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NFL supports decision not to overturn Tate TD

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 25, 2012 at 9:32 am with 77 Comments »
September 25, 2012 9:32 am

The NFL put out a press release detailing the league’s officials position on not overturning Seattle Seahawks receiver Golden Tate’s 24-yard touchdown catch on the final play of his team’s 14-12 win over Green Bay on Monday night.

Check out the league’s statement below.

In Monday’s game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

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  1. Boy this is going to be talked about longer than the Vinny Testeverde touchdown….

  2. So the non-replacement replay official could have overturned the call but did not. He saw that Tate had enough of the ball to be considered in simultaneous possession.

    As to the offensive PI, yes it could have been called, but it rarely is in these situations. Didn’t this happen in a Giants-Niners playoff game about a decade ago?

  3. Seahawks win! Seahawks win! Seahawks win!

  4. Macabrevity says:

    This game was pre-decided so that we’ll have to stop whining about SB XL. Poor compensation in my opinion.

    Seems like the media is having more fun with this than they did our SB.

    Is anyone else here wondering what Tom Flores is doing running this offense?

  5. thursday says:

    “So the non-replacement replay official could have overturned the call but did not. He saw that Tate had enough of the ball to be considered in simultaneous possession.”

    Exactly. Honestly, their (the NFL’s) explanation is pretty clear and the opposition should now feel free to stop bellyaching. What Jennings should have done, and then this would all be moot, is bat the ball down. Then no one catches it, game over. But he didn’t, Tate got a hand on it and here we are.

  6. ihatenfl says:

    I was unaware that a player placing his hand on the ball while the other is flailing about was considered poasession of the ball. The NFL is a freakin joke and has total made a fool of itself. Hope you’re proud of your Foot Locker employees you call replacement refs.

  7. Questions, is Wilson height becoming a problem and thats way he rolls out almost every play or is are OL that bad. Second, what happened in the second half with our pressure? Lastly, why did we not try and at least put three pts up before half time, we still had 2 timeouts left, so does that mean Pete is scared to push the ball down field with Wilson? I’ll take the win, but we definately got lucky, unfortunately it won’t always turn out this way and our offense really scares me. Loved the D, loved it, but it looked like they turned it back a little in the second half, except after the punt at the end, then they brought the heat again and it was awesome.

  8. Did anyone exepect anything else from the league? The officiating this weekend was abysmal in pretty much all of the games I watched. The replacement refs are in way over their head and it seems like they are doing a worse job now than the start of the season.

    I’ll take the W, but what really sucks is that all the talk is going to be about the ending, not about the mauling the Seahawks D put on the Pack. Holding Rodgers to only a TD (and that appeared to be a gift resulting from the crappy PI call)? Flirting with double-digit sacks in a half?

    Bottom line, I hope there’s not a lot of celebrating today at VMAC. The team is going to need a lot more out of the O to win consistently. If they’d managed to sustain a drive or two in the second half and put up some points, it would have never come down to a hail mary.

  9. “When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.”

    Emphasis on the first part of the first sentence. It’s not a catch until 2 feet come down. But meatheads like Dilfer and Heath Evans won’t bother to learn all the rules.

  10. rramstad says:

    I think it’s VERY interesting that the replay official did in fact have the ability to overturn the declaration of simultaneous catch on the field, and did not.

    (I had been laboring under the misapprehension that this decision was not reviewable.)

  11. Dukeshire says:

    TruBlu – I’m not convinced it’s a height issue, although it may be. To me, it’s a pocket presence issue. He ought to be able to throw through lanes, even with his height, but he has to be calm enough in the pocket to do so.

  12. HeinieHunter says:

    Naturally, the National Media only see’s the one referees error. There were several calls against the Hawks that could have changed the final score also, but they don’t even bring those up. We in the NW seem to be viewed as outsiders, or red headed stepsons of the NFL not held in any regard like the Golden Boys….NY, Dallas, NE, GB, Chicago who get big ink every year regardless of their records.
    Lets face it guys, we’re on our own up here. Screw em all! Scoreboard Baby! Go Hawks!!!!

  13. chrisj122 says:

    Really they had to make a statement saying this! Ridiculous!

    This is what we are always told “the great teams overcome any bad call, if your team played better it wouldn’t have mattered”

    But because a big market franchised got what they feel is the shaft it’s an outrage. Welcome to what it feels like to be a Seahawk Fan, SCREW any media guys saying this should be overturned!

