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Morning links: Wilson learning on the job

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 22, 2012 at 6:57 am with 127 Comments »
August 22, 2012 6:57 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (3) talks with head coach Pete Carroll during NFL football rookie minicamp on Friday, May 11, 2012, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

John McGrath of The News Tribune writes that by giving Russell Wilson a chance to earn the starting quarterback job, Seattle head coach Pete Carroll is just following the trend of other teams around the league going with talented, young signal callers.

McGrath goes on to say that Carroll’s decision may not be as unconventional as you think, based on the success of other rookie quarterbacks like Andy Dalton and Cam Newton.

McGrath: When the Miami Dolphins appointed Ryan Tannehill as their No. 1 quarterback Monday, the former Texas A&M wide receiver joined Indianapolis’ Andrew Luck, Washington’s Robert Griffin III and Cleveland’s Brandon Weeden as rookie quarterbacks whose future is now. Should Wilson flourish against the Chiefs’ first-team defense in Kansas City, it’s almost certain he’ll become the fifth rookie QB to earn a full-time gig this season.

In addition to those five rookie quarterbacks, five second-year quarterbacks figure to begin the season as starters: Cam Newton (Panthers), Andy Dalton (Bengals), Christian Ponder (Vikings), Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars) and former Huskies star Jake Locker (Titans).

To borrow a song title from The Who, another influential band that took the same Woodstock stage in 1969 as the Grateful Dead: The Kids Are Alright.”

Derek Stephens at provides a run down on the performance of Seattle’s draft picks the past two weeks, ranking the players on their performance. Stephens on Wilson: “At first glance, Wilson seemingly picked right up where he left off in PS Week 1, again buying time with his feet, escaping pressure, utilizing play-action and exhibiting good accuracy. On second look, he showed us a little bit more this time around. What I liked about his performance this week, was that he actually stayed in the pocket and made some throws that indicated he could see the field just fine.”

Here’s my story on Wilson getting his first start against Kansas City on Friday.

Clare Farnsworth of writes that Sidney Rice is on the mend. It includes a picture of Rice during practice.

Steve Kelly of The Seattle Times writes that Carroll’s high-stakes, unconventional, three-way quarterback battle could define his legacy in Seattle. Kelly: “Carroll works without a safety net. This game of quarterback roulette only can be played by coaches who are secure in their jobs and supremely confident in what they do. Carroll is both.”

ESPN’s Mike Sando offers his thoughts on Russell Wilson getting his first start: “Carroll and Seahawks general manager John Schneider have kept an open mind about the position. They liked Flynn, but their commitment to him did not preclude the team from using a third-round choice for Wilson, another quarterback. And if there was evidence Wilson might be the better quarterback, Carroll wasn’t going to stick to the script with Flynn. There was no script, anyway. The best player was going to play.”

Scott Johnson of the Everett Herald checks in with Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez and others from Wilson’s past, who all say they are now Seahawks fans.

Matt Bowen of the National Football Post gives us a couple things to look for when watching Wilson on Friday – playmaking ability, execution against pressure, putting scoring drives together and ball security.

KJR’s Mitch Levy talks with Seattle defensive end Red Bryant in this audio link.

710 ESPN Seattle’s Brock Huard applauds Pete Carroll’s decision to start Wilson.

Morning links
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  1. Hammajamma says:

    A little Seahawk haiku this morning:

    Pete’s QB logic
    Is beyond casual fans
    Such a pioneer

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The last two years have potentially been the best two year period of qbs coming into the NFL, imo. I’m Glad the Seahawks are part of it.

  3. I agree Hamma. Absolutely LOVE that Pete and John are do things their way. Forget conventional wisdom. I’ve never been more excited for the Hawks than this year. And of course, I’d love to be able to ‘stick it’ to all the experts in the National Media and on this board.

    It makes for good fodder, but if everyone here knew what was best for this team, they’d be the ones hanging out @ the VMAC daily.

    The future has arrived…go RW!


  4. bird_spit says:

    I will not comment on the QBs, I will not comment on the QBs, I will not, oh crap.

  5. I like both qb’s, though Im still waiting to see Flynn throw sideline come-backs, deep in/outs, and the deep post/corner routes that starting NFL qb’s MUST be able to complete. I have yet to see him complete 4 passes downfield into the teeth of the nickel defense extending the drive on the way to a game-winning score in the fourth quarter…then again, I havent seen Wilson do all those things either.

    Its funny and frustrating reading all the angst-ridden posts regarding the qb competition. I think Carrol is handling this okay, and he is really making this a competition between the two qb’s (no one buys his garbage that T-Jack is still in the mix). There’s no reason to doubt either Carrols football acumen nor his sanity simply because he’s giving Wilson the start now instead of last week. (Wilson wasnt ready last week, this week he is; sounds simple to me.)

    Carrol knows what he’s doing, and I’m sure if his qb coach told him this was setting the offense as a whole back, he would listen. And its pretty clear Carrol wont decide on how to manage the fourth preseason game until after Fridays game, at the earliest. Which is fine by me.

    More concerning to me than who starts these next two games at qb is how well the WR’s do; Will TO catch ANYTHING?! Will Edwards get separation dowfield? Will Tate step up? Will Butler adequately fill in for Baldwin in the slot? Can Rice stay healthy and return to Pro Bowl form? Is Durham worth a damn? Can Lockette “get it” in time to make the team? Will we be able to sneak Kearse and Tuinei onto the PS? (because I think Kearse is our future starting FL, mark it down you heard it here first, this kid reminds me of Darrel Jackson!) And the most important question of all, Will Baldwin really be 100% by Week One?!

    I just hope to God I can get the game in Helena! I’ll go crazy if I miss the game two weeks in a row in two different cities!

  6. chuck_easton says:

    What? There’s a QB debate? Seattle has QB’s?

