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Morning links: Reaction to Hawks 30-20 win

Post by Eric Williams on Nov. 5, 2012 at 7:36 am with 42 Comments »
November 5, 2012 7:36 am
Minnesota Vikings' A.J. Jefferson, left, and Fred Evans hit the turf as they chase Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson on a run in the second half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Nov. 4, 2012, in Seattle. The Seahawks won 30-20. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

Good Morning. I will host our Monday Morning QB live chat at noon today, so stop by at lunch to talk Seahawks if you have time.

But for now, we take a look around the web to check out the reaction to the Seahawks 30-20 win over the Minnesota Vikings.

The Seahawks sit alone in second place in the NFC West standings at 5-4. If the playoffs started today, Seattle would be the No. 6 seed in the playoffs, and would travel to No.3 San Francisco to take on the Niners in the first round of the NFC playoffs.

Here’s my game story. Seattle running back Marshawn Lynch finished with 124 yards on 26 carries, including a 3-yard touchdown that gave Seattle a 27-17 lead with 4 minutes, 9 seconds left in the third quarter. Lynch ran for more than 100 yards for the fifth time this season, and is 119 yards away from rushing for 1,000 yards for a second consecutive season.

John McGrath of The News Tribune writes that the Seahawks didn’t slow down Adrian Peterson as much as Minnesota offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave stopped giving him the ball. After rushing for 144 yards in the first half, Peterson had just five carries in the second half. McGrath: “Peterson averaged – repeat, averaged – 10.7 yards a carry, the second-highest yards-per-carry average of his 82-game NFL career. It would not be an overstatement to call Sunday a “career day” for the potential Pro Football Hall of Famer, and yet the Vikings relied less on Peterson’s explosive legs than Ponder’s scatter-shot arm.”

Dave Boling of The News Tribune says Seattle earned the victory, but it wasn’t a satisfying one. Boling: “Because satisfaction is at the root of competitive complacency, it’s probably a good thing that so many of the Seahawks came away from Sunday’s win bothered by some of the obvious shortcomings.”

Ryan Divish of The News Tribune talks with Golden Tate about his two-touchdown performance against the Vikings, which included a risky leap to get into the end zone over Minnesota cornerback Josh Robinson. “I would love to be that go-to guy,” said Tate, who has 24 catches for 283 yards and a team-high five touchdown catches. “I understand what kind of offense we have and what kind of playmakers we have. All I really try to do is do my job, the best I can. If I can do that, and do it well, my role will increase.”

John Moffitt starts at left guard for the first time in his NFL career. “I think it was good, not great,” Moffitt said about his performance. “To me, there’s stuff to work on. I think I was knocking the rust off on a lot of things. And I know I’ll see it on the film.”

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times writes that Seattle’s defense stopped everything else Minnesota’s offense had to offer, except Adrian Peterson. “I just respect him,” defensive end Red Bryant said. “It’s not every day you’re on the field with a running back of his caliber. You hear about Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders. Adrian Peterson is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. I can’t come up with enough adjectives to describe how special of a running back he is.”

Steve Kelley of the Seattle Times is finally coming around on rookie quarterback Russell Wilson. Kelley: “I thought Matt Flynn was the right choice to quarterback the Seahawks at the beginning of the season. I didn’t understand the rush to go to Wilson. I still think Flynn is a quality quarterback and the Seahawks still would be at least 5-4 if he had been the starter. But the growth potential for Wilson is enormous. He has an amazingly strong, accurate arm. And he has that “It factor” that general manager John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll saw in him last January.”

Art Thiel of notes that Seattle would have been as bad as Minnesota offensively if not for the play of Russell Wilson. Thiel: “Wilson is beginning to see sharply where things were earlier a blur. He’s learning to adjust his speeds, to find edges, decide quicker. And whenever it gets temporarily confusing, he can take 10 yards off by handing the ball to Lynch. Normally a “maturation process” is a little boring. But Wilson is a football man for the digital age, when faster, quicker and smarter are mandatory — and fun.”

ESPN’s Mike Sando says that Russell Wilson put together another winning performance at the quarterback position for Seattle. Sando: “Wilson’s three touchdown passes gave the rookie 13 through nine games, two fewer than Seattle managed all last season. He has eight touchdowns against two picks over his past four starts. He has taken one sack over his past two games and never more than two in a game since Arizona brought him down three times in Week 1. These are the signs of progress Seattle must see this season.”

