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Morning links: Reaction to Hawks 16-12 win

Post by Eric Williams on Oct. 8, 2012 at 3:53 am with 62 Comments »
October 8, 2012 5:45 am
Seattle Seahawks' Alan Branch (99) reacts after recovering a Carolina Panthers fumble as Carolina Panthers' Jonathan Stewart (28) walks off during the fourth quarter of an NFL football game in Charlotte, N.C., Sunday, Oct. 7, 2012. The Seahawks won 16-12. (AP Photo/Bob Leverone)

Good morning. We’ll have our Monday Morning QB live chat at noon today.

Here’s what’s out there around the web on Seattle’s 16-12 win over Carolina on Sunday.

You can check out my game story here. The Seahawks turned the ball over three times and had 87 yards of offense nullified because of penalties, but still managed to earn their first road victory of the year. “That was absolutely the meltdown opportunity,” Seatle head coach Pete Carroll said. “But we didn’t waver at all. We knew that we were doing well on defense. And we know that we were doing well on offense if we could just stay out of our way.
“We talked over the headphones and said, ‘Let’s stay with what we’re doing. Let’s wait this thing out and see if we can finish up really well.’ ”

John McGrath of The News Tribune writes that Seattle can thank cornerback Brandon Browner for their win against the Panthers. Browner had the late strip of Carolina running back DeAngelo Williams that set up the winning score.

Seattle’s defense held Carolina’s explosive offense without a touchdown in a dominating performance. The Seahawks have only given up two touchdowns in the last four games. “I’m privileged to play on a defense like this,” Seattle defensive end Red Bryant said. “I’ve never played on a defense this good, this talented. At every position someone can take over the game. I’m glad we got the win today.”

Seattle receiver Sidney Rice finally got involved in the offense, finishing with a season-high five catches for 67 yards.

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times writes that rookie Bruce Irvin Helped Seattle finish off the game with two sacks on the day, including a sack and forced fumble on Carolina’s final possession.

Steve Kelly of The Seattle Times says that the Seahawks Magnificent Eleven on defense saved the day for Seattle.

Clare Farnsworth of notes that Russell Wilson was 9 of 10 on third down for 73 yards.

ESPN’s Mike Sando writes that Wilson was 12 of 13 in the first half, and finished strong after two, third-quarter interceptions.

Ron Green Jr. of the Charlotte Observer writes that tight end Ben Hartsock didn’t expect to be that open on the fourth and goal play. “We have a hard run action, a hard run sell and I’m a very last option on that route. I’m blocking and (then) leak out to the flat. It’s one of those things, with the speed of it all, we just came up short,” Hartsock said.

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  1. Carlsonkid says:

    One of the best defensive efforts I’ve ever seen . Our defense is stellar . Giacomini needs a foot up his butt – his penalties are really costing the team . Nice to finally see Rice have a game.

  2. NYHawkFan says:

    Defense pulls off another one, saving the Seahawks from being 2-3. And once again another amazing play, as Eric reports that John McGrath says that Browner stripped the ball from Browner. LOL

    Wilson said he has read the press about his poor play and is inspired to do better. Thankfully he has the chops to perform at a higher level and gets the win. Congratulations! Bring on Brady at home. Soon to be 4-2 and enjoying the taste of victory!

  3. montanamike2 says:

    It’s true our defense won that game, but i was impressed the way RW has a short memory in terms of losses and turnovers. Pete pulling Giacomini for a bit was much needed as he has single handedly cost us a couple scores and maybe even a couple of games, not to mention that he probably cost Lynch about 100 yards. Sherman talks a lot of smack but the fact that he backs it up is awsome. How did 2 refs break them apart when Smith threw Sherman to the ground and no flag? I’m missing the replacement refs already, they made a lot of mistakes but they didn’t show favoritism, the game was more honest but at least the game is back to speed. I can’t wait for a healthy Moffitt to return and let the o-line gel.
    Wilson is my guy and i won’t waver from that, growing pains hurt but he’ll be way more successful later. Flynn will get his chance and maybe will come out like Kolb did in AZ, we’ll be all the better for it.
    One more point. Can we draft or what?

