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Carpenter placed on reserve list

Post by Eric Williams on Dec. 4, 2012 at 4:14 pm with 55 Comments »
December 4, 2012 4:15 pm

The Seahawks announced that offensive lineman James carpenter has been placed on the reserve/non-football illness list for the remainder of the season.

Seattle head coach Pete Carroll told reporters on Monday that Carpenter re-injured his surgically repaired knee during last week’s Chicago game on the opening series. However, Carroll also indicated that he believed Carpenter did not suffer a major injury.

John Moffitt and rookie J.R. Sweezy are slated to compete for the left guard spot with Carpenter out, Carroll said on Monday.

The Seahawks added offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson from the practice squad to the active roster to bolster the depth on the offensive line.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Message to Carpenter- Lose some weight! This isn’t Abalama.

    Message to Moffitt- Sweezy will take your spot easy if you don’t get your act together.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    I can’t say this is a terrible surprise. Rightly or wrongly, it always felt to me as though they were rushing him back.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Your dislike of Moffitt is so peculiar. It really feels like you’re just decided to not like him regardless of his play. Come on man, actually watch him and then tell me he’s nearly as bad as you suggest.

  4. I have always been impressed with Jeanpierre when he has been given an opportunity. Maybe that is an option also.

  5. I never could figure out why a gigantic man like that came back so early either. And, yes, it did feel like he was extremely rushed back, especially when we was playing with what looked to be a limp on many plays in his early games back (and some continued).

  6. GeorgiaHawk says:

    To imply that I have not watched Moffitts play is peculiar to me. How much longer are you going to protect your like for Moffitt?

    I certainly don’t dislike him, however I won’t be swayed by the Hype.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It’s funny to me how the same folks that constantly make excuses for Carpenter and Moffitt are the same ones up until recently were giving Wilson no love. Go figure. Lol.

  8. Right on Rodman – I also like Lemuel Jeanpierre. He was part of the teams running success late last year, maybe he can do the same this year. I would much prefer to see him over Sweezy and maybe even Moffit.

  9. Looks like some of you were right about Carpenter coming back to soon from this injury.

    This is a bummer development, I had high hopes for an Okung/Carpenter left side of the line. Oh well, next year I suppose.

  10. RDPoulsbo says:

    Carpenter should never have been activated this season. If he tore it again, it’ll be ANOTHER year before he’ll be able to play. Just stupid. You can’t look at his play this year and call him a bust. He shouldn’t have been playing to begin with. Maybe now, they’ll learn to let the guy heal and maybe we’ll find out if he can actually play in the NFL one of these days.

  11. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’d like to see JP play more as well. Maybe with Moffit playing more center in the offseason will mean Lem can be more than Unger’s backup.

  12. IMO, Carp is PC’s worst draft pick.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    I’ve never once made any excuses for Moffitt. In addition, my feelings regarding Wilson have nothing to do with Moffitt. That statement is a non sequitur. 13 career starts, and he has outperformed every other interior lineman, during that time. Your criticism of him is unfounded, to be honest. No that he’s perfect. Far from it. But he’s played so much better than you are seemingly willing to admit, it’s odd.

  14. pabuwal says:

    But Carroll isn’t Moffitt’s biggest fan either. He’s always looking for a reason to put the “the other guy” in.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    True, but that’s beside to point.

  16. mocarob says:

    The Bears game will be on NFL Replay tonight. 630pm. (it will repeat)

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Keep drinking your Koolaid Dukeshire. I don’t care if Carpenter, Moffitt, Sweezy, or the ghost of Hutch is playing at left Guard. Your love fest for Moffitt is weird considering he has not done a whole lot to secure a starting position. Lol.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Who’s the best 3rd round Seahawk draft pick in the last two years? Moffitt of course! He is so good that he may beat out a converted 7th round D- lineman. Hyperbowl at it’s best. Lol.

