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Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 24, 2012 at 8:02 am with 116 Comments »
August 24, 2012 8:02 am
Denver Broncos' Ryan Harris, right, blocks Seattle Seahawks' Bruce Irvin, left, in the second half of an NFL football preseason game, Saturday, Aug. 18, 2012, in Denver. (AP Photo/Joe Mahoney)

Good morning folks. I’m in Kansas City now and will be heading over to Arrowhead Stadium this afternoon after another pit stop for BBQ. I’m taking recommendations, so if you know of a good spot here let me know. I already stopped by Arthur Bryant’s for a late-night snack on Thursday.

Here are five things to look for as the Seattle Seahawks take on Kansas City in the third exhibition game.

Get the end zone: For a number of reasons, whether it’s been dropped passes, settling for what the defense has given them or a lack of execution on third down, the first unit offense has not scored a touchdown in two preseason games. That streak needs to stop today. Seattle’s starters need a couple sustained drives that finish with touchdowns in order to build some confidence heading into the regular season.

Prime time opportunity for Wilson: Rookie quarterback Russell Wilson finally gets his chance to play with the starters in exhibition play, with potentially the starting quarterback job riding on his performance. Wilson will have to fight trying to do to much to make the most his first start. Wilson needs to just play within himself, but also if there is a chance to make a play down the field, either with his arm or with his feet, he has to take it.

Wide receiver roulette: Which receivers in crowded competition for a roster spot are going to standout and makes plays on Friday. Will it be Braylon Edwards again, who I believe is having a strong camp? How about Terrell Owens making up for a poor performance against Denver? Deon Butler continues to be a solid contributor, and Ben Obomanu also should get some run as well. And will Kris Durham or Ricardo Lockette seize the moment tonight. There’s definitely some storylines to watch there.

Get Irvin going: He’s been in the backfield a couple times, most notably the hit against Peyton Manning last week, but for the most part we have not seen rookie first round draft pick Bruce Irvin creating havoc and making plays. Part of that is Irvin hasn’t had a lot of opportunity because of the substitution scheme, and Seattle has played pretty vanilla and not implemented any of the team’s pressure packages. I’d like to see that change today in order to give Irvin some confidence heading into the regular season.

No injuries: The starters likely will play the most reps during exhibition play today, so Seattle needs to make sure they get through the game with all their frontline players healthy and ready to go for the team’s opener in Arizona on Sept. 9. Get you’re work in, play well and then get out.

Here’s my advance on today’s game, focusing on Seattle’s running game. The Seahawks are averaging 181.5 yards a contest in exhibition play, third-best in the league.

ESPN’s Mike Sando gives us six thoughts on the quarterback position.

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports writes that the Seahawks can finish as high as 10-6 and take the NFC West in this camp overview.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com writes that Pete Carroll has good things to say about tight end Anthony McCoy, despite the perception of the USC product. Carroll: “He does have really good hands. There’s been times when he’s coming up, getting ready to play NFL football, that he hasn’t been able to keep his concentration that’s needed to catch the football. But he’s on it now. His attitude that he brings and his effort every day is just really, really positive. I’ve never seen him so full of spirit and the kind of mentality that he has. It’s infectious. He’s been a real good factor for us. I’m really excited for him.”

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times writes that Carroll is not afraid to play rookies.

Nate Davis of USA Today provides a nice overview of Trent Dilfer’s comments on ESPN last night during the Titans-Cardinals game about how Matt Hasselbeck pulled him out of a deep depression when he lost his 5-year-old son, Trevin, to heart disease. And how Hasselbeck is helping to mentor Jake Locker in Tennessee.

ESPN’s John Clayton ranks Seattle’s quarterback situation at No. 27 in the league.

KJR’s Mitch Levy talks with Seattle defensive coordinator Gus Bradley in this audio link.

Bob Stelton and Dave Grosby of 710 ESPN Seattle talk with Seattle offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell about Matt Flynn’s situation with his sore arm.

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  1. Soggybuc says:

    Concerning to see that Lynch is having back spasm trouble again.

  2. Palerydr says:

    Agree with your points Eric I would like to add I want to see Irvin and Clemons both win some one on ones. These are situations that don’t require scheme to win and I wanna see em both dominate their man at least once all game would be much better. Irvin to prove up on his potential and Clemons to earn his money. I also am a bit concerned about the #2 secondary not sure we have depth there.

    KC will game plan tonight so RW can expect the ends to contain rush, see some blitzs from the A gaps and a spy to limit his running. Hope he practiced making his reads from the pocket this week.