  14. DreadHawks says:

    If the role was reversed do we get the same reaction nationally?

    If RW is as good as they say, why dumb down the playbook so much?

    Is Bevell really this bad as an OC or did he get lost in the tunnel and miss the 2nd half?

    I like RW but my gut tells me we are 3-0 with Flynn at the helm and no MNF debacle.

  15. JMSeaTown says:

    GV shoulda scored more if they wanted to win. 9 sacks! Damn, that’s what we should focuse on. Bruce Irvin is coming to fruition… Where’s Mel Kiper now?

  16. Autenpus says:

    This was no doubt a questionable call, and a game ender, so I get the uproar. The BS PI call on Chancellor during the Green Bay TD drive was equally a game changer, as was the BS roughing the passer on Wilson’s interception. These were not “questionable,” but terrible.

    Dear National Media: Relax, and give Seattle some credit. 8 sacks in the first half? That’s a story line …

  17. Vancouver_Hawk68 says:

    Good explanation for a change. After watching the replay my thoughts were “darn, this gets overturned”. However, if both players had both hands on the ball as their feet came down and that was the call on the field, the replay sure did not provide enough evidence to overturn.

    Obviously, the offensive PI was blatant and so were a few other calls before in the game (PI on Chancellor and the Rice PI call). However, nothing changes the fact that the Hawks played really well with an upper echelon team. The pass rush came alive big time and the defense looks all world. The offense will have to improve a lot if a deep playoff run is to be considered. I am hopeful in that I see improvement from RW every week. He got sacked only once and not by Clay Matthews. Some of the short comings of the offense in this game were related to the Green Bay defense that came into this game with 11 sacks in two games. Obviously, that needed to be managed. Very few defenses can generate pressure like GB. Let’s take the win and move on.

    This is so much better than the Mora season!!!!

    Go Hawks

  18. Sparky12 says:

    You do have to wonder if the situation were reversed, and the Seahawks were in Green Bay and were the recipients of this bad call and loss the game, would the national outcry be, shall we say, much more subdued? In a familiar Wisconsin term – YAW, YOU BET CHA!!!!

  19. jchawks08 says:

    The NFL has made their statement. End of controversy, end of story. lol!
    Meh, I’m over it. Hawks won and man, I couldn’t be happier about being 2-1. Could be 1-2. How bad would that suck?

  20. shorty10 says:

    Forget the call! There were 12 penalties that were unjustified throughout the game, killing drive after drive by both teams. Week 3 is OVER. We’re 2-1, so now lets go blow up the Rams and go 4-1. People will forget this game when we’re 8-2.

  21. This will be much more scrutinized than the Vinny/Jets game because people love the Packers (it sucks when it happens to them) and people could care less about the Seahawks. There’s a little bit of a double standard at play.

  22. mojjonation says:

    It was stated by several people last night after the game was over, that replay officials can’t determine possession. Therefore they had no choice but to allow the call on the field to stand. The ticker at the bottom of the screen also stated that replay officials do not have the power to determine possession. So give it up on that. Seattle will now spend the rest of the season playing with everyone having one eye on them. Hankies will fly against this team for anything and everything.

    If this was Seattle and the Rams, this would not be a topic of conversation. The NFL has created this monster that is the elite teams getting calls and everyone else having to fight for scraps. They also are to blame for the real refs not being there. So now one of the “Untouchables” gets screwed and all hell is breaking loose. Congratulations Roger Goodell. I hope you slept well last night. I blame Goodell although he is nothing more than a representative of the owners in this negotiation with the refs. If he was smart, he would have figured out how to get the real refs into games before the season started.

  23. shorty10 says:

    Whoops, meant 3-1. Getting a little ahead of myself ;) Go Hawks!!

  24. If the situation were reversed, the media sentiment would be: “Seahawks got jobbed. Oh well, it happens. They should have scored more points.”

  25. Yeah, I’m interested to hear what people are feeling about RW. He looked WAY antsy whether there was pressure or not.

  26. shorty10 says:

    Anybody else think Steve Young is brain dead? I couldn’t understand a thing he was saying. See a doctor, Steve.

  27. mojjonation says:

    If the situation was reversed, Green Bay would be touted as having this remarkable ability to close out tough games.