    There, how’s that for the ultimate denial?

  7. sluggo42 says:

    no kidding, another day of QB angst. This remeinds me of the Pre-draft when everyone argued endlessly about who would be the pick, and why they were smarter then the coaches.
    The blog writer was sure it was going to be that big slow LB/DE oaf that went to Balt, I was sure it would be Coples (still think that should have been the pick)
    Point was tho, that it went on endlessly up to the last second, and ev eryone hated each other by the time it was over.

    I started coming to this site hoping for some “inside” stuff, but it’s just the same as Addicts was.
    I see Slave, and 77 and a few others that I remember from there, and I see a few new guys, and I see a few that seem to post just to get a reaction. Same crap, different blog…

    Gotta love football eh?

  8. Dukeshire says:

    Carroll did say at the end of last season that he was really impessed with how well Dalton, Ponder, and Newton played as rookies. And that the time to sit young QBs regardless was coming to an end. Say what you will about him, he’s add candid as any coach in the league.

  9. psoundpowerhouse says:

    I think everyone is rooting for him to shine against the Chefs friday night. Except, maybe Matt Flynn’s mother.

  10. sluggo42 says:

    I’m with ya on Kearse

  11. sluggo42 says:

    Did Ponder play well? I thought he was quite questionable.

  12. What happens here if Wilson does poorly on Friday and Carroll turns around and starts Jackson for the opener?

    I think the reason why Carroll went away from his plan to start Wilson in the second game is because he needed to give Flynn one more chance after his poor showing against Tennessee.

    Of course I am just guessing because I have no idea what’s going on in Carroll’s head.

  13. gonefishin69690 says:

    Being out of town this last weekend, I watched the Denver game last night via DVR. I thought BOTH QB’s looked good, and T.O. need some stick-um.

  14. sluggo42 says:

    really? Starts Jackson for the opener? really?

  15. SandpointHawk says:

    What happens here if Wilson does poorly on Friday and Carroll turns around and starts Jackson for the opener?

    That would mean Pabuwal wins an Insider’s bet wouldn’t it?

  16. chuck_easton says:

    A team of highly trained and well respected experts in the field of psychology were dispatched to VMAC yesterday after the announcement of yet another shakeup in the decision making process regarding which player could, would, should, might, won’t, can’t start at QB.

    After several hours behing closed doors with one Pete Carroll in an effort to provide the rest of the NFL with a working knowledge of what does indeed go on inside PC’s head one psychologist ran from the building, dove into Lake Washington and was last seen swimming madly towards China. A second psychologist simply came out of the room, beamed happily at everyone and shouted “I’M A SQUID!!!!!!!”. The final psychologist was led from the room in a straight jacket and could last be heard muttering incoherently to himself about puppies.

    Alas, it may be that the rest of the Western World may never truly knows what goes on inside the brain of Mr. Carroll. Perhaps this is for the better. Some things should remain a mystery for the good of the sane world.

  17. gonefishin69690 says:

    It honestly wouldn’t shock me if we ended up with 2 starting QB’s.

  18. psoundpowerhouse says:
  19. chuck_easton says:

    I think the idea gonfishin has is similar to what some college programs use where they have to QB’s and they interchange them between series, quarters, or halfs.

    We can say that’s never been done in the NFL, but look where that line of thinking got us yesterday!

  20. sluggo42 says:

    “It honestly wouldn’t shock me if we ended up with 2 starting QB’s”

    “I’M A SQUID!!!!!!!”.



    See, everything in here makes complete sense…

  21. Dukeshire says:

    sluggo42 – Considering Minns situation, I would say he played well. Especially for a rookie. Regardless, he was one of the guys Carroll called out specifically.

    If Seattle ends up rotating two QBs based on down and distance, game situations, I’ll begin calling for Carroll’s job.

  22. gonefishin69690 says:

    Chuck got it. Given what we have seen from the unconventional Pete Carroll, would this really surprise anybody? Who really knows, maybe it could work???

  23. chrisj122 says:

    Regardless of how Wilson performs Friday, it will be interesting who starts on the final preseason game. By the time the final preseason game comes around a team should know exactly who all the starters are. The final preseason game is about judging the bubble guys and seeing who will make the final cut. This will be Pete’s real last chance to judge his QB’s against top talent, most teams barely play their starters the final game.

    If Pete doesn’t have a clear picture after Friday then what? this is his real last opportunity to see what his QB’s will do against top tier talent.

    This why if Pete wanted to start Wilson he should have done last week. He had better figure it out after Friday or this could drag on into the regualar season.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    chrisj122 – My feeling too. As I’ve said, hopefully Wilson will play definitively one way or another. Some clarity is desperately needed (at least for me…)

  25. I can’t wait for Friday!

  26. torinaga says:


    That almost made me spit coffee out on my monitor.

    Good Times.

  27. RDPoulsbo says:

    I figured most of the speculation would die down by now, but PC has other ideas. It does bother me that he can’t make a decision and stick with it, especially after mentioning that he might not name a starter until after the final preseason game.

  28. Screw clarity. I hope Wilson absolutely kills it this Friday, confuses the defense, and scores plenty of points… and then I hope Matt Flynn comes roaring back with 100% completion pct in the second half.

    When is the last time a Seahawks QB played 16 games without injury??? We need both of these guys ready to win asap.

    If we have two winners at QB, and this doesn’t sort itself out until our super bowl season of 2013, that’s fine by me.

  29. I see both QBs sporting perfect 158.3 ratings on 30 attempts each and after the game, Carroll announces he will go to a 100% passing offense with both QBs on the field at the same time and no RBs.

    His goal: to be the first team in NFL history with 1000 passing attempts.