  3. bird_spit says:

    Every time hawks play in KC I always remember the rainiest game that I can remember. The rain was so bad, you could hardly see. There were waterfalls in the stands. It was a mud game, and hawks could not move the chains.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/scoreboards/1998/10/04/recap.kansas_city.seattle.html

  4. Dukeshire says:

    It’s unlikely we’ll see it tonight, but I’m interested to see how they use Irvin one the regular season. That is, how the find ways to get him in space. I’d like to see them use Irvin standing rather than always with a hand in the dirt and moving from 5-tech to “7″ when the TE goes in motion. Things like that.

  5. So, somehow we are at the point in this QB evaluation process where we give a Rookie QB one half to win a starting job and base the final decision off that one half?

    Jake Locker’s performance last weekend and this weekend shows the folly in that line of thinking.

  6. Soggybuc says:

    I remember that shot on TV of water about 4 inches thick cascading down the stairs at Arrowhead.
    Irvin will be fine, expect him to have a slow start. most of the tackles he will face are veterans who should by all rights make it tough on a rookie pass rusher.
    I think it will be mid season until you start to see him really making things tough on the opposition. Wish big Walt was there to school the rookie up.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – So what are you saying now? That Wilson can’t earn the season start with a strong performance tonight? And any decisions made will be based on the cumulative of OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, preseason games, classroom work, and the like. Surely you realize that…

  8. Palerydr says:

    So are you saying Lockers performance was poor last night Pabuwal? If so then I disagree he noticeably moved his head going through his progressions and looked in command overall. He did have some accuracy issues however not bad enough that the WR’s were dropping passes.

  9. Soggybuc says:

    I think it’s going to come down to smoking some weed while they play a game of spin the bottle while listening to some Grateful dead.

  10. lol soggy

  11. raymaines says:

    My list of things I do and don’t want to see in Pre Season game #3

    What I want to see:

    1) A little bit of pass rush would be a good thing.
    2) Solid special teams play.
    3) RW in total control of, and playing within the offense.
    4) MF lighting it up in the second half.

    What I don’t want to see:

    1) RW scramble or freewheel.
    2) Brain dead penalties.
    3) Lost receivers with slippery hands.
    4) Seahawk turnovers.

  12. Locker’s performance was good last night and poor the week before. I think last night is more representative of what his career will be. The Titans named Locker the starter even after last week’s poor performance so they must feel the same way.

    If Wilson plays strongly tonight, I think he will win the job. If he plays poorly then it brings everyone back in the mix. The first preseason start for a Rookie QB should carry minimal weight in naming the starter so his performance tonight should not seal the decision – under normal circumstances.

    But that’s clearly not going to be the case, so I have to assume that that his performance up to this point got him in the mix while tonight “makes it or breaks” it. The last point should never be the case for a Rookie QB.

  13. NWPoseidon says:

    Wilson would be winning the job on more than one game performance, he has earned this opportunity for his play in practice, the games and defeating every obstacle they have placed in front of him. The exact argument about “this is all coming down to picking a QB on one game” can be applied to Matt Flynn too. Except if you reward Flynn for his performances but ignore Wilson’s then you are not doing your due diligence to make it an apples to apples comparison. Pete’s core theme is competition and he would be a hypocrit to not give a player a chance when they have played their way into the picture. Once he becomes a hypocrit he loses the respect of the players and that is more detrimental to the team than either QB losing a few snaps.

    On Irvin. I think everyone is being too harsh. I believe PCJS see Irvin as their secret weapon and no one reveals that during warm ups because then its not a secret anymore. Right now no one really knows what the kid can do and if they can make it seem like Irvin is in over his head then no one will game plan for him and he will have better opportunities to succeed when the games count. I believe their is evidence to him being held back based on the motor he has shown in the games. We know he is a high motor guy, he chased Marshawn down from behind in practice and at WVU he was known as a high motor guy. So far in preseason he seems to be just dipping his toes in the water and getting acclimated to his surroundings. If he is using this as an opportunity to study his environment in the games then this could propel him to a legit rookie season as far as pass rushers go.

    Just my 2 cents.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Flynn will win the starting job. Jason La Canfora has pretty much said it, so it has to be true.

    He also said that the Seahawks
    sound an awful lot like the 49ers’ template a year ago.Lol.

  15. Soggybuc says:

    If you want to point to JPP and Aldon Smith and claim that is the norm for a rookie pass rusher you are forgetting that the Giant’s have been a PR phenom every year that Coughlins been there and Smith had a defense that was loaded top to bottom and a threat from every quarter.
    Temper you expectations because I don’t expect Bruce to rack up 18 sacks this year.