    Steve Young is just pissed because the game he helped develop has been made into a mockery of sport. The guy has actually passed a bar exam. I just think he was so upset with the call/calls that he was just speechless.

    Billions of dollars in revenue and we have to have gym teachers, Foot Locker workers, and insurance salesmen controlling multi million dollar earning sports players. This is priceless. And it will only get worse before it gets better. The first blown call Thursday night may lead to a riot.

  28. Yes, it was a questionable call but that particular call was not a slam dunk either way. It was the number of questionable calls – and the sheer number of calls period – that to me is most damaging condemnation of the officiating. The call of roughing the passer on Green Bay on Wilson’s pick and the two phantom PI calls on Seattle on the Green Bay TD drive and the phantom first down on the same drive could all have been decisive bad calls. And then there were those holding calls…

    As for Wilson’s height, it is hard to tell if that is the problem or the offensive scheme (the limited playbook) is the problem. If Wilson was missing open receivers or having balls batted down at the line, then it would be obvious…right now I’m not so sure we know that.

  29. chrisj122 says:

    As a Seattle fan I have been told my whole life, and I’m not that young any longer, “The great teams don’t get beat by the refs because they out score the other team, so don’t whine about a call, your team should just play better and it wouldn’t matter.”

    Well now the shoe drops on the other foot to a nation beloved Green Bay team and it’s OUTRAGE! Give me a break, you double standard nation media can suck it!

  30. I think Wilson’s leaving the pocket is partially his height and partially the WR’s inability to get any separation.

    If the WRs could get open on his initial dropback, we wouldn’t have this discussion. But once he finds them covered after he completed his dropback and the pocket starts to collapse (and the throwing lanes disappear) he can not step up and find Receivers due to his height. He has to leave the pocket with the hope that someone works along the sideline with him. But these guys weren’t getting open to start and they aren’t getting open to end the play.

    And like Jackson before him, Wilson is taught not to make tight window throws which makes the situation even worse. I don’t really see this improving unless they find WRs who can gain clear separation and they cut the only 2 that showed the ability to do this.

  31. pabs – good post. but I think Wilson will be coached to stay in the pocket and step up as his reads improve and his instincts adjust to the speed of the game. Right now its all happening awfully fast for a rookie. Neither Flynn nor Jackson could have handled it all this well as a rookie, so I still feel good about what Wilson is able to do at this point.

  32. mrchubbs says:

    Anyone else note that Phil Luckett was the NFL’s officiating supervisor for last night’s game?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/09/25/replacement-referees-packers-seahawks/index.html

    Hmmm.

  33. chrisj122 says:

    Will won’t continue to win with an inept passing game, last in the NFL. This will have to improve drastically. Our offense owes our Defense a big thanks!

    “Great teams always find away to win in the end”!

  34. Trublu – “is Pete is scared to push the ball down field with Wilson?”

    Push the ball downfield to whom? Once the defense took away Rice, we had no other WRs who could get open. Forcing the ball to Tate or Obomanu is just asking for an INT.

    This is exactly why we lost the final two games of last season as well. We won’t be a championship team until we have a championship-caliber split end to line up across from Sydney.

    Until then, I’ll just have to enjoy watching our Defense dismantling the rest of the league. Bring on the 49ers.

  35. HawkfaninMT says:

    Who is a championship calibur Split End?

    Honset question here, not trying to be a smart-alek. What are the qualities of a great split, and what is their job vs that of the Flanker that Rice plays?

  36. Dukeshire says:

    If Wilson needs to extend plays because his receivers are covered, the only effective way is to do so through the front end of the pocket (presuming that’s not where the pressure is coming from, which typically it is not). From there he can run or have the pressure behind him, not still in front of him as he does when he runs out the back end.

  37. freehawk says:

    Was it 9 sacks? I thought 8?

  38. mojjonation says:

    When several of the plays were finished last night, the cameras showed the routes Seattle receivers ran. They were extremely lazy. The way to create separation is to run good routes. Steve Largent was one of the slowest guys to ever play ball but he ran good routes to get away. On a few occasions, out routes were ran in a loop as opposed to making a cut and trying to get away from a defender. I don’t know about you, but I think the reason Seattle receivers can’t get separation is coaching. The short routes are not crisp. Receivers were running loops instead of sharp cuts and not coming back to the ball when it was thrown. That is coaching. Seattle receivers seem to run to a spot and wait for the ball as opposed to helping their QB and coming back, even a bit. Separation comes from talent, but it also comes from effort. For the moast part, our crew of WR’s do not put the effort in to create separation, and I firmly believe that is coaching.