  4. If anyone watched, Carp looked really good yesterday in run blocking. It boggled my mind that he’s so big and tore an ACL about 10 months ago and yet he’s out there now. It’ll be nice when he and Okung can develop some chemistry between them. I’m so happy he’s a guard, and not playing RT.

    I know Browner wasn’t on Smith a lot yesterday, but that’s a match-up problem with him (like Mike Wallace last year) and he came out roses. He really came up big, too!

    So many game balls to go around yesterday!

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Good win. Awesome forced fumble and recovery by Browner.

    Agree about Carp BobbyK. It makes me wonder if he would have gotten injuried had he been practicing at his more natural position last year.

    Now it’s time to face Brady and the no huddle. This is the game I think the offense will open it up a little more.

  6. DICKSHIRE says:

    That’s a great point bob k! Carp/ okung could be dominate. Terrible call on holding against okung

  7. DICKSHIRE says:

    Hey bob, it sure would be nice to see Irvin continue to develop. He could be a nightmare for offenses especially with Clem on the other side.

  8. Right now, according to, we are the number 1 (Yes, the FIRST ranked) defense in the NFL when it comes to yardage, and the third in scoring. Let us all revel in that for just a second or two!!!

  9. Soggybuc says:

    one thing not mentioned was that BB and Sherman not only handled Smith Physically but got into his head to a great degree.
    Same with the line and Newton, you could see it in his body language.

  10. TomlPDX says:

    Our D is on a tear…next week will be a big challenge. I hope they are able to continue where they left off yesterday.

  11. sluggo42 says:

    +1 on the Carp, that was going to be my morning post of brilliance, but ya beat me to it… :o)

    The last thread was ugly, especially after a great road win. Inane bickering over one persons opinion of one player dominated the page.

    I personally will NOT engage with those comments, and if nobody else does either, then we won’t sink to the level yesterdays rants went to. Just don’t reply to it anymore, and if you do, then don’t complain about it, simple as that. And that’s the last I have to say about that…

  12. Dukeshire says:

    There’s no question the defense is playing at a very high level. However, Carolina played poorly and really hurt themselves. New England will not play nearly that sloppy. Seattle controls the Pats offense next Sunday, then we’ve got something to really brag about. But that will be their greatest challenge, so far.

  13. piperfeltcher says:

    Wilson played well yesterday in my opinion. With the D and running game being as strong as they are the most important thing is to keep drives going and make the throws on 3rd down which Wilson did yesterday. As long as Hawks dominate time of possession like they did yesterday they will be a hard team to beat. By the 4th quarter you could see the Panthers D was wearing down. This team does not have the talent on O to get into shootouts it is built for ball control football, keep there D fresh while grinding away with the run and wearing the opponent out and they executed this gameplan yesterday.

  14. piperfeltcher says:

    Like the Hawks chances a lot better next week with the game being at home. Hope the Pats 2 TE’s are still banged up and struggling next week as I could see them giving the Hawks all kinds of problems on quick throws and hot reads from Brady but do not see the Pats being able to run the ball and there WR’s do not scare anyone.

  15. sluggo42 says:

    Brady and the #1 offense will be very difficult to deal with for our young team. Their no huddle offense is fast, and they have been doing it for a while, so they have a pretty good idea of what they are doing. I think an important component of this “D” is their ability to get into the opponents heads. As perfectly exemplified my “my brutha” #25, Sherm was able to take Smith out of the game by re-directing his thoughts into a street fight. Smith is a tough thug who can dominate games, and Sherm really limited his value, both with tough play, and the Jedi mind ____ !

    Now Brady on the other hand can really light it up so we are going to need to give him some “happy feet”, by making sure he “feels” our big boys up front, as often as legally possible. They need to plant him at every opportunity, to get him feeling itchy, and maybe hurry some throws. I think a Zone “D” will get destroyed by Welker a la that little guy Donny or Danny A on St. Louis.

