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Morning links: 5 keys for Hawks vs. Broncos

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 18, 2012 at 8:18 am with 76 Comments »
August 18, 2012 8:18 am
Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning (18) looks to pass under pressure from Chicago Bears defensive lineman Israel Idonije (71) during the first quarter of an NFL preseason football game in Chicago, Thursday, Aug. 9, 2012. The Broncos won 31-3. (AP Photo/Daily Herald, Mark Welsh) MANDATORY CREDIT; TV OUT; MAGS OUT

Good morning. I arrived in Denver late last night, and I’ll be heading over to the stadium about 3 p.m. this afternoon.

The weather is expected to be pretty good here, about 80 degrees and sunny.

Here are five keys for the Seattle Seahawks as they head into the second preseason game, and the first on the road against the Denver Broncos.

Pressure Manning: Although Seattle’s defensive starters finished with two turnovers against Tennessee, they did not record a sack. Peyton Manning did not take a hit on his only series against Chicago last week. Manning is expected to play at least a quarter tonight. The 36-year-old quarterback says he wants to get hit to show that he’s fully recovered from neck surgery. The Seahawks should oblige.

Get Golden going: Third-year pro Golden Tate finished with just two receptions for 13 yards against Tennessee last week. If Tate is going to be Seattle’s starter at split end this year, he needs to be more involved in the offense. Maybe they can get him some easy catches on bubble screens or stop routes and let him create with his feet.

Throw it deep Flynn: Matt Flynn was efficient in his first outing as a Seahawk, finishing 11 of 13 for 71 yards and an interception. Flynn also was sacked twice. His longest completion was a 14-yard pass to Zach Miller. We know that Pete Carroll emphasizes taking care of the ball and limiting turnovers, but this offense also is designed to create some chunk plays. I believe Flynn has a good enough arm to stretch the defense, so if it’s there Matt, let it go and make something (good) happen.

T.O. show debuts: Tonight will be our first chance to see Terrell Owens playing in a game as a Seahawk. I’m excited to see how he’ll do, but I think we also have to temper our expectations a little bit. He’s still working himself into top game shape, and I don’t expect Owens to play a lot today. What I would like to see is some flash plays to remind folks that he’s still got it at 38-year-old.

Wrap-up: One of the few criticisms that Carroll had after the game was the poor tackling by his defense, especially by the second and third unit. That needs to change today. Players need to take better routes to the ball carrier, and wrap-up and get more defenders to the ball.

Here’s my preview of today’s contest. Cornerback Richard Sherman is looking forward to matching up against Manning today. Sherman:Unless you can find a quarterback that can teleport the ball into a receiver’s hands, it’s all the same. They still throw interceptions. They still throw incompletions and good defenses can stop them.”

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com writes that Marcus Trufant will work with the first defense at nickel tonight.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times talks with Terrell Owens’ trainer down in Southern California, Travelle Gaines, about how much the talented receiver worked to get back to the league.

John Boyle of the Everett Herald checks in with rookie Bobby Wagner, who appears on track to start at middle linebacker for Seattle.

ESPN’s Mike Sando offers three things to watch in today’s Seahawks game.

ESPN’s Jeffri Chadiha asks how much baggage is too much when teams consider the risks and rewards of pursuing players like Terrell Owens. Some good info here on how Owens helped tutor younger players in Cincinnati.

Russell Wilson is still pushing for the starting quarterback job.

Jeff Legwold of the Denver Post writes that keeping Peyton Manning clean is one of the priorities for the Broncos today.

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  1. FleaFlicker says:

    Never been this pumped for a preseason game!

    And speaking of QB situations, did anybody catch that terrible performance of Kolb last night? Holy smokes! Here’s a quote from Raiders DE Tommy Kelly:
    “He is skittish. He is scared back there. Anytime anybody gets close to him he starts looking at the refs. As a defensive lineman you love a quarterback like that. He ain’t even trying to look at the routes no more. He is paying attention to us and you ain’t going to get nothing done like that.”