  39. Dukeshire says:

    HawkfaninMT – Typically a SE needs to be able to beat man-press. He’s generally a more physical player than a flanker. He would be someone that can win the leverage battle against the corner. It Tate were taller, in the 6’3″+ range, physically, he’d be close to a prototypical split end.

  40. ateeezzz says:

    As far as the catch goes, the call was right. I did a frame by frame check of the replay. It shows that Tate initially has the ball to his chest with both feet on the ground while the defender still has at least one foot in the air. That’s a catch. Doesn’t excuse the missed call of offensive pass interference but the refs created enough fouls to more than make up for that. All the controversy seems directed at the catch which was a good call.

  41. orbeavhawk says:

    An NFL FIRST!

    Russell Wilson has becomme the first NFL Rookie QB to throw a game winning interception!

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. Dukeshire says:

    HawkfaninMT – Thisnk about guys like Fitzgerald, A Johnson, C Johnson, guys like that.

  43. “If Wilson needs to extend plays because his receivers are covered, the only effective way is to do so through the front end of the pocket (presuming that’s not where the pressure is coming from, which typically it is not). From there he can run or have the pressure behind him, not still in front of him as he does when he runs out the back end.”

    Let’s analyze – I think it’s clear that he is having to extend plays b/c the receivers are covered. Right now, that’s a given. We’ve seen him throw from the pocket when he has guys open. The first TD to Tate, the bullet to Rice on the final drive. You’re making the assumption that he can generally step up into the pocket – but is that a gut feeling, or are you seeing it on replays? Because I can definitely recall times where the rush is coming through there as well. A couple time when he did run successfully it was by picking his way through the traffic in the middle of the field.

  44. I don’t think the offenses issue is the WR’s not getting open (although that’s part of it).

    Wilson will fade back and roll right on 90% of his plays, pressure or not. He has absolutely zero pocket presence. He needs to learn how to move in the pocket, and create lanes from the pocket, not trying to create a lane off the RT every single play.

    The other issue is with the play calling. They’re trying to keep the handcuffs on Wilson cause either he hasn’t proven he’s ready, or they don’t trust him. This needs to change. I’m all for the run first approach but it’s getting too predictable. The result is teams are keying on Lynch. Which opens the PA game, screens, and the short to intermediate routes. They were absolutely freezing the LB’s last night with play action, several times had Miller or Cam open behind the LB’s, but Wilson had already broken the pocket to the right and they got covered up.

    I thought RW showed some growth from game 1 to 2, but he regressed big time last night. That offense was a debacle. I think I’ve got one more game in me watching that. If there’s not any notable growth from him, or increasing patience and pocket presence they need to move to Flynn.

  45. HawkfaninMT says:

    Thanks Duke…

    So a SE is someone that will be able to run a complete route tree regardless of Press or Zone. While having the leaping ability and speed to get deep. Sounds like you named about the 3 I can think of adding in Julio Jones maybe?

    So what is the solution other than to have a top 5 pick? Because that is where all those guys went in the draft. I don’t mean to be snide to whomever started this thread in the comments. But it is fine to say our SE is ineffective. But if there is no way to fix it other than to just say we need a new one it is a little pointless. Is Tate a world beater? I don’t think so. But it is the best we have… right?

  46. Duke I am right there with you on your comments. Wilson’s doing fine but his protection has been spotty. SOmetimes it’s the actual protection, and sometimes it’s that his receivers are not getting seperation so the protection eventually breaks down. Wilson needs to improve in two areas IMO.

    One, he needs to learn to step up in the pocket and go ahead and let it collapse behind him.

    Two, he needs to work on his out route timing to the left. I continue to fear he doesn’t throw well to his left, limiting his effectiveness. Only a matter of time before DC’s across the league start to pick up on this and force the issue.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    pdway – I am seeing that live and re-watching the games. Typically, when he feels pressure from the ends, he leaves the back of the pocket. It’s a terrible habit. Of course when there’s pressure in his face he cannot step up, but I’m not referring to that. You nailed it when you said that his successful runs come from the middle of the field. Can’t do that when you’re outside the numbers. In addition, the further away from the line he runs, the bigger play he needs to make, and more stress on the receivers.

