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Morning links: Seahawks ‘D’ best ever in franchise history?

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 19, 2012 at 7:18 am with 32 Comments »
September 19, 2012 9:41 am
Earl Thomas (29), Marcus Trufant (23) and other Seahawks defenders help force an incomplete pass to Dallas wide receiver Miles Austin (19) on Sunday during Seattle’s 27-7 victory. (KEVIN P. CASEY/THE ASSOCIATED PRESS)

Dave Boling of The News Tribune discusses in his offering today whether this year’s Seattle Seahawks defense is the best ever in franchise history.

Yes, it’s a small sample set only two weeks into the season to consider throwing around the term ‘best ever.’ But it’s certainly worth discussing with how dominant Seattle’s defense has been so far this season.

Boling: Seattle’s best statistical defense was the 1984 unit, which finished No. 6 overall and forced a stunning 63 turnovers (38 interceptions, 25 fumble recoveries), with Kenny Easley (10) and Dave Brown (eight) leading the team in interceptions.

“ Behind the pass-rush efforts of Jeff Bryant (141/2) and Jacob Green (13), they compiled 55 sacks.

Those were the early days of defensive leadership by brilliant coordinator Tom Catlin, who was considered responsible for an exceptional stretch when the Hawks had top-10 defenses from 1990-1992 even though the team was in steep decline.”

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated writes that the NFC West is no longer a punch line, with a 5-1 record outside the division.

Bob Stelton and Dave Grosby of 710 ESPN Seattle talk to Banks about the NFC West in this audio link.

Exonerated ex-high school football star Brian Banks, who had a handful of tryouts with NFL teams – including Seattle – has signed with the UFL’s Las Vegas Locomotives.

Clare Farnsworth of writes that Seattle’s special teams unit set the tone for the team’s win against Dallas with two big plays early in the game.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks’ pound-it philosophy will be tested by the pass-first approach of the Packers.

Matt Bowen of the National Football Post mentions Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas, but ultimately believes that Donte Whitner and Dashon Goldson of the Niners are the best safety tandem in the league that he’s studied on tape.

Some cut-ups of Kam Chancellor’s performance against Dallas.

Elliott Harrison of ranks Seattle No. 16 in his latest power rankings.

Brian Billick of Fox Sports raises Seattle to No. 22 in his power rankings.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland points out that although the Seahawks had only one sack against Tony Romo, they lived in the Cowboys’ backfield most of the day.

Pete Prisco of CBS Sports likes the Packers over the Seahawks on Monday night, 27-27 17. Prisco: “The Packers hit the road for the first time this season, but they do it well-rested after playing last Thursday. They seemed to right some things against the Bears on defense. Seattle looked good defensively against the Cowboys. But this is Aaron Rodgers. You don’t stop him.”

Richard Sandomir of the New York Times pens a nice tribute to Steve Sabol, the president of NFL Films, who passed away Tuesday at the age of 69.

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  1. FleaFlicker says:

    Not a fan of Billick’s opinion. Even if we won the Super Bowl, he’d still put us at #9 in his power rankings. Tosser.

    Yeah, it’s waaaay too early to declare this the best defense ever. It’s week #3 and everybody’s healthy, let’s hope it stays that way. [knock on wood]. Anybody remember 2010 when Red got hurt? Completely changed the complexion (and performance) of the defense.

    Much as I love E.T. and Bam Bam Kam, have to agree with Bowen that SF has the best tandem in the league. Case in point: the hit that Goldson put on Pierre Thomas in the Wild Card round. Knocked Thomas out of conciousness and the game, caused a turnover, and ended a scoring drive on the five yd line. Those boys down in the Bay are bone-crushers.

    Eric, small typo above. The Prisco predicition is 27-17. Packers! No respect, I tell you….Yes, it IS Aaron Rodgers. But let’s look at his last two games: QBRs of 29.3 and 55.1, with a pedestrian 522 yards in two games. Not to mention two picks (after having six all of last season). Rodgers is a great QB, no doubt, but two consecutive opponents have figured out how to contain him. I like our chances on Monday night!