    I’m thinking it will be Skelton for our season opener.

  2. I hope to see RW stick it out a bit longer in the pocket and be patient instead of scrambling out too quickly. When he does have to vacate the pocket, be unpredictable about it too.

    I’d rather watch Matt move the chains than try to force a long ball into a bad situation. That was the one thing I didn’t like seeing Hass do, he tried to force it and sometimes paid for it.

    Will Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce! show up tonight and will Jason Jones become a force to be reckoned with? How will Bobby do tonight?

    WRs – if Braylon and TO both do really well, why wouldn’t we consider keeping them both (besides the special teams argument?) I know most of you guys aren’t Butler fans but I hope he has a great game and shows us that speed. If Matt throws to McCoy for a first down and he drops it (again) I think that will end his chances.

    And finally, no injuries!

  3. raymaines says:

    Here is a list of things I do and don’t want to see from the ‘Hawks that I dreamed up last night:

    Four things I want to see in game #2

    1) Matt Flynn continue to take what the defense gives
    2) T.O. and Edwards on the field at the same time
    3) T.O. get separation from a quality cornerback
    4) Good O-Line play, passing and rushing

    Four things I really don’t want to see:

    1) Brain dead penalties
    2) Fumbled snaps
    3) Dropped passes
    4) Player interviews in the fourth quarter.

  4. bayareahawkfan says:

    FleaFlicker – I saw most of the first half of that game and thought exactly what Kelly later said.

    So glad this front office evaluates and sets a price on guys, and generally sticks to it. Of course they weren’t being held hostage by their hall of fame WR to get a QB, like AZ was, but I love that they balked at Philly’s extortionate price, and let Whiz (<- ironic nickname there, IMHO) fall on that grenade.

  5. Dukeshire says:

    The poor tackling (league wide, really) this preseason isn’t too big of a surprise. Not with the new CBA and how restrictive the rule are now regarding full contact practices. It will come around.

    I definitely agree that I’d like to see Flynn push the ball down field a bit, tonight, provided the opportunities are there.

    I’m not sure how encouraging it is to have to design screens and spot routes for Tate at the X, simply to get him more involved. Part of playing split-end is being able to get off the press and create on your own. If he’s going to take this “leap forward” people keep talking about, we’ll need to see that at some point.

  6. What’s the over/under on Barron having at least one false start penalty?

    My main concern in the game is to keep everyone healthy, minimize the stoopid penalties that Pete Carroll NFL teams seem to have, and sure tackling on defense. I want to see Flynn do well. I want him to chuck one deap to TaterKid and for him to make a play. I’m also excited to see if Eldorado has anything left in the tank.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    This is off-topic, but if anyone wants to read a hilarious piece on Deadspin regarding the idiocy of Steeler fan, you’ll love this…

    http://deadspin.com/5935313/why-your-team-sucks-2012-pittsburgh-steelers

  8. Seahawks2620 says:

    Now, with manning coming off of this serious injury, the broncos are clearly going to ensure that he does not get roughed Around. So if we are unable to get too much pressure on him tonight, let’s not freak out too much. We will probably see them brig the tight end up to block or what have you. I for one will not be astonished if we don’t sack Peyton three or four times tonight. He has always had the ability to ensure that he doesn’t get sacked often, and on top of that their game plan will most definitely be to keep him upright. I just don’t want to read about how the world is coming to an end after the game if we didn’t generate too much pressure tonight. Haha

    Both of these teams (Titans and Broncos) have gone into the game with the mindset of getting the ball out quickly.

  9. Duke – that was pretty funny!

  10. seahawk44 says:

    NFL Network is not televising this game until 8pm PST on SUNDAY! I’m sure there is local coverage, but I can’t get that in Los Angeles.

    With their love affair with Peyton Manning, I just don’t understand why they will wait 26 hours after live kickoff time to air the game.