  30. hawkdawg says:

    My guess is that if Wilson plays great, he gets the start next week and is likely the starter for Game 1. If the gap between him and Flynn is small, though, Flynn is the starter. Flynn wins, in other words, if it’s close. At least to start the season.

  31. sluggo42 says:

    Pundits on “First Take”, Skip Bayless and Steve Smith both just went off on Pete, saying that he is totally insane to be really thinking about playing Russell Wilson, and that Matt Flynn shoulf be starting without a doubt.
    They said that the money paid to Flynn is the main reason, and that he is a pretty good QB, and that RW is just a rookie.
    They thought the TO pick-up was good tho…

    But by bringing up the possibility of RW was blasphemy, dumb, and just plain stupid, and that Pete is only doing it to bring attention to himself…

    These guys almost reming me of that show that has the 4 women all talking at the same time like a pack of cackeling hens, with Whoopie and eliz Hasselbeck, they just talk to indulge in hearing their own voices…

  32. Okay, Pete Carroll must be “insane”, since he has too many talented players to coach at one time. I think its a good problem to have at this point in the team’s development.

    I’m imagining Ken Wisenhunt watching Pete Carroll from his Phoenix office, and wishing, just wishing, he had the wealth of talented players that Carroll has assembled… so that he could have the freedom of being so “crazy”.

  33. Dukeshire says:

    These QB threads are are increasingly more frustrating for me, between all the song parodies, haikus, sarcasm, silly rumor mongering, Carroll’s “gut” feelings, moderate posters becoming temperamental, reasonable posters becoming outlandish, and the season start just 2 weeks away, I feel like I’m on the verge on an aneurism. Carroll needs to settle on a god damn QB for the sake of my well being. That is all…

  34. raymaines says:

    And it’s looking more and more like the Arizona game will be nothing more than a fifth pre-season game except that it counts in the standings. That poor team is in a mess.

  35. Dukeshire says:

    If there is anyone who knows less about what is happening with the Seahawks and in the NFL at large than Skip Bayless and Screamin’ A Smith, I’ll be damned if I know who it is. Those two set the bar at an impossibly low level. Morons. Both of them.

  36. RDPoulsbo says:

    You really watch Skippy sluggo? I have to change the channel if I just see his mug on the screen.

    Yes, I am for starting Flynn, but the idea of starting Wilson isn’t some kind of crazy idea either. It should have been settled by now so the rest of the offense can work with the guy that every play will flow through when the real thing starts. The waffling on the decision is what I criticize, not that Wilson could be the starter this year.

  37. raymaines says:


    What did Duke just say about reasonable posters becoming outlandish?

    There will be about 150 Seahawk bloggers that all have one big communal aneurysm if PC doesn’t take it back a notch. Come on Pete, give us a break.

  38. Dukeshire says:

    I like how preseason games are associated now with one team being weak. Thank god the ‘Hawks won’t be taking the Cards as lightly as many here.

  39. Soggybuc says:

    I dunno Duke it really has been entertaining to say the least, all last week people debated that Wilson’s performance is suspect until we see him run with the 1’s. so Pete decides to oblige them and put the argument to rest once and for all and now we question his sanity.
    Really is now win in the world of NFL blogging.

  40. Dukeshire says:

    raymaines – lol

  41. Soggybuc says:

    sould read NO win in the world of NFL blogging.

  42. flywhtguy23 says:

    My question is whether RW will be required to force-feed the ball to TO like Flynn was last week? That was obvious to me. Read an article somewhere/sometime that if TO doesn’t get the ball early, he checks out.

    Mike Leach for Offensive Coordinator – 2014

  43. sluggo42 says:

    I’ve only seen these two clowns a few times, but that was a real indication that they know very little about whats going on under the surface. Smith’s ranting was rediculous to listen to, not sure I’ve ever heard this guy before, but at least I now know that he is nothing more than an entertainer, who isn’t really very good

  44. yakimahawk says:

    Duke…No need for the language! And Carroll will settle on a QB very soon when the info is in and they (PC/JS) make the correct decision. Go get a nice bottle of vino and enjoy the ride the Hawks will surprise a lot of people this year!!

  45. Dukeshire says:

    Soggybuc – I guess. In Russ we trust…

    Oh, I forgot to add idiotic nicknames to the list of things that are driving me crazy, during this QB stuff. lol

  46. Donn2390 says:

    I’m sure Carroll doesn’t waste his time reading the ridiculous posts in here, but he would get a real kick out of reading stupid posts from would be Pee Wee coaches.
    Almost everyone has negative things to say, where as a real fan would not be second guessing the coach. You should be excited by all of the great things PC/JS have brought to Seattle, and getting on the band wagon, waiting with great anticipation to see how his experiments work out.
    Pete is vastly more experienced in the game than anyone of you could ever hope to be. He spends 12-14 hours a day with his mind devoted to improving the Hawks for you. You read a few articles and watch a practice game or two, and think you know more than the experts.
    I’m thrilled with everything Pete has done, and it’s great fun to watch him rebuild this team from the scrap yard to a top contender, which they will be this year.
    I’m a 40 year USC fan who became a Seattle fan when Pete came to town. I saw all the critics pan his selection when he was hired by USC, a third choice nobody.
    Just like here, there were many critics that said they really screwed up with his hire. It didn’t take him too long to silence the critics there, and it won’t take long in Seattle.
    I can see many of you were prejudiced against Pete simply because of what he did to the Pac 10, including your beloved Huskies, for so many years. He’s on your side now, so chill out.!
    Stop crying, sit back and enjoy the ride, because it’s gonna be fun.. Nothing Pete ever does is boring…
    ..and for those of you who like to discredit his previous pro record, his problems there were because he was coach only, and had no control over personnel issues. Now he has the power and is doing things his way, the winning way..
    At SC, he had the power and you see the results…

  47. Dukeshire says:

    They won’t be surprising me; I expect them to be a playoff contender, simply said. I’m just a bit jumpy at the moment.

