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Morning links: 3rd down a downer for Hawks

Post by Eric Williams on Oct. 30, 2012 at 7:48 am with 53 Comments »
October 30, 2012 7:51 am
Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford runs for a touchdown in the second half against Seattle. (AP Photo/Rick Osentoski)

My story today focuses on the Seattle defense’s inability to get off the field on third down this season, which was particularly bad against Detroit last week.

Seattle’s vaunted defense is No. 3 in the league in points allowed, giving up just 16.8 points a contest. And Seattle is No. 5 in total defense, allowing just 312 yards a contest.

But the Seahawks are 27th in the league on third downs, with opponents converting nearly 45 percent of their chances into first downs. The league average for third-down defense is 33 percent.

Even more troubling for Carroll was Seattle’s inability to get off the field in third-and-long situations.

According to STATS Inc., Seattle’s defense allows 43.2 percent (16 of 37) third-down plays from 10 yards and longer to be converted into first downs, worst in the league. No other team in the NFL has allowed more than nine such conversions.

Check out in the table below how Seattle’s defense compares to other top defenses in the league on third down.

TeamPoints allowedTotal defense3rd down pct. (NFL rank)
1. San Francisco12.9 (1)271.4 (1)31.78 (3)
2. Chicago14.3 (2)316.0 (7)34.07 (6)
3. Seattle16.8 (3)312.0 (5)43.93 (27)
4. Arizona17.8 (4)312.8 (6)32.73 (5)
5. Miami18.0 (5)363.0 (22)26.42 (1)

Dave Boling of The News Tribune gives the Seahawks a C grade at the midpoint of this season. Boling: “The Seahawks’ record is an obvious reflection of mixed results in many areas; so much better than last season’s 2-6 start, but projecting a sense of disappointment as two consecutive road losses dulled the rush of a 4-2 beginning.”

Peter King of Sports Illustrated believes that Seattle would be wise to go after Kansas City receiver Dwayne Bowe via trade. King: “If I were Seattle GM John Schneider, I’d call Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, and ask if there’s any way he’d dump Dwayne Bowe for a fourth-round pick. And if he would, which I doubt, I’d be a buyer. You might say that Bowe could be a free agent after the season, and why would the Seahawks spend a fourth- on a guy they could lose after the season? Simple. They’d franchise him if they couldn’t reach a long-term deal, and that would give Seattle one season of a quality receiver (plus one-half of a shaky season this year, depending how quickly he could pick up at least some of the Seahawks offense) for, say, the 115th player in the draft. I’d do it.”

Speaking to 710 ESPN Seattle’s Brock Huard and Mike Salk, Pete Carroll said that his team could be 8-0 this season had a few breaks gone their way. Carroll: “Look at these games. After eight games — we could easily be 8-0. We could be 8-0 right now. And I think — I hate to think of it this way — but if you go ahead and you look at us a year ahead from now, when these guys have been through all of this, then all of these edges that we need — these little edges that you need — if they fall in our favor then we have a great football team.”

Check out the full interview in this audio link.

The Seahawks drop to No. 11 in the later power poll on NFL.com.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com notes that Marshawn Lynch’s 77-yard touchdown run tied for fourth longest in franchise history.

Pete Prisco of CBS Sports moves Seattle down to No. 14 on his NFL power rankings.

ESPN’s Mike Sando writes that San Francisco seized control of the division by manhandling Arizona at home 24-3. At 6-2, the 49ers now have a two game lead over Seattle (4-4) and the Cardinals (4-4) as they head into the bye week. “This is a big game for us, especially in the division, going into the bye week with a two-game lead,” San Francisco offensive lineman Joe Staley said. “We’re really in control of our destiny.”

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    16 of 37 in third and 10 or more…? Sweet jesus, that’s worse that even I thought. As good as they are in so many other statistical categories on defense, this screams scheme, to me. Watching the 9ers last night, when they have the Cards in those situations, I saw corner zone blitzes, Sam backer blitzes, even man coverage. Badley / Carroll simply have to make some adjustments with their defensive play calling, here.