    If anyone knows a website that will air it live, please let me know.

  11. Soggybuc says:

    ROFL, thanks Duke that was a great read to start the day with and it’s so very true. i had to suffer the 2005 season hanging out in a “Stillrz” bar in south Florida.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    That Steeler piece wouldn’t be fair without our complimentary article. Warning, some painful truths lay ahead…

    http://m.deadspin.com/5929379/why-your-team-sucks-2012-seattle-seahawks

  13. HeinieHunter says:

    I’m excited about tonights game in Denver. ‘m hoping Flynn has a great game and Wilson continues to look like very smart pick. If Wilson outplays Flynn good but what I don’t want is Flynn to play poorly and the rookie moves up to starter by default. I am curious to see both our QBs throw deep a couple of times. I was never impressed with Hass’s ability to throw long (although he was a great QB when he was here) and would love to see a QB with a big arm keep the defense honest to benefit our running game. I’m kind of rooting for Deon to flash his speed and get back into the running for a roster spot. I keep waiting for Tate to really earn a starter spot but haven’t seen much to encourage me. I know he practices well but looks like all backup to me. But what do I know, I’m just a big Hawk fan, by no means x and o guy.

  14. Soggybuc says:

    here ya go 44, it’s annoying with all the ads but it does calm down after about 15 to 20 minutes.

    http://www.thefirstrow.eu/

  15. I need to see Flynn play substantially better this weekend to be convinced he won’t be the third consecutive member of Pete Carroll’s 7-9 QB club (or 4th if you count Drew Bledsow who finished 8-8 with Carroll).

    Substantially better means at least 10 points on offense in one half, a YPA over 8.0, no turnovers and at a maximum 1 sack. I’d also like to see Flynn challenge the Defense with more than the 2 types of passes I have seen him throw through his career (the deep chuck and the short dumpoff/shallow cross/slant). On the plays/drives where the offense fails him (pass protection, no running game, penalties, etc), I’d like to see him overcome that and elevate the offense by creating plays on his own. If he’s an above average QB, the failures of his teammates won’t prevent him from moving the offense.

    Tonight is a far tougher challenge than last weekend. The Denver defense borders on elite (if it isn’t already) and Denver is a tough place to play. I don’t expect any of the above to happen.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    Surely you realize how useless YPA is. I would think YPC would be more reveling for the purposes of your argument.

  17. I think YPA is one of the most important metrics to use when evaluating a QB. You and I had a lengthy discussion about Matt Ryan last year with regards to this metric.

    YPC can also work as well.

  18. Ewalters7354 says:

    Can we please get rid of the replacement officials please?!They have been utterly terrible.

  19. Ewalters7354 says:

    Quick update for Duke….David Hawthone has been absolutely garbage thus far for the Saints.They moved him to Will and he has been getting beat both in run and pass plays.He looks slow and old.Will Herring may not even make the team.So glad the FO didn’t overpay these guys.

  20. LeePridemore says:

    The Hawks defensive pass rush is going to get after Manning like rodeo calf ropers. Clem and Irvine are going to burn their brand into Peyton’s ass after they throw him down and tie him up.

    Last week was a Public Service Announcement for Play :60 from the NFLPA. Tonight we going to set the barn on fire and send Bronco Peyton to slaughter.

    I don’t like the Broncos. Never have, never will.

  21. Seahawks2620 says:

    I know I have stated his over and over again, but I am fed up with hearing about needing to see this and hat from Flynn. The guy was not brought in with the expectations of being the next great QB! So let’s stop holdin him to these standards as if he is. For all of the people calling for Wilson, just shut it up please, he hasn’t proven a single thing yet either. Pre season genuinely doesn’t mean a thing, and yes he did throw ONE “deep” pass, but it doesn’t mean a thing. No one knows what we have in these two QBs, regardless of their intangibles. They could both be busts, regardless of your man crush for either one of them. Yes, the only way to determine which one could be that guy would be to evaluate how they play, but a few preseason games is just not enough. The early expectations are absurd. Everyone wants a great QB in Seattle, but let’s just be patient.