  48. RDPoulsbo says:

    The one thing we have going for us are the Mariners look like they’re crawling back into contention. If they were hopelessly out, we’d have them all jumping over here spewing their football “knowledge” as well. I don’t think I could handle that on top of the rest of the drama.

  49. psoundpowerhouse says:

    What Carroll knows that ‘we’ don’t, is the vibe in the locker room and whats going on in the huddle.
    The players might be gravitating toward Wilson, not Flynn.

  50. I don’t post often but this hand wringing about Wison starting this friday is ridiculous. I have not seen anything in 2 halfs of football that tells me Flynn has won the starting job and obviously neither has carrol. I don’t know if Wilson will win this job but he has earned the right to play with the ones, and by the way he has led 5 touchdown drives and 38 total points in 2 halfs. Yes it was against back-ups but he had backups playing with him also. I for one am sick to death of the so-called experts Mitch on KJR and that douche bag Hugh Millen and the constant negative BS since the decision to let Wilson start – it is pre-season we need to know who the best QB is and this will go a long way in making that decision.

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’m with Stevos here.

    And I think some folks around here are just going through withdrawls because they can’t get their way.

    I did when we didn’t draft DeCastro. Lol.

    You will get over it soon.

  52. Chuck, Didn’t Tom Landry interchange QB’s Staubach & Morton in 1971?
    By game 7 he named Roger the starter and they went on to beat Miami in the Super Bowl. In one game that year he interchanged them on each play.
    Sending in the play with the QB.

  53. HeinieHunter says:

    One thing we can all agree on, Pete and John have taken a normally boring pre season and turned it into “Must See TV”.

  54. Oh yeah, Roger was also color blind. He couldn’t tell the difference between red & blue. Thank god he never had to play the Skins when each team wore their non-white uni’s…

  55. GeorgiaHawk says:


    Just go back to the archives last April after the Seahawks selected Wilson and you will find pretty much the same folks bitching about him then as they are now, except now they have shifted their focus on Carroll because it would make them look silly to directly attack Wilson the way he has been playing.

  56. Do people ignore what Pete tells them? Apparently so.

    I’ll reiterate and paraphrase.

    ‘this thing could take longer than people will want and maybe into the season before we know’

    Even with a solid franchise starter already in place the first half of the season is iffy! Petes doing it his way, do or die and he has permission to do so from the boss,,,,


  57. HeinieHunter says:

    Thank you dvaldez for reading my mind. Hugh Miien has been bad mouthing Wilson from the gitgo. Wilson has EARNED this start and Flynn has NOT played well enough to end the competition.

  58. GeorgiaHawk, very true I read the blog daily and have for years, there are vey strident opinions from some of the more prodigious posters here. Wilson may not be a franchise QB but he has something about him that makes me think we may have hit a home run, I want to find out.

  59. Until the Seahawks win a Super Bowl or until Pete Carroll has a winning NFL record (he’s under .500 right now in almost 100 NFL games as a head coach), I think people have a right to question some of his moves. If questioning your leader is wrong, maybe another country would suite your needs better. But, wait, the people don’t know as much as politicians (in any country) so they must be right all the time. If NFL people are right all the time, then they would never take a bust. Hey, I know I don’t know a fraction as much about the NFL as Mr. Happy, but any fan has the right to have an opinion, even if it is different than yours or his. And, really, if you’re never allowed an opinion, even if it’s wrong, would being a fan be any fun? Maybe I should be told who my favorite player is or whose jersey I should wear and things of that nature, too? Give me a break.

  60. Sluggo–Dude, good to read ya here! I miss the Addicts folks that disappeared, that was my all-time favorite blog for long stretches; great in-depth conversations/arguments with passionate, opinionated people. Not that that doesnt happen here, but its not the same.

    At least Eric does a pretty fine job, and the trolling is minimal (usually).

    Ive said a bunch, I will say it again; I dont get the freak out over Carrols handling of the qb’s, or the wigout about who will start. They are trying to settle it onfield, and so far Flynn hasnt looked awesome, for whatever reason(s)–meanwhile, Wilson is making HUGE strides each week, so NOW he gets his chance to see what he can do. Sounds reasonable to me.

    At least we play AZ in the first game. If the team struggles on offense, it MAY be due to not settling on a qb, but there are other warning signs that our offense isnt ready for prime-time, including Rice’s lack of practice time, Baldwin for the same plus his “procedure”, the Myster of TaterHead, and TO’s poor showing. Not to mention the fact that Moffit is injured and Lutui is being a bonehead, and Miller had ANOTHER concussion, and things are worrisome on offense.

    I think its gonna be fine, and the best qb at the end of four games will be the starter. Dont know who that will be, but it will be fun to watch!

    And what a nice problem to have–two guys good enough to start, both better than T-Jack! Whoo-hoo!?

  61. flywhtguy23 says:

    KC has a good team (sans the questionable QB). Defense is good and great running game. Its going to be a good test for us! Can’t wait!

  62. BobbyK–Im pretty famous for questioning Coaches/Assistants like crazy, but to compare Politicians to Coaches is WRONG! (SICK and WRONG!). Seriously, I have WAAAAY more faith in every last coach in the NFL–even Jim Mora–than I do ANY politician. I would sooner trust thier judgement on ANYTHING–even non-football stuff–than take a politicians word that the sky was blue or the moon wasnt made of green cheese.

    I know the Jury is still out on Carrol, but he’s made a lot more good decisions than bad ones, so Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on stuff like Carpenter, Irvin, and the whole qb handling thing. He’s bound to fail once in awhile, but so far its okay and Seattle seems to be improving and I expect it will all be O-Tay!

