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Morning links: Carroll faces team that fired him in Patriots

Post by Eric Williams on Oct. 11, 2012 at 8:00 am with 43 Comments »
October 11, 2012 8:00 am
New England Patriots coach Pete Carroll gestures during a news conference Friday, Nov. 12, 1999 at Foxboro Stadium in Foxboro, Mass. (AP File Photo/Paul Connors)

Dave Boling of The News Tribune writes that Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said he did not know it at the time, but after being fired by New England after three seasons, it forced the longtime head coach to re-invent himself, helping him change his approach as a coach and setting up a successful run at USC.

Now, Carroll’s back in the NFL with the Seahawks, hoping to show what he’s learned how to be successful at the highest level of football. He’ll get an opportunity to do that against his former team this weekend.

“Everything that is now the philosophy, the approach, the mentality, the language, everything, came out of that experience,” he said. “It gave me the opportunity to put something in motion that I’m really, really proud of.”

In my story today, Carroll said he’ll lean on his experience dealing with Oregon’s fast-paced offense in college at USC when Seattle faces New England’s no-huddle offense on Sunday. “We know what it is,” Carroll said. “We know what they’re going to do, and how they’re going to do it when they speed it up. And we’ll see if we can match it, and if we can, then we’ll have a chance to play pretty good.

“The point is that we can’t let their tempo dictate our play.”

Clare Farnsworth of also focuses on the Seahawks keeping up with New England’s up-tempo offense.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks are working to improve the worst red zone offense in football.

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks innovate defense is bucking an NFL trend. Brewer: “The Seahawks have built the league’s best defense with preposterous brilliance. They’re so unconventional that they’re ideal. Across the league, great defensive minds and teams with great defensive traditions are succumbing to the changing times and copying the cats who devise video-game offenses.
“Not Pete Carroll. Not the Seahawks. They’ve invested in a throwback strategy, updated it and made it their own.”

Art Thiel of discusses Carroll’s tenure in New England. “The Patriots and Seahawks don’t play much, only twice in 20 years, Seattle winning in Foxboro 30-20 in 2004 and losing at home 24-21 in 2008, pre-Carroll. So it’s his first chance to make a statement on the field, which follows up a pretty good one Wednesday.
“Everything that came out of that experience (of being fired in Boston) changed me, and I have never been the same since,” Carroll said.

Brock Huard of 710 ESPN Seattle breaks down Golden Tate’s 13-yard touchdown against Carolina last week in this video link.

ESPN’s Mike Sando puts Marshawn Lynch on his MVP Watch list for the first time this season.

Mike Rodak of ESPN Boston writes that Deion Branch is looking forward to playing against his old team. “Hopefully we go out there and get the victory. That’s the most important feeling that I need to have, and that’s what I have,” Branch said Wednesday. “It’s always good to go back and see some of your old guys. But when we play at 4 o’clock, when the whistle blows, it’s time to play the game. All the other stuff goes out the window until after the game.”

Jeff Howe of the Boston Herald focuses on the matchup between Lynch and New England linebacker Brandon Spikes. “I have the most respect for that guy,” Spikes said of Lynch. “He’s a hard-nosed running back like that. You don’t see that too much these days. Personally, I feel like he’s one of the best backs I’ve ever faced since being in the NFL. I’m definitely looking forward to the challenge.”

Matt Bowen of the National Football Post breaks down Tom Brady’s touchdown pass to Wes Welker off play action last week against Denver.

Brian Burke, writing for the New York Times fifth down blog, gives Seattle a 49 percent win chance against New England.

Morning links
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  1. sluggo42 says:

    War hawks!

  2. sluggo42 says:

    Lol, I beat Bobby for once.

    Don’t ya just love at the end of every presser RW shouts “go hawks”!

  3. sluggo42 says:

    Off topic for a half sec, but do yourselves a favor and watch the debate tonite, as well as the rest of them, and vote this year, and do so with an educated mind. Football is great, Seahawks ya!

    But this is a special time in history. Our country needs a good leader, so vote, one way or the other, but vote and make yourself heard

    I now return you to regular programming…

  4. How many mistakes can Art Thiel make in one sentence??

    “The Patriots and Seahawks don’t play much, only twice in 20 years, Seattle winning in Foxboro 30-20 in 2004 and losing at home 24-21 in 2008, pre-Carroll.”

  5. I hope PC can dial up something to combat the fast pace of NE – When Dallas played hurry up the march 90+ yards down the field on us for the only TD. Kevin Kolb and the Cardinals gauged us for the eventual game winning TD while playing hurry up (or no huddle)

    I do think it is the one thing that can get to this defense over the course of the game. As I said in the other thread – if the NE offense controls the tempo it will be a VERY long day for us but if our Def can control it will be a VERY long day for them.

    This is a very big swing game for us. If we lose then we go to SF Whose Defense will give us fits all day long – (see last season and what they have done this season) it will be a very tough game for us regardless. IF we go 0-2 well will be potentially 3 games back in the division and 0-3 in the division. Tough to come back on. bright spot will be that this is the toughest stretch we have this season!