  22. MadSweeney42 says:

    That Deadspin article is pretty silly considering the bulk of it was aimed at Tarvaris. I still do not get the fact that almost NO ONE nationally (and apparently still locally) gets the fact that both CW and Jackson were both temporary tackling dummies while a good defense and a solid O-Line were built so that they didn’t have to throw in a highly paid rookie or FA on the field with little chance to succeed. Apparently the 2 year contracts and acquiring not one, but two QBs in the offseason weren’t blatant enough signs that TJ’s days on the team, no matter what the coach was publicly saying (and when exactly did people start believing coaches?), were over. As I said after the draft, as soon as Wilson shows he can be the backup, TJ’s gone. It’s absolutely mind boggling that the very obvious plan seems to go way over almost everyone’s head.

  23. MadSweeney42 says:

    Also, I don’t care what he offers the team. I do NOT want to, nor will I, root for TO. Period. Get off my team.

  24. Flynn has very little time to prove himself which works against him. This is because Pete Carroll is in Year 3 now and doesn’t have time to wait on a QB which is what you want us all to do.

    The Seahawks can go 1-3 fairly easily to open the season.

  25. montanamike2 says:

    testing

  26. montanamike2 says:

    Cool i’m back.
    Just returned from fishing at Ft. Peck, the pre season games are blacked out! My friend and neighbor has the NFL season but no pre season games?

  27. seatowntp says:

    I live in the shadows of Gillette Stadium, where Bruce Springsteen will be performing tonight. Anyway. . . does anyone know if I can stream the Seahawks butt kicking of the Broncos tonight? Thank you.

  28. $15 will buy you guys the remaining 3 Seahawks preseason games streaming live on NFL.com in HD quality.

  29. DreadHawks says:

    Here in seattle area Q13 has the game and I believe that the Hawks are streaming live on Seahawks.com.

    I’m hoping to see Bruuuuce get to Peyton at least once….I want to see if he’s really healed up.

    T.O. and Braylon really have to go above and beyond for me….too much baggage coming in for my liking.

  30. Dukeshire says:

    MadSweeney42 – The Deadspin piece is humor. It’s not intended to be sports journalism, as it were.

    pabuwal – If one factors sacks into YPA, then I’ll acknowledge it can be valuable. But it doesn’t seem that you do, at least with regard to Flynn last Saturday.

    And be my recollection, we discussed Ryan’s YPC. Although I’d have to go back to confirm.

  31. Dukeshire says:

    Ewalters7354 – Thanks for the update, even if it’s not what I was hoping for, for him.

  32. Seahawks2620 says:

    Being impatient will not bring us a great QB any faster, nor will it salvage Pete’s future in Seattle (If it is in fact in jeopardy).

  33. Ewalters7354 says:

    Dreadhawk,Would you rather baggage and production or high character and no production?T.O. and Braylon both have diva attitudes but have proven they can play decent levels in this league.Take away Rice and Baldwin and all the Hawks had were guys with potiential.There is a need for production thats why I see them both making the squad.

  34. Duke – you are right, sacks aren’t factored into YPA so I consider them separately. It’s also helpful to consider them separately to factor out who was responsible for the sacks – the QB or the pass protection.

    Regarding YPA, I find it to be the one QB stat the lies the least. Completion % can be inflated by throwing short and rewards excess conservatism. YPC may reward scatter QBs who are more boom and bust but doesn’t speak to their consistency (eg 4 for 12, 80 yards). TD% and INT% are great bottom line stats but can lie also because a QB may play conservative or may not accurately reflect the work a QB does or doesn’t do to setup the scoring opportunity. Senecca Wallace had a fantastic TD to INT ratio in 2008 but that said nothing to his mediocre production.