  63. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Agree- Wr is a huge concern of mine. I hope these questions clear up soon.

  64. I gotta admit I was horrified before the draft when it was reported Bevell and Carrol were all over Wilson–another tiny Ruskellite. Then I watched a couple of his games, and parts of games on YouTube, then read an interview with him. After that, I was onboard.

    I was stoked we drafted him, and surprised we took him in the third. I cant wait to see him play Friday, and see what Flynn does against the scrubs and backup!

  65. pelanderjj says:

    If PC truly doesn’t know who his QB is then fine, use this time to evaluate. I just hope he isn’t doing this to just play games with the media and trying to be “discrete.” Does he sit in his office and come up with ways to throw people off? Maybe he should be more focused on preseason then media. I am not a fan of having the media circus focused on the Hawks. I like being under the radar. Thanks Pete! Genious or Jobless?

  66. In any walk of life, I believe you have a right to question your leader. If my friend drives a car drunk, I have the right to question his wisdom. If my boss asks me to do something that I believe is wrong, I have the right to question him/her. If a teacher, who is a trained professional, teaches something I believe is wrong, they need to be called on it. If the city council wants to do something that I believe is wrong, I will call them out. The list goes on and on.

    I think that almost all of us on the blog (but not everyone) dismissed Russell because of his height. After we drafted him, drank the kool-aid, and watched some of his play-by-play games on YouTube, we were excited at the potential. I never expected him to be good enough, right away, to potentially start as a rookie though. I expected him to be better than Jackson, but that doesn’t take much.

  67. For the record, every GM and head coach we have ever had knows more about football than any of us. That has produced zero Super Bowl wins in 35 years. Seahawk fans don’t have the right to question the people who run their favorite team?

  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Seems like around here their was more optimism last year with Jackson and Whitehurst to begin the season. You would think we are about to go 4-12.
    Top 5-10 defense. Good running game. And better qbs. Now all of a sudden Carroll doesn’t know what he is doing?

  69. chrisj122 says:

    This will be the last preseason game to evaluate starters at any position. After Friday if we don’t know, we won’t know until after the season starts. It’s kinda too late too be playing musical QB’s.

    Does anyone know Wilson’s stats in the first two preseason games for both 3rd and 4th quarters? If most of his stats game in the 4th quarter (which I don’t know) it might not mean as much considering other teams have garbage players in the 4th quarter of most preseason games. Not taking anything away from the guy, just wondering.

    The same can be said for Flynn this Friday as well. If he puts up alot of numbers in the 4th quarter it won’t have much meaning in my mind (not that counts for anything).

  70. GeorgiaHawk says:

    As you all know I’m all for opinions. I especially like the silly uninformative ones. They are much easier, (imo) to shoot down. Lol.

    STTBM- I think alot of us didn’t know much about Wilson including me when they drafted him.
    And I believe some here still don’t. Especially last week when some here were comparing him to Wallace.

  71. Is this the Denial or Anger part of Petey’s decision to go against what is normal in the NFL? When do we get to the acceptance stage? Friday?

  72. chrisj122 says:

    I think most everyone is more optomistic this year then last year. However right now we have major unrest at the top position and until that works itself out I will be very uneasy.

    By Pete not having any clarity on the QB it divides the team into two camps, just like it does this blog. Some for Wilson and some for Flynn. When he finally does decide on a QB everyone will have a collective sigh of relieve until whoever he picks to QB starts to struggle, then what?

    It’s more likely whoever is chosen will struggle at some point early in the season because of lack of reps with the 1st team. When this happens are fans going to start to boo the QB and chant the name of the guy not chosen?

    This musical QB situation maybecome a huge mess but yes I’m still optomistic and excited about this season regardless who the QB is. I just want that QB to have the best possible chance to be successful but this is just setting him up to fail and second guess Pete the second the guy struggles!

  73. Hammajamma says:

    QB’s, parodies
    Have Duke busting a vein while
    Bayless sends his love

  74. RDPoulsbo says:

    It certainly was not more optimistic here last year. A great number of us openly questioned bringing in T-Jack and were certainly not enthralled by CBJ. We were happy to see talent overall being upgraded, especially on defense, but certainly not at QB.

    Which brings us to questioning PC. He’s done great things with this defense. For that, he gets a great deal of credibility on that side of the ball. For what he’s done there, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Offense is another story. He’s had a lot more misses than hits there and a lot of those hits, I would credit to Cable. Guys like CBJ, T-Jack, Rice (jury’s still out), Tate (awfully slow development for a 2nd rounder), and Mike Williams (1 and done after his payday) are all PC moves that haven’t turned out as advertised. So yes, Pete is open to criticism of his moves on offense.

  75. Dukeshire says:

    I wouldn’t agree that last season there was more optimism. People here are questioning the wisdom of starting Wilson in game 3 and not game 2. That’s reasonable even if the expression of those questions is emotional. I think in general and overwhelmingly, there is more optimism for a season this year than has been in some time. 7 years+ I would guess.

  76. Hammajamma says:

    Easily more optimism this year. And good reason for it. Beat the Pack at home and they will be the darlings of the league this year.

  77. Soggybuc says:

    Wonder what the blog reaction is going to be like if Russ goes Smurfmode on the Chiefs Friday.

  78. RDPoulsbo says:

    Flynn, Wilson. Who knows?
    Mad scientist is crafty
    At least they aren’t Rams

  79. sluggo42 says:

    For just a moment, lets look beyond the QB debacle and look at a few reasons that we will crush AZ first, then others, reasons that don’t depend on the QB, be it either of them.

