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Quick hitters from Monday Carroll press conference

Post by Dave Boling / The News Tribune on Oct. 8, 2012 at 4:01 pm with 68 Comments »
October 8, 2012 4:01 pm

After reviewing the game video, coach Pete Carroll was most impressed by his team’s effort “in terms of playing hard and fast and physically getting after it,” he said.

Even though this was a 1 p.m. start on the East Coast (not the 10 a.m. eye-opener that has caused so many past issues), this was still “a good accomplishment,” he said. “We have some trips to deal with it (three more to into the Eastern Time Zone), so it’s always good to know you can handle it, I thought the guys did a good job with that.”

But the frustration over costly mistakes was still fresh a day later. “It was a very frustrating game … we were playing well and doing some really good things. We felt we could be ahead and taking command of the football game and we weren’t able to because we were getting in our own way. In the first half we had a couple key penalties that made a big difference, and in the second half we gave them the football three times in the third quarter, that was just crazy.”

The Hawks were flagged for seven penalties and 65 yards, but the numbers are misleading since several nullified big plays, particularly the holding on right tackle Breno Giacomini that brought back a 56-yard Russell Wilson completion to Golden Tate.

Carroll said he’s tried to re-enforce the message, particularly with Giacomini, how costly these infractions can be, but “I’ve got to start reinforcing a lot better than I’m doing. … We’ve got some very aggressive guys,” he said. “We sought them out, and now we’re dealing with it.”

Carroll said he wasn’t sold on a personal foul penalty called against Giacomini. The whistle clearly hadn’t been blown when Giacomini made contact, he said.

The focus of last week was improvement on third-down conversion rates, and Carroll said he saw “enormous improvement.” Offensively, they converted seven of 14, and held Carolina to two of 11.

Carroll cited improvement by Wilson, who “did some really good things,” he said. “We got the ball down the field better than we had.” Efforts by tight end Zach Miller, receiver Sidney Rice and running back Marshawn Lynch contributed to that, Carroll said.

Wilson improved his season passer rating to 75.3 — 27th in the league — by going 19-for-25 for 221 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. He finished with an 82.3 rating. Carolina’s Cam Newton, last year’s Rookie of the Year, came away with a 56.8 rating (12 for 29, 141 yards).

Prior to the Monday night game, the Hawks had the No. 1 defense in the NFL. Carroll was asked the relevance of the ranking at this point in the season.

“It doesn’t mean much right now … it’d be really nice to be No. 1 at the end,” he said. “It’s a good statement at the beginning of the season that our guys have gotten off to a great start. … I think we should improve… I think we should count on our guys to continue to get better. The way the (rankings) go, I don’t care. It’s fun for those guys to know, it’s a very prideful group, but does it mean anything? Not really. What are we going to do this week is what counts.”

Improvements contributing to the statistical ranking? The Hawks have 16 team sacks through five games, nearly half of last season’s total (33). Carroll pointed to the team speed displayed by rookies Bobby Wagner and Bruce Irvin, and also by Earl Thomas and Wagner on a play to drop Newton at the goal line.

But speed is ineffective if not properly applied. “(Defensive coordinator Gus Bradley) is doing a great job of keeping these guys clear about their assignments so they can play fast. It’s the No. 1 issue for us to play quick every time we go out there.”

Some numbers of note: As of Monday afternoon … Sunday’s opponent, New England, is rated No. 1 in the league in offense. The Seahawks are the NFL’s most frequently penalized team (44 flags). … Lynch dipped to second in the NFL in rushing as Kansas City’s Jamaal Charles outgained him 140 to 85 yards on Sunday. The Hawks are still No. 32 in Red Zone offense, but have moved out of last place in passing offense — now standing No. 31.


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  1. bbnate420 says:

    I have RW as 26th in QB rating according to CBS Sports.

  2. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Number 1 defense vs. the Number 1 offense. It will be a good game. Win or lose, I think we’ll be competitive. It will be a good test for Irvin, because we’ll need multiple sacks, and qb hits, from him to disrupt Brady. I think the key to this game will be to not allow Brady to feel comfortable in the pocket. I really think we can win this game, as long as we don’t kill ourselves with penalties.

  3. When you get two forces like our defense (and home crowd) and their offense, it’s going to be fun to watch. All I know is that our defense will (probably) give up more yards than they are used to giving up, but at the same time, the Patriot offense (probably) won’t be gaining what it’s used to gaining either.

