a bit of a revolving door at left guard. Considering Dockett’s spitting incident and that he’ll apparently be used on a limited basis, you HAVE to think that when he does get in, he’s going to be pissed. Pissed at his team. Pissed at the situation. Pissed off period. That makes him very dangerous.

    Then you toss Fitz into the mix with a QB, that while he may be very average, has a lot of game experience…winning game experience. Remember this kid was named the starter on opening day and led them to multiple victories the 2nd half of last season, including one where Fitz basically took over the game.

    Yeah this game is not going to be easy. We’re going to need a couple of really explosive plays early on to get the crowd totally jacked up. Maybe a pick or a great return or a long run or a long TD pass/catch…something to get the crowd “playoff game loud”. Get the crowd loud and keep em loud. Then ride Lynch’s shoulders and some good play action to finish things out in the 2nd half.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Aren’t they already starting to wear pink confucious.

    I totally agree with Farwell on this-

    “That’s what’s funny,” veteran linebacker and special teams standout Heath Farwell said. “At the start of the season, I kept telling people, ‘The two most important people are the quarterback of the offense and the quarterback of the defense, and both are rookies and they never started a game in the NFL.’

    “So the way I looked it was, ‘How are they going to be in 16 weeks?’ Now that we’re getting close to that, each of them has just gotten better each week.”

  17. confucious says:

    I agree Skavage, There isn’t a gimme game in the league. Especially as a Seahawks fan. There is always the fifth element….Refs.

  18. confucious says:

    Guess you are right Georgia….See!

  19. montanamike2 says:

    DFloydd cracked me up too because he’s so right about “sneezing towards Jordan”. I hate Carey, it seemed like last week we had to win about 2 1/2 times just to win, how many times are they going to take TD’s away from us and then hand the opposing team the football in the red zone!

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    We do have the weather on our side, and the 12th man.

  21. montanamike2 says:

    Yeah Fitz will be like Brandon Marshall. He’s only one player but he’s amazing and can win a game single handedly. I think that’s why we’re staggering the CB tandem with the suspensions. Shermans and Thurmond should do fine if the 12th man really brings it!

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I re-watched the game against the Bears just to see if it was me who was a little biased against the Refs, but the calls were just as bad if not worse the second time around.
    The one that really ticked me off was when the Bears player blatantly pulled our player down, ( forget the name ) and our player got the flag.
    That reminded me when Hasselbeck got the flag for going through a player to make a tackle on the guy that picked off his pass.

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “in the SuperBowl”

  24. If the NFL was really concerned with Head-injuries they would require mouth-pices for every player. Pls whatever happened to Helmet to prevent head injuries(wasn`t it being used in Minnesota?). No kick-offs,Godell is pushing the PR Stunt too,far. Next he`ll have them merge with Lonergrie League (no offense to the Women)..or Flag Football League.. Enough of that! Arizona scares me because of thier Defense,Fiztsgerald,Dockett is going to so pissed he`ll look at the Hawks as raw meat great to eat….Please hawks don`t play down to Arizona`s Offense level…elimante the 3 and outs….Go Hawks!!!!

  25. I’m pretty comfortable going into this game, here’s my key points as to why:

    RW’s stat line in week 1 @ARI:

    18/34 153 1/1, plus a lost fumble.

    That’s enough to lose you a football game, singlehandedly, from the quarterback position. Let’s chalk that up to rookie’s first start.

    Stat line vs DAL:

    15/20 151 yds, TD, no turnovers.

    This looks more like a runningbacks stats. Let’s chalk this up to a rookies third start, and being shackled by the staff. The game was better than @ARI, but was still a soft passing performance.

    Let’s fast forward to @MIA.

    21/27 224 2/0

    Wow, the rookie traveled to MIA, the furthest any NFL team ever has to travel, starts at a 1PM EST game (10 AM PST… not that I need to tell you guys :P), and plays out of his mind. This is the game where I said, you know what, regardless of the loss, maybe it’s time for me to ease up on the kid. I even defended his lame pass that lost yardage near the end of the game – he’s learning.

    Week after @CHI.

    23/37 293 2 TD’s.