Clare Farnsworth of writes that there’s no place like home for the Seahawks. “I wouldn’t say it was a must win, but we definitely needed it,” Seattle receiver Sidney Rice said. “We need the rest of these games coming up, and fortunately for us four out of the next seven are at home. We use this crowd for energy. We feed off them and we’re thankful we have them.”

Will Brinson of CBS Sports gives the Seahawks a B for their performance against the Vikings: Brinson: “Awful defensive effort against Peterson in the first half, but the Seahawks D was much better in the second half. Russell Wilson was 16-for-24 with 173 yards and three touchdowns, Marshawn Lynchcracked the 100-yard marker and Golden Tate made some huge plays in the passing game. Good effort for Seattle at home, again.”

Dan Wiederer of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune writes that Sidney Rice shined against his former team Minnesota, including a 26-yard completion to tight end Zach Miller on a double pass.

Tom Pelissero of ESPN 1500 Twin Cities writes that receiver Percy Harvin and Minnesota head coach Leslie Frazier had a heated conversation in the second quarter on the sideline about the Vikings’ struggles scoring points against the Seahawks. “I just want to score points,” Harvin said. “It’s frustrating not scoring. So, it was just a little frustration. Just was trying to get things right.”

Peter King of Sports Illustrated ranks Seattle No.11 on his Fine Fifteen.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    I can’t remember the last time I saw Seattle’s defense with such poor tackling. Carroll’s first year, I imagine. Some of that has to be attributed to Peterson, such a strong runner, but when you get your hands on him in the backfield, as they did several times, got to find a way to bring him down.

  2. Ewalters7354 says:

    I think the hawks run D will improve after this gashing.They were so good tackling the first few games, now they are failing to wrap up consistently.But I know that Ken Norton will be all over these LBs this week.I love Bobby Wagner.Much bigger upgrade from Hawthorne(who’s been benched by the Saints btw), just young and learning the ropes.He will like Wilson continue to get better.Love how he flies all over the field though, tackling machine.

  3. pabuwal says:

    Despite the defensive issues that have presented themselves over the past 4 weeks, I still see the Seahawks finishing 10-6 based on –

    1). The schedule – the weak offenses and the home games remaining
    2). The continued improvement of the passing game after 9 weeks together

    In order for the Seahawks to win the division, they are going to need to win out and that will require the Offense scoring 24+ points each and every game. I don’t think that happens.

    I don’t see the Seahawks going on the road to beat anyone other than the 49ers, namely because I don’t think the Defense will be able to stop any playoff caliber Offenses. But the team will go as far as the Offensive improvement takes them.

    And one last note, anyone thought that Christian Ponder is or will be a better QB than Russell Wilson, needs to state that as a disclaimer when participating in future QB discussions.

  4. bulldog80 says:

    Yes, the tackling was pretty bad, expecially on that first long run. I hope they can get their defensive assignments back in order. a couple of other thoughts from the game:


    This should settle any QB controversy. I actually have confidence in the offensive side of the ball now. I was kind of “cringing” earlier in the season when they were on the field. Now, I’m excited when we have the ball and know that Wilson is going to make plays. He is playing consistently well.

    The bubble screen actually worked yesterday. They have finally realized that they need to block on the outside for it to work and it resulted in some good gains yesterday. I’ll stop bitching about it now.


    Marcus Trufant is a liability. Yes he recovered that fumble yesterday, but he also missed at least two tackles that would have forced 4th down. Also, that long pass interference was ridiculous. He apparently can’t stay on his feet anymore. Hopefully Thurmond comes back quickly because this guy is quietly costing us.

    Our linebackers aren’t good. I think Wagner will get better with experience so I’ll cut him some slack. But Hill gets more horrible the farther from the line of scrimmage that he gets. Wright (I know he’s now injured) continually over commits, gets out of position, and misses tackles. This unit needs work.

    I am more excited about this team than any that I can remember. We’ve got something special in the works here and look forward to a great second half.