  19. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia and Duke, you 2 obviously just see different things when you watch Moffitt. Duke sees a player that plays fairly well and outperforms our other options. Georgia does not. Why not leave it at that? I’m no expert on evaluating O-lineman, but I tend to lean more towards Duke’s take. I like Moffitt. He still leaves something to be desired in pass protection, but so does pretty much everyone else on the line with the exception of Okung at this time. I doubt he will ever be a pro bowl player, but he should be the good/very solid type of O-lineman that you need on your team. You’re not going to have 5 all-pros on the line.

    Let’s wait to see what the injury is before we proclaim playing Carp a definite mistake. Hindsight is 20/20. You can definitely say that waiting to play him would’ve been more conservative, but you can’t say that this injury wouldn’t have happened if he had waited longer to play. Nobody knows that. The doctors obviously cleared him to play. That said, I do wish they had given him longer to strengthen his knee and lose weight before putting him out there. Hopefully, he just tore some scar tissue and they decided to be conservative with him the rest of the rest. Especially since he still seemed to be limping around out there. He was okay when near the LOS, but he couldn’t move very well when he had to get out. I want him to come back next year about 15 pounds lighter and with that knee strengthened. Let him, Moffitt, and Sweezy fight it out for the 2 G spots.

  20. leighannrodney says:

    Sweezy is ready. Carpenter is slow anyway. Didn’t understand why he was playing before Sweezy. I figured they were saving Sweezy for this very thing.

  21. bbnate420 says:


    Georgia, what’s the hyperbowl? Are they renaming the super bowl? ;-)

  22. bbnate420 says:

    Putting him on the reserve/non-football illness lists means that if it was due to injury that it didn’t occur in a specific game. This is speculation but, it suggests to me that he didn’t re-tear his ACL and that he probably developed lingering issues with his knee from the impact on it. His knee probably just wasn’t ready for the pounding and carrying around 330 pounds. I still have high hopes for him in 2013.

  23. I am confused by the designation of reserve/non-football illness. I thought that this would be applied to problems such as food poisoning or injuries from a car accident. Is this designation used for players who have an injury that originated from football?

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    Carp hurt his knee in Sunday’s game, had an MRI on the knee yesterday, then they put him on the IR today. That’s more than just a little tweak or lingering issue for a team pushing for the playoffs since they realistically might need him after 4 weeks.

  25. montanamike2 says:

    bbnate420 i’m with you you on both Moffitt and Carp. I hope his injury isn’t going to keep him out next year, man’s a beast but a bit slow and overweight, hopefully it’s just a tweak. He needs a year with a healthy knee showing up to camp in shape next year. Moffitt looks to be improving, i wonder what he did to get on Pete’s shit list?

  26. montanamike2 says:

    RDPoulsbo i was just thinking it might be wise to pull him for the rest of the season is all, you may be right.

  27. bbnate420 says:

    RD, they DID NOT put him on the IR. The reserve/non-football illness list is a different list, so you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Here’s a quote from the above link, “Update: To clarify on the non-football illness classification, that doesn’t necessarily mean Carpenter is out for the season because of an illness, but rather if it is an injury, it wasn’t an injury specific to a single game.”

  28. RDPoulsbo says:

    OK, so they put him on the list that gives the team the option of not paying him the rest of the season. Not going to happen, but this designation does allow him to have use of the training facilities that the traditional IR wouldn’t. Regardless, he doesn’t have the chance of returning this year even though the Herald thinks otherwise. Note that he wasn’t put on the IR/Designated to Return list.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bbnate420-HyperBowl, funny. Lol. Anyways I didn’t say Moffitt was a bust, just that if he was the greatest thing since Hutch why is a healthy Carpenter starting over him? And why is a converted D-Lineman chumping at the bit to take his job?

    I really think Moffitt is funny on the Rob reports, however so was that WR that had track star speed too.