    They dropped 52 on Buffalo, but we saw the 9ers light them up too so maybe they just have 0 “D”, but they also dropped 31 on Den, and they have a decent “D”. So, they have won 2 in a row and are feeling good, but coming to the Clink will be a bit of a change in scenery.

    If our offense continues to gel and grow, and we get some points, we have a good chance in this game I think. It’s going to be critical to own the Time of Poss. Keeping Brady off the field is the best way to keep him from gashing you…

  16. Hammajamma says:

    Interesting watching highlights of Luck extending and making big plays with his feet. Similar to RW, things happen when QB’s step forward and slide, or simply take off.

    I see RW making improvement, but he’s got to cure his instinctual peeling back and to the outside. DE’s and LB’s are too fast in this league. It’s an automatic throw out of bounds. That said, he’s getting there, inch by inch.

    I think the game demonstrated pretty clearly that when has time, he can be an effective pocket passer. Now I’d like him to work on that little hitch-hop and just fire it.

  17. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    In my opinion, Russell threw his first real interception yesterday. Arguably, all of the other ones weren’t his fault. Despite the interception, he played really well. Huge improvement from week 4. As long as he continues to show improvement each week I think we have something special in him.

    Bruce Irvin is really coming around too. I was worried that Pete wasted a first round pick with him, and he still may have, but at this point in the season it looks Kiper is an idiot and Pete is a genius. It’s scary to think how good he’ll be before his career is all said and done.

    I really think that we are going to upset the Patriots. First of all, it’s a home game. Secondly, I think that Kam can cover Gronkowski with minimal help. Thirdly, most of the Patriots receivers are midgets that should have a really hard time getting off of Browner’s and Sherman’s, press coverage. While they’ll likely score a touchdown, or two, I don’t think it will be a high scoring game.

    Just as important, New England’s defense isn’t that great. We should be able to run on them, which should allow Wilson to make big plays. The caveat is the penalties. Holding calls can’t negate explosive plays if we are to win that game. As long as we avoid costly penalties, I believe we’ll win next week.

  18. Dukeshire says:

    The smaller receivers are what worry me, facing the ‘Hawks secondary, especially Browner. If you noticed, he was playing off coverage when lined up against Smith. While physical, he and Sherman are not quick, and that is their biggest weakness. I would expect to see more zone than we’ve seen so far this season. A lot of cover 2 (with zone underneath) and nickle. The key IMO, to slowing Brady’s receivers down is to eliminate YAC, because they will get their receptions.

  19. MEhawkfan says:

    Good point, regarding the size/speed differential in the Seahawks DB’s and Pat’s receivers. That is a worry. I was nervous all day about Browner on Smith. It was fortunate Smith missed a couple balls he should have caught. I think Sherman getting in Smith’s head was a huge help.

  20. As of today, the Seahawks are now the #1 defense in the NFL in yards allowed per game. SF is #2.

    Notable is that among the NFL’s top 10 defenses, Seahawks rank worst in penalty yards. Just imagine how good we can be if we clean up those mistakes?

  21. Hammajamma says:

    To your point about C2 with an underneath zone, isn’t that where they shown the most vulnerability? They seem to play the shallow zone well, often dropping Clem, but that intermediate area has been exploited. No revelation, but pass rush is my key to slowing them down. 3rd and 15 over and over.

  22. psoundpowerhouse says:

    We’ll see just how good this defense is this week against the pat’s.
    The whole league is gonna be watching.

  23. Palerydr says:

    IDK all the technical terms but I can agree that NE has smaller quick WR and I believe they are going to give us fits. Brady can be patient and keep hitting the 5-10 yd throws all day waiting for a missed assignment to gash us. Steven Ridley has also given them a run game NE is a really good offense.

    Pabuwal you might have already addressed this but how bout that D! I’m in a real happy place when I think about how good these guys are playing right now. We will need to convert FG into TD’s or no matter how well the Defense plays we are gonna be lookin at the short end of the score.