  5. pabuwal says:

    I wouldn’t get on Trufant too much. He did force that fumble as well. And Chancellor was out there missing some huge tackles as well. The poor tackling was a group effort.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    “I don’t see the Seahawks going on the road to beat anyone other than the 49ers.” …? Seattle has them at home Dec 23rd. Moreover, you don’t think they can win in Buffalo or Miami?

  7. gonefishin69690 says:

    Yeah, missed tackles, but, You’ve gotta hand alot of that to Peterson. Alot of other teams would say the same about Lynch. Peterson is a beast and will get his yards no matter what you do. The Vikings had no passing game at all, we took that away, so they had fortified their running game. Many positives over the last 3 or 4 games however. Penalties seem to have been reeled in, receivers are coming around, and Wilson looked like a veteran QB yesterday. This guy never panics, and never tries to do too much, and, he’s very accurate. I also liked the response to the “third and long” defensive woes we have had. We applied pressure this time, and didn’t have the linebackers playing 15 yards off the line. All in all, a good game.

  8. pabuwal says:

    Duke – good catch. I was referring to the Seahawks going on the road in the playoffs but I forgot to include that portion. The paragraph should read –

    “In the playoffs, I don’t see the Seahawks going on the road to beat anyone other than the 49ers, namely because I don’t think the Defense will be able to stop any playoff caliber Offenses. But the team will go as far as the Offensive improvement takes them.”

    I do think the Seahawks can win in Buffalo, Miami and even Chicago. I don’t think any of those teams have playoff caliber offenses. I do expect them to lose 2 of those 3, I just don’t know which are the 2.

  9. CDHawkFan says:

    Duke, I assume he is talking about the playoff teams.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    I see. Well, we have very different opinions of this defense. So long as they continue to hold teams to 20 points and less, which they’ve done against nearly everyone, the offense will not have to carry this team. Of course, if Wilson continues to play like he did yesterday and improve, the defense will become even better.

  11. Run defense hasn’t been as sharp lately as it had been in the first 5 games of the season. It’s not just the long runs, but the difference between stonewalling them for a yard vs. giving up a 5 yd run on 1st down; as that sets up the rest of the set of downs one way or the other.

    Still – a very good 2nd half for our defense, when we needed it. And with Wilson playing so well (assuming he can keep it up), and Lynch playing like he always does, our offense has a balance and rhythm to it that we haven’t seen in a very long time.

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think overall the D has played very well this year. That despite having some young players at linebacker.
    They have been dominant at times, and have shown their youth too, and have come so close to getting several ints.
    Perhaps they should watch some film on how the Bears are getting it done on D when it comes to creating turnovers.

    BTW- Is Red playing on special teams anymore when it comes to the oppositions field goals and extra points. It’s time for a block, and a big day from Washington against his former team. And please, an int by Thomas.

  13. I think that the Chicago, San Francisco and Miami games will be the most difficult to get a win.

    But isn’t it great to have a legitimate (IMO) shot at winning all of them?

  14. Audible says:

    “And with Wilson playing so well(assuming he can keep it up)”

    Since Wilson is so deliberate about how he prepares for each game, and so much of his rapid progress is because of that preparation, I really doubt we’re going to see a slump from him.

  15. pabuwal says:

    As long as Golden Tate continues to play like an average WR, Rice like a low end number 1 WR and Miller like he did with the Raiders, there is no reason this can’t become a team where the Offense carries them for the rest of the year.

    Only 2 teams can say they have a Defense that carries a playoff caliber team – SF and Chicago in this modern NFL. The Seahawks aren’t one of them.

  16. Southendzone says:

    You ever see one of those graphics that shows how tiny the earth is in comparison to other cosmic entities, like the sun and even bigger stars?

    There’s a cool youtube of it somewhere.

    That’s how I feel about the comparison of Shaun Alexander’s post contract effort vs Marshawn’s post-contract effort. It’s like a speck of dust next to a hot air balloon. Watching Marshawn run into db’s is my favorite thing in the world.

  17. The PI call on Trufant is (IMO) getting too much negative reaction.

    If I recall, he was on Percy Harvin at the time. Trufant may of got called on the PI (because he did not turn and look for the ball before making contact) but with a slightly under thrown ball and good pursuit by Trufant I think he managed to save a TD.