    I would like nothing better then to see Carpenter and Moffitt reach their potential and become consistent good performers on the O-line like OKung and Unger. i just haven’t seen it yet.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- I think just about everyone here new that Rice would be good if he wasn’t injured all the time, and that Tate would be good if he grew up.
    Hats off to them for overcoming their obstacles.

    And hats off to Wilson for helping them do it.

  31. montanamike2 says:

    I hope rice is ok.

  32. jawpeace says:

    Remember we only see players like Moffitt on Sundays. Pete and the coaches namely CABLE sees him all week in practice. If a player gets in a “dog house” it is more likely due to occurrences during the week. And my money would be he is more likely in Cable’s “dog house” not Pete’s. Which I don’t really think he is in a “dog house” just being out performed by other players.

  33. bbnate420 says:

    RD, I agree with that. I’m just saying that this doesn’t mean he has another major knee injury. Even if it was minor, I’m all for sitting him the rest of the season and letting him prepare for 2013 at this point. Especially since I don’t see him as a giant upgrade over Moffitt with the way he’s moving right now. I definitely think he has the higher upside. 8 months of time to condition his body and strengthen his knee before next training camp should be very beneficial.

  34. pope411 says:

    I like Moffit and want to get behind him but Pro Football Focus graded his play on Sunday as a -4.5. Not sure on the scale exactly, but that is pretty bad.

    “His two hits and one hurry surrendered came in a variety of ways as defensive tackle Henry Melton beat him with a speed rush, defensive end Israel Idonije got him with the bull rush and he was late in picking up a stunt from Shea McClellin. Moffitts’ bigger issues came in the running game as Melton was able to use his quickness to pick up three stops. It was not a good day for Moffitt who saw his first extended action since Week 10.”

  35. jawpeace says:

    Just read that the Hawks cut Braylon Edwards. I don’t know if that is old but just found out and have not seen anyone type that here.

  36. I wonder if Carpenter’s issue goes back to that strange concussion he suffered a month or so ago…

  37. jawpeace says:

    LOL just saw the previous article on BE on the Tribune site.

  38. Screensmoke says:

    So what’s the next roster move?

  39. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – Who said he was better than Hutch? Or even made that comparison? And dragging Wilson into the fray is retarded. Your sarcasm with that “3rd round” post devalues any objective analysis you may have.

    bbnate – I don’t see him as a pro bowl player either. But rather a solid interior lineman and the best one on the roster, currently. I believe he can develop into an anchor on the inside for this line without ever being a “Hutch” (as a ridiculous comparison was made earlier.)

  40. confucious says:

    Absolutely agree with you Duke. Watched nfl replay twice last night (as fox discontinued broadcast in my area) and I thought Moffit had a steady performance. Him and okung seem to do well together on the left side. I also saw Carp go ass over teakettle due to a peppers bull rush. Peppers made Carp look like a 370 pound rag doll. (If that’s possible.) He left the game right after that. Carp has been getting beat since he came back. Whether or not it’s a wieght/in shape thing or the knee, I think he has been a liability to the oline since his return.

  41. Dukeshire says:

    Here is a wonderful breakdown for Seattle’s read-option in OT, last Sunday. This is just awesome…

  42. IdahoHawk says:

    Seattle has beaten three teams with above .500 records. The Falcons,49ers,pack,texans and the patriots. Can not say that

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- Going into attack mode just because you like a player and someone doesn’t like his play makes you look silly imo. Now try and go into attack mode when I don’t have a few beers in me. Lol.

    “Your dislike of Moffitt is so peculiar. It really feels like you’re just decided to not like him regardless of his play. Come on man, actually watch him and then tell me he’s nearly as bad as you suggest”

    I don’t dislike or like Moffitt, Which I have stated many times, however I’m not going to sugar coat his play, especially from the Bears game.
    Did you see how Pro Football Focus graded his play on Sunday? Read the article Duke. I’m not the only one that see’s it.

    “Georgia- Who said he was better than Hutch?”