  35. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – We can simply agree to disagree then because YPA without sacks factored in tells us next to nothing. And on a side note, most sites do not factor in sacks, but some do, and those are worthwhile.

  36. I think most would agree that getting a good look at Russell Wilson’s continued development is another big key in this game. These early preseason games are more about evaluation and practice than about winning.

    A big key for me will be seeing if Bevell will call plays that test Wilson’s ability to stay in the pocket and throw.

    While Wilson’s wheels were impressive in game 1, his inability to stay in the pocket was disconcerting. Did Bevell really design roll-outs on every play? Or was Wilson uncomfortable in the pocket? If Wilson keeps rolling out so much, DCs can game plan for this. Preseason play against backups is one thing, but if Wilson tries to roll out to his right on every play against a D like the 49ers, they will take him down or force INTs.

  37. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    Five ‘keys’ to tonight’s game are the following?

    1. QB Pressure; 2. Golden Tate playmaking, performance and production; 3. Flynn throwing deep; 4. T.O. playmaking, performnance, production and assimilation into offense; 5. Tackling by 2nd and 3rd units.

    Hmmmmm, I would say that all of the above are interesting things to hope and watch for, since each are current (or perceived current) deficiencies or simply haven’t happened yet. And who doesn’t want the see the 2012 Hawks become a more complete, dangerous and well-rounded team?

    For myself, I’d divide the ‘keys’ into two separate categories: Keys to winning this particular game (not particularly important). And the key things for the coaches to evaluate and gain valuable information heading into roster cutdowns and the regular season (far more important).

    Keys to winning TONIGHT’S game, in my mind, would be:

    1. Scoring more points than Denver. Ha ha ha. And please disregard.

    2. Can the first and second units win the TOP battle against Denver’s stout defense and new Payton-led offense. In my mind, this single metric will tell you A LOT. It would mean that our D can reliably stop a Payton-led offense and our new QB and O-Line can move the sticks against a very good defensive group, which will require both timely runs against the interior, quality short and intermediate pass completions, and an occasional deep threat to open up the former two.

    3. Can we stop Denver’s run game while ALSO allowing ET and KC to sit over the top and not allowing the big play completion. And thus put the game in PM’s hands in the short and intermediate passing game? Which I think is FAR more important for this team than QB pressure. And SHOULD be easy peasy for our D by now. And or WINNING GAMES, it’s the true foundation of our D gameplan.

    And in this case we’d put the game outcome in PM’s hands in the form of critical second and third down short and intermediate passing downs or checking to a run. An area where Tebow incidentally what at his best in the 4th quarter due to his mobility and improvisation. And where PM simply falls apart and kinda sucks.

    5. Can Matt Flynn continue to make the right read and right throw, especially in critical situations. This is related to #2. If he can do this, then we win TOP pretty EASILY. If he can’t, then it gets a LOT harder.

    4. QB Pressure. Can we force PM into a rushed throw when it matters? This is how you beat Peyton Manning btw. Even though it is precisely his perceived area of strength.

    6. How does our O line continue to hold up in the run game?

    7. How does our O line perform in pass protection on critical throwing downs?

    8. Do we have any new and important weapons in our receiver group? And is the an improvement with those returning from last year? I am talking about the kind that makes an opposing DC adjust their gameplan. And which gives Bevell new options and plays to run that were previously inconceivable.

    9. Can Flynn AND the receiver group threaten at least OCCASIONALLY more than 20 yards out. I don’t think that too many of completions or even attempts are all that necessary. But it has to be in the back of the DC and safety’s minds ENOUGH to force them to adjust and stay home deeper than they would choose otherwise.

    This isn’t just on Flynn. Let’s keep in mind that if Denver’s DC starts to see a regularly open TO or Edwards or Butler . . . or Winslow, Baldwin or Miller in the intermediate routes on those same plays . . . with regularity when the other WR’s run a deep pattern AND Flynn has time to make the throw, then the short and intermediate field opens up for Flynn and the run game.

