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Quick observations from Wednesday practice

Post by Dave Boling / The News Tribune on Aug. 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm with 82 Comments »
August 15, 2012 1:18 pm

For the most part, the defense had another good day at the offense’s expense. They got good pressure on the quarterbacks and had consistently tight coverage.

Asked to pick a story of the day, I’d say that Terrell Owens looked as if he’s getting his legs under him and feeling more comfortable. He pulled in a nice completion against Richard Sherman on a little in-and-out route during one-on-one drills, and later grabbed two touchdown passes in team (2s v. 2s) from Russell Wilson. The first score reflected well on both of them; the play appeared on the verge of breaking down, but Wilson stepped up and Owens found a spot open near the back of the end zone. He also caught a long touchdown from Wilson. On the same Veteran Receiver front, Braylon Edwards had an eye-catching one-handed grab of a poorly thrown pass during skeleton drills.

Rookie J.R. Sweezy (my auto-correct just changed it to Sneezy! He’s certainly not one of the Seven Dwarves?) played with the first