  2. Ewalters7354 says:

    Peter King has a great point.I’d eve be willing to give a 3rd rounder. I mean, they gave it for CBJ…

  3. I am not absolutely against the idea of acquiring Bowe but….

    Integrating a receiver into an offence quickly is always a concern. And while Peter King is correct that we could franchise him next year, the cost for doing so would be very high and stop us from being able to franchise another player (like Jason Jones, or Alan Branch or whoever).

  4. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    do we have anyone we would franchise next year? i don’t see them franchising branch or jones.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Having a rookie and 2nd year player calling all the defensive plays has to contribute to the 3rd down wows, imo.

    Ironically what some here hoped wouldn’t happen, ( inexperience hurting the team ) with starting a rookie qb on offense, may be happening in a bigger way with our Defense. At least at this stage.

  6. ChrisHolmes says:

    Horrible. Shameful. No excuse.

    We’re too talented to have this horrible of a 3rd down defense.

    And please, stop the Bowe talk right now. I don’t want that jackass on my team. Ever.

  7. HawkfaninMT says:

    Why Chris?

  8. morleytr says:

    They could be 8-0 but they could be 2-6, also – just as easily. You make your own breaks, or you live and die by the bounce of the ball when games come down to the final drive. 4-4 is really a fair indicator of the way they’ve played, IMO.

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    morleytr- I agree 4-4 is about right. Now let’s see if they can grow up a little more in the 2nd half and get into the playoffs.

  10. HawkfaninMT says:

    What are we thinking is the benchmark for the playoffs for the hawks? Will 10 wins get them there? I could see a 6-2 finish, 7-1 would be asking a lot though IMO

  11. Unrelated to the topic here….i was checking out youtube looking for hurricane sandy videos, and stumbled across this one. It’s always cool when you see Hawk fans on the east coast.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1axD5x_ees

    I sure wish the best for all the people over there during this terrible time. Thoughts and prayers are with them.

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I actually see a 9-7 record or even 8-8 getting the last wild card spot this year.

    I see Green Bay or Chicago getting the first one. After that it will be up for grabs for the second spot. However if we do finish 6-2 or 7-1, we will be in good position to get the top wild card spot, and perhaps an outside shot at our own division if we finish 7-1. That would be a tuff task though.

  13. The next two games are almost must-win games if the Seahawks have any hope of making the playoffs this year. If they can go to Miami with a 6-4 record and beat the Dolphins, they’d be in the driver’s seat for a wildcard berth (needing to win only their three remaining home games, probably).

    For me, the playoffs aren’t as important as seeing improvement over last year and major progress from Wilson. Next year, hopefully, they will make their Super Bowl run.

  14. HeinieHunter says:

    IF Baldwin could get healthy for the second half of the season it would make me optimistic about the playoffs. He seems to be snakebit with injuries this year. I don’t think last year was a fluke for him and I think that he and RW could develop real chemistry. As for Bowe, I trust PCJS to make the right call. I suspect that WR will be a major looksee in next years draft.
    Third and long stats for D is just not gonna get it done. Needs a major fix right now.

  15. Hawksince77 says:

    Here comes some rank homerism, so please read accordingly.

    I think the Hawks sneak up on the rest of the league here real quick. They won’t notice even if they come away with dominant wins against the Vikings and Jets over the next two weeks, and then the bye, but what I see is the following:

    1 – the defense is really good, even if we don’t want to call it elite. Stafford is one of the leagues best QBs, and Detroit has one of the most explosive offenses, and he played really well against Seattle. The Niners have a very good offensive line and run game, and lots of weapons, and Seattle’s defense played a credible game against them. They are young, and will get better every game. If Jones can play, that will make all the difference as well.

    2 – nobody has dominated the Seahawks, and they have played some of the best. The niners crushed the Cards last night. The Bucks crushed the Vikings last weekend (if memory serves). The list goes on and on. Denver over the Saints Sunday night. The point is, nobody has done that to the Hawks. They have yet to be over-matched in any game.