    Kudos to Pete for pulling Breno and sending a very clear message to the team stop with the stupid penalties! Enough already!

    Lastly I haven’t seen a lot of credit thrown Marshawns way for that 3rd down run that play was just as big IMO as Browner stuffing the WR at the goal line. That was Beast mo absolutely beautiful to watch.

  24. Sparky12 says:

    Kudos to the defense again, a superb performance indeed. Agree with BobbyK about Carp. If he stays uninjured, he will be a beast at guard position. Liked the sip that RW puts on throws, and better 3rd down performance, but still wants to escape pocket too soon. Glad to see Pete and Tom bench Breno Giacomini after his usual bone-headed mistakes, hope it has some lasting effect.

    And last bit not least, loved the last play with the end zone safety, allowing Seattle to punt and gain a better field position. Creative play thinking that worked for a change!

  25. Looking forward to hearing whether Moffitt might start again next week. He was a big part of the successful run game and we struggled a bit to keep that going yesterday. What’s his status??

    In order to open up our offense, we need to force NE to stack 8 in the box to stop Marshawn. Moffitt and Carp both blowing out those D linemen will be the key to getting the offense opened up for both run and pass.

  26. PugetHawk says:

    “The Seahawks turned the ball over three times and had 87 yards of offense nullified because of penalties.” We will need to eliminate these mistakes if we are going to beat the Pats.

    Wilson earned more freedom in the gameplan this week with a solid performance for a rookie.

    Hawks are the second worst team in the league in penalties and it needs to stop starting this week. I think the D needs to really get the pressure dialed in against Brady this week and knock him around. HUGE game.

  27. Dukeshire says:

    Hammajamma – It is abit. But that’s where the balance comes in. All things being equal, the Pats are going to move the ball through the air, so how do you attack the offense without exposing the vulnerable matchups? IMO, that entails forcing Brady to dump it underneath and restrict yards after the catch.

  28. Kelly Jennings, first round pick. Tim Ruskell.

    Brandon Browner, free agent from the CFL. John Schneider.

    What a difference Browner has made. Schneider has added so many good players on defense. If the offense starts putting up 21 points consistently, this team could win the Super Bowl.

    Bruuuuuuuce Irvin is the real deal. His sack and strip was very LTesque. How many times in the past have we watched opposing teams drive down the field in the last minute, while we wish we had a semblance of a pass rush?

  29. Vegas56 says:

    It really was a must-win game and they found a way to win on the east coast. Big step up and huge gut check for the team. They won the war and got a monkey off their back. Kudos all around.

  30. piperfeltcher says:

    16 sacks after 5 games is a huge improvement over last year.

  31. Hammajamma says:

    Irvin is having success moving back inside, a far cry from his preseason form of bull rushing the tackle straight off the edge. I think the coaches have helped him out by bringing a lot more combination and stunt assignments on passing downs.

  32. I thought Browner and Sherman were both great yesterday – Browner hasn’t been bit nearly so much by the PI calls this year as last year, and Sherman is playing at a really high level. He should see a pro bowl this year.

    Pretty consistent pass rush yesterday too. Things really coming together for our defense. As others have said, looking forward to seeing how they fare against an a-level offense next week.

  33. “If anyone watched, Carp looked really good yesterday in run blocking. It boggled my mind that he’s so big and tore an ACL about 10 months ago and yet he’s out there now.”

    I didn’t really watch that – but it’s great to hear. I’ll give credit – you and a couple others called it early that Carpenter should move to guard, and it looks like that was the smart play right now. Great to think we’ll be getting value out of that first round pick. I was worried after the slowish start and the serious injury.

  34. “Irvin is having success moving back inside, a far cry from his preseason form of bull rushing the tackle straight off the edge. I think the coaches have helped him out by bringing a lot more combination and stunt assignments on passing downs.”