    I know some people don’t call our Packer win a “real” win, so maybe this is the “signature” game that the national folks say we need to win to get back on the NFL map?

    One thing that’s fun to think about is that we have, on average, tougher and better players, IMO, than the Patriots (other than the QB position – and that’s not a knock on Wilson, that’s just stating the FACT that Brady is still one of the best, if not the best in the game today).

  4. Bobby k I’m sure you probably already know this but if you download I heart radio KJR SEATTLE it is free ap on smart phonesYou can listen to press conferences etc live.I’m sure you are already all over it but I know you are far away so just a thought!I get it if u don’t accept my apology but sorry for being such a jerk. I have a tendency to be way over the top sometimes ( my wife has been dialing me in on that)! Go hawks

  5. Dukeshire says:

    Brady is one of the best of all time, not just today. *This* would be a signature win. Seattle will have to play better, across the board, to get this W. I’m really excited to see how they play.

  6. ThickRich says:

    Nice job Irish your wife has been telling you that for a long time. Lets all get along and quit this nonsense that’s ruining this blog :)

  7. montanamike2 says:

    Kum bay ya

  8. Greendog I thought you left

  9. montanamike2 says:

    Speaking of peace on earth the MNF game is starting soon and Tebow promises a victory “to honor God”. Does he know they’re playing the Texans? I hope he gets his ass kicked and Tebowmania finally goes away.
    Thank you PC JS for not getting him!

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Moving up the ladder. I see Wilson being in the top half of NFL QBs before the end of the season.

  11. montanamike2 says:

    I hope you’re right Georgia.

  12. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    georgia, only way that happens is to get the drive killing penalties under control . i am willing to bet that they score after that 56 catch that was called back but we will never know.

  13. freedom_X says:

    Unfortunately, I’m skeptical that Carroll will ever be able to solve the penalty problem. I feel it’s due to Carroll’s philosophy.

    I don’t think penalties can be cured by tricks like running laps or pushups or a 1 quarter benching. Consider how Holmgren did it. He didn’t do it with tricks or the Holmgren stare. Holmgren did it by stopping practice when a mistake was made and emphasizing it and making the player go over it again and again.

    But Carroll’s preference is for “energetic”, “fun” practices, and that kind of nitpicking doesn’t cater to that type of philosophy. So loose practices mean loose games. Certainly Seattle gains some things from that type of routine, but I fear they lose discipline and attention to detail.

    While holding or defensive contact is bad, those are largely physical issues. If they didn’t commit the penalty, maybe the QB is sacked or the WR gets open for a 50 yard bomb.

    I find the personal fouls and *home* false starts totally unacceptable. Those late personal fouls by that oaf Giacomini lit me off. He’s double dim-witted, 1st in committing that type of penally, and 2nd in not being clever enough to hide it (like a Conrad Dobler.) If you’re going to be dirty to get the defense off their game, you also have figure out how to do it in a sneaky fashion.

  14. bbnate420, again, QB rating is absolutely worthless. How’s this for passer rating?

    Tom Brady – 29/34 380 yards 6tds -152.8 rating
    Drew Brees – 23/30 369 yards 4tds -156.8 rating

    Brady threw for 11 more yards, 2 more TD’s, and 6 more completions, yet has a lesser passer rating (assuming brady threw 4 less completions, you’d see 25/30, which is still more than brees), yet his rating is a full 4 points lower. I’m not sure why you put so much credibility into a pointless rating. BTW, being 26th in QBR really isn’t anything to be excited about.

    Georgia, I would say he is already, except in the top half of backup quarterbacks, where he and seneca wallace belong.

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The way I see it is how can this team not but keep on getting better? Especially the passing game.
    This team is just so young and good right now that it is very scary to think how well this team can be next year and in the following years to come.
    Just think about the experience that we have with our play calling on both sides of the ball. Very little, however it will only get better from here on out.

    bbnate420 is totally right, (imo), when he says next year will be our year.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    RADEoN – Perhaps you would be happier being a Browns fan. That way you could surely keep your pessimistic attitude.Lol.