    3 – we are finally seeing the offense mature to the point where the short passing game is in effect, and still taking credible shots down the field. That long ball to Tate gets caught if he’s not interfered with. Rice could have come down with that long ball from Wilson. So close. The offense has been making good long drives down the field, in almost every game.

    4 – the offense has moved the ball late in every game, with the exception of the niner game. The ability and the composure to come from behind and score is a big deal, and the Seahawks have demonstrated their routine ability to do this.

    5 – the run game remains solid, if not really good in some cases. That’s huge, especially later in the year.

    6 – there isn’t one team remaining on the schedule the Seahawks can’t beat. Not one. The tough games will be Miami away and Chicago away. They can beat the niners at home. Alex Smith isn’t very good. They should crush the Rams and Cards this next time around. They should beat the Vikings and the Jets in the next two weeks. Not saying they will likely win-out and go 12-4, but it’s possible.

    7 – on the flip side of all this, they could also lose to any of these teams, but the Seahawks are consistent enough that they won’t lose more than 2, maybe 3 at the most, in my ‘opinion’. And of course, injuries could change the equation in a heart beat.

    Bottom line, every game should be competitive, and Seattle should be in a position to win most of them. If they get into the play-offs, it will be rough having to travel for every game, and they likely won’t go far, but next year, if they can get home-field, they should be really good.

    Okay, homer out.

  16. HeinieHunter says:

    Hawk77…. Thanks for putting things in perspective for me. Loses take the wind out of me and your points are well made. The glass IS half full.

  17. I think this is the year we take it on the chin a little bit, and figure out how to win all these close games we’ve been losing. I’d love to sneak into the playoffs this year, for the experience of it, and the confidence we’d get from having made it in. 9 wins would be a successful season to me.

    We’ve got far fewer holes to fix than in recent memory – esp if RW finishes the 2nd half of the season strong, which I think he will. I’ve got faith in our management to fix them by next year, and agree that we will be a much bigger threat to contend then.

  18. “IF Baldwin could get healthy for the second half of the season it would make me optimistic about the playoffs. He seems to be snakebit with injuries this year. ”

    Yeah, the few times this year he’s been healthy and moving well – he’s made a difference. We definitely need what he brings to the team.

  19. abqhwkfn says:

    In my opinion, the defensive struggles on third down are due to ineffective pass rush and linebackers that are not good playing in space. I think those are the reasons this defense has trouble with the no huddle and 2 minute offenses as well. I think this is inexperience at the linebacker position showing its face. This team is right where i expected it to be.. Young and growing. I think the expectations were a little high coming in to the year.

  20. HawkyHann says:

    Pete does realize his team should be 3-5(Green Bay luck game). We’re fortunate to be 4-4.

  21. rramstad says:

    Sorry, don’t agree with the PP, and I like some of the discussion earlier in the thread. We have not been dominated in any game! We have had a realistic shot at winning each and every game. Frankly, that’s a big change from some of the teams we’ve put out in years past… even some very good teams that would occasionally lay an egg, getting blown out on the road especially.

    I know, I know, we could be this, we could be that, but lost in the shuffle last week is that our offense did some good things, we did not have any special special teams plays, and our strength, the defense, didn’t look good… and we still had a lead in the 4th quarter.

    Every single loss has been close and we can point to one or two things that we’ve done successfully in other games that we did not do in the loss… which again, I’ve said this a bunch, will say it probably the rest of the year, is a hallmark of a young team, we’re inconsistent… once we get some consistency, we’re going to win a lot of football games. Could be now, could be next year, but it’ll happen, I’m sure of that!

  22. sluggo42 says:

    77,

    Thank you for typing out everything I was thinking, you saved me a lot of work. (typing about 20 WPM)

    The one thing you omitted is the very basis of what separates us from being an absolutley dominating team, and is what this thread is all about.

    3rd down defense –

    We have barely lost the 4 games, and they all featured the same problem, stopping them, and re-gaining time of possession. HAVING the ball.