  16. I get so sick of hearing the comparison between the hawks and 9ers. As in, the hawks are copying the 9ers…such BS. PC had to rebuild a terrible team and is doing it his own way, whereas harbaugh was gift wrapped a talented team that had poor coaching. Just because they both have a good ground game and solid D does not mean hawks are copying….grrr that boils my water

  17. Echoing Sando’s points a bit – - it’s really much more on time career-schedule-wise for Flynn to get the shot at a starting QB job. It’s not about paying dues, it’s more about being around the NFL game for a few years, playing in some real games, and being at the point in his career where if he doesn’t start now, he likely never will. Rookie QB’s (I know there are more and more exceptions of late) aren’t expected to start. All that said, if Wilson is the better QB in Carroll’s mind, then I’m fine with it. And I also agree that if that happens it won’t be b/c Flynn had the opportunity and flubbed it, it will be b/c Wilson’s play exceeded expectations.

  18. jchawks08 says:

    So the ‘Hawks play tonight? Are there any specific position battles that we should be keeping an eye on? :D

  19. raymaines…. I’d add no serious injuries to your list…

  20. Soggybuc says:

    Copy no! but Pete and Jim do have very close philosophies in that they both want strong run games and Tenacious D’s
    I watched a lot of Stanford games and Jim would sometimes roll out 2 tackles at TE and put a guard at FB for his “big package” in other words it was FU i’m running and you WILL NOT stop me.
    Tonight will prove once and for all if RW is the “Pick of Destiny”.

  21. HawkfaninMT says:

    Hey MT folks… Anyone know if the game is NFL Network blacked out again? I still have yet to be able to watch a Hawks game as it happens and it annoys the buhjeebuz out of me.

  22. JMSeaTown says:

    I stopped some drool running down my face watching AZ’s oline. Irvin has had to play vanilla w/o Jason Jones… I’ve seen him doing more bull rushing. The coaches havent really allowed him to stunt as much as he’d like to.

    The way I see it is the less tape our opponents have on Irvin, the less they have to plan for stopping him. Love our D, go Hawks!

  23. pdway…

    Do rookie QB’s not start? If they’re less than 1st round draft choices, must they be tutored?

    Flynn was signed before they drafted Wilson. I think it’s quite evident who has more upside, but time will tell.

    I’d be very comfortable with Flynn managing this team if they didn’t get Wilson, but since they did…he’s THE guy!

    And raymaines…you don’t want to see him roll out? Give me a break.

    I say if he leads the 1st team to 17 pts or more, he’s THE guy.

    He’s had 10 possessions so far that have resulted in 6 scores (5 tds and a field goal). If he does similar stuff tonight, this QB competition is over and Flynn better be ready to go any time (in case of injury) but also get used to carrying a clipboard…again.

    GO HAWKS!

  24. NFL.com is still selling the rest of the preseason for $15. The quality is good but the framerate is low which means you are watching a good picture that is choppy. It does make it a bit harder to follow the passing game.

  25. “It’s not about paying dues, it’s more about being around the NFL game for a few years, playing in some real games…”

    By that reasoning, T-Jack should get the start this year, and that’s why Sando blogs about football.

    It IS about the player’s ability to lead this team to the Superbowl…The FO if picturing RW making game-changing plays when it counts…and otherwise minimizing mistakes so we’re in a position to win at the end.

    If RW shows more potential to be that guy, and everything else is fairly equal, he wins. It’s that simple.

  26. yakimahawk says:

    @HawkfaninMT Hey MT folks… Anyone know if the game is NFL Network blacked out again? I still have yet to be able to watch a Hawks game as it happens and it annoys the buhjeebuz out of me.

    I know it carries on FOX and FOX NW…If you have Direct TV there are in negatiation with them so it will be blocked out tonight. Here in the NW all pre-season games are on FOX not NFL network. If this goes on for a while the only way we can see every HAWKS game is to buy the NFL Sunday ticket. And yes I agree this is truley maddening..

  27. “Do rookie QB’s not start? If they’re less than 1st round draft choices, must they be tutored?”

    Used to be, they almost never did. These days, they seem to more and more. Normally, it’s a real high pick, with a team that’s not realistically looking to contend for a playoff spot (like Luck in Indy, or Cam in Carolina last year), which isn’t where the Hawks are right now. But, I’m not going to predict what Pete is going to do anymore, and Wilson does seem like a special player so far. I guess overall, I’m still ok w/trusting in PC’s judgment on this one . . .I’ll root for either guy.

  28. yakimahawk says:

    But I did not know you could buy the pre-season games on NFL network…I am such a rookie…

  29. Soggybuc says:

    I’m a big fan of the sit and learn camp, the one thing you hear from every rookie when asked about what is the biggest difference from college to the NFL is always “the speed of the game at this level”.
    Wilson is good! really good! but how good will he be if he takes a year or two learning from the guy who sat learning behind Rodgers who sat learning behind Farve?

    HEH, by godwins law I win because I invoked the F word.

  30. Its not NFLN, its NFL.com through the internet. Its live while the NFLN tape delay will be 4 hours after the game ends.

  31. yakimahawk says:

    SEA@KC Friday 8:00 PM Unavailable live in local team markets. This game will be available in the NFL Preseason Live archives following the conclusion of the game broadcast.