  17. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Can you imagine how good this team could be if Matt Flynn was leading the charge instead of Seneca Wallace: The Sequel? In 5 games, our offense has scored a disgustingly low 6 (SIX!!!) TDs, 1 of which being Golden Tate’s controversial game winner against Green Bay. And 2 of those TD drives were off of turnovers caused by our defense. That is pathetic. This is just like Minnesota before Brett Favre, terrific rushing offense and outstanding defense held back by a statistically terrible quarterback who has questionable ability to be an NFL starter. Pete owes it to the team and the fans to play the QB that gives us the best chance of winning, and that is MATT FLYNN!

  18. bbnate420 says:

    RADEoN, again, I don’t care what you think about QB rating. I just posted it because Dave said he was 27th, not to brag about it. Try reading next time. I’m not sure I even believe those stats you posted since you have consistently misrepresented statistics on here, but 4 points of rating ISN’T a big difference. You didn’t mention ints. I assume they both had zero, and that the 4 point difference was due to Brees’ better yards per attempt. Assuming the stats weren’t made up. And yes, QB rating does have it’s flaws, but it is the best SINGLE statistic we have for QB play IMO. So I guess because it’s not perfect that it is “absolutely worthless”. That’s so ridiculous that it’s comical. You think QB rating is absolutely worthless, and I think the same about 99% of what you post. So there you go.

  19. bbnate420 says:

    RADEoN, see what you did? You even got Georgia to agree with me! :-)

    ACIB, that could almost be construed as a semi-positive post. A step in the right direction. BTW, Flynn has questionable ability to be a starter as well. All QBs that haven’t done well at it consistently do. Two starts doesn’t make a career. Your opinion that Flynn gives us the best chance to win is just speculation, not based on any objective facts. It may be true, but it’s still speculation. I’ll take PC and staffs’ judgement over yours personally.

  20. I trust Carroll and Schneider’s judgments when it comes to the defense, but the jury is still out at the QB position. My reasoning for wanting to see Flynn at QB isn’t because he’s the better talent long-term, but for this season and next he’s the best option.

    Maybe he wouldn’t have been able to scramble away from some of the sacks that RW has, but he might be able to step up in the pocket and make quicker reads. He’s the perfect fit for the type of offense that Seattle is running. Quick short throws and the occasional deep passes.

  21. seatowntp says:

    Dave, first of all, I want to convey how much I appreciate all your reporting. You and Eric do an amazing job. I know I am nit picking, and I may just be reading it incorrectly, but the game started at 4:05 Eastern time. Thank you.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    I find it funny that, in an effort to discredit passer ratings, two of the most prolific QBs in the modern era are pulled into the fray. Whose ratings are each near perfect (from whenever they were taken. Not yesterday…). I don’t put much stock into using stats to prove a point, but using Brees and Brady to illustrate how worthless the passer rating is seems ironic, at best.

  23. dirtbiker_joey says:

    I’m tired of hearing about how good the Seahawks will be next year.They have the talent to make a deep run in the playoffs this year. There is no certainty that talent will be here next year. When I feel like watching a team that will be good next year, I turn on the Mariners.

  24. sluggo42 says:

    BBNate, Ignore the trolls, do not respond! Ignore..

  25. sluggo42 says:

    2ond half, Breno was back in, and he didn’t commit any PFs. BB got one, but compared to last year he is golden. I think 65 yards lost to penalties, plus the 85 yards that were negated comes out to about 150 yards that were truely lost, not to mention possible points, 3 at least.

    Personally I see growth every gam in RW, you can almost see it clicking into his brain. Against the Rams, he stepped up just a few times, and I remember one specific play where he started his normal bail, and then stopped in mid step, and steppinto the pocket and threw a pass. This game, he started stepping up much more often, then also took off upfield for some gainers when he felt the pressure.

    The main point is that he is improving, and making positive game adjustments. As these adjustments become more automatic with experience, then he starts seeing more of the field, and starts making throws into the tighter windows. At his current rate of positive growth, it wont take too long before we start seeing some throws that make us jump out of our seats and holler!

    NE will be a real tester, kinda like an 8 foot putt for the club championship. You have the skill, but can you control the yips? Only this putt will be trying to punch you in the mouth at the same time…
    Pressure on Brady all day, letting him :feel: us…


  26. Hammajamma says:

    I find it funny that in an effort to discredit Wilson, the hackneyed comparison to Seneca Wallace is dragged out again. Nothing in their college or pro careers to date suggests any similarities beyond the position they played. The author of that comparison also called Warren Moon an “affirmative action drunkard,” so I think I know why it’s hard for him to see beyond his overt anger that Flynn is sitting.