    If, and it isn’t that big of an if, we can reduce the number of their 3rd down conversions, just a little bit even, then we get the ball back. With the offense beginning to show signs of coming together, we start getting “swing points”. Instead of them getting a td or a FG, we get the ball instead, and WE score. Let’s say that we stop ONE drive, and complete one drive, lets even keep it to trading FG’s. We have just complete and 6 point “swing”. So take away 3 from them and add 3 to us. That means we beat AZ and Det, Lose to 9ers by one, and go into OT with the Rams. Throw a TD into any of those “swing” points, and we are 8-0.

    Just by getting to average in 3rd down “D”, this team gets WAY scary good.

    How’s that for being a Homer?

    WAR HAWKS

  23. sluggo42 says:

    Oh, and a quick thought to we “should have lost” the GB game. I don’t agree with that either, because they got a call that gave them their TD, so it’s moot.

  24. Chawksrule says:

    Regardless of all the bad stats we are really in good shape I think. This game Sunday with the Vikings is HUGE!

    Big time playoff competition going on this weekend. We are fighting with Green Bay, Arizona and Minnesota for a wild-card berth.

    All 3 of those teams are currently ranked ahead of us for the playoffs. Good news is if we take care of business Sunday against the Vikings and Green Bay disposes of the Cards up in Lambeau we would be in control of that final playoff spot. We control our destiny. It’s been a while since we were in this position.

    I’m still all in!

    Go Hawks!!!

  25. Hawksince77 says:

    HawkyHann writes: “Pete does realize his team should be 3-5(Green Bay luck game). We’re fortunate to be 4-4.”

    If that game was properly officiated, it’s hard to say how it comes out. The Seahawks played them straight up, matched them play for play, and earned that win. Had it been a loss, it would have been a very close one.

    As for the record, I just figure if you count GB as a loss, might as well count the first game a win, given we were one of three dropped passes away from getting a ‘W’ in that one.

    Point is, you can manipulate the circumstances any number of ways to say what the record ‘might’ be, but they stand at 4-4, and nice place to make a late season play-off run.

  26. PugetHawk says:

    With the playoff race shaping up the way it is, there is one spot up for grabs and right now it would go to the Vikings. If last weeks game was a must win for Lions then this weeks game is a must win for the Seahawks.

    Not sure I like Pete’s take on could’ve been 8-0. Doesn’t that just mean that we almost won games? Here is a thought…change up your 3rd down defense by blitzing or doing anything other than cover 2 vanilla everytime and make a move for Bowe. The offense was vanilla to start the season and now the defense has become the same while the offense is getting better. Uhhh thats frustrating.

  27. EastCoastFan51 says:

    Had to comment on the Hawks fans that have migrated to other parts of the country…believe it or not there are a lot of Hawks fans here on the East Coast….not like the Steelers or Cowboys but a lot more than you’d think and I’m in Pats country. Ok back to our normally scheduled program….

    As for playoffs this year…I hope so but I’m not so sure. This team plays not to lose, Carroll wants to win by just 1 point every game, that’s not going to fly in the NFL every week. Just once I’d like to see them dominate and leave no questions and when a team is down keep our foot on their throat.

    Our offense is coming around now that they’ve played together some and the training wheels have come off…but what bothers me is they are still trying to figure out their run/pass ratio this far in to the season…uh Pete that’s what preseason is for but him and his competition at QB has cost the offense a couple of games early in the year and holding Wilson back until game 8, no other coach with a rookie QB did that this year, ,why us?

    I wish we could go 5-0 at home but honestly I can see us losing to either the Vikings, Jets (I know) or the 49ers. This team is not consistent..they knew what was at stake against the Lions and still faltered even after having a fairly large lead at least for the Hawks. So home field or not I can see them laying a turd in one of those games, sorry trying to be realistic because they’ve done it before. Then the road games…Dolphins, Bears and Bills…I’m not convinced they can win any of those games the way they are on the road…at least the Buffalo games is a 1pm start for them…unless Tannehill is hurt the Dolphins pull out that one and the Bears, who I’m not convinced are THAT good will probably beat us. I think the division is the 49ers…sad to say…and a playoff berth is questionable at best unless they go on a tear. Now we are short on receivers…not good for this offense because we can’t just plug someone in there because we’ve seen how long it takes for them to jell. Sorry I’m long winded. Go Hawks.