  32. I have heard a lot of posters say we’re not playoff caliber this year. I don’t get it.

    We have a top 10 (or better) defense.
    Our pass rush will be better this year with JJ and Irvin.
    We have a top 10 running game with probowl Lynch and M-Rob and we’re loaded with talented depth including the Turbinator.
    We have a nasty OL coached by one of the best OL coaches in the league.
    We are solid (and possibly elite) at TE this year.
    We have Rice, TO, Edwards, Baldwin, and Tate at WR. They may not be elite but they’re going to make plays.
    We have either a solid game manager in Flynn or a potential franchise QB in Wilson.

    We have solid coaching end-to-end….and great homefield advantage.

    One big question mark is special teams coverage…

    I’ll be disappointed and feel like this team underachieved if we don’t make a playoff run THIS YEAR.

  33. yakimahawk says:

    pabuwal
    It’s not shown for 4 hours after the game ends? What is everyone else watching?

  34. jboard1 – agree completely. Harbaugh did not “build” the 49ers. That just gives me another reason to want to pound the 49ers this year.

  35. Most of these guys are local. Others like myself put down the money to watch it live on NFL.com although I will probably wake up early tomorrow and watch the recording on NFLN to make sure I don’t miss anything.

  36. Soggybuc says:

    I’m with Audible, everyone is 0-0 right now and the trophy doesnt get handed out based on what Jason LaCanfora, Pete Prisco or Mike Sando think!
    It’s why you play the game! Any given Sunday!

  37. WiscCory says:

    I heard the Dilfer comment last night, and almost teared up. Guess that’s the father in me.

    Hasselbeck and Dilfer are truly class acts. If you haven’t read the USA today link, it’s a must.

    The leadership from the QB position we had in the early-to-mid 2000′s is unparalleded.

    That’s the one thing Wilson is missing out on – the leadership influence. When Wilson came to UW last year, he stepped right in and immediately became the locker room leader. I don’t question he will do that in Seattle from a “football” perspective, however it’s the “man” perspective that he may need time to develop.

    Hmmm, that got deeper than I intended.

  38. yakimahawk says:

    That is what I mean how do I get it on NFL network?

  39. Yo Eric -

    I’m a day behind on your blog. Your post yesterday – Players Making Their Mark on the Roster – was excellent. You left out the TEs, and I’m curious what you think of the TE competition.

    Cooper Helfet was there once again in the photo on the blog, and he played as much as any TE I saw in late-camp practices – yet I never hear him talked about. Has McCoy played his way onto the 53? Cameron Morrah missed a lot of time due to being nicked in camp, but he was really coming on last year. And then there is McGrath, who seems to be a fan favorite.

    And what’s the chances the Seahawks keep 4 TEs (would seem prudent given Winslow’s bad knees and Cable’s desire for 2-TE sets).

    Thanks.

  40. WiscCory says:

    BTW – If Harbaugh is able to resurrect Moss, he should be mentioned in the same breath as Belichick. Like it or not.

    Time will tell.

  41. I believe we’re a play-off team, regarless of who is the QB between Flynn and Wilson.

    I’m not at all on the “Bruce is a bust” bandwagon (I think he’s going to eventually be a good Leo), but I doubt his lack of production (in ONLY 2 pre-season games) has anything to do with being “vanilla.” I doubt the Texans are mad at Mercilus making plays or the same for Ingram with the Chargers or Coples and the Jets. They have looked good so far and I’ve never heard of teams making sure their guys play so nobody notices them in the pre-season.

  42. The way the Cardinals O line looks right now, Irvin and Clemons could both have their best games of the season on opening day.

    (maybe we can trade them one of our backup tackles for a second-round draft choice and a pro-bowler! lol!)

  43. Flynn has done nothing exciting to stake a claim to the gig. He has not seized his opportunity. As a result, he’s left the door open for DangerRuss Wilson to steal the job out from under him. I felt from the very beginning that Flynn’s lack of mobility was going to be a negative in the end. If neck and neck, the edge must go to Wilson due to his ability to extend plays and pick up yards with his feet. SEA does not have NE’s O-line, allowing a QB to stand back there for hours to make throws. Things will break down, and Wilson can bounce before taking the sack that Flynn would. That’s priceless.

    Just like Gruden predicted, Russell Wilson will take the gig tonight and won’t look back people. And just watch as he becomes the only rookie in the 2012 class to lead his team to the playoffs.

  44. yakimahawk – if you get NFLN on cable or dish, you can watch the game delayed at Midnight PT. If you want to watch it live or don’t get NFLN, then you need to shell out the cash to The Man to watch it on NFL.com.