  27. sluggo42 says:

    Hamma!, do not feed the trolls!

  28. sluggo42 says:

    I don’t remember Kam laying the wood on anyone this week, did I miss it?

  29. bbnate420 says:

    Good point, Hamma.

    I’ll try, sluggo. And I don’t think RADEoN is a troll, i.e. just posting negative stuff for attention. I think he is probably just a genuinely negative person. It takes all kinds.

  30. JazBadAzz says:

    I would like to see Braylon Edwards get a few more snaps, he’s lookng like he’s back to making plays. I believe that little dust up on the sideline after his catch made the coaches sit him.

  31. ThickRich says:

    I’m here you salty dog.

  32. ThickRich says:

    I wonder if or should I say,after,we win on Sunday if the Russell chatter will die down whether he does well or not. My gut tells me he is gonna play great.

  33. Wins have a tendency to do that.

  34. Last year, I was so envious of Panthers fans, having Cam Newton and his gaudy passing stats. I thought he was destined to be a superstar. This year, I’m not sure I would trade Russell Wilson for him. Funny how quickly things change.

  35. I too believe that Russell Wilson will (again) play exceptionally well for a rookie next Sunday, though winning will depend on exceptional play by many players who haven’t quite stepped up to win games yet this year. No matter how well Russell plays, he’s not going to out-play 7-time pro bowler Tom Brady, so many fans will use that as their next opportunity to explain how Willson sucks/isShort/isSenecaWallace/isNotMattFlynn.

    What I know is that a couple weeks ago I was at the Clink watching this team pound the vaunted Cowboys into a bruised bunch of losers headed back to Texas. I believe the Patriots will not walk out of the Clink without having to earn whatever they get.

    And whether Wilson or Flynn was leading this team right now, it would still come down to the same keys to success: pound the ball with Lynch, force their D to keep 8 in the box, and then make them pay for that with strikes downfield, while using our D to pound their offensive players black and blue. It worked against the Cowboys, and it nearly worked against the Packers. If I were the Patriots, I wouldn’t want to go to Seattle.

  36. JazBadAzz says:

    The fans better not let the patriot fans buy a bunch of tickets and fill the stadium like they did against the cowboys and packers! That really bothers me for some reason but hey, I’m not the one having to spend my hard earn money…

  37. FleaFlicker says:

    Jaz, I hear you. But you see what tickets are going for? Seriously, you can pay for your season by giving up a couple key games here and there. Basically get a six game package for free.

    Regardless, I’ll still be there on Sunday…want to be there in person to watch Brady get knocked on his back. Over and over again.

    I think the over/under on sacks has to be 4.5 if we are going to win. Dang, I cannot wait for this next one.

  38. chrisj122 says:

    Wilson doesn’t have to out play Brady come Sunday, he just has to out play the Patriots defense.

    Our defense is gonna get a big test against the Patriots. Brady will have his big plays here and there but if we can hold them to 3 TDs or less we have a chance.

    The offense is gonna have to score more than 1 measly TD and a couple of field goals!

  39. toastmaster says:

    I’m still excited just to be excited about the Hawks for more then one year in a row. I still look forward to every game and every press conference afterwards. We have our strengths and weaknesses (which may change at times) but we continue to learn. I know – maybe too much koombyah – but I love the Hawks through good and bad!!!!!!

  40. jchawks08 says:

    I think Carroll finally gets the whole dicipline issue. Hey, he took action and that’s a start. And as far as the comparison with Holmgren and how he treated frequent offenders, the Giacomini penalties don’t really apply to the ‘do it again until you get it right’ method. On that holding call on the bomb to Tate, he tackled the dude to the ground. That was no ordinary hold. Not sure if he was just badly beat or if he was being a knucklehead. On the personal foul, he blasted the dude right when he was on the out of bounds mark. Classic unncessary roughness. Again, simply a jackass play. Hopefully the mild benching taught him some sort of lesson.
    Though STILL in the Flynn camp, I have to admit that Wilson is showing signs of improvement. I want big things this year because I think we can be that good. That rookie QB thing.. I can’t get over it.
    And yes, everyone, I know it’s hard. But just stop. Stop feeding these trolls. STAHP! They thrive off of your responses. Pathetic, I know.