    Defense, Defense, Defense. Kinda don’t need to break this down too much. Top 10 last year, now better… When they start up with som blitz packages that allow one of the speed guys in, it will be fun. This alone darn near is enuf for a winning season. Balt won for years with D and a mediocre offense. Our offense will be far from average

    Did anyone notice the second half of last year? Nobody could contain the running game, and everyone KNEW TJack was going to fail throwing the ball. Now we have a much improved receiving squad/O-line/RB’s TE’s/ and a real QB (Either one)

    A better D and a better O… The other team can run up any scoring on us, because they wont have the fricking rock! They will have turned it over, punted, or be getting pancaked as beast or another beast is jamming the rock down their throat. Then just when they stack 17 men on the line, QB will strike to either Baldwin/Rice/KWII/Tate/TO or Edwards/Butler or knowing Pete, an eligble Tackle.
    Even when they know a run is coming, they won’t be able to stop it. And even if they ever get lucky to force a punt, Jon will kill it on the 1 and we will get a safety the very next play.

    So again, it really doesn’t matter if it’s Flynn or RW, either on is capable of putting the ball into a scorers hands.

    This will be a very special season, and I suggest you watch every moment of it, just as I have watched every moment of every game ever played since the inception of the HAWKS. It will be a glorius season to behold…

  80. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- I fully understand questioning Carrolls wisdom starting Wilson in game three and not game two, however how come the same folks didn’t question Carroll last week for not starting Wilson in game two at all? Especially after Carroll said it was a fare competition. I did.

    But that wasn’t important to question because those that question Carroll now didn’t want Wilson to start game two at all or be in for the running to start the season. They wanted Flynn and no one else.

  81. Soggybuc says:

    Very true Sluggp, this is a team built to win even if Hugh Millen is taking the snap.

  82. This is very frustrating. We’ve seen what Flynn can do against good teams when he’s in control of the offense and has had a week of preparation. This on again, off again bullshit is going to be the bane of this team. I would bet at this pace, Carroll will have another 7-9 season on his hands, at absolute best, but I feel like 6-10 is where the team will end up. As a coach, its your job to evaluate talent in practices and training camp, and construct your depth charts from those evaluations, and combine preseason games with those evaluations to make your final roster. There’s a reason carroll’s unconventional methods aren’t often used at the pro level: they don’t work.
    I don’t see Tom Coughlin, Bill Belichick or the Harbaugh brothers posting on twitter or recording pranks they played on their team. He’s a very unprofessional coach, IMO, and I don’t think his plan is going to work in the manner the optimists do.

    You don’t have arguably the best running back, secondary and left tackle, one of the better offensive and defensive lines, and still be considered to be in a “rebuilding phase”. Its starting to feel like Carroll is Obama counting on being able to say “I inherited this”.

  83. way to stay positive radeon.

  84. Dukeshire says:

    GeorgiaHawk – Perhaps but I don’t think that entirely true. Speaking for myself, I thought Wilson out to have gotten reps with the 1s vs Denver and stated as much after the Tenn game. Regardless, we’re here now.

  85. RDPoulsbo says:

    Come on Georgia, don’t play that game. A lot of people who want to see Flynn as the starter, including myself, said RW should have started last week. It’s blown up to a bigger issue this week because teams should already know the direction they’re going in terms of starters at this point, but PC is still waffling on the most important position on the team. That’s the criticism. If Wilson is named starter for the season, then fine. Go with it so the rest of the team get get on board. That’s more important than the Flynn vs. Wilson nonsense going on here.

  86. ryanryan says:

    i don’t see what the big deal is with all of this – let the coach see his players perform and then let him make a decision. it is HIS ass on the line.

    too bad vick’s ribs weren’t broken, that was a tough game…a real dog fight out there.


  87. Hammajamma says:


    Carroll an “unprofessional coach?”

    That’s not worth debate. Be careful your analytical skills don’t betray your party affiliation.

  88. Stay positive? How can I? PC is giving 2 quarterbacks literally no time to develop chemistry with the skimpy receiving corps, o-line, or the running backs. Neither one will have any rhythm, and its gonna be a disaster on opening day. There’s a reason Carroll is 14-18 in Seattle. And is sub 500 from his previous coaching gigs.

  89. GeorgiaHawk says:

    RADEoN- Your words of wisdom now are about as wise as the ones (below) you had right after we drafted Wilson. At least you’re consistent.

    “I’m actually very down on this draft. First, there’s nothing saying he’s the best “pure pass rusher” in the draft (except for Carroll himself). Second, there’s quite a few more needs this team has than a 4th qb to battle for the 3rd string backup job with an undrafted free agent who was signed but never got a chance”

  90. sluggo42 says:

    Rad, I will put $100 up right this second that says the Hawks do NOT have a losing season

  91. yes, as i said, way to stay positive. This is the seahawks we all love here. If YOU dont, then leave. Regardless how we think of PC, this team is is MUCH better hands than when he came along. Would you rather have Mora/Ruskell running this team? I sure as hell don’t. I believe that PC did not earn his striped in college for no reason. Yes, it was college, but football is football to the core and this guy knows football. End of story. Do you love the seahawks? It sure doesn’t sound like it, and i’m getting sick of all these “fans” talking sh*t about our team.

  92. How can anyone deny that PC and JS are doing well? When they arrived, the Seahawks were laughing stock. Just two and a half years later, they are so deep that scouts from other teams are watching them closely, drooling over how many talented players will have to be released when they have to reduce to 53 players.

  93. Dukeshire says:

    So we’re now beginning to fracture into the “love it or leave it” argument? The presumption you only love the Seahawks if you blindly support every front office / coaching decision is absurd. The entire point of this forum is to discuss the Seahawks with varying points of view. So long as they are articulated intelligently or at least respectfully, the more the better.

