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WR Charly Martin has bruised lung

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 10, 2012 at 10:02 am with 51 Comments »
September 10, 2012 10:29 am

Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll told 710 ESPN Seattle’s Brock Huard and Mike Salk that receiver Charly Martin suffered a bruised lung while diving in the end zone for a Russell Wilson pass on the final drive against Arizona on Sunday.

According to Carroll, Martin stayed in Arizona for further observation.

Asked about this report from Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports that offensive tackle Russell Okung suffered only a bone bruise on his knee during the final drive, Carroll would not confirm that, saying that initial X-rays were negative, and the Oklahoma State product received an MRI today, but he did not know the results.

Carroll also said he’s waiting to see how Marshawn Lynch feels today. Lynch was questionable heading into Sunday’s contest because of back spasms.

Carroll also said that receiver Doug Baldwin lost his two front teeth while diving for a Wilson pass in the end zone on the final drive that also knocked the wind out of him. Baldwin received medical attention on the field after the play.

Update: Baldwin tweeted a picture of the photo.

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  1. Wow, 2 front teeth?
    In regards to Okung vs Ware, NYG seemed pretty successful with motioning their TE to whichever side he lined up on. I’m sure the coaches will take a look at that.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    Wow is right.

  3. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    O.k., I was mad at Baldwin for that dropped game-winning pass. But how mad can you be at a guy who sacrifices this two front teeth to win a game? He gets a pass from me.

  4. Good news about Okung, that it wasn’t an ankle again.

    Baldwin and Martin are gamers, and I hope the injuries don’t deter them from going hard after the next ball.

  5. RDPoulsbo says:

    A bruised lung is going to keep Martin out for a while. Too bad for him. He seems to have been really making strides.

    Even with the WR injuries, I sure hope PC doesn’t make good on this threat to bring TO back into Seattle.

  6. trout_hound says:

    Ouch. I wonder if he was wearing his mouth piece when that happened? Baldwin didn’t look great out there yesterday, but he gave his all on that dive in the end zone. Not an easy pass to catch, and it looked like he landed with his crotch on the ball.

    If I were Pete, I’d be dialing Kellen’s number today and offering 1.5 mil to play for us.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The same Winslow that Freeman had a 46 passing rating last year when he targeted him? No thanks! The last thing that, ( a young QB ) like Wilson needs is a player getting in his ear when he’s not throw to.

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:
  9. sluggo42 says:


    NFL = not for long

    today, watch film. Figure out why some things worked, and why others didn’t. Show Sweez, RW, and others what to do next time. learn, grow, improve. Did we get abused this week? hell ya, but not for long.

    We are an incredibly young team, and need to get shown up a few times by crafty older vets in order for NFL lessons to get burned into our brains. But these lessons last a lifetime, and soon will be used against our opponents, like when we start using some screens/delay draws/slants and such, to make defenses pay for excessive blitzing. Defense will start blitzing more, mixing in some trick stuff too. We still played a fairly vanilla D, and I have to believe there will be much more complexity next week to get some heat on Romo. Kids learn quickly, and can deliver.

    I remain deeply optomistic.

  10. Strategicdust says:

    DbMissin'(his front teeth). Seriously, with that kind of sacrifice, all is forgiven.

  11. I just re-watched the fourth quarter. What I saw:

    1. Russell Wilson is a rare rookie QB who does not play like a rookie. He’s the real deal, but needs some more work and make some over-excited rookie mistakes.

    2. The failure to win the game was a combination of a failure to commit to the running game, some poor play calls, and Wilson’s poor decisions in the final two minutes.

    3. The score of the game was nearly identical to last years end of year loss to AZ, in which Jackson received all the blame even though TJack made fewer mistakes in that game than Wilson made in this one, and had poorer receivers to work with. I blame last year’s loss more on the receivers, this year’s loss more on the QB and play calling by Bevell.

    This was the final drive:
    1. Wilson to Sydney rice dropped at goal line
    2. Wilson lofted a pass to corner of endzone to a well-covered edwards for an inc, while having Baldwin open underneath on a crossing pattern for a high-percentage play. Rookie mistake.
    3. Baldwin drop while getting crushed in endzone.
    4. wilson throws underneath to edwards
    5. lynch run
    6. wilson had lynch open underneath at the goal line, martin open underneath, yet chose to throw again to back corner of endzone to a covered Rice. Rookie mistake.
    7. wilson had edwards upon underneath on a crossing pattern, yet chose to throw again to back corner of endzone to a covered martin. Rookie mistake.
    8. pass to edwards at goal line, incomplete.