  41. If the Arizona Cardinals can beat the Patriots in New England, the Seahawks can certainly beat the Patriots in Seattle. Yes, Russell Wilson needs to play well, but so do a lot of other players. I’d love to see Tom Brady spending most of the game on his butt — either on the sidelines or with Irvin/Clem on top of him.

  42. Interesting thought that will win me no friends: Wilson now has twice as many NFL starts as Flynn.

  43. jchawks08 says:

    Everyone has that one player that they despise with all their heart right? Well mine is Brady. No reason in particular. I just don’t like him. Though I don’t wish injury on him cause that would just be awful karma, I do hope that Chancellor and friends hit him so hard, that butt chin gets turned inside out. On that note, goodnight!

  44. chrisj122 says:

    In the words of Chuck Knox “practice does NOT make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect”.

    I wonder if Pete would agree?
    Perhaps if Pete expected and demanded perfect practices there wouldn’t be a discipline issue.

  45. “I think Carroll finally gets the whole dicipline issue.”

    Wow, I’m sure those comments are well intended and have good thoughts behind them and all, but jeezus what a bunch of baloney!

    Carroll “finally gets it”?

    How the hell do you think Carroll developed the NUMBER ONE defense in the NFL in ONLY TWO YEARS PLUS FIVE GAMES??? He developed a BONE CRUSHING defense SO FAST because he first taught these young mofo’s how to cut it loose and wreak havoc on the football field. Have you ever played football? Ya can’t hold players back and make them cautious and then expect them to hit people with bone-crushing force likely to dislodge their own skulls from their own bodies. The aggression and violence and man-on-man arrogance that this team plays with is not some accident. It didn’t evolve in Seattle because players walked in capable of playing like this.

    Its because Carroll coaches his coaches to coach a brand of football that is more physical and more intimidating and more arrogant than most other NFL head coaches know how to coach.

    Carroll has taken a bunch of 22 year olds and turned them into well-trained assassins. Next step is to refine that aggression to ensure they play within the rules. But the last thing this coach wants to do is make these players think first rather than react and HIT first.

    Remember when Holmgren coached the Seahawks? I loved Holmy, but the Seahawks were SOFT (other than Walt, Hutch, and Toebeck). There’s no denying it. Holmgren coached players to be perfectly coordinated and smart. And they played soft. Tim Ruskell may have made a lot of mistakes, but he threw a bunch of Holmgren’s soft players OUT of the Seahawks locker room at the start of 2005 and IMPROVED the team by bringing in nasty hard-hitting players like Darby, Tatupu, Hill, etc.

    Football is a great game because of the balance between technique and violence, the balance between brains and brawn. Those who set aside technique in order to coach a little extra violence may at times see their team make a costly mistake, like Giacomini’s penalty last Sunday. Those who don’t figure out how to coach aggression are doomed to become the stewards of smart-but-soft teams. Both technique and violence are needed in a championship team.

    I believe Pete Carroll and Tom Cable and Gus Bradley understand the right order in which those things are taught. First, the young men learn to physically beat and intimidate their opponents. Then, they refine their skills and learn to accomplish the kill.

    The Seahawks are a young football team, and still learning…. But to think that Coach Carroll doesn’t understand discipline? He’s just figuring it out? After being one of the most successful coaches in football for more than a decade? C’mon. This is a stage in the development of this team. Like young, violent, and wild teenagers nearing maturity. I think Carroll knows exactly what he’s doing.

  46. freedom_X says:

    I think we’re talking about the offense here – particularly the offensive linemen. I think you can be physical and tough without plowing into a guy after the whistle blows. Offensive players need to be precise instead of being aggressive.

    I don’t see how false starts are a sign of a tough player going for the kill. Offensive personal foul penalties are inexcusable and a sign of lax discipline. Some stooge ramming into a defender after the whistle – that’s not aggressive, that’s stupid. Need we count the number of Seattle drives this year alone that have been killed by such stupidity? (and I’m not counting the holding penalties, either.)

    For all the criticism of the Holmgren approach, that approach did get Seattle into the Super Bowl and did get them multiple playoff victories over several years and multiple winning seasons. And we’re not even talking about his Green Bay tenure.