    If we go 1-1 in those 2 games or 2-0 we will set up much better for the rest of the season

  6. Dukeshire says:

    And Belichick was the guy who replaced Carroll…

    It’s not simply the speed that NE plays with. But they’ve also adopted of Tom Moore’s offensive key philosophies, from his days with Manning in Indy: running an extensive amount of plays out of one personnel grouping. So now you’ve got a team that plays fast, and with their personnel at TE and RB, can run nearly an entire playbook (not really, but you get my point) with the same 11 players on the field. No other team in the NFL is doing this right now. So regardless what defensive package Seattle’s D has on th field, Brady can set formations and run plays at it’s weakness, and do it with incredible tempo that just wears you out.

    To me, their’s Seattle’s challenge in a nutshell. We’ll see if Bradley can finds way to disrupt it, not just react to it.

  7. DUKE – To me, their’s Seattle’s challenge in a nutshell. We’ll see if Bradley can finds way to disrupt it, not just react to it.

    EXACTLY – good call on that

  8. I am hearing grumblings about some comments that Brady made about the hawks…has anyone heard this or have a link to an article? I can’t seem to find anything, but i heard it was something to the effect of quieting our fans and making us boo our team on sunday. link?

  9. FleaFlicker says:

    Remember that game from like 25 years ago at Foxboro? Dave Krieg had like three TD passes in the 4th quarter, we were down double digits with a couple minutes left. Would love to see a highlight reel of that game. Epic. Think I was still in Jr. High School at the time.

    Anybody know where to find a box-score on that game? No way it’s on YouTube, but it would be cool to look at the stat lines.

  10. Palerydr says:

    Flea Flicker Try pro it has a ton of info about historical NFL stuff.

  11. Palerydr says:

    Here’s the link

    as for that game I believe we blocked a kick for a score then recovered an onside which lead to Kreigs game winner.

  12. FleaFlicker says:

    Yes! Found it!

    Thanks, Palerydr!!!! It was a 38 pt 4th quarter. If we have that kind of a see-saw battle again this Sunday, I will probably have heart attack.

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I watched the Arizona New England game and what impressed me most was how much more physical Arizona was.
    I expect if the Seahawks are to win this game they will have to do the same.
    And getting to Brady a few times will certainly help. He is not the same QB when a defense can can slap him around a bit.
    This is a game I think the 12th man will be a factor.

  14. reposting something hawkfaninoklahoma posted yesterday:

    Just one writer’s opinion, but interesting. The Top-10 Rookies of 2012, so far:
    #3 Bobby Wagner
    #10 Bruce Irvin
    (and I will place a bet here that Russell Wilson ends up on many people’s top-10 rookie lists by the end of this season.)

    What an awesome draft by the Seahawk’s FO!

  15. ” NE can run nearly an entire playbook… with the same 11 players on the field. No other team in the NFL is doing this right now. So regardless what defensive package Seattle’s D has on th field, Brady can set formations and run plays at it’s weakness…”

    Good points, Duke. Its parto f what makes their up-tempo offense really work. And to run this with 2 TEs only makes it harder to contend with for the Seahawks, who had trouble with 2 TE sets and up-tempo offense in the second half of the Green Bay game.

    Two players who absolutely have to shine on Sunday are Bobby Wagner and KJ Wright. They are already on the field in nearly any alignment, but this Sunday they might play every snap. Wagner has to continue to use his speed to disrupt. KJ needs to take better angles in pass coverage. Its a lot of pressure to put on these young guys.

  16. FleaFlicker says:

    Stevos, don’t leave out the skill of drafting in the lower rounds either. Kam and Richard Sherman were….5th rounders if I remember right? And the Turbinator, a 4th rounder this year.

    F.O. has got it going on.

  17. abqhwkfn says:

    This game sure does have a special feel to it.. Those of you lucky enough to attend please create another earthquake.. Sunday cant come soon enough… Go Hawks!!

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Will this be the first game that Baldwin finally shows up?

    FleaFlicker- Agree! This F.O. ( imo ), has had about as good of a three year drafting in a row that any F.O. in Seahawks history has had.

    That’s not even counting their success at finding good players from other teams for cheap. Lynch, Clems, Browner, ect…

  19. Speaking of rookies, two players that many of us wanted the Seahawks to draft – Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower – are now Patriots. Russell Okung needs to nullify Chandler Jones or he will be trouble in our backfield.

    Georgia, I think its a good bet that Baldwin will show up. (and, I hear you, we need him) I thought he played a key role in our offensive improvement last Sunday.

  20. wallinator says:

    Jboard1 – yeah, Brady was speaking generally, that he loves quieting the crowd and having the home fans boo their team. He loves seeing home fans leave early when they are on the road and the Patriot fans in the stands take over. I don’t believe that will happen in Seattle. Seattle & The 12th Man is something Brady hasn’t experienced. Our D is too great to allow Brady and the Patriots to run up the score.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Stevo – I too was thinking about them. I’m really pleased Wagner has played as well as he has, and that he’s the nickel Mike. Having he and Wright now able to be 3 down LBs helps the entire D with offensive recognition, considering both have called defensive plays.