  94. dirtbiker_joey says:

    I was the backup right guard for a 4A Pennsylvania HS football team back in the day, so I think everyone will pretty much agree that I know my stuff when it comes to football. My senior year, we rotated not two, but three guys at QB during the preseason jamboree. How did that work out for us? We were the tri-cities champions that year! There’s proof positive that that an unsettled QB competition is not a season killer. I’m not concerned about a starting QB being named yet, so neither should you.

  95. GeorgiaHawk says:

    RDPoulsbo- Perhaps Carroll has already made up his mind and That’s why he’s starting Wilson in game three. Therefore,(if that’s the case) you will be happy that Wilson is starting game three like the traditional way.
    I myself are very happy Carroll is taking the time to do this thing right.

  96. Dukeshire says:

    dirtbiker_joey – I want so badly to find the humor / irony in that post.

  97. Duke, i just think that if you are here on this site, you have a love for the hawks. But lately, with all the debates, it brings out so much negativity towards our hawks. I’m just trying to point out that we all want the same thing, for our hawks to be a great team and go far into the playoffs. But lately, every little thing makes people freak out to the point of saying how terrible of a coach PC is and blah blah blah. Maybe i just need to log off, and step away for a while, or maybe, we can all take a deep breath and realize this team is talented in lots of areas, and the team is making progress in the right direction. The sky is not falling

  98. “Thank god the ‘Hawks won’t be taking the Cards as lightly as many here.”

    Agree, Duke. I’m just enjoying the ride of this preseason, a lot, but no doubt the staff working at the VMAC are serious as a heart attack about getting ready for opening day. And I’m sure the unsettled QB situation is heartburn to some of them. Still, I’m enjoying the heck out of this preseason.

    On opening day, I truly believe our D will overwhelm AZ. Our D is built to destroy a team like them – shaky QB, shaky O line, and a few elite receivers to keep in synch. Seahawks should destroy that offense.

    That said, Arizona’s D are not pushovers, they’re fierce. And their special teams may be among the best in the league. We need to be ready in all three phases.

  99. RDPoulsbo says:

    GeorgiaHawk: Except he hasn’t made his decision and has said this could go past week 4.

  100. chuck_easton says:


    Not me! If my guy can’t be the one leading the team then I want the team to go down in flames!!!! 0-16!

    Only problem is, after all the debate I forget which QB I’m rooting for.

    Oh, well, whoever gets named the #1, whenever, if ever, that happens, that’s my guy and he was all along.


  101. RDPoulsbo says:

    jboard1: No one here’s calling for Pete’s head, though he is justifiably open to criticism. There once was a time Tim Ruskill had all the credibility in the world for fixing Walt’s annual contract dispute and getting guys that took them to the 1st SB in Seahawk history. Then he kept making crazy moves that eroded that goodwill with the fans to the point even Paul Allen couldn’t ignore. Just remember that the Seahawks are more than just 1 guy in the organization.

  102. Dukeshire says:

    jboard1 – That’s cool but not everyone sees it that way. Of course we all want a Super Bowl title, but what’s the best way to get there is certainly up for debate. Personally, I love the direction this team is headed. I don’t care for how Carroll has handled the Wilson / Flynn preseason situation however, and I will vocalize that. Despite however, I challenge you to find a bigger ‘Hawks fan. You know…? Holmgren, when he left, talked about how emotional and disruptive unsettled QB situations are for the franchise and their fans. We are seeing that play out in real time, right now. As you said, the sky isn’t falling. But with questions at the most important position in team sports, us fan(atic)s tend to get a little riled up.

  103. I get it. It just gets old after a while. But as you say, it’s bound to come up. I think i’ll log off for a while so i just dont get annoyed…for now :-)

  104. Mr. Happy has a lot of responsibilities. Not included in those is the need satisfy the fan’s –or his opponents–curiosity about why the team is taking particular actions at any time. It’s his butt on the line, and I can’t see how anyone can look at the last 2 years and not be positive about the future.

  105. GeorgiaHawk says:

    jboard1- This isn’t about PC at all,(PCs an easy target). It’s about those that get their heart set on one player (Flynn)and how they think things should play out, then find out that their hopes for Flynn starting could get shattered by Wilson the rookie.
    Since it’s hard to take it out on Wilson, they focus on the easy target Carroll.

    Hey, it happens to everyone here. It happened to me with Decastro.

    Why do you think that the most level headed poster here almost went off the deep end yesterday. It wasn’t Carroll.

    This can be a roller coaster blog at times. Big deal! I like the passion here.
    And I won’t question anyones passion for the Seahawks on this blog that are regular bloggers.

  106. GeorgiaHawk says:


    Can I have an opinion? Lol.

  107. chrisj122 says:

    You can have an opinion but if we don’t agree, your wrong!

  108. seahawk44 says:

    Friday cannot get here soon enough!

  109. I love all this banter. It’s good for this blog and good for the Seahawks.

    People are worked up about the QB situation–which I both understand and appreciate. Beats the hell out of the sound of crickets in an empty lot.

    Duke, you’re in PDX—there’s more microbrews per square mile there than anywhere else in the world. Go get a pint and enjoy the ride! :D

  110. Dukeshire says:

    GeorgiaHawk – You’re painting with an awfully broad brush there. Of course some will object to how this is playing out simply because they want Flynn to start regardless. Just as those who favor Wilson, criticize those who question Carroll. But many here, and most of the old timers, are criticizing Carroll for how he’s handled this, regardless who they’d prefer to see start. I’m in that category. In this case, Carroll isn’t an easy target, he’s the only target. It’s been Carroll’s decision how this is handled all the way down the line.

  111. Some people will bitch if they are hung with a new rope!

    If your carping that he did’nt start Wilson in game 2 so he could do the “normal” thing and name a starter for game 3 you have the right to do so. Thing is though, he told you ahead of time you would do so.


  112. Dukeshire says:

    Cornutt – Good advice, my friend.