  28. ChrisHolmes says:

    @HawkfaninMT – In simple terms, he’s a selfish dunderhead.

    Now, I can occasionally handle a selfish guy. Or a dunderhead. But not both at the same time.

    Bowe strikes me as a moron. When the Chiefs drafted him, he held out. He cares more about money than the game.

    Go back and watch the Hard Knocks from 2007. He comes off as slow, dim-witted, selfish and entitled all at the same time. Now, if you’ve got legit skills – if you are Derell Revis at your position – I can forgive the entitlement attitude. But if you’re also a moron? No way.

    Bowe doesn’t work hard. He’s also slow between the ears. He drops way too many passes. He’s been suspected for violating the substance abuse policy. And did I mention: HE DROPS PASSES.

    I don’t want him on our team. He’s a total headache waiting to happen. All he’s going to be concerned with his his contract. He’s not going to work hard, he’s not going to learn the offense fast, and he’s not going to put forth effort. He’s going to complain about his contract and he’s going to drop passes.

    Mark my words: If Bowe becomes a Seahawk, he’ll cost us at least one game by dropping a pass. Probably more.

  29. EastCoastFan51 says:

    ok I agree that Bowe is not the answer but to say he will lose games for us by dropping passes…..that’s different than our current WR corps how? Just sayin….heck if we can give millions to a backup QB and sit him on the bench at least Bowe would be on the field playing with the potential to win a game for us, our high priced backup QB offers nothing to the team at this point. I often laugh at us fans when we cry about how much so and so gets…why care? The owner wants to spend let him spend it…if it doesn’t pan out he’ll move on and spend more money on another player. It’s not our money. But don’t get me wrong I don’t think Bowe is the answer either.

  30. ChrisHolmes says:

    “We’ve got far fewer holes to fix than in recent memory – esp if RW finishes the 2nd half of the season strong, which I think he will. I’ve got faith in our management to fix them by next year, and agree that we will be a much bigger threat to contend then.”

    This is the thing right here… And I think you’re onto it.

    I think fans’ passion for this team is overriding their sense of logic and reason. People want this team to win so badly RIGHT NOW. But the reality of this season is this: We’re a year or two away from seriously contending. And it has a lot less to do this year with player personnel than it does simple experience. I also believe we have fewer holes we need to fill through FA and the draft. But we need more experience.

    And you can’t cheat time and speed it up. Our guys have to play these games, take their lumps, and learn from them.

    I think we have smart players (maybe smarter than our coaches, but that’s another story). I think they’re going to learn and grow and figure this stuff out. But they need time and we have to be patient. Losing sucks. But I think our guys are learning valuable lessons that are going to pay dividends in the future.

    My issue right now is not with the players. It’s with the coaches. I don’t love our staff. Bevell infuriates me and Bradly’s calls on 3rd and long make me want to punch him in the face. I’m worried that our coordinators are costing us games.

  31. Hawksince77 says:

    ChrisHolmes, if what you say is true about Bowe (and I have no reason to think it’s not) than that will likely keep him out of consideration for the Seahawks, because I don’t think PC will tolerate such character (or lack there of) and he certainly won’t pay a lot for it. He might sign somebody like TO for an extended tryout, but he’s not going to commit himself with draft picks for a guy that has already demonstrated his poor character.

  32. Ewalters7354 says:

    Chris, with all that you just said, Dwayne Bowe is way better than any pass catcher the hawks have.Just saying…

  33. HawkyHann says:

    Hawsfansince 77: the whole world witnessed the inaccurate reception. Pete knows he got the biggest break of the year. True, we’re 4-4, barely. Far from 8-0 though as mr happy khacki would like you to believe.

  34. ChrisHolmes says:

    I think Rice is better than Bowe.

    And I’d rather have Tate and Baldwin over Bowe any day.

    And yeah, I know our guys drop passes. No one was more pissed off than me during that five-drop performance a couple weeks ago. The drops cost us the game.