    I don’t know, I didn’t say he was or that anyone else did. I really don’t know where you got that one but my guess is you had a few last night too. Lol.

    I admit though that the Wilson analogy was kind of lame. It just gets very frustrating sometimes when one 3rd rounder, ( in year one) is fully open to criticism, ( which I believe is fair if not made up) and another 3rd rounder, (in his second year) who has not played close to the level of the other 3rd rounder get’s protected from criticism or gets a pass.
    Why do you think that is ?

  44. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not going to speak for others, which it seems you are asking me to do. As far as I’m concerned, I have criticized and praised both Wilson and Moffitt (even though I hammered Wilson *before* the season started). However, when I read unreasonable or inaccurate criticism, as you’ve done regarding Moffitt, I’ll respond to it.

    Oh, and I did read the PFF article (paragraph) on Moffitt, and don’t particularly agree with Palazzo’s analysis. I stand by what I said about Moffitt and absolutely disagree with your views regarding his play.

  45. Dukeshire says:

    And by the way, I’ve also responded to unreasonable and inaccurate praise, too, just to be clear.

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Really, you have criticized Moffitt? Really? Since when?

    I don’t have a problem with your disagreeing, but when you respond like a poster that mocked you awhile back it makes me wonder?

    I’m not asking you to speak for anyone else so why is it so difficult for you to not go postal when someone has an opinion that is different from yours?

    I said-

    “Message to Moffitt- Sweezy will take your spot easy if you don’t get your act together.”

    I don’t think that is unreasonable or inaccurate. Obviously someone else doesn’t think so either when Eric says on this thread that “Moffitt and rookie J.R. Sweezy are slated to compete for the left Guard spot.”

    Those aren’t my words, however I do agree with them.

    At this stage Moffitt is a second string Guard that is in a fight for a starting position with a third string Guard because the first string Guard is out.
    He couldn’t win back his RG position, he couldn’t win the LG position, and now due to injury he has another crack at it, however it’s not a given.

    I would like to change the facts and say Moffitt has taken charge of the Guard position on this team,( like unger has taken charge of the center position) however it simply is not true yet.
    Hopefully someone will because I’m getting tired of this revolving door at LG.

  47. Moffitt doesn’t suck like Chris Spencer or Rob Sims did (to the credit of Sims, he has developed into a player that doesn’t suck). He’s a guy that not great, but not too bad either, IMO. Kind of like other players on our team who aren’t great, but don’t suck. And he doesn’t make too much money so you can’t hate him for eating up so much of the salary cap.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    Your last paragraph in the post before your last one, you’re asking me to answer a question you are directing at a general audience. That’s asking me to speak for others. And postal? Give me a break…

  49. sluggo42 says:

    Geez, why don’t you two get a room!

  50. Duke look at who you are talking to and understand it won’t matter what you say.

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Typical shifting of focus when it’s clear your argument is not supported by facts, lol.

    BobbyK- Where did I say he sucked or hated him?

    And xcman, do you care to elaborate on your little dig? Weak.

    I’m tired of talking about a 2nd or 3rd string guard that some may have a man crush on when there are far more positive things to talk about on this blog like Wilson getting rookie of the week.

  52. Dukeshire says:

    Shifting of focus? You said something (another thing, actually) that is factually incorrect. I, again, corrected you. On second though, xcman is 100%, it doesn’t matter what I say; you’ll play this childish, passive aggressive, victim role you do when confronted. The last word is yours, as I’m not wasting my time with you, any longer.

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire is actually giving someone the last word? That’s a

    I agree, why waste time with me when you can find an easier target.

    The lesson for you here is you can’t always manipulate or strong arm someone into agreeing with your opinion about a player, especially when you are arguing mostly against the facts.

    Let it go next time. Lol.

  54. Georgia – I was giving my opinion of him.

  55. GeorgiaHawk says:

    My bad BobbyK- I was referring to the-
    “you can’t hate him for eating up so much of the salary cap.”

    I misunderstood the you part.

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