    I’m not saying Carroll has failed, far from it, but he hasn’t proven he’s a better pro coach than Holmgren. Not by a long shot.

  47. I don’t know if everyone saw the few seconds before Breno knocked that panther silly out of bounds, but that player leveled Sidney Rice just a couple seconds before, and Breno was just being a good teammate. With that said, I agree he could be more crafty and sneaky, but I can’t fault a dude too much for having his guy’s back. Especially with Rice’s concussion history.
    The holding call, that was a takedown, and he just got beat on that play. He’s got to play better, and if he has to hold to buy a few more seconds at least hide the hold a little better, maybe keep his hands in or something. That hold was a killer because it negated a huge play by Wilson, a perfect bomb to Tate. Breno’s a decent player, but he does need to learn how to control his aggression more and pick his spots so they don’t kill drives. Maybe he could get some lessons from Cortland Finnegan on how to get his shots in but disguise them so as not to get overly penalized for personal fouls. If Breno doesn’t learn how to play more smart and savvy, he’s going to end up like Richie Incognito. Remember that d-bag hothead?

  48. montanamike2 says:

    I think Stevos post from last night was dead on. We aren’t soft anymore and that’s why Pete wants Breno to stay in but dial back the aggression a bit. Our whole secondary is like a school of tiger sharks that gets more worked up the more blood they smell. That “deer in the headlights” stare that we saw from the qb’s aren’t expecting anything like that. Cam’s still hearing about it from the fans and media in Carolina like he turned out to be a bust. That’s a franchise qb with a mediocre team. Last years hero! The 12th man is more than teams are prepared for, look at the difference in Carolina. Half the seats were empty! The crowd noise was not very intimidating at all. There was no comparison, We have a good chance of winning this game if we can string some offense together. I wish i was going so bad. I envy you guys with tickets. I like our chances at home against any team.

  49. mojjonation says:

    PC will never get the “discipline issue”. Look what he did in college. Do you really expect him to be any better as an NFL coach?

    Oh look. The lone arguement we’d be undefeated and scoring at will with Matt Flynn. Oh look. Still no proof.

    Limiting the number of possessions that NE gets, and good underneath coverage on their TE’s and backs (which kind of seems like our weak point and I bet Belidouche knows it too) should take care of things.

    Giacodipess. What can you say about this guy that hasn’t already been said. Self control dumbazz. He reminds me of Sloth from The Goonies.

    Home field. 12th Man. Stout Defense. Limit turnovers because Brady will look for the home run ball as soon as they get it (which sets up ET or KamChan to hurt someone).

    If Giraffe is there, I hope she opens up her mouth and says something stupid after Brady gets planted a couple of times. She’s better off just sitting there looking pretty than attempting to offer up anything of substance. Superbowl anyone? I wonder who wears the pants when they are home?

  50. Sparky12 says:

    CCVVI: I noticed the same play involving Rice you mentioned. Breno is indeed a hot head, but does not take crap from anybody and is far from the “soft” O-line guys the Seahawks were known for just a short time ago.

    I played Hockey ( Goalie) for a number of years and he reminds me of a big right defenseman I played with for sometime. Tough, hot-headed guy who sat in the penalty box ( aka-the sin bin ), enough it was his home-away from home! But it was his aggressiveness on the ice that made him a tough competitor and effective against guys with more talent, if you will. He ALWAYS had my back and was a outstanding team guy to boot. Our coach learned over a few seasons how to control him, at least enough to keep him on the ice more often than not. I can see why Pete likes those kind of guys, even with the down side.

  51. How do you really stop Tom Brady?

  52. princeaden says:

    One more thing that stood out to me as I re-watched the game was that Lynch would’ve had another 35 yards or so if not for the phantom holding calls on Okung, Obomanu and 1 other that escapes me now. The point is, they need to clean up across the board in order to get off the Referees radar. Personally, I think the Seahawks are watched very closely due to bonehead plays from Giacamini and sometimes McQuiston.

  53. sluggo42 says:

    How do you really stop Tom Brady?

    Question of the hour…

    Keep him on the bench, or on his butt, or in the locker room with smelling salts.

  54. princeaden says:

    My apologies. It looks like I just repeated previous posts.

  55. montanamike2 says:

    Smelling salts. good one.