    I think that’s right – they’ve been working ways to get him into the backfield that are not just bull rushes. The thing that stood out to me about him yesterday is his speed in tracking down a mobile QB (Wagner too) — normally you think about speed in pass rushing as being meaningful in terms of getting around the pass blockers, but with guys like Newton and other mobile/athletic QBs, having the speed to catch and tackle them, is not to be underrated.

  35. GeorgiaHawk says:

    McGrath calls Giacomini- the serial-momentum killer. Lol.
    Funny, but how painfully true.

    If the Fo doesn’t look for a WR in the first round next year I hope they target a RT.

  36. This tidbit from King’s column this a.m.:

    “15. Seattle (3-2). Bruce Irvin’s on pace for a 14.5-sack season. His speed is impossible to handle for almost any tackle in the NFL. What a smart pick — assuming Irvin can stay on the field.”

    Where you at Mr. Kiper??

  37. mojjonation says:

    I wonder how much Belischmuck pried out of Winslow before they cut him.

    I’d also like to know how many first downs we have given to other teams via defensive penalties. How many first downs we have lost because of offensive penalties. How many of those penalties allowed the opposing offense to come down and score. I know if I look hard enough I can find it. But man it is Monday and it just isn’t going to happen right now.

    And now for the section on complete guessing and speculation:
    I still love the arguement that if Flynn were starting we would be 5-0. How about the Manning arguement? How about the Coples arguement? Keuchly arguement? Ingram arguement? Decastro, Hightower, Mercilus. I bet we would be 5-0 if we had drafted any of those guys instead of Bruce Irvin. I know we have only played 5 games, but I bet we would get credit for maybe a sixth or even seventh win if we traded all our draft picks to land number one and draft Luck.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled facts and stats arguements.

  38. mojjonation says:

    Kiper…and his hair, are complete tools. He has the second stiffest hair next to Jimmy “South Alaska” Johnson. I’d like to see BruBru power rush Kiper and sack his doo.

  39. HawkfaninMT says:

    EEEEKK!!! Draft talk already!?! I feel our first mock draft coming soon! I actually love draft talk. I would prefer the Hawks target a WR in the 1st, RT in the 2nd. Usually(and that is emphasized) that is where the value lies with these positions. But what type of WR to draft? Don’t need a slot. Rice is a the Flanker unless cut. The only way to upgrade on Tate IMo is to draft extremely high in the 1st and I don’t see that happening this year…

    Anyways, lots of time to talk that out in 5 months or so

  40. NYHawkFan says:

    I’m so happy that we appear to be past the injury bug that hampered us for so many years in the past. Moving on to game six and no major injuries to think of that landed guys on injured reserve. If we can keep this up, we will be in ’til the end.

  41. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Seattle’s offense has literally scored only 4 TDs in the last 3 games, 1 of which being Golden Tate’s controversial TD catch against Green Bay. RW3-and-Out is not getting the job done and must be replaced by Flynn ASAP. Open your eyes, people.

  42. NYHawkFan says:

    ACIB – How can you be so negative following a victory? Maybe you need to be the one to open your eyes.

  43. Bruce Irvin currently has as many sacks as SF’s Aldon Smith (4.5), and has more sacks than Aldon Smith had after 5 games as a rookie. Wasn’t that supposed to be the measuring stick, and the “dream scenario” everyone was hoping for when Irvin was drafted?

    Nice job, scouting dept. you struck gold again.

  44. Irvin, Wagner, Wilson, Turbin . . . all very nice picks so far.

  45. GooseRocks says:

    The no huddle was run pretty successfully against the D this preseason. Having our base D, specifically our run stoppers up front not getting much pressure on Brady could make for a long day. Would you start with the Jason Jones/ Irvin package to stay on the field, or does that allow Brady to option to runs? I’d still prefer runs than our bigs not getting consistent pressure.

  46. The thing I’m noticing with Irvin is that he seems to be getting more comfortable on the field. When a guy like that gets comfortable and doesn’t have to think as much all the time, look out!