    The three passes floated to the corners of the endzone were all lost opportunities. A more experienced QB would likely have taken what he was given underneath. If Wilson overcomes the urge to get greedy, or if Bevell calls Lynch’s number once or twice on that drive, we likely would have won the game.

  12. This seemed like a pretty rough first game for both teams, however you square it beyond Okung & Martin, and not sure (beyond our loss obviously) which team got the worst of it really, since we still have two decent QBs, and Kolb seemed far more worthy than the media-hype would suggest.

  13. streamhawk says:

    I’m sure Wilson’s already dissecting film of all his missed receivers. That really is frustrating so hope he acts on his mistakes against Dallas.

  14. You make a lot of good points there Stevos. I think Wilson is still several notches below where Jackson was to end last year. It took Jackson nearly half a year to get to where he ended the year.

    With the lack of repetitions for Wilson and the passing game this offseason, I’ve been worried that it will take 8 games (and another miserable first half) to get Wilson to where Jackson ended last year and then eventually far surpass him. But who knows, Wilson seems like he can sprint up the learning curve much, much faster. Maybe he can do it in 4 games.

    But because Carroll is in year 3 and not in year 1, Wilson doesn’t have much time.

  15. The players are prob beating themselves up about not finishing the game the way should have as much as we are.. A few drops away from a win and a decent debut for the rook.
    The coaches need to get them ready for Dallas. Watch the film, correct the mistakes. Come up with a game plan to counter the blitzing RW will most likely see moving forward.

  16. “This was the final drive:
    1. Wilson to Sydney rice dropped at goal line”

    So Rice dropped it and set up a 2nd in 10? Or did the team gain yards on the play AND get a 1st down on the pass interference?

  17. yakimahawk says:

    Even with our HORRIBLE pass rush and a average at best AZ offense our Defense is #3…I know it’s early!

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- Here is one article explaining why Bradley handed over the play calling to Wagner in camp.
    It’s kind of scary when he says that they are force feeding him to speed up his learning curve.

  19. At least Wilson has something that Jackson didn’t – potential to be good.

  20. BobbyK – yes, (some of my text didn’t copy into my post)

    1. Wilson to Sydney rice dropped at goal line (an extremely-hard-to-catch ball, while getting mugged. AZ penalty advanced the ball)
    4. wilson throws underneath to edwards (AZ penalty advanced the ball)

    So, no I wouldn’t blame Rice for the loss at all. His two drops on the day were balls most receivers would not have gotten their hands on. I thought Rice was awesome yesterday.

  21. pabs – You can’t be serious that Jackson was that much better last year at the end of the season than Wilson is now? If being good at the end of the season were important, then Flynn would be starting. You get really hypocritical sometimes.

  22. Stevos – Good call.

  23. Good work, Stevos, thanks for closer outline of how it went in fact on the final drive yesterday. I’m worried about the O-line almost like last year still, altho O-lines are often a bit dicey on even the best teams this early in season: witness the Patriots having O-line issues early too, & heading our way all too soon.

    Speaking of pancaking and losing your front teeth; got my nose mashed up real good in h.s. football as an O-lineman 50 years ago in Ohio (2 surgeries required). But I didn’t lose two front teeth, like so many did back then. One of our sons is a dentist, 50 years later now, and wouldn’t that be interesting though, if I’d lost those teeth like Baldwin, and him peering in my mouth like he does now and muttering what a sketchy replacement job on those two front teeth they did back then. And me saying something like that’s the way it was for everyone in those days, son: count your blessings.

  24. I would bet Wilson is better by midseason than Tjack can ever be. Right now, he’s still making over-eager rookie mistakes, but I think he’s an elite athlete with elite QB potential. I’d never say that about Jackson. I was merely commenting on how Jackson was a magnet for all the blame after the team’s poor performances last year. This year it seems that people already are noticing there is enough blame to go around.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think this team will be fine. They are just so young at some of the most important positions.

    I wouldn’t trade this team for last years team or the year before, and those two teams where fighting for the playoffs up until the end of the season.
    I hate to say this, ( and I hope it doesn’t come true ) but this team could finish 6-10 and still be better than the last two years.