    10. Kick off and punt return coverage. Are we able to contain?

  38. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    Aw h*ll, I forgot, Red Zone performance. By both the D and the offense. D would be more important to me than the offense.

    But what the offense can produce and who it can put on the field (especially in tight end and receiver sets) with a compressed field is a rather critical issue for this team to resolve.

  39. DreadHawks says:

    EW7354, I think my post said it all. If they can be productive both on and off the field then I want them. I merely stated they need to go above and beyond. Proof is in the pudding for me. What little I’ve seen and read on the 2 of them is promising but let’s not get caught up in the hype. They just need to do more. Can they? We shall see. It does intrigue me that they may return to form and produce big for us. What a story it would be.

  40. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    Pabuwal,

    We agree on YPA. But you have to take it with a grain of salt and sample size matters a lot.

    The Titans had their safeties sitting over the top and daring MF to beat them with the underneath and checkdown receivers. Which is how I’d play MF as well btw. And how I’d evaluate my defense for the first pre-season game.

    And if I am Bevell and MF, all I’d care about is: Can you make the right throw and right read with what the defense is giving you?

    In last game’s case, he performed well.

    We’ll know a LOT more when Bevell and MF begin to run plays that are specifically DESIGNED to produce downfield options and open receivers. There is NO evidence that that has really even happened yet in a game situation. At least not with any reliability.

    But you can be certain that it will. And in due time, you’ll have the sample size to make a better determination.

    Also, with Denver’s D, I’m not sure how much we’ll get to see of that this game either.

  41. SeventiesHawk, I’m not too worried about “Flynn making the right reads” or “O line performance”. In fact, I’m feeling very confident about those things. This team has come a long way in that regard since last preseason.

    I think you make good points about evaluating our WR group and our ST tonight. On both, the coaches have a lot of evaluation and decisions to make.

    For example, I’ll be interested to see if Obomanu really looks critical to either group. I think that Obomanu is quickly becoming irrelevant to the WR corps. The question of his keeping a roster spot comes down to special teams, yet special teams is where younger players step up to earn their stripes each year. Can Obo, in his 6th year, continue to lead Teams as gunner? Or will younger players shine on special teams in preseason? If they do, Obomanu may be history.

  42. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    Stevos, Agree completely on all of the above.

    What I listed though was what I think is most important to look for with WINNING THE GAME.

    What I want to see the coaches evaluate is completely different.

    And I think that keeping Obo around simply for ST is asinine when you have TRUE DIFFERENCE MAKER WEAPONS FOR CRITICAL GAME CHANGING SITUATIONS THAT YOU’D CUT from your team for a middling and replaceable ‘gunner’.

    Uh, by what calculation is that a good idea in anyone’s mind?

  43. The AZ Cardinals were already saddled with a $10 Million QB who plays with deer-in-the-headlights terror in his eyes.

    Now they have a Left Tackle injured and likely out for the season.

    Bahahahaha! Why do I have zero pity for these guys?

  44. May 2012:
    Pete Carroll lands his jumbo jet at Denver airport to ask Peyton Manning to consider joining the Seahawks

    August 2012:
    Pete Carroll lands Bruce Irvin, Chris Clemons, and Jason Jones on top of Peyton Manning to remind him why he should have considered joining the Seahawks.

  45. Dukeshire says:

    SeventiesHawksFan – You realize this is a pre season game, yes? Anyway, Obomanu’s value is far more than some pecular ST metric. He can play all three receiver positions well, if unspectaculaly. And that is a known. Something this thin unit needs. Moreover, who is the “true difference maker” in “critical situations” who would be cut? That is, the best receivers stay. And that will be determined in the field.

  46. SeventiesHawk, Yes, I’d agree, except that I’d consider any time a special teams gunner tackles a kick returner inside the 10 yard line, or anytime he helps force a fumble, to be one of those “critical game changing plays”. And those are exactly the types of game changing plays that Pete Carroll coaches to create.