    But there’s simply no reason to acquire Bowe. He won’t improve the situation, and I think with the way he thinks (selfish, contract, me-me-me, slow-witted) he will only create a negative in the locker room and on the field.

    And when you couple all of that with what is certain to be his focus on his contract and his demand for a big-time salary, it’s just not worth it, IMO.

    I think we’re stuck with the receivers we have. For this season anyway.

    We just have to get better. We’ve been in every game… We beat Dallas, New England and the Packers – three games I thought for sure were “L” when the schedule came out.

    We gotta grow up. We have to grow into our shoes.

  35. sluggo42 says:

    Hawky –

    The whole world also watched a fake PI call allow the Pack to score their TD. It is what it is…

  36. “He might sign somebody like TO for an extended tryout”

    With all these injuries, I’d take TO for a stretch – even though I had no issue w/him being cut, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see him make a catch that wins a game for us if he was to come to town.

  37. Vancouver_Hawk68 says:

    The conversation on this blog has improved significantly and is downright enjoyable. I would like to advocate the glass half full theory as many “experts” had the Seahawks at 1-7 at the half way mark. Yes, I am as frustrated as everybody else with the road losses but as has been pointed out a few times, the games are close. This third down business is absolutely killing me and it has been an issue for years now despite the fact that the personnel has completely changed. The schemes have to take some blame as they are just soft in these third and long situations. That did not happen against the Pats with 1:18 to go after the Rice touchdown after Brady torched the defense all game.

    The team is young and if last season is any guidance and the team improves over the second half, the Seahawks could pull a Giants stunt. Sneak into the playoffs and go deep into the playoffs.

    Here is to cautious optimism while acknowledging the areas of concern (pass rush, third down defense, pass protection and quarterback with growing pains, not to mention the luck so far re injuries. Don’t wanna think about one of our corners going down).

    Go Hawks

  38. HawkyHann says:

    sluggo- the whole world did not see the PI call. They did however see Golden Tate’s play on loop on every network.

    I do appreciate your Seahawk loyalty though. I’m glad they got the W, but it was an early gift.

  39. Hawksince77 says:

    Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of signing Lockette or Butler? Given their familiarity with the offense, it seems like they might provide the most immediate opportunity to improve the WR situation.

  40. Sluggo, I also find it irritating having to argue the GB game with naive people who don’t take the rest of the game calls into consideration. Without those calls (& no holding calls) GB probably wouldn’t have had the lead.. Can’t believe we’re still debating that game.. Esp to Hawk fans who seem to love calling it out as a loss..

  41. Carlsonkid says:

    Unfortunately , I have a stinking suspicion we will lose another NFC West game despite being at home . You do realize we’ve won every home game so far this season , including preseason ? What are the odds we win every home game in the season ? Only seen it happen once ; the Superbowl year .

    That then dictates you must win at least 2 more road games to get to 10 wins , which is probably the benchmark for making a wildcard in the NFC this year . Chicago ? Not likely . That leaves Miami and Buffalo as ‘must win’ road games if we’re talking playoffs . Both those teams are AFC so even winning those doesn’t help out with conference wins unfortunately ..

    Playoffs are going to be tough to accomplish this year , should’ve. won the Arizona or St. Louis game

  42. Sluggo…agreed on the GB game comment. I tell everyone who bitches about it still that GB’s final TD drive included that bullshit call that gave them a first down. No call, probably no game winning drive needed. Who knows who would have won after that, as I seem to recall there was still time for GB to get the ball back if their D could force a 3 and out, but people need to remember that the game was full of bad calls on both teams, not just the final play.

  43. Hawksince77 says:

    Carlsonkid, I hate it when I get those stinking suspicions. Doesn’t it just suck?

  44. jchawks08 says:

    Glad to see Pete looking ahead to next year already. *sarcasm* My 1/2 full glass is slowly turning to 1/2 empty as the realization that we are a longshot to make the playoffs now at this point has set in. 4-4 and looking ahead to a better 2nd half. There are some tough games coming up. I don’t think 9-7 is going to get it done. I’d love to go the route of the Giants last year. IF 9-7 does get us in and we have a couple game winning streak, then anything is possible. Just too many damn If’s.