    HawkfaninMT – J Jones is certainly another. And yes, typically great SEs are going to cost draft capital and / or money.

  48. Just out of curiosity can anyone find an example of an offensive PI call on a Hail Mary play in the past. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. Not saying it was the right “no call,” just don’t think I’ve ever actually seen that called anywhere.

  49. doogzz~
    I can’t remember ever seeing such a blatant offensive PI either though.

    It’s a little surprising watching the replays that it didn’t get called.

    Someone needs to teach Tate the meaning of the word subtle.

  50. I think D’s are pushing up through the middle on purpose because of Wilson’s height, forcing him to bail in which he naturally goes right. If this is the case, shouldn’t the coaches scheme for this with the receivers routes and/or start throwing some screen passes or quick dump-offs to the TE? Also, was anyone else frustrated that we didn’t try for at least a feild goal before halftime?

  51. Offensive PI on Jackson in the SuperBowl, wasn’t a hailmary though.

  52. 3rd down conversions, GB 7-15, Sea 2-11. That needs to be addressed imediately.

  53. TruBlu~
    That’s exactly what teams are doing.

    It’s the trademark way to play a short QB.

    It’s how teams finally figured out how to beat Flutie.

  54. Wow! Many got here before I could make my comments about “what if the situation were reversed”, nice job folks!
    Controversial ending aside, we have clearly established ourselves as a VERY COMPETIVE TEAM! Thinking back on the first half of that game is just totally fun! We’re 2-1, arguably could be 3-0 or 1-2… Key is, we are very competitive…. We’ve played 3 strong teams and have clearly made our mark in ability…. We know this, even though we will have to live with the slanted press from this game… Need to stay focused….

  55. I see the same thing as Duke. Wilson could have stepped up a number of times but instead bailed from the pocket. My theory is once the pocket starts to close in, his throwing lanes decline in size and quantity and he has to leave the pocket to see what is going on downfield. A taller QB could remain in the pocket, step up and make the throw. But with these pass catching targets it doesn’t matter because they don’t get open regardless of the time they have.

    I don’t see this problem fixing itself. He’s not getting taller. He is being told not to make tight window throws on his initial drop. These WRs don’t get open so the only throw to make is a tight window throw. They need WRs and TEs that can beat the defense on Wilson’s initial drop. They cut the only 2 guys in preseason that showed any separation.

  56. MarkinSeattle says:

    Duke – The guys you listed haven’t won Super Bowls. I guess a better question is what kind of SE do we need to win Super Bowls (or perhaps a discussion of which SE’s have won Super Bowls recently). I am not saying that it isn’t worth the investment in a good WR, especially going into next year’s draft (since that seems to be the weakest position with the possible exception of QB, which is a TBD). But I think there is a difference between an All Pro WR, and one that is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

  57. On the rec’rs, am I not seeing correctly? On the replays, it almost always shows our rec’rs stop and go flat footed in the red zone. Why aren’t they coming back to the QB or continue to move to open space away from the coverage? I sure don’t remember Largent just stopping flat footed when his QB was scrambling… Maybe it’s just me…

  58. HawkfaninMT says:

    Exactly what I am thinking Mark! Would it be nice to have Calvin Johnson? Of course! But is he what the Hawks need to win a Super Bowl? I don’t think so.

    What they need is a capable split end. Maybe Tate is just that.

  59. LeePHilI says:

    Remember…..the Seahawks are one dropped pass away from being 3-0.

    There is nothing wrong with Wilson. There is, however, something wrong with the play calling.

  60. mojjonation says:

    Smart route running. We don’t have it. It plays right into what appears to be PC’s mentality. Play fast, hard, and sloppy, and for the most part you won’t get caught. The WR’s are running sloppy routes, Wilson gets pressure up the middle, the WR’s stop when they notice that the play is broken, and Wilson has to make something happen or throw the ball away. Our lack of passing offense is a combination of bad line blocking, poor route running, and some mistakes made by Wilson. The kid has a cannon for an arm. He has near running back speed. A punishing ground game. Intangibles better than maybe Luck and RG3, but doesn’t get the confidence from the coaches that the other guys get. As long as they don’t break the line apart and start over every year, something will gel at some point (I hope). It took the running game 8 games to come around. I understand it may be harder for the passing game to come around because it is about more individual parts than the running game. Maybe it will come around before it truly bites us in the butt.