    I left the interceptions out of there for one reason – WOW WOW WOW. The team that forces the most turnovers in the NFL, and this dude didn’t hand it over once. Yeah, he threw 14 incompletions – big deal. Would I have loved for them to have been completed passes? Yeah. Am I happy they were incompletes instead of interceptions or more than 2 sacks? Goddamn right. Not to mention, while most defenses have a “spy”, the bears credit their entire defensive line as their spy, and my man RW rushed for 71 yards on 9 scrambles against these idiots.

    The third down efficiency was still pretty bad (8/15), but, the defense held them to 6/12.

    25 Total first downs, THIRTEEN OF WHICH WERE BY PASSING. By the midget rookie, who I doubted.

    John Skelton in the clink against a stoked seahawks team and the twelfth man and a quarterback who can actually impress now? Dockett on the fritz?

    Get back to Arizona losers.

  26. Now only if guys like ACIB could understand you shouldn’t make a judgement against a Rookie QB after the first few weeks of his career, especially if the Rookie had few training camp raps and even less with the top 3 WRs and top 2 TEs.

    And even more so, guys like him should understand you don’t make a judgement on any QB’s performance with a different team, in a different offensive philosophy, with an offense they have been in for many years and try to extrapolate that over to completely different circumstances.

    Tomorrow is a game Seattle should win easily. The circumstances are completely different than the opening week.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    What are you trying to do RADEoN and Pabs, Jinx the Game? Lol.

    From Sando-

    “Arizona picked off Matt Ryan five times in Atlanta. The Cardinals held Tom Brady and the Patriots to 18 points. And while Aaron Rodgers tossed four scoring passes against Arizona, he failed to complete even half his passes.”

    Arizona also has 18 ints, second to the Bears. This young team can’t take Arizona for granted.

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I don’t think ACIB is a troll. Trolls don’t care if they are right or wrong, they just keep trolling.
    I think ACIB is someone else around here that doesn’t want to get the backlash from their extreme views so they just create another username that they can conveniently drop when it is finally clear that they are wrong.
    Easy way out so to speak.

    I have a feeling that ACIB will be back with a new target.

  29. confucious says:

    I think ACIB has made some valid points in some of his past posts. His thoughts have made for some interesting conversation. I think his only blog downfall is his need to name call and make personal attacks on both bloggers and players. Juvenile and volatile with purpose. Good football mind, terrible delivery.

  30. trashpile says:

    I can’t wait for tomorrow! First game of the season I get to go to. Go Hawks!

    First game since weed became legal. I wonder what the tailgate parties will be like? Let’s hope the 12th man doesn’t get too mellow before the game!

  31. Maybe we can eliminate tackling in the NFL? For example, maybe they can connect eveyone to sensors and when you get within a couple of inches of a player then you would automatically beep without being touched and the ball would be spotted there. If you accidentally ever touch someone, you get kicked out of the league forever. This should prevent player injuries, no?

  32. SandpointHawk says:

    Random thoughts as I read the blog…feel free to scroll right by this post….

    Since ACIB only posts after losses, we won’t see him again until next year…

    To take Bobby’s idea one step further. The NFL can program Madden for 11 players on a side, 22 controllers and televise that in real time…

    What would history be like if the gladiators could sue the Caesar’s?

    I better stop now…

  33. confucious says:

    Just a thought. The NFL should drop Fox if Fox continues to ransom their services. Honestly I only watch Fox for the seahawks game as the rest of their programming is garbage reality based crap. (strictly imo) Nfl network should take foxs share of programming now.

  34. trashpile says:

    That’s not going far enough, BobbyK. Players pull hammys and blow out knees without even getting touched. They need to replace humans with robots.

  35. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Liability perhaps?

  36. pabuwal says:

    What do you want the NFL to do? Babysit the players 24×7?

  37. montanamike2 says:

    Would ankle bracelets work?

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Personally I think alot of these players lives are extended by playing in the NFL.
    If it weren’t for the NFL what would alot of them be doing? I would guess some of them would be dead on the streets before they reach 30.
    So I don’t know how good of an argument there is to saying the NFL shortens their life expectancy or cripples them up anymore then if they didn’t play the game.

  39. Jusjamn says:

    Skeleton won’t have Kolb to bail him out this time around. Seahawks win big if they focus.

  40. Russel Okung is playing at an NFL level. Giac is playing at an NFL level, as is Unger: the rest are playing at scrub level.

    And Cable?! Sheesh, how many top-3 picks does one need to field an average NFL line?! Obviously, more than he has…

  41. princeaden says:

    who is going to replace Braylon Edwards in the 3 wideout sets ?