    After Obo dropped two third-down passes in the final game last year, he either proves he can still create game-changing plays on ST, or he’s done, and a younger and faster player makes the team. I’m eager to see what young guys like Lane, Guy, and Toomer can do on ST.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    Stevos – Carroll is just vindictive enough to call a fire and weak side blitz or two on Manning, UN a pre season game. I love it, too. Lol

  48. As someone who has been fortunate to see a good number of practices and view some of the things that don’t get reported, let me give you some things that may not be so obvious to look for.

    One of the closest battles is at Nickel between Trufant and Roy Lewis. Trufant has moved up the depth chart above Roy Lewis for this game. Seahawks D employs a lot of Nickel Package so consider this a job for a starting position. If Roy Lewis can continue to prove his versatility at FS, Look for that to give him some kind of leg up on Trufant.

    7th round gem – I’m not talking about the progression of Sweezy. Keep an eye on Greg Scruggs playing at end and DT. I’ve seen the guy physically dominate during practice. A big boy with a big motor. And one of my favorite surprises of this years camp.

    Ricardo Lockette -Not at wideout. But watch for Lockette to prove something in his special teams play if healthy. With the emergence of TO AND Braylon Edwards being talented viable options, our bubble guys are going to have to really make a spot for themselves on this team. Obomanu’s worth relies heavily on special teams play. If Lockette can step up it he can make Obomanu expendable

    Cooper Heflet – has been healthy and soft handed at TE as opposed to McCoy. Can Heflet be successful at in line blocking like McCoy? I think Heflet can be a surprise make on this team.

    Will another running back be able to break through and force our hand to keep 5?
    1.Lynch
    2. Robinson
    3. Washington
    4. Turbin
    5. Lumpkin, Tua, ?

  49. In Re: Obomanu also holds value at bein able to play all positions..

    I think Deon Butler can play all positions much better than Obo… Obo has hit his ceiling with what he can do for us. Love the guy and his versatility but at some point you need to prove a speciality in any one area with the emergence of the young and hungry guys looking to take your job.

  50. Lol, Duke! Peyton Manning, flattened under a pile of Seahawks pass rushers, looks to Pete Carroll over on the sideline and says: “what’s your deal?”

  51. Dukeshire says:

    KD – Because you have seen do many practices, let me ask two things: is Lewis fast enough to play FS in this scheme? Ahead of Maragos? And how do you see Helfet vs McGrath? Is that even a reasonable comparison?

  52. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Didn’t Denver get six sacks last week in Chicago? Should be a big test not only for Flynn but our O-line.

  53. Dukeshire says:

    KD – In a perfect world I’d agree. You see Butler as a capable split end, though? That would surprise me, to see that development out of him. But let’s see what he does tonight. He got some looks last week at flanker…

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Dukeshire the Deadspin stuff was really funny!

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Im glad others found them funny too. Lol.

    Good call with regard to their o line vs Denver’s defense.

  56. Soggybuc says:

    I generally view first downs and time of possession to the most valuable stats when judging a QB, second only to the scoreboard.

  57. wabubba67 says:

    Hoping that Pete will be more creative than is typically expected in a second preseason game and dial up a few blitzes for Peyton. (Seems only fair since Peyton snubbed this organization by even refusing to meet with Carroll/Schneider on the tarmac in Denver.)

    Nothing dirty…just hit him hard.

  58. bbnate420 says:

    Butler is as skinny as a rail and plays much slower than his 40 time. Decent receiver. Not versatile enough to warrant a spot over Obo IMO.\

    thefirstrow.eu, for anyone that wants to watch it on the net for free. Use firefox or safari. Explorer doesn’t work well. You can get it at NFL.com as well. Better quality, but you have to pay 15 $ for the last 3 games. Glad I can just watch it in HD on my TV.