  61. freedom_X says:

    Regarding Wilson, he’s still learning. But one reason I’ve resisted the rookie QB as starter idea is the risk of picking up bad habits. I think that Wilson is bailing out too early and scrambling. And, Wilson is overrating his speed and athleticism. The runs for 20+ yards in preseason are 5 yard runs now. He thought he could reverse his field against Nick Perry and Perry ran him down and sacked him.

    Hopefully he’ll learn that he can’t scramble out of trouble. One problem with that, even if he gets away, is that it halves the field and reduces whatever receiving options he has.

    I actually hoped that Tate would work better in such a freelance environment, but with his injuries, he likely hasn’t gotten that chemistry yet.

    If teams could dial up pressure up the middle at will, they’d do it against every QB, be it Tom Brady, Cam Newton, or Peyton Manning. Pressure up the middle is the ideal situation for a defense. If forcing a mobile QB out of the pocket is good, forcing a immobile QB out of the pocket is better.

    Steve Largent was very, very quick. He had instant change of direction and burst after changing directions. That’s not captured in 40 yard dash times (he ran 4.6 in college, BTW.)

  62. Theefrinker says:

    I think we should be talking more about the call reversal, whereby the call on the field was that Aaron Rodgers did not gain that first down near the end zone. The replay actually supported the call on the field and was still reversed, giving them the first down. Had the call stood, Green Bay would not have even gained a touchdown, barring a fourth down try of course. The fact is, Green Bay didn’t bring great game.

  63. Dukeshire says:

    MarkinSeattle – WRs are ultimately complimentary pieces. And Im not suggesting Seattle needs to draft one in the first, here, but rather simply answer a question. I would also suggest that the players I listed not having a ring is no fault of their own.

  64. Dukeshire says:

    One thing Id love to have an answer to is why they continue to rotste Sweezy amd Moffitt? The protection and run is significantly better with Moffitt, from all Ive seen. Sweezy is getting abused out there.

  65. DanielleMND says:

    If guys get open and make tough catches, Bevell’s playcalling would look a lot better. I’m not defending every call his makes, but look at Minnesota when they had good quarterbacking and big play receivers. A play away from the Super Bowl. The limits on his playcalling here seem to come from Carroll and Cable.

  66. Being a die-hard Hawk fan from Alaska, I loved the game last night. Who cares about the final call. Its a judgement call and the refs decided in Seattle’s favor. Sorry GB, but if you wanted to win, you should have scored more than 12 flipping points.

    The defense was incredible. The first half was about as perfect as you could ask for when it came to the defense. RW’s first TD pass was on the money and thrown with some zip! As for the second half…it was enough to win the game. When you can keep the Packers to 12 points, you have played an awesome game! Congrats Seahawks! Looking forward to next weekend!

  67. People are going crazy about the last play, what about all the other bad calls that could have potentially determined the game. Last play aside, Seahawks took it to the Packers and they need to quit whining about it.

  68. Random13 says:

    Everyone is probably tired of this…but please help me out.

    This site says “Two opposing players receive a ball while both are off the ground,and one player returns to the ground inbounds before the other. RULING: No simultaneous catch. The legal forward pass is
    completed or intercepted by the player who first returned to the ground (Rule 2-2-8).”

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/College-Football-2792/2011/8/football-48.htm

    I’m pretty sure the same holds in the NFL, right? You need two feet down. Because if you freeze the picture, Tate has both feet on the ground and possession and Jennings does not.

    http://www.nonis.com/MNFCatch1.jpg

    It’s not a simultaneous catch….Tate caught it and Jennings tries to wrestle it away. Check it out…and sorry for the poor resolution.

  69. Random13 says:

    Here’s a better resolution picture with Jennings foot in the air and Tate’s derriere on the ground.

    http://www.nonis.com/MNFCatch2.jpg

  70. When its all said and done Tate made on hell of a play,catch or not.

  71. Ewalters7354 says:

    Off the subject real quick…but did anybody see Aaron Rodgers move around in the pocket?That was a thing of beauty.