    The NFC west just keeps getting better, and we play some very good teams this year outside our division that may not be as banged up like some of the teams we faced last year.

    It still wouldn’t surprise me if they go 10-6, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they go 6-10.

  26. Flynn was “good” in a completely different system under completely different circumstances. Jackson was playing well in the final 8 games in the Seahawks run-first scheme with a very poor set of WRs and a backup OL. Jackson also faced far tougher defenses than what Flynn has ever faced in his 2 starts. In Flynn’s case, coming to a new team meant starting over and he looked every bit the new QB in preseason and practices.

    If Flynn was given a year, he would be at the level Jackson was to end the season (88 QB rating). Problem was, that’s as far as Flynn will ever get.

  27. Stevos, I agree with you: we finally have some real QB hope in that Wilson, at the least, is going to be fun to watch if for nothing else than he’s not going to be cowed by however big and fast it is at this level, as enough of his own and other players have already made clear. As someone dumb or lucky enough to have watched this team pretty closely for all its history really, I’ve never seen a QB here like that, and with so much ability to get better so quickly, and to make other teams pay. I’m feeling that sure about him already, which of course is stupid, because he could be brain dead (heaven forbid)or whatever could happen on the field…and we’d still be out here somewhere in the Siberia of the NFL. But I don’t think he’ll be boring and I also get the feel that he’s sturdily built for his size and very durable, both inside and out. So it’s hopeful, but I would feel better if Okung comes back soon and it’s not a premature return.

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Here we go again with the great Jackson was better than Flynn was, wilson is better than Jackson is, Flynn is better now to start Debate.

    Guys, it’s very tempting for me to throw Hasselbecks name into this just to see how far it goes. Lol.

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think it has to be emphasized that Wilson is a rookie that will make rookie mistakes. The pared down playbook is also something you just have to deal with when you start a rookie QB. There’s a lot of fire Bevell posts in the previous thread for conservative playcalling, but in reality it’s all what should be expected, especially with the 3-way QB competition that cut into Wilson’s reps with the 1s. The playbook with gradually open up and Wilson will learn from his mistakes, but no one should pretend the early going isn’t going to be rough.

  30. Georgia, I would agree with that. Looking at our schedule, its entirely possible we’ll be 3-5 or 2-6 over the first half of this season, while still becoming a better team than we were last year.

    I think by starting a rookie we might lose an extra game or two in the first half of the year, games that a more experienced QB might have won. (and we just lost one of those.) Meanwhile, I’m thinking that Wilson may become good enough to win a game or two in the second half of this year that most QBs couldn’t win. We’ll see. Patience is a bi&c#.

  31. With all this talk of QB’s & ratings I calculated RW’s numbers if he had just 2 more completions for 20 yds & 1 more TD. It would have been an 80 rating. I think it’s safe to say the WR’s let him down a bit….

  32. Brees had a 70 rating yesterday. Do the Cards have a better D than the Redskins?

  33. chrisj122 says:

    I feel bad for Baldwin and take back all the nasty things I said about him yesterday. OUCH!

    I’ll bet he would sacrifice his grill again for another shot at catching that pass.

  34. pabs – What color is the sky in your world?

  35. The silver lining here is that Baldwin has a teammate that knows where to get a fancy new smile!

  36. Dukeshire says:

    “Flynn was “good” in a completely different system under completely different circumstances.”

    This is blatantly false. Seattle and Green Bay are not “completely different” systems. They are variations on the same WCO system. Pittsburgh and Seattle are completely different systems.

    – Flynn said he felt comfortable with the offense going over things with offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, and believes it will be an easy transition.

    “They run a similar type of West Coast offense,” Flynn said. “That’s kind of what I’m used to.” -

  37. seahawk44 says:

    Seahawks current state of WR’s:

    Rice : good to have him, but everyone is just wondering when an injury will come.

    Edwards : good to have him, but gotta make the clutch plays.

    Tate : Out Status while recovering from injury.

    Baldwin : Banged up and toothless and seemingly out of rhythm from missing entire preseason.

    Obomanu : I saw him on the field, but he disappears when he is on offense.

    Martin : Bruised lung, status unknown.

    Okay …… what now? Does anyone know if Butler signed with anyone?

  38. seahawk44 says:

    I guess Lockette is still on the practice squad as an option.