  45. Palerydr says:

    I’m not in the Bruce is a bust camp far from it I want the guy to be a focus of opposing teams game plans for years to come. It’s ridiculus to say he’s a bust after 2 preseason games. It’s just the same as saying Wilson will be an allpro he flat hasn’t got it done in a real season. You know where a guy gets beat up, knocked around and throws a really stupid pick. He hasn’t lead a 4th quarter comeback on the road in bad weather with inj to key players. If you listen to some posters here it’s a done deal well I don’t agree with you that it’s a done deal yet that Wilson can do that at the pro level. I do want to see Irvin beat a guy one on one tonight I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.

  46. yakimahawk says:

    Pabs- I do get NFL network through direct TV but How can I watch it at midnight or tomorrow delayed? I have never seen a seahawks game (pre-season) on NFL Network…Please help this blackout w/ FOX is pissing me off!

  47. I’ll be very happy if Wilson seizes the starter’s role tonight and doesn’t look back. But in any case, I have never believed that our starter this year will start 16 games. Whether Flynn, Wilson, or Jackson, I’ve always thought our #2 QB will play a huge role on this team, at least for this year.

  48. As long as Jackson has zero of those starts, I’ll be happy.

  49. “By that reasoning, T-Jack should get the start this year, and that’s why Sando blogs about football.”

    Big difference btwn TJ and Flynn – - TJ has had more than one chance at the starter’s role. He’s at a very different point in his career in my opinion.

  50. Completely crazy to dub Irvin a bust after 2 pre-season games. Only people who like to be the first to jump to conclusions would think that.

  51. bbnate420 says:

    pabuwal, RW’s start tonight is just more information for PC. I doubt his starting or not hinges solely on tonight’s game. That said, it will be important.

    This game should be very interesting. TO better make some plays tonight if he wants to make the roster. Will be interesting to see how much Rice plays. A number of jobs and roster spots will probably be earned or lost tonight.

  52. bbnate420 says:

    pdway, how long before BIIB comes out of the woodwork?

  53. SandpointHawk says:

    BTW – If Harbaugh is able to resurrect Moss, he should be mentioned in the same breath as Belichick. Like it or not.

    Jim Harbaugh is already better than Bill Belichick. Just ask him, he’ll be happy to tell you…

  54. Don’t even have to ask Harbaugh…he’ll just tell ya anyway. ;-)

  55. If Wilson plays well tonight, and Flynn is mediocre, and Carroll gives the starting job to Flynn based on the fact that he has NFL experience, does Flynn even stand a chance in Century Link against the Cowboys if he doesn’t play lights out from the get go? Isn’t Pete setting Flynn up for potential failure, with the boo birds coming out early, calling for Wilson? Remember how everybody was calling for CBJ as soon as Hasselbeck got in trouble? Could be big trouble….

  56. “does Flynn even stand a chance in Century Link against the Cowboys if he doesn’t play lights out from the get go? ”

    I think that’s a legit question. The biggest downside w/what Carroll has decided to do here, is that if he is still planning on going with Flynn, he’s now set up a situation where people will be calling for RW the first time Flynn has a poor game. I guess the answer to that is that Flynn has to be mentally tough enough not to let any of that impact his performance. Whether he’s got that capacity is a big unknown.

  57. The fact of the matter is that it’s unfair to expect either of those two guys to play “lights out” when they have two combined NFL starts between them. I do like their upside though. I’ll take either of them over what we had to deal with last year though.

  58. As a general statement to all posters … I don’t think I’ve read anyone calling Bruce Irvin a bust.

  59. SandpointHawk says:

    When a team has two good QB’s, the crowd will always beings calling for the back up as soon as the starter sneezes…

  60. SandpointHawk says:

    *always be* damn it…

  61. But we’ve had people saying he already looks like a bust.

  62. That Dilfer/Hasselbeck article brought tears to my eyes. Hass was my favorite Seahawk and I hated to see him go, especially since his replacement didn’t do much better.

  63. Yakimahawk & Pabuwal. NFL network isn’t airing the game until midnight Saturday/12am Sunday.. Yakima do you know how to use the search feature on your receiver? type in seahawks and auto record all episodes.

  64. VNHLNFAN says:

    Mr. knowledge Hugh Millen just refered Russell Wilson as teachers pet. What a Goober.

  65. Soggybuc says:

    HawksKD, your right in that no one has used the bust word. but i just get frustrated that doubt and negative comments are creeping in after only 2 preseason games.
    After 2 seasons and no sacks ala Vernon Gholston, fine bitch away and call out the staff. Bruce is a good player but at this point a Tackle like Big Walt would be having giggle fits in the week leading up to facing Bruce.

    Okung had way too high of expectations when he was drafted and I remember some folks talking as if it was a bad pick early on in his rookie year. then came the Bears game where he stonewalled Peppers. at that point the negative nancys turned to his “injury” history. the term Okung sucks left the Lexicon at that point even though he’s had games far below that performance since.