    I also agree had Flynn been the starter the hawks would be 3-0.Everybody talks about how Russ Wilson went to two different colleges and was successful,yea great. But I also think about Matt Flynn being in a great Packers system for 4yrs.He is so similar to Arod with his movement(just doesn’t have a stronger arm).Looking at the Lions game Flynn stepped up in the pocket,allowing the pocket to collapse behind him and throwing a dart to Nelson.Flynn is the better solution right now.IMO

  72. The Golden Ruling.

  73. Several things piss me off royally about the reaction by fans/media etc to this game.

    First and foremost, when the officiation was obviously tilted for an entire game, during THE most important game in Seattles history, when call after call was made unfairly, and many non-calls (not a single offensive holding penalty the entire game for SHitsburgh) also heavily influenced the outcome of the game, there was far less outrage. Seriously: Seattle gets thier first Super Bowl in 30 years stolen by tilted officiating, and little is said: GB loses an early season game on a bad call, and the WORLD STOPS! (Whats wrong with this picture?!)

    Secondly, Seattle has been robbed on at least TWO OCCASIONS of the PLAYOFFS, not just a regular season game, by bad calls at the end of the game. In one game, they couldnt even get it right with REPLAY! And yet no one cared then either.

    The first time was against the RAIDERS with Jerry Markbreit “officiating” (for some strange reason he almost always officiated Seattle/Raider games, and almost always made terrible calls in the Raiders favor…hmmm…) in the late eighties: John L Williams carried the ball across the corner of the end zone at the end of the game for a TD, and they called him out of bounds, despite the fact that the ball clearly crossed into the endzone in front of the pylons before he stepped out. Replay officials upheld the bad call, NO PLAYOFFS for Seattle. No one cared.

    The second time we were denied the playoffs on a bad call was when Testaverde was tackled on the one and a half yard line, then proceeded to squirm his HEAD (white helmet) but not the ball, into the end zone. Inexplicably called a TD by an official who said he thought the white helmet was the ball–never mind the fact that even the helmet was a half yard short of the goal line for more than a second after the player was down–and we were robbed of the playoffs AGAIN. And AGAIN NO ONE CARED!

    Third, GB’s drives were helped continually by ticky tacky or just plain BS penalties. Not to mention the repeated and continual holding that was never called on GB’s O-line.

    The refs sucked, but until the final play, they did their level best to help GB stay in the game. GB should quit whining, they look worse than Golden Tate right now.

    And no one cares. Because its just too awful that GB lost to South ALaska in a nearly meaningless game for them. The horror!

    I hate winning the game on a bad call, but I would have hated losing due to tilted officiating even more. And thats what would have been the case if they hadnt given Tate the catch.

    Now, was the call correct? Oh hell no! I can see how they called it, and I can see how they were hesitant to overturn it, but common sense and a normal sense of fairness in competition when viewing the play says it was a bad call, it was a pick and game over. Not to mention them missing Tates push in the back.

    But all I have to say is GB, live by the sword, die by the sword MF’s!!!

  74. DanielleMND says:

    “Now, was the call correct? Oh hell no!”

    It’s not a pick or a reception until you come down with it. By the time Jennings’ first foot hit the ground, Tate had his hands in there and his feet were already down. Did he have enough control over the ball for it to really be simultaneous possession? It’s a judgment call either way.

    After watching the play a few more times today, it was a questionable call but not necessarily a terrible one. No matter how they called it, a pick or a TD, there wasn’t enough evidence to overturn it either way.

    It still sucks though that a win came down to a controversial call. But, hey, when have the Seahawks ever been given respect anyway? It’s not like all the non-Seahawks fans screaming bloody murder about a Week 3 game were that outraged when the regular refs stole a championship from us.

  75. DanielleMND says:

    “Off the subject real quick…but did anybody see Aaron Rodgers move around in the pocket?That was a thing of beauty.”

    It’s easy to have time in the pocket when your O-line is holding. When his O-line wasn’t cheating, they were being beat and he was looking flustered.

  76. SEA’s OL needs work – blkg & standing still until the snap.

  77. jzulaski says:

    Here is a link to a Cowboys/Jets game with regular officials that is exactly like what happened in our game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q4ZFs57d-xc

    I cannot believe all the whining from the Packers.

    And most of the media are intentionally NOT seeing that Tate had two hands on the ball too. Yes, as he’s coming down with Jennings, he does re-adjust his grip with his right hand but, then they come down with the ball simultaneously. Tate even gets both his feet down before Jennings.

    What a crock!

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