  42. princeaden says:

    Sorry, make that 4 wideouts ?

  43. DanielleMND says:

    Does it matter who replaces Edwards? He had so little production when he was on the field. Either Kearse or Martin can give us as much as Edwards did, if not more.

  44. DanielleMND says:

    This game worries me. Larry Fitzgerald is even more dangerous than Brandon Marshall, and we’re down a Pro Bowl corner this week.

  45. princeaden says:

    Well it kind of matters to me. I’m hoping it’s Kearse, I think with some game experience he can replace Edwards nicely.

  46. Jusjamn says:

    Wilson has really found his way around the pocket the last 3 or 4 games. Probably since he has learned his lineman’s tendencies. This is buying him much better looks down field. The first few games (and picks) he looked like he was running for his life and just chucking a few of them. He’s really settled down now and is making some nice shifts in the pocket a-la Rapistburger. Opening the middle of the field is giving him the run or wide-open pass as we saw in Chicago.

    Now if they can get up for a weaker opponent, I don’t know if I’ll recognize them Seahawks!

  47. The Seahawks do get up for weaker opponents at home. They had double-digit victories over the Vikings and the Jets and will do the same against the Cardinals. Just hope they can beat the Bills next week too.

  48. bbnate420 says:

    Sluggo, can you give it a rest with the Obama crap? There are plenty of blogs out there to express your right wing BS on. This isn’t one of them. You’re veering in ACID territory.

    I wouldn’t really have a problem with eliminating kickoffs if they replaced it with 4th and 15 from your own 30. There are no other plays in football where 22 men get a 40+ yard running start to smash into one another. That’s the rationale, whether you agree or not. Like it or not, this game is changing and will continue to do so. You might want to find something else to watch soon if you can’t handle it. They’re not going back to the “good old days.” As more and more is learned about head injuries resulting from football, the more steps they will have to take to make the game safer. If moms start refusing to let their kids play football, the league will die out in a generation regardless.

    MikeRob is right that this is primarily about PR and legal liability, but the mouth piece argument is asinine and a total non sequitur. Mouth pieces protect your teeth and jaw, not your brain.

  49. montanamike2 says:

    I think there’s a valid point to getting up for a lesser opponent at Clink, if we played Miami at home i’m pretty confident we would have won overwhelmingly. AZ is a legit threat in many aspects but they have a lot of weaknesses we can exploit. Their o-line is worse than when we faced them and the 12th man will make life hard for them. Our Defense comes to life with the extra noise and i’d like Irvin and Clem to do what they did to Romo and Rodgers, also a healthy Jason Jones can only help. They seem to step up at home due to pride as well. Our team in the last few years hasn’t quite had that. And finally this isn’t the same Wilson or team that played eyes wide open in our first game on the road for the rookie in his first ever NFL game. The team has bonded too. I’m hoping for a blowout to send a message to our other division rivals but i’ll settle for a win.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:

    montanamike2- And there’s a good chance of rain today.

    It’s amazing to me that Irvin still leads all rookies with sacks the way he has played lately. I hope some home cooking in the next few weeks can help get him in the 10+ range.

  51. montanamike2 says:

    I’m with you on that. I wonder if the draft gurus still think that we draft like idiots in Seattle?

  52. montanamike2 says:

    GeorgiaHawk i’ll catch up with you in a while, i’m off to the place that goes unamed.

  53. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate – There have been studies that now show wrearing mouth pieces actually do reduce a players likelihood for concussion.

  54. sluggo42 says:

    Veering into acib territory. With ALL the Obama right wing crap? A little sensitive there bro? I wasn’t aware that I have posted 200 right wing slants. So, ease up mate, that might be the second one in months? Chill bro…

    But, point taken, lord knows I don’t want to veer into acib territory. And now that we know which side of the fence you stand on…

  55. sluggo42 says:

    I wouldn’t really have a problem with eliminating kickoffs if they replaced it with 4th and 15 from your own 30. There are no other plays in football where 22 men get a 40+ yard running start to smash into one another. That’s the rationale, whether you agree or not. Like it or not, this game is changing and will continue to do so. You might want to find something else to watch soon if you can’t handle it. They’re not going back to the “good old days.” As more and more is learned about head injuries resulting from football, the more steps they will have to take to make the game safer. If moms start refusing to let their kids play football, the league will die out in a generation regardless.