  47. Didn’t I see Breno back in the game in the 2nd half?

  48. dirtydan54 says:

    Next week Brutal Reality comes to town. Live it up now. Next Monday: Black and Blue

  49. Carlsonkid says:

    I’m impressed Bevel didn’t call any bone-head plays yesterday , finally . Eating the safety was brilliant , although I’m sure that was Carroll’s call . And they finally let Wilson sling the ball around a little . Much better coaching and play calling then what we’ve seen recently ..

  50. Carlsonkid says:

    dirtydan , the only thing that’s gonna be black and blue next week is Tom Brady after our defense gets ahold of him ! I have to assume you haven’t watched the Seahawks D play yet ..

    The Pats will have their hands full trying to move the ball – even as good as that offense is . And never underestimate the impact of #12 !

  51. HawkfaninMT says:

    I would think the pass rush DL will be the base DL… At least Jones in for Branch. That would be my guess anyways. Our Rush Def wouldn’t take that big of a hit in that scenario, and the pass rush would get a major boost. In addition to that, Branch will be gassed and his rush def skills will be minimized if the no huddle gets clicking for Brady.

  52. dstoker32 says:

    While the defense has been phenomenal this season one area they are lacking in is turn overs, more notably interceptions. Both Kam and Earl Thomas almost had pics this week, Kam was a split second late from picking one and Thomas just dropped his. We can’t have these types of failures vs. the Pats. Brady must pay for every poor throw. We are currently -1 in turnover differential. That fact that the hawks have a winning record with the turnover differential is surprising. If we can start forcing some turn overs this defense will be down right frightening.

  53. Goose, maybe we can bring back the Joe Nash “Wounded Knee” defense.

    Anyone remember how he would go down to one knee and fake an injury to give us time to substitute? I don’t know if you can make it work with today’s rules but we saw that Chuck Knox’s trick of hiding a WR near the sideline on a kick can still work.

  54. That intentional safety was right out of Belichick’s playbook, from a 2003 game against Denver. It was gutsy then, and an excellent call by Pete yesterday.

  55. Dukeshire says:

    The Packers no-huddle was so effective against the ‘Hawks because they were able to get them into a sub package that they were able to exploit. As an example, get them into a nickle and run Benson at them. Or, in Dime and bandit, they ran shallow crossers with success. This will be part of the balance Bradley has to strike when putting his game plan together.

  56. HeinieHunter says:

    This years draft is looking better and better; Irvin, Wagner, Wilson, Turbin. ESPN said it was C-. If that’s the case, show me the A draft. For me, this is the most promising aspect of the PCJS regime. I can’t remember a time in the franchise when the team consistently brought in this much young talent talent. PC said he wanted to get faster on defense this year. Mission accomplished.

  57. sluggo42 says:

    It WILL be interesting to see how Gus plans for the hurry up. getting the right blend of size and speed will be key, as well as getting packages ready to sub in and out quickly. Still, I think a key component to the deal is putting the hurt on Brady, and not letting him be comfortable in his pocket. If BB and My Brutha can get right up on their little WR’s and definately shock them off the snap, it can disrupt those quick hitters maybe. Giving Brady more than 3 seconds will get ugly, and I’m not sure we can “plaster” cover these little guys.
    Who knows, maybe Bradley has some “new” type of a revolving zone that hides where players are going to be, or where they are going…

    But their run game scares me not a bit. Nobody runs on us, ever…

  58. So if Flynn gets his shot and bombs or pretty much has similar stats due to the playcalling will all the Haters just go away?

  59. bbnate420 says:

    MauMau, it’s doubtful. The Browns game last year did bring an abrupt halt to the calls for CBJ though. 8)

  60. Interesting to check out the Carolina sports links from this morning. Their fans are just as po’d and discordant as we are, with the angry mob dubbing their QB, “Sham” Newton (and this, one year after he had the best rookie season a QB has ever had) and suggesting they trade him, and others telling them to chill out. At least we’re not the only ones . . .

  61. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    ya nate but if you remember the Tjack haters kept hating.

  62. sluggo42 says:

    lol pdway, its human nature I guess…

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