    No argument that Thurmond has more ‘upside and future’ as our 3rd CB. But I am not completely certain that Thurmond is the best option for today, this week or this season. I’d like to see Thurmond practice and stay healthy for a week or two.

    In anycase, its great to have a CB like Thurmond (or Trufant) available for depth as CB4.

  18. Question – who gets cut if / when we activate Thurmond?

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    One last thought.

    Imagine how Peterson and/or Lynch would have done running behind our great left side of the past? Scary to think about.

    And at the same time if Hasselbeck had Rice, baldwin, and RBs that could catch the ball. Double scary.

  20. pabuwal says:

    You guys sit here and diminish the efforts of Alexander, Jackson and Engram way too much. As far as Alexander – he was 30 when he got that contract. Lynch is nowhere near that age.

  21. I know it’s an imperfect stat – – but still, nice to see our guy ranked this highly, it’s been awhile:

  22. Audible says:

    I think we have one big advantage over the 49ers, Cardinals, and Rams games this year — The Russell Wilson Rapid Learning System.

    Wilson has 9 starts against 9 different teams this year. What’s going to happen when he gets another crack at the teams who beat us earlier in the year?

    I think we have a legitimate shot at going 6-1 the rest of the way, which puts us at 11 eleven wins.

  23. pabuwal says:

    Speaking of Wilson, he is on his way to the highest QB rating, most TDs and most yards of any Seahawks QB since 2007.

    Only twice in the entire franchise history has a Seahawks QB thrown for over 3000 yards AND had a QB rating over 90 (Hasselbeck in 2005 and 2007). Wilson has a shot at doing that this year.

  24. bulldog80 says:

    The Bears defense is excellent at forcing fumbles but they’re not better than our defense. You want to talk about inconsistent play, the Bears are the definition. They don’t scare me, they’re not good enough to carry their team.

  25. HawkfaninMT says:

    @Blocis: Mike Person, OL, is the guy that will probably be waived and readded to the PS if/when Thurmond is activated.

  26. sluggo42 says:

    We will go 7-0 and win the division. Our offense is just starting to “get it”, and the “d” is good enough. The other factor with the “O” now, is time of possession…
    That wins games


  27. “Only twice in the entire franchise history has a Seahawks QB thrown for over 3000 yards AND had a QB rating over 90 (Hasselbeck in 2005 and 2007). Wilson has a shot at doing that this year.”

    That’s a good point – and the dude is a rookie, no reason not to think he’s going to continue to get better.

  28. gonefishin69690 says:

    I love your enthusiasm there sluggo, but I doubt those pesky “pouty-whiners” will slfe destruct.

  29. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – My point is that they won’t have to, regardless how well they play. Not so long as the defense plays the way they have been. That’s better for everyone, especially with a rookie QB under center.

  30. I am unclear on what you mean – has the Defense been playing Great, Good, Average or Poor?

    My opinion – This Defense isn’t playing at a level where they could go on the road and hold the Packers, Giants or Falcons under 24 points. I think they could hold the Bears and 49ers under 20 points.

  31. Dukeshire says:

    This is my point, as stated above:

    “So long as they continue to hold teams to 20 points and less, which they’ve done against nearly everyone, the offense will not have to carry this team.”

    Not complicated.

  32. Two big stories of the game yesterday, and I hear one of them being talked about a lot today – rookie Russell Wilson’s increasing maturity and solid play. Another rookie other story I think worth mentioning is rookie Bobby Wagner.

    Last week against Detroit, Wagner was targeted and taken advantage of. He played like a rookie, taking steps in the wrong direction and getting washed out of plays. This week, he continued to make some mistakes in the first half, and when KJ Wright went down injured, I was worried as Wagner without that veteran help next to him for the first time this season. But in the second half, Wagner stepped up. He made plays and really grew as a player. This was a huge step forward for him.

    Great growth all around on this team.

  33. freedom_X says:

    Which defenses can go on the road and count on holding the Giants, Packers, or Falcons under 24 points at their home? I still think Chicago is a bit of a mirage, in that turnovers come in waves and there is a chance element involved.

    Given that Seattle’s defense will be coupled with Seattle’s slow-it-down offensive approach, they will be the top 5 or 6 defenses as far as chances of keeping things under 24.