  56. Dukeshire says:

    The discipline issue seems to be a bit overblown, to me. And to be clear, I’ve been just as hard on Carroll regarding this as anyone: Going for it unnecessarily on 4th down. The lazy penalties(holding, false start, delay of game, etc…), and so on. But for all the noticeable lapses, there is a lot of assignment correct football being played. Especially on the defensive side of the ball and that only comes with discipline. Moreover, much of what we’ve been complaining about can be attributed to simply one player. And despite Breno’s meathead mentality, the line as a whole is playing very well, and zone blocking too requires players to play disciplined.

    My point here is that it’s a very fine line between discipline and sloppy when a team that plays as aggressively and as fast as this one does. And for all the complaining, we ought to recognize the fundamentally sound ball that is also being played. Anyway…

  57. Nice post, Stevos. This team is certainly different than Holmy’s. If only we could have Pete Carroll’s defense and Mike Holmgren’s offense. That team would be a multiple Super Bowl winner. I really hope the Seahawks can keep this nucleus of talented defenders intact for a few years and be contenders for a long time.

    I still think the Seahawks could be like the Giants of 2007, peak at the right time and win the Super Bowl this year. The defense is certainly strong enough to do it; all we need is for Wilson to keep improving and the WRs to step up.

  58. HUGE overreaction!!!

    the comment was ONLY that Carroll gets it in terms of DISCPLINE AND PENALTIES it had NOTHING to do with how well, I am pretty sure we all agree, he can and has built a defense

  59. gonefishin69690 says:

    Agree canfan, and I think we saw some improvement from Wilson, as well as from Rice and Tate in the Carolina game. Maybe not as good yet as we would all like, but it’s at least progress. The untimely penalties however are killing us. I believe THAT is where we need to see improvement. Browner and Sherman, who were penalty rich last year, seem to have gained some experience, are still playing physical, but not getting caught on penalties near as bad this year. Let’s hope Jock-a-mini and Okung can do the same.

  60. jchawks08 says:

    WOW Stevos. Um yea buddy, was simply referring to the Giacomini penaties. Didn’t mean to get you all up in an hizzy fit.
    I meant that Carroll finally gets that the discipline issue needs to be addressed because it will affect the outcomes of games. Sheesh!
    There was no mention of the defense by me. I have nothing but love for this defense and their style of play which yes, is all on Carroll and his coaches.
    Breathe, 1 2 3 Breathe, 1 2 3.

  61. jchawks08 says:

    And if you paid attention to my 2nd post a few moments later, you’ll get that I too enjoy the violent side of the game. Again, not wishing injury on Brady cause.. yea, that would’t be the right thing to do.

  62. Lol! Well, okay that was a rant, but that’s what I’m liable to write at midnight after a couple of stiff drinks. Ha. And I stand by every word I said.

    Amateur armchairs critiquing a coach like Carroll on whether he’s “starting to get” something as basic to coaching as discipline represents a lack of understanding of how deeply a pro like him understands the game and coaching and the implications of the trade-offs he’s been successfully managing and teaching on a daily basis for years. He’s not just starting to ‘get it’. Some of us are just starting to get it.

  63. orbeavhawk says:

    Stevos – it was a GREAT Rant at that! I did not take it to have any particular posters name on it though.

    Speaking of disciplinary measures used by various coaches; an economics prof I had at the U. said the most sensitive nerve that the human has is the “Wallet Nerve”……..thus it is, I wonder IF team given fines on players for these kind of “mistakes” might hasten there correction???


  64. It was a great rant with many valid points – but Carrolls teams at USC were highly penalized as well. He was such a great recruiter that he also had a much higher talented team than the one they were usually playing.

    That is not the case in the NFL – from most talanted to least is a slim margin and the penalties will kill us at important times – and have already.

    Not all coaches worry about “discipline” – how many “players coaches” do not last long in the league because their teams are not consistent – MANY.

  65. It was a great rant with many valid points – but Carrolls teams at USC were highly penalized as well. He was such a great recruiter that he also had a much higher talented team than the one they were usually playing.

    That is not the case in the NFL – from most talanted to least is a slim margin and the penalties will kill us at important times – and have already.

    Not all coaches worry about “discipline” Al Davis didn’t care about Penalties and when the talent gap lessoned his teams (that he put together) had a much – how many “players coaches” do not last long in the league because their teams are not consistent – MANY.

  66. Whoops double post!

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