    MikeRob is right that this is primarily about PR and legal liability, but the mouth piece argument is asinine and a total non sequitur. Mouth pieces protect your teeth and jaw, not your brain.

    Seriously? Eliminate the knockoffs? And replace with a 4th and 15? For a punt? Is that what you mean? And then have the option to try to pick up the 15 for a first down, which would replace the onside kick? Perhaps the QBs really should wear dresses?

    I think using new technology like the brain bad helmets, perhaps they figure out some other ways like “smart” shoulder pads too.
    But football is football. It’s a rough game by design, and that’s what the crowd likes to watch, and it’s why the players make ridiculous bank to play it.

  56. confucious says:

    Listen, we are all exposed to dangerous elements throughout our lives. In my occupation on a daily basis. I don’t get paid a millifraction of what these players do. I know the risks associated and their effect on my well being. This world is way to hung up on regulating how people other than themselves conduct their lives. I say write a pamphlet with all the dangers of the game included. Make the players read and sign it. And continue down the road. If it isn’t worth it to them they won’t play. Let people make their own decisions on how they live their lives for gods sake.

  57. sluggo42 says:

    Amen to that Coonfucious!

  58. sluggo42 says:

    Confucious, sorry, iPad likes to change my spellings

  59. Dukeshire says:

    sluggo42 – He didn’t say “all” suggesting you post the Obama cracks often, he said to just stop. And frankly, he right. This isn’t the place for that.

  60. sluggo42 says:

    Well Duke, he said to give it a rest, that implies to me that I do it quite often. Which I don’t. But I know you as we’ll as him are both on the other side from your comment my first time and his the second time.

    It was a quick poke, but some can’t seem to take one drip of it. There are a heck of a lot worse things posted in here quite often, and if I was a regular offender in this vein, I would heed the call. But I don’t, so if I feel the need for a very rare joke , I will post it, just because I know it will annoy you two, especially now.

    Don’t be sore ” winners” you guys, a little joke here and there for me compared to losing e biggest game of the country shouldn’t be such a hard pill to swallow for you guys, after all, you won!

  61. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, I know there have been some studies suggesting that. I probably should’ve written that there is no conclusive evidence or that there is far from a scientific consensus. Then people making these claims have no provided nearly enough data IMO. Theoretically, it doesn’t seem that it would make a significant difference to me, but that doesn’t mean that is the case. Your mandible knocking into the base of your skull shouldn’t add that much in terms of G forces on your head. Most of these injuries are from the head being violently repositioned by a blow or rapid deceleration, not a blow to the skull causing direct damage. It’s the back and forth collisions of the brain on the inside of the skull that does the real damage, in the case of football anyways. The skull does a remarkable job of preventing direct brain trauma, especially when backed up by modern helmets. Helmets were developed to prevent skull fractures, not necessarily brain damage. Obviously the 2 are linked by not synonymous. You can receive massive brain damage without fracturing your skull.

  62. bbnate420 says:

    *The *not

  63. bbnate420 says:

    sluggo, I have no problem debating politics with conservatives, but this isn’t the place. It’s kind of like the Hawks playing the Tards at home! ;-) Just couldn’t help myself. The point is that it can devolve into something other than a football blog. At least wait until there is some connection. Like when the Hawks signed that kid to the 90 man roster that had a gun arrest. If you wanted to debate gun control on one of those threads I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Some here would. You have made at least a few of those type of comments before, and I haven’t responded until now. It seems like you’re fishing. I’m not going to report your comments or anything, but I may call that BS out when you do it. I like to debate politics and religion, but nothing will cause this blog to devolve into a shouting match that has nothing to do with football faster than debating those 2 things. There are plenty of places on the net for that. That’s my point. This is supposed to be about the Seahawks.

    P.S. If you want to sway me, you’ll have to do better than a report from some undergrads at McMaster University. A report that doesn’t provide any substantive evidence, nonetheless. “Even though the effectiveness of mouthguards in preventing concussions currently remains controversial Brain-Pad® shows promising results and may soon lead to a significant advancement in protection technology.” That proved what exactly? And look at the top of the page. Who’s blog is it? Oh yeah, the people trying to sell this product. Are you also going to send me a U.S. Army study about how Agent Orange is harmless to people?????

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