    I don’t feel as though the Seattle defense was a fraud that suddenly has become exposed, since they played well all of last year too. The run defense should be correctable once some guys get off the glory track (which may have come from their bit of notoriety earlier in the year) and just get back to playing their assignments.

    The only true flaw is the lack of pass rush pressure on the road, which is what hurts their 3rd down percentages. But even with that, playing bend but don’t break, they still have decent chances of keeping teams under 24 if they get the run defense back in order.

  34. mocarob says:

    Everybodys fave Tater Tot is on NFL Network right now.
    90min into ‘around the league live’.

  35. pabuwal says:

    Like BobbyK kept saying, the Seahawks Defense last year benefited tremendously by playing “crappy QBs.” The assumption was that because of youth, this year the Defense would progress to the point where they could play at a high level this year against upper echelon QBs/offenses. That has not happened to this point.

    I think freedom_x’s statement encompasses where the Seahawks Defense is at – they are just like almost every other NFL Defense where they can’t slow down a high-end offense. That’s where the NFL has gone to now.

    Having an elite Defense just doesn’t mean what it used to – namely because there are so few great Defensive teams. The Seahawks aren’t one of them.

    However, their Defense is good enough that with continued improvement from the Offense, the team could be pretty good. This runs counter to the main argument that fueled this blog for the past 3 months – “Our defense is elite, so why are we wasting it on the growing pains of a Rookie QB”?

    The reason was because there are so few elite Defenses in the NFL that are actually difference makers against ANY offense. This is not one of them. This may or may not ever become one of them. The Seahawks chances of winning a Super Bowl hinge on this Rookie QB continuing to develop and becoming the greatest QB in franchise history.

    So to answer the question – that’s exactly why the team was “wasting this Defense” going through the growing pains of a Rookie QB.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs- our defense is good, our offense is getting better, we are young and getting better. Lets just see how this all plays out.

  37. Dukeshire says:

    I find that entire argument a false premise. That is, this team can only become “pretty good” if the offense is to continues to improve? This team is already “pretty good”, by nearly any measure. Seattle currently has one of the better defenses in the league. When they are one of the better offense as well, we will then see this become a very good team. Can they be great? Not without *significant* improvement on both sides of the ball. So regarding the offense, that’s why rookie Wilson is starting now. Because Carroll feels to become great, Wilson overall and long range, gives them the best chance.

    To your point of winning the Super Bowl, nearly every team that has ever won a ring has needed an elite or as close as one can get, QB under center. That’s not exclusive to Seattle.

  38. mocarob says:

    Hawks D is tied for 3rd in pts allowed. Tied with Houston.
    Ahead of ATL & Miami and we’ve played one more game than anybody in the top 5.
    There are always ways to get better but I’ll take it.

  39. pabuwal says:

    How should someone rate a defense? By aggregate stats or by breaking down the defensive performance based on caliber of offense faced?

    The Seahawks have a defense that appears good to great based on aggregate stats. When breaking down the performance by caliber of offense faced (a BobbyK favorite pastime – where is this guy?), a different story comes out.

    It’s no different than Christian Ponder vs Russell Wilson. Christian Ponder had a good game or 2 earlier this season and the Vikings were rolling. Russell Wilson struggled earlier this year. The QB numbers and records of the teams coming into yesterday’s game led to a conclusion that Ponder was the better QB. Breaking down the performance and trajectory of each QB, however, showed Wilson to be the far better QB. This will continue to play out through the remainder of the year.

  40. mocarob says:

    I think pts allowed vs strength of Offense is a good indicator.

    Ranks of Off we’ve faced this year.
    1.NE 2.Det 6.Dal 12.SF 18.GB

    I’m not saying they’re the best D, Just trying to defend the point that they are a good D.

  41. sluggo42 says:

    We are a much stronger team now with the offense moving the ball and scoring. Keeping the “D” on the bench makes them that much better. When they get a stop on 3rd and return the ball, we get swing points, and we get a swing in the time of possession. These are the things that makes a team good, and a good team, a very good team. That is the zone we are moving into now. When we get a stop, we are now looking at 3 or 7 on our score, because we want the ball and we’re gunna score!


  42. princeaden says:

    Was that a grain of humility in the Steve Kelley article ? Hmm, that’s odd.

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