  45. Peter King suggests a 4th could get Bowe, which would be intriguing. However, per Lombardi at NFL.com “the Kansas City Chiefs could expect to receive a third-round compensatory draft pick in return if Bowe left via free agency, so a team would have to give up a second-round pick to get the receiver.”

  46. Obo put on the IR.

  47. HawkfaninMT says:

    That does not make sense to me Poep. If KC were to get a 3rd rounder in comp(which does make sense), why would that necessitate a 2nd from another team? I would think the high value of their comp would mean they may be willing to give up Bowe for less. They get that 3rd PLUS whatever a team is willing to give

  48. SaigonSun says:

    I understand Bowe is not a solution b/c of his $hiti attitude, but if we could solve our WR problem w/o spending a 1st rounder on that position … would be great. First rounder on another pass-rusher is muc more “fun”; and second pick investment in a mauling RT would get us much closer to a dynasty. Why can’t we bring back Tuinei and Bates and see what happens? @

  49. ChrisHolmes says:

    Bowe won’t solve the problem. He’ll just create one.

    I’d rather sign Butler or Owens, myself. They were in camp. Owens has the same stone hands problem that plagues Bowe, but I think his potential for problems is actually lower at this point in his career (Owens just wants to play; Bowe wants a contract).

    All of that said – I think we have bigger problems than our receivers. I mean, those guys made some plays this weekend. I thought the 4th and 2 slant to Tate was huge. It showed immense trust in the receiver, it was a perfect pass, and the OL blocked well.

    I think our much, much bigger problem is 3rd down defense. If our 3rd down defense can get off the field, I think we have two more wins this years. Branly and PC have to fix that.

    And the thing is: I don’t think we can fix the WR issues with another body. But the coaching staff CAN fix the defensive issues, IMO. Different plays, adjustments to scheme, etc… I think we can actually improve that part of the game.

  50. On the GB game, a bad PI call on SEA didn’t have as much impact on the outcome as a bad TD call on the final play as the TD call left no time for GB to “recover”.

    Even had the PI call been correct and GB been forced to punt, it’s far from certain that GB wouldn’t have scored on a subsequent drive—there were well over 10 minutes left in the game at that point, GB’s D would have played differently being behind, if they score later SEA has less time to respond, and so on. Keep in mind the SEA O had managed 7 through 3 quarters at that point and was 2/11 on 3d.

    So, while you can certainly say if the Tate call goes the other way, GB wins, I don’t agree that you can certainly say if the PI call on SEA goes the other way, they don’t.

    The win was a gift even though it’s certainly true that every season you win a few you should loose and loose a few you should win.

  51. bbnate420 says:

    Go back and watch the KIRO footage from the back of the end zone of the Tate catch versus GB. It isn’t an obvious bad call. I would even say that Tate caught it. Not to mention the bad calls that went against us. We won. They lost. Too bad, so sad. Go to a Packers board if you wanna whine some more about it. Saying that we should be 8-0, 7-1, 3-5, etc. is just stupid. We ARE 4-4. They don’t change the records. We still lost SB 40. We have been right in every game. That’s what should be encouraging. We aren’t getting stomped like we did many a time in 2008-2010.

    Also, I still haven’t heard anyone respond to how it wasn’t intentional grounding by Stafford on the play right before the winning TD catch. He looked like he was clearly still in the tackle box and threw it at the feet of his RT. How is that not intentional grounding? That would make it 3rd and goal at the 11. Good chance we hold them to a FG. Then who knows what happens. In the end, it doesn’t matter. Just like the Tate catch.

  52. bbnate420 says:

    And the point people are missing about Bowe is that if you want him here, Rice or he is almost certainly gone after the year. Especially if they would have to franchise Bowe. They’re not going to spend 20 mil on 2 WRs. Especially when one has a history of injuries and the other a history of being a bit of a head case.

  53. bbnate420 says:

    Eric, your league average of 33% for 3rd down defense is either a typo or wrong. The median average is approx. 39.5% and the mean average is approx. 38.8%.

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