  2. This year’s D is very good, but definitely not up there with the best hawk D of all time yet. In terms of ballhawking secondary, this “legion of boom” defense has potential to be great, but they’re not quite up to elite level yet. And that is directly related to the fact we don’t have 2 established double digit sack masters either. Frankly, we need more pass rush and be more consistent in harassing the opposing QB, along with better push up the middle. We have nothing resembling Cortez Kennedy in his prime. And they also need to stop letting teams go on long drives and convert 3rd downs if they are going to be the best defense in hawk history. That said, I believe it’s just a matter of time. They just need to gel together a little more and have guys like Irvin and Jones step up and get after the QB consistently like Clemons. But last week was encouraging and a great start if we are to beat teams like GB and NE.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    This defense may become *one* of the best in franchise history. But they will not surpass the ’84 group. In fact, the ’85 group was ridiculous as well. Until this group gets to the quarterback with regularity, and after last Sunday there appears to be signs of life there, they will not be as dominant as some previous units.

  4. ChrisHolmes says:

    Boy, does Billick hate Seattle or what? Cowboys at #13 and Seattle at #22? That’s the widest disparity I’ve seen.

  5. wabubba67 says:

    Billick is just a talking head who doesn’t study or research teams (if his take on Seattle is any indication). I remember during Carroll’s first year (when Bryant, Mebane, another big DT that I can’t remember now, and Clemons were on the defensive line), when he still called the group tiny and light-weight on TV…it was as if he couldn’t see or wouldn’t consider the evidence on the field right in front of him. He works to cash a paycheck only.

  6. sluggo42 says:

    Billick is a horses ass, it’s like the NFC west4-0 weekend went in one ear and out the other.
    Our division beat them all, yet he still ranks them all above all of us, cept the 9ers. He is a fool.

    What will bring our current defense into a discussion of comparison with the best, is when we develope a better pass rush. Until then, forget about it. However, if we can get something going soon, it will make the whole defense WAY better. And then, and only then, will this defense be up there into elite land

  7. sluggo42 says:

    The DBs are great now, just imagine if they could cheat a little bit because they knew, just as the opposing QB knew, their window of time had shrunk considerably, and that they needed to get the ball out now, or they were going to be eating some dirt with a big ugly sitting on their face asking them “Can ya feel me?”

  8. montanamike2 says:

    The problem with Billick is he already made up his mind about us and until we win three superbowls in a row he won’t rank us at #1 let alone rationalize that we always seem to “get lucky”.
    We don’t have the best D in our history Yet… but this group is shaping up nicely and very well could be elite, always hoping.

  9. Way too early … The 2004 defense allowed only 13 points in their first three games (including a 34-0 shutout of the Niners), and I and others thought it might be an all-time great defense. Well, we know how that went. This year’s defense certainly looks capable of being Top Five in the league, but they’ll have to put more pressure on the QB to earn that.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    Let’s not get in a twist about Billick, here. We’re talking about power rankings. They don’t mean anything. Zero. Understand, I’m not defending the guy; I think he’s a complete boob. But there things with actual substance to tear him apart for, like his broadcasting, as opposed to some meaningless list. You know…?

  11. Seahawks paid TO $28 per hour?

    How much are the guys on the practice squad supposed to make? About 100 grand or so, right? By moving guys in an out of the PS, the Seahawks are trying to keep them at $28 per hour too!

  12. HawkyHann says:

    The Kam Chancellor cut up video is great. I’m surprised Witten got up after that hit. And boy did he drive D.Murray backwards. Love that guy.

    Look out Finley…he’s going to be really pumped up for MNF.

  13. sluggo42 says:

    the 49ers think they are the only physical team… cant wait for that one..

  14. bbnate420 says:

    You get a minimum of 5,700 $ a week on the PS, so if you were on it for all 17 weeks that would be 96,900 $.

    It’s way too early to grade this defense for the year. I think they definitely have the talent to be right up there as far as franchise history. You also have to be able to put them into historical context to rate them against defenses of the past. You can’t expect them to get 38 ints and 25 forced fumbles. The rules pertaining to DB play and hitting are WAY more strict than they were in 1984.

    The pass rush gave me some hope on Sunday. Plus, there were a number of holds that went uncalled IMO. I know others have mentioned it as well. This is my main area of concern regarding the defense.

  15. RDPoulsbo says:

    Without a pass rush, the 2012 D won’t even sniff 1984. Remember that Green and Bryant were DEs in a 3-4 racking up all those sacks so they could leave 8 in coverage if they wanted to load up on the INTs.

  16. I assumed that RW in a levi’s ad so early in his career would be annoying – – – then I watched it, and just liked him more. I know it’s probably a script that someone else wrote, but he seems like such a grounded dude.