  66. I’d bet Coach already knows who his starter will be for opening day. That doesn’t mean he has to tell the Cardinals.

    If Wilson plays the whole first half and starts the third quarter, he’s the opening day starter. If Flynn starts the third quarter, then we might not know who the starter really is until we learn who is getting first team snaps before the opening game. Sorry for all the people who’s hearts can’t handle this suspense, but I am loving it.

  67. The Big E, Eric Williams, will be on the radio at 710AM at 1:30.

  68. raymaines says:

    Joreb says: And raymaines…you don’t want to see him roll out? Give me a break.

    That’s not what I said “What I don’t want to see: 1) RW scramble or freewheel.”

    A roll out is a designed play and I’m all good with that. Free lancing indicates a broken play and that’s what I don’t want to see. That sort of play is fun for fans to watch, but they are low percentage plays and are not a good way to be a long term success.

    It’s better to have a QB that can run than to not have one, but I’m hoping not to see any of it tonight.

  69. I think the best matchup of the game to watch is going to be:

    Dwayne Bowe & Jonathon Baldwin vs. Brandon Browner & Richard Sherman.

    These are the two most talented receivers that our CBs have faced since our early season match up with Atlanta last year when Roddy White and Julio Jones caught for 200 yards on us. Bowe and Baldwin are big physical receivers who look to match up well with our big physical corners. This will be a decent indicator with how much our “vaunted” secondary has improved since the beginning of last season.

    The numbers may not show why this match up is important so far but it will be a good gauge with the WR talent we will see this year.

    Dwayne Bowe will get his first preseason action after holding out. However he plays well off the press which is the strength of our corners.

    Jonathon Baldwin – A big physical athletic freak that has tons of potential. He has been to KC what Tate has been for us….The training camp star who has yet to bust out and shine on gameday.

  70. Soggybuc says:

    I just had a visual of Walter, who was never an arrogant or flashy guy one hand pushing the speedy Irvin all the way to side line and saying ” your gonna be good one day, just not today”.

  71. It’s rumored that Petey already told Lynn Swann who the starting QB will be. Lynn reiterated it on a radio show. (allegedly)

  72. As far as I know, The ways to stream the game online are NFL.com, firstrowsports.eu or justin.tv

  73. As far as I know, The ways to stream the game online are NFL.com, firstrowsportsDOTeu or justin.tv

  74. jchawks08 says:

    Nice scramble, raymaines! You free-lanced your way out of making a silly statement. lol

    Suuureee Petey told Swann who the starting QB is. Do people really believe this stuff?

    Ugh.. It’s Friday afternoon after a long week. My sarcasm is leaking badly. I need a happy-hour!
    GO HAWKS!!!

  75. Ewalters7354 says:

    Ok I must ask this question…what has Turbin done this preseason to show that he can be a guy that can fill in for Marshawn Lynch?People seem to give him a bunch of praise but watching him play I must say I haven’t been overly impressed.He is big and has good speed but from what I see he in no way run through tackles and seems to me that Leon Washington has him beat for the number two running back job.Please help me if I’m missing something…

  76. raymaines says:

    08, Thank you.

    I’m mostly retired but have a little two day a week job and can listen to sports talk radio at work. The talking morons know WAY more about every sport, especially football, than I ever will and are probably more intelligent besides, but I swear that PC has every last one of us in his hip pocket.

    If we all take guesses about what tonight’s game means, somebody is bound to be right, but whoever is right tonight will be wrong next week because none of us really has a clue what the brain trust is up to. I’m happy that we’re all so engaged in all of this as it makes it a 20 game season with play off possibilities for the fans. How cool is that!

  77. Soggybuc – I fully understand where you are coming from and using Russell Okung is a perfect example. Some people still hold on to the thought he is made from peanut brittle…

    I don’t take this as a personal attack on my post specifically. And I didn’t mean to stir the hornets nest when I called out our pass rush as disappointing…
    Chris Clemons and Bruce Irvin are specialized players that are essential cogs to Carrols design of offense. A perfect example is Red Bryant who is more obvious as specialized because his body type is unconventional to his position of play. The LEO may be less obvious because to the naked eye they look the part. Don’t be fooled though their speciality is to get the passer and create pressure on the majority of the plays. They should be owning their speciality..especially Clemons. Bruce isn’t off the hook. Expectations should be high especially if he is replacing Raheem Brock and the amount of snaps he was involved in. Bruce’s talent gives him a high ceiling and all I want to see is simple progression throughout the entire season…he’s just not progressing as fast as some would like and or expect…again he will play a lot of snaps and being how high he was drafted and the talent that was left on the board there WILL be an expectation for him to make an immediate impact to our pass rush.