  113. RDPoulsbo says:

    Georgia: That’s just a strawman argument. If PC came out and named Wilson starter of Week 3 and said he’s the guy for the regular season, I’d be ok with that and trusted his judgment since he sees far more that goes on in practice than we do. Make no mistake, I’ll get onboard with whoever he names as QB. Either guy is certainly better than T-Jack, who I’ve always questioned.

    He didn’t do that though. Instead he’s going to continue to waffle on the decision and even said the QB competition could go past the last preseason game. That only puts whoever will be QB at least a week behind other teams. These 2 guys have very different styles of play and they need to get in sync with that starter. That includes snap cadence and tone (that will especially come into play in an away game like Week 1 in AZ), tendencies to roll out and break off patterns, etc. That is why I’m criticizing the way he’s handling this and I think it’s a very legitimate criticism. Teams that have to take all 4 weeks to name a starter usually have pretty terrible QB play in the regular season.

  114. sluggo42 says:

    Georgia – I’m afraid I can’t trust anything you say anymore, as you just admitted to wanting DeCastro, when obviously the correct pick would have been Coples… ;)

  115. Dukeshire–I get what youre saying. I for one didnt mean that you cannot call out decisions you disagree with–that would be monstrously hippocrical of me, now wouldnt it? But I do think that Carrol knows what he’s doing, and its gonna be fine.

    1) Flynn hasnt done well enough to cement his role as starter. He HAS, however, shown enough where the FO is comfortable placing him ahead of T-Jack–or so it appears.

    2) Wilson wasnt reading defenses well enough in the week leading up to the second game to earn a start. Close, but no cigar. However, his play in that game showed that he IS improving rapidly in that area, and his physical talents are such that he’s also pushing to start on that basis alone. Put those two facts together, and he’s earned the right to get ONE preseason start.

    3) Flynn did well enough starting that Carrol is less worried about what missing one preseason start will do to his development and the chemistry of the offense as a whole. To me that says they know what kind of qb they have in Flynn, and that his ceiling isnt real high; just higher than T-Jacks (so is my cats travel carrier).

    Looks like we wont know who the starter will be week one for awhile. For me, Im okay with that. We’ll see how our starter performs come week one.

  116. hippocritical. Der.

  117. Dukeshire says:

    woofu – See RD’s above post as to why your post is a non sequitur.

  118. SandpointHawk says:

    @ dirtbiker_joey…You were a back up guard for the Tri City champions? Well shush my mouth and feed me Philly Beef Stake…I was an award winning, scholarship earning, starting flanker for a state champion High School team and a NFL correspondent for UPI and the LA Times and I’ll admit I don’t know crapola. So that being said I’m so glad you have given us your divine guidance…

    Yeah I know I shouldn’t post this but guys, get a grip…

  119. Sandpoint—I never thought for a second his “credentials’ were meant in a serious way, but I must admit my head is spinning after some of the posts of the past 2 days, lol.

  120. jchawks08 says:

    Just getting some time to catch up on my ‘Hawks. Logged in and scrolled to the bottom of the comments to gauge the mood and tone. Should be an entertaining read as I catch up! We trade Jackson yet??

  121. SandpointHawk says:

    Like I said, I shouldn’t have posted and I’ve been fairly good at keeping my fingers off the keyboard for the last couple of days but all this drama at my favorite blog is making it a downer even to check in.

    So I’m sorry @dirtbiker_joey if I missed your tongue firmly planted in your cheek.

    @PHXHawk, thanks for the heads up….

    Seems like beer is in order for this fan….

  122. He’s laughing at you Duke!

  123. mkinghorn says:

    I have been reading this blog for some time, not as long as some regulars I am sure, but since the Sando days, but have only posted a couple of times since most of what I had to say was already posted, then re-posted and posted again.

    Yet I feel compelled to weigh in on this situation in particular.

    My opinion, which isn’t worth much, is this:

    Pete owes it to the organization and the fans to do what he thinks is best for the Seattle Seahawks. The ownership has entrusted him to make those decisions along with Schneider and I, for one, don’t fault him on wanting to make the best choice.

    If Flynn had knocked it out of the park against Denver, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, but he was just average. I think Pete and John wanted Flynn to kill it against the Broncos so they didn’t have to make this kind of a decision for game 3, but with the way RW and Flynn played, they owe it to the team to have an open and honest competition, which means Wilson gets his shot.

    There are still plenty of snaps left in game 4 still to go around even if the first unit plays some… so what.

    Some guys are saying they are taking away crucial reps and cadence time from the group to get to know one another – I don’t buy that argument. They have been practicing together during camp for a while now, it’s not like Carson Palmer going to Oakland and having to figure it out on the fly, they have been working together on-and-off this off season and during camp.

    I for one welcome the competition and want to find out who deserves the start against Arizona in game one. If it means we go against convention than so be it. At least we aren’t handing the reins to a player based on his salary or his draft status (Tennessee).

    Thanks for letting me vent. Good night now.

  124. I will not take your 100 dollar bet, not because I don’t believe I’m correct, but because I won’t cheer against the seahawks.

    And Georgia, until week 8-10, we’ll have to see if i’m prematurely down on the draft.

  125. For anyone worrying about reps for the QB’s, check out Sando’s chart showing MF and RW having far more snaps than any other QB’s in the division.
    Also, regarding the FO’s ability to find QB’s, should we switch with AZ?
    Of course we all are free to have opinions, just remember they are opinions, not FACTS. The phrases, “Loyal opposition” and “agree to disagree”, come to mind.
    When all is said and done, I feel lucky to have a team to cheer for that shows tremendous talent, enthusiasm and potential. Enjoy the ride….

  126. NYHawkFan says:

    STTBM – My cat’s travel carrier ceiling is higher than T-Jack’s… LOL

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