  39. The term “system” was poorly used but the philosophies are completely different. Carroll is stuck in the 80s with a run/run/pass Chuck Knox mentality while McCarthy is clearly willing to open it up early and often. In this era, I contend passing on obvious passing downs and running on obvious running downs puts far more pressure on the QB. And that’s Carroll’s approach to offense.

    And Flynn had been with GB for several years, with the same coaches and the same surrounding cast. The benefit of continuity and a Coach that would work around his physical shortcomings helped him immensely. He joined a new offensive philosophy in Seattle and a cast of players that changes weekly.

    Without the physical abilities, it was going to take Flynn time to reach his potential with Seattle. He was like a Rookie in many ways. Not only did he have to adjust to the vastly different philosophy, but he also had to build chemistry with new teammates. And that ceiling was where Jackson ended last season.

  40. I think the most important thing with the WRs isn’t signing another guy, its getting Edwards and Baldwin practiced up and in better synch with Wilson.

    Also getting Tate back will help as long as they don’t expect him to succeed with deep routes from split end but instead encourage Wilson to look for him as a dump-off option near the LOS (something Wilson needs to learn to use effectively).

    I think the Charly Martin loss is a tough one. He was racing downfield on special teams and using his quickness to make plays in 4-WR sets — things we used to expect from Obomanu but didn’t get enough of. I hope Charly is back soon.

    I really don’t see bringing back Lockette or Butler being the answer. I think the guys we have need to step up. That said, there was absolutely nothing wrong with Rice yesterday. But he can’t win games by himself.

  41. Dukeshire says:

    If you want to argue play calling, fine. But the systems and philosophies in GB and Seattle are both rooted in Walsh’s WCO, to the point where even many of the terminologies are the same. So again, your “vastly different philosophy” comment is incorrect.

  42. Philosophy is more than just play calling. Carroll and McCarthy have different goals and different means of achieving their goals. That’s philosophy.

  43. Dukeshire says:

    Spin it however you like, but both Carroll and Flynn have noted that Seattle and Green Bay’s philosophies are similar. Moreover, even a cursory viewing confirms that their offensive concepts are quite similar. Sorry, but your complaints have to do with play calling, as you’ve described it.

  44. lol. what would a monday be without a good argument.

    The last question Pete Carroll was asked in his press conference just now was whether signing Kellen Winslow might still be an option at this point. Carroll said all options are on the table.

  45. Dukeshire says:

    Even when he’s 100% wrong, he’ll argue he’s right.

  46. A question posed to Mike McCarthy about his Offensive Philosophy:

    Q. Are you a ball-control guy, an attack guy, a schemes guy? How would you describe your philosophy of offense?

    A. We have to be capable of all the components in your question, but our starting point is to attack. We have an up-tempo philosophy, and from the first day we get together, our goal is to run as many plays as possible. Specifically, we want to run more than 72 plays a game and if we do that, we feel our offense is going to be extremely productive.


    Is Pete Carroll an attack guy? Is Pete Carroll up-tempo? Does he want to run as many plays as possible? Does he look to run 72 plays a game?

    NO, NO, NO and NO!

    McCarthy defines and discusses philosophy as a broader line of thinking on how he defines his goals and how he achieves them.

  47. I think pabs has two posts above. Actually, I know so. But I think my life will be more stress free if I just skip most of what he has to say. That’s what I’m doing. I don’t think I’ll probably be able to keep it up in the future, but I’m proud of going to the next subject/blog topic knowing I skipped those two. lol

  48. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby asks a great question: What color *is* the sky in your world? You make a blatently false statement and rather than own it, you find a convoluted way to rationalize it. Perfect.

  49. Even when presented with clear evidence you were wrong, you turn it around. No wonder why it took you one year to acknowledge you lost that bet (and its the last bet we will have).

    How long will it take before you admit Wilson is better than a “journeyman / backup”?

    Let me guess, never?

  50. HeinieHunter says:

    I would have like to have seen Butler in the red zone yesterday. If nobody signed him, PCJS should take another look. We need some help with receiving

  51. Dukeshire says:

    I’ve addresses that second part several times.

    As for your first paragraph, it’s now clear you view things beyond a myopic scope. You simply don’t understand what you are saying from either the point of your opinion or defense of it. I can’t be bothered with your foolishness any longer.

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