  78. EWalters – I think we’ll know more about Turbin after tonight’s game. I’d agree with you as far as saying that at this point Turbin is competing with Washington for the 3rd-down back role more than competing with Marshawn for the 1st-2nd down role. But with Marshawn out tonight Turbin should get plenty of 1st and 2nd down snaps. He has a little bit of that ‘reckless abandon’ in his running style, but mostly is a guy who will slip tackles and not take them on as much as Marshawn is capable of doing. He and Washington should both be on this team and 3rd-down options at RB as well as ST.

  79. baskcctrac says:

    Eric,

    I would try Oklahoma Joe’s BBQ. The restaurant is on the Kansas side of Kansas City. Here is the website address for you take a look at. Also plan on a very long line to eat some great BBQ. http://www.oklahomajoesbbq.com/

  80. Soggybuc says:

    Was never meant as a personal thing, just advancing the debate further. as good as Bruce can potentionally be I hope people understand that unless we become a threat at all points I.E. Jones, Thomas, Kam, KJ, Hill and Wagner. the ends will struggle.

  81. Dukeshire says:

    HawksKD / Soggy – 2 people have called Irvin a bust. Two days ago I responded to one of them, but yes, he has been called that here. Recently.

  82. DanielleMND says:

    Eric, did you have to mention Arthur Bryant’s? Now I’m hungry for one of their beef brisket sandwiches.

  83. Soggybuc says:

    Thanks Duke, how funny to call a guy a bust after 2 preseason games.

  84. Dukeshire says:

    Soggy – He doesn’t have a sack yet…! Carroll’s a moron!! Get him…!!!

  85. raymaines says:

    7354, I think BT’s value is that he runs in the style of Lynch and the offence doesn’t have to change when he’s in the game, as it did when JForce came in last year in Cleveland.

    It’s always better (according to me anyway) to have a roster full of the same type of guys than having a totally unique player filling a vital part on your team. I’m thinking of Tim Tebow or M-Vick as your starting QB. A team needs an identity and a style. That’s ML in Seattle, and BT makes a perfect backup.

  86. orbeavhawk says:

    “UNLEASH the BEAST!”

  87. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Did someone say happy hour?

  88. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- Stop bashing on Irvin! Just stop it I say. Lol.

  89. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – I’m on your time today, son. lol

  90. sluggo42 says:

    Irvin a bust….

    Coples (my pick) Merciles, Ingram, and others chosen after Irvin are already showing they can get to the QB and they are beating their man one on one! So, Irvin must be a bust right??

    Except that, Irvin’s’ game isn’t to manhandle a 300+ tackle/guard plus a TE. He has been doing that so far in preseason though…
    Soooo, when the real games begin, we will start watching the real Irvin play. Slipping in behind stunts, screaming around those fat plodding linemen. Hesitating for a Blitzing LB to mess with the RT/RG, and then blowing past the O-linemen.

    We just haven’t seen the guy do what he specializes in just yet in the “vanilla” defense. WHy show the league the secret weapon early?

    But, he is probably just a bust anyways…. I mean sheesh, he hasn’t bull-rushed and bowled over any 350 lb’er yet… what a hack! A bust I tell ya, what a bum!, Pete and JS are total idiots, and should be shown the door immediately! And starting a 3rd round QB who is only 5 feet tall! BLadphemy! Out with em all?I()!! Hawks are doomed! WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

  91. baskcctrac: Went to Oklahoma Joe’s today. It was worth the wait.

  92. STTBM,

    Just talked to the girl at Press Box and she says that they WILL have the Seahawks game on tonight. Only problem for me is getting released from work in time to get there.

  93. Eric has anyone told you that you sound a little like Hasselbeck?

  94. Dukeshire says:

    E Dub loves him some BBQ. I’m jealous right now… Arrowhead is one of the most underrated venues in the league, BTW.

  95. I knew there was (another) reason I liked Eric!

    The one nice thing about Turbin in 3rd down situations is that he has the size to pick up blitzes, too.

  96. HeinieHunter says:

    All this summer Flynn has had the edge. The competition was really to see if Wilson could play well enough as a rookie to be the backup QB, replacing TJack.
    But a odd thing happened; Wilson played over his head and Flynn could not seize the moment in either of the first two games, even with the defense getting turnovers and field position.
    Tonight will likely determine who starts. If Flynn plays up to his potential he will still be named the starter, but if he is upstaged by Wilson again tonight….game over! Wilson becomes the man.
    Go Hawks!

  97. seahawksteven777 says:

    Hey guys, just joined as a member on here after years of reading the comments. Since I live in Florida, is there any way I can see the game on some kind of stream or something? I can’t miss tonight’s game. No way lol.

  98. HeinieHunter says:

    EW….now that you have me salivating over BBQ….where’s the best BBQ in the NW and where’s the best Southern cookin!