  17. HeinieHunter says:

    I had season tickets for the first 23 years of the franchise and although this team has great potential, it has a ways to go before it gets to where the 84 team was. After watching the Hawks that year, it became clear to me that the most telling stat in football is turnovers. PC is teaching that and his team is seeing that it works. RW is not forcing balls and RBs are not dropping balls. Meanwhile, the D is gang tackling, standing guys up, and ripping at the ball. Just like the 84 Hawks.

  18. HeinieHunter says:

    RW has the kind of attitude that will make him successful in anything he chooses to make his goal.

  19. ChrisHolmes says:

    Wow. How can you not love RW…

  20. bird_spit says:

    I want to buy Levi’s right now..

  21. Wilson will be the best QB in the NFC West by the end of the year.

    Anyone who picks the Packers to win this Monday doesn’t appreciate the home field advantage that the Seahawks enjoy. The Packers do have a chance, but I’ll be surprised if they win. I think the Seahawks will go 8-0 or 7-1 at home and 4-4 or 3-5 away, so they’ll be, at worst, 10-6 this year. At best, 12-4.

  22. Newborough says:

    I discovered football and the Hawks at the same time, 1982 via British TV, so I had the pleasure to watch the 84-85 defense as part of my baptism. I love our current D, but as BBnate already posted, they’re never going to be able to match the interceptions, due to the ridiculous over protection of receivers now. But statistics aside, I think 2012 and 1984 match up pretty good in the defensive backfield. Our current LB corps are still not up to 84 standards, but the signs are good for the future.

    Unfortunately todays D still miles behind the class of 84 in their pass rushing effectiveness (hold the front page…) and I don’t see them coming even close this season. Even Sundays progress could just be explained by the impact of the 12th man.

    I think the current DL has the edge in run-stuffing though, but overall I think we should wait until next season to start making these kind of comparisons Eric. I’m fired up that they’ve come this far, this soon. And we’re still not getting the love from the East Coast media, I guess we have to wait for next year for that too, they seem to have learned to love the whiners.

  23. JMSeaTown says:

    I could care less about the east coast reporters… Their disrespect just adds fuel to the fire. We never win games, teams just play down to our level. Bwahahaha. Keep the fuel coming, Pete loves this for his motivational speeches

  24. @Flea

    #1 Matt Bowen knows next to nada about the Seahawks. #2 It was Whitner that KO’d Pierre Thomas, not Goldson. Get your facts straight. So what? Pierre Thomas is one of the smaller RB’s you will see in the NFL. That hit was also helmet to helmet. Like who can’t knock someone out using that sort of tactic? Seriously. Whitner might even have a slight advantage in terms of lbs.. Whitner has always been a hitter. There’s been a lot of big hitting safeties and even CB’s to come out of Ohio State, going as far back as Jack Tatum.

    Beyond his hitting prowess, there is not a lot that flatters me about him. In fact, I have often thought of both he and Goldson as two of the more dirty players in the league. Goldson very much reminds me a lot of Ken Hamlin. Kenny wasn’t quite as dirty, but both are easily exposed by the same tactic – hard play action. Time and time again you will see those two get absolutely used and abused by it.

    Hasselbeck made both of those guys look silly when he was still here. Yes, noodle arm Hasselbeck > Whitner or Goldson. Scrubs. What’s making them both look “so good” right now is the presence of both Bowman and Willis. That’s whose coattails their riding. Eff Dashon Goldson. I still remember the cheap shot to the knee that he put on Logan Payne, essentially ending his career.

  25. @Flea

    Think Whitner is such a bad ass? Let’s see him try what he did to Pierre Thomas on Lynch. I’ll take odds in Vegas that Whitner leaves the field on a cart with broken neck or at the very least a week long concussion.

  26. jchawks08 says:

    Whoa, easy Sekolah. You mad, bro?

  27. Whoa the Ponys on the Best D talk or youll see a utube video of a Seahawk fan acting like the Dallas guy soon enough.
    The D is good but not yet Great. No Pass Rush, LB’s are still poor in pass coverage and we face a lot of Top TE’s this year.
    Potential to be Great is one thing, but Achieving Great is something else.

  28. @jc

    Yeah. Getting tired of some of this crap that both the media and even some of our fans are saying. Matt Bowen. Like who the hell is this guy? Scrub safety who got paid a boat of cash by Daniel Snyder and then never lived up to it – that’s who. Jordan Babineaux is a better safety than Matt Bowen ever was.

  29. Can’t wait until Oct 18th, the first hawks vs niners game on Thursday night.
    It will be epic.

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