  22. jchawks08 says:

    Not sure if it’s been said yet but, what’s with NE coaches and hoodies?

  23. jchawks08 says:

    I knew there was a reason I liked Peter King:
    Hawks 27 – NE 24

    New England Patriots (3-2) at Seattle Seahawks (3-2)
    Tom Brady’s first, and probably last, trip to Seattle to play football ends in disappointment. Bruce Irvin’s the reason. This is going to be a speed game, with the Patriots continuing to race to lead the league in offensive plays, and Irvin, the fastest speed-rusher in football, will have the advantage of playing in the cacophonous CenturyLink Field. The last time the Seahawks played at home, the Green Bay line couldn’t handle the speed of the Seattle defense and the noise, and eight first-half sacks resulted. Not saying it’ll be the same here, but the Patriots will struggle blocking the speed demons, led by Irvin, rushing for Seattle.

  24. The FO is picking better players in the 5th round than Tim Ruskell picked in the first. This is how dynasties are made.

  25. sluggo42 says:

    Lol, Peter king has a man crush on Irvin

  26. trout_hound says:

    Some interesting fodder coming out of Boston on the game:

    Interesting clip by Felcher and Mazz about Pete being more of a head cheerleader than a head coach, especially about getting him excited so he’ll make a dumb mistake. I like Pete, but I think the Rams accomplished that with their fake field goal and taunting Pete into the bad onside kick call.

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Some of the comments after the article on Deon Branch crack me up. Lol.

    “Branch went out on a limb playing for Seattle.”

    “You’re barking up the wrong tree here. Dingo’s post was a re-leaf.”

    “He obviously isn’t in this neck of the woods much.”

    “I guess he doesn’t see the forest through the trees.”

    “Keep em comin. I love SAPPY humor.”

    “Where has he put down roots?”

    And I will add one of my own-

    “His bark was worse than his bite here in Seattle.”

  28. Just think if we drafted as consistently in the 1st round as we do in the 4th/5th – AMAZING it would be!!

  29. tacomahawk73 says:

    Jboard, Brady said:

    “It’s always nice when you take 53 guys on the road and you say, ‘This is all we’ve got and this is all we need and this is what we have to do.’ And see 70,000 fans, if you can keep them quiet or turn them on their own team. I think that’s an exciting part for road teams, is to see if you can get them booing their own players.”

    To be fair that is a little out of context, as just before that he commented on how the Seahawks have solid play, especially defense.

  30. mojjonation says:

    PC= Papa Cheerleader.

  31. Palerydr says:

    The Patriots are coming to the Northwoods where the Boom Squad is gonna lay the lumber to their WR/RB. Hit Brady early and all game force him to think about the pass rush. Hopefully we can get an early turnover and turn it into a TD. Keep the 12th man into the game with big hits and maybe we can win this game.

  32. Thanks wallinator. They is highly unlikely with our fans. Can’t wait for sunday, and hope to see brady’s hands over his ear holes all game long.

  33. Thanks to the other guys as well, didn’t see your posts yet. Can’t wait to see Brady stress (fingers crossed).

    I hope Irvin has a big game. I’m hoping we can take away their quick passing game so our D can get into the back field. If that happens, watch out

  34. FleaFlicker says:

    Brady is possibly the best QB of the last decade; but he’s only human. With time, he will torch you. Under pressure, not so much.

    Whatever the outcome of this game – our Def Line will be the reason.

  35. Wow trout_hound…those are some big words coming from those fellas. This makes me hope even more we can beat them. I hope we can ground and pound and then go deep on them…all of the things they said are not possible. haha lets go HAWKS!!

  36. freedom_X says:

    The weather in Seattle may be nasty Sunday (winds and rain coming in Friday.) If it hold up through Sunday evening, this, combined with crowd noise, that could have a major impact on the offense.

    I would say New England will feel more of an effect that Seattle (since offense is a more important component of New England’s team than it is for Seattle.)

  37. bird_spit says:

    Go watch some of those videos if you want to get fired up about kicking some NE butt. Thanks for the link trout hound .

  38. bird_spit says:

    I’ve spent a fair amount of time in Boston…I doubt any Seattle weather would be an issue for NE. I think the long flight and 3 hr time difference will matter. I wish this was a night game.

  39. freedom_X says:

    It’s not the weather alone that would make an impact. It’s that offense (passing) is a bigger part of New England’s success than it is for Seattle. So if Seattle’s offense suffers 20% loss in efficiency, it’s not as big a deal as New England suffering 20%. One of the few “positives” one can draw from a feeble passing game.

    If it’s windy, it will hurt any passing attack, whether they’re used to the conditions or not. A ground dominated game will have an advantage. While the Patriots are leading the league in rushing, I still feel as though the passing game sets up the NE running game. Whereas with Seattle, it’s the reverse.

  40. princeaden says:

    That was a pretty good read by Jerry Brewer on our Defense. I think it was Mike Tyson who said it best when he said “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face”. Anyway, I think that’s kind of what KJ Wright was saying. I’m excited for Sunday.

  41. princeaden says:

    Oh yes, and I hope Kam gets a good clean shoulder to chest shot on Branch..

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