    I can already see the excuse from the Flynn haters if he completes a deep pass. “The thin air in Denver allows him to do that with his noodle arm.”

  59. bbnate420 says:

    thefirstrow.eu. Free website you can watch the game on. 15 $ at NFL.com, but it is better quality. Glad I can watch it in HD on my TV.

  60. Sparky12 says:

    I would think that John & Pete are not too twisted at Manning’s snub at the Denver tarmac, as they kind of ambushed him there. Manning never did say he would meet with them and turned down quite a few offers from other clubs besides the Hawks.

    That being said, it would likely feel good to Pete and all of us fans to see Peyton with some Seahawk paint on his helmet a mouthful of Denver turf, Lol.

  61. bbnate420 says:

    thefirstrowdoteu, with a . instead of the dot. Or google front row sports, should be one of the first few sites. Free games. 15 $ at the NFL website. Better quality. Glad I can watch it in HD on my TV and don’t have to worry about it.

  62. SandpointHawk says:

    Damn. Did you see that chicken skin flapping on Payton’s arm in the above photo?

  63. bbnate420 says:

    Is there a game chat tonight?

    Obo and Baldwin out tonight. Was hoping to see the Flynn-Baldwin connection.

  64. MadSweeney42 says:

    Duke – In regards to Deadspin, I didn’t know it was supposed to be complete humor, though obviously it’s dripping with sardonic observations. However, I continue to see the type of “analysis” that the article repeatedly went through in regards to QB and Tarvaris’ role on the team at almost every single level of sportswriting from watercooler chat to blogs to here to ESPN etc…

  65. raymaines says:

    Obomanu has a fairly high cap number too. That might work in Lockette’s favor.

  66. bbnate420 says:

    They have the room to keep Obo another year. I bet PC cares more about winning this year than his cap number.

  67. Duke and everyone – my apologies greatly.. I meant Sean McGrath… Cooper had looked good in the last the last practice I went to and I think I lumped them up together… Definitely Sean McGrath pushing for that extra TE spot…

    As per Butler playing split. I think Butlers ability to gain separation is very underrated. His routes are clean and has the best acceleration out of any reciever on our team. Successful split ends can regularly get separation which is a reason we saw Mike Williams fail. He does well in the slot and also at flanker. He’s actually pretty slippery running of press but once he gets caught (on the press) he gets stuck bad…..

    I’m not knocking Obo in the least. He’s solid but nothing spectacular… What we got from Obo so far is about as much as we can expect…I believe…

  68. I don’t think Butler nor Tate should be at split end. When I’ve seen Butler beating coverage, its at flanker and slot, and he does both more effectively than Tate. Tate can make plays though, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him more at H-back. For my money, I think either of these guys can help at split end in a 4-wide set, but I’d hate seeing either one start at split end.

  69. GeorgiaHawk says:

    SandpointHawk- I saw that to! “What a drag it is to be old”.

  70. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Cut Butler, Trade Tate, and we will end this debate.

  71. Duke re: Roy Lewis playing FS…
    It’s really hard to criticize Roy Lewis because our baseline evaluation is Earl Thomas who is incredibly instinctual AND fast. I have to be honest and I never really “watched” Margaros play this uear to be able to compare. Roy Lewis seems to diagnose quickly but he definitely looks ALOT more comfortable at Nickel. Every time I watched RL play safety my first thought is that he’s slow to get to coverage or tackle but at least he always appeared to be in the right place.

  72. crunchmeister says:

    Georgia, I doubt it will be Kolb. Skelton starting Thursday. Kolb looks to be a bust to most everyone. Glad we dogged that bullet. Tip of the hat to the FO on that one.

    I can’t wait to see Clem against whoever they come up with to play left tackle. No matter who their QB is, they will feel the heat!

  73. raymaines says:

    Lets asy four years ago, maybe five years ago, how many of us ever said something like….

    “Tip of the hat to the FO on that one.”

    Umm, like nobody….

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