  99. Soggybuc says:

    I watch http://www.thefirstrow.eu/

    Although some point to justin.tv my question is justin.tv still running?
    seems they smacked down by the NFL couple of seasons ago.

  100. montanamike2 says:

    Is Missoula the only town in montana to get the game?

  101. MattandCindy says:

    I’d like to believe that PC told Flynn that he’s doing great, exactly what we want. This is your ship, and you can take us all the way. He then told him that they’d like to take a look at RW in a first team situation and see if he can keep up with the “big boys”. If Flynn is a team player and confident in his ability, I’m sure he told Pete “No problem. I’m here to help the TEAM!”

    Short of RW completely SHATTERING the KC defense every time he touches the ball, I think they at least start week 1 with Fuzzy Chin Flynn. I’d at least like to see Flynn with all / most of the starters and a wide open gameplan, instead of the plain brain preseason flag football training wheel scheme.

    P.S. – I know its not that simple. Hope nobody verbally rapes my post.

  102. chrisj122 says:

    HawksKD – Thats funny!

    The first time I heard Eric on the radio was in the car quite some time ago and I only caught the last part of it but truely thought it Hasselbeck talking until they finished the interview.

  103. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric- When did you start seeing Owens reverting back to his old ways?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/terrell-owens-wearing-welcome-seahawks-fan-211300203–nfl.html

  104. bbnate420 says:

    http://www.southernkitchen-tacoma.com/

    This place is pretty good for Southern food if you’re in Tacoma.

    What some people don’t seem to realize is that Melvin Ingram looked very good in the first preseason game. That means he will definitely be better than Irvin can ever hope to be. Never mind the fact that he was playing OLB in a 3-4. ;-)

    I can’t remember any specific person that called him a bust, but I think that Dukeshire is right and someone has. Regardless, nighthawk2 crawled out from under his bridge to call him the worst draft pick ever or something close to that.

  105. “There were waterfalls in the stands. It was a mud game, and hawks could not move the chains.” Bird-Spit

    I remember that game vividly, wishing they would call the game. I love some bad weather football, but that was rediculous. They kept showing thunderstorms swarming around Arrowhead Stadium with overhead meteorological maps. If I remember correctly we were scrapping for a playoff spot at that point too… seemed like such an injustice to have to play smash/splash mouth football with the Chiefs that day.

    Welcome in SeahawkSteven777. If you scroll up to Mocarob’s post he mentions ways to see the Hawks if you are an out of towner.

  106. Palerydr says:

    The Southern Kitchen is ok but a better place is The Ranch House off hiway 8 south of Olympia

    http://www.ranchhousebbq.com/

    If anybody has another place to try let me know as my wife and I are searching for the best BBQ in the NW.

  107. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bbnate420- I liked the Divs chin thing you did last week on the live chat.
    Was it Divish that called us degenerates?

    BTW- Come up with something else this time and see who can figure you out first.
    That was kind of fun last week.

  108. Dukeshire says:

    What is this “Divs chin” you keep refering to?

  109. Hammajamma says:

    As was pointed out earlier on this thread, Hugh Millen channelled his inner Brat today by calling RW “the teacher’s pet.” He needs a nap or a good spanking.

    I really have a hard time understanding all the knashing of teeth about a situation completely out of our control.

    I say, let it flow, people. Enjoy the game. Om Mani Padme hum.

  110. montanamike2

    Last week’s game was blacked out in Missoula on NFL network but the “Press Box” was able to stream it to their monitors. I don’t know what the deal will be tonight. Call around your sports bars and see who is taking action.

  111. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- During last weeks live chat in Denver. bbnate420 used Divs chin as a name for the chat because Divish was giving Eric some jabs about his weight.
    I didn’t pick up on it at first but then I noticed nate was either missing or late. Then it finally hit me that Divs chin sounds just like nate.
    I had fun trying to figure that one out. But I doubt I could have done it without having three beers first. Lol.

    Speaking of lol. How many here could have sworn the NFL was using replacement refs in the SuperBowl in 2005?

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/08/titans-defensive-coordinator-calls-refs-three-stooges/1

  112. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Does anyone remember getting that Moe haircut as a boy? Lol.

  113. Ewalters7354 says:

    How in the world can someone be labeled a bust in preseason?JPP had 3.5 sacks as a rookie I believe.So even if he does struggle this year it’s not fair to lable the man a bust.Some fans really blow my mind.What if Russell Wilson struggles?Are you gonna lable him a bust as well?Or is he gonna get the he’s only a rookie treatment?Help please…

  114. Palerydr says:

    Carpenter has been labeled a bust by many posters here… I am not one of those. People just vomit opinions out with no thought or consideration. It’s just a part of the blogosphere where they hide in safety behind their keyboard with little to no accountability. It can’t be explained or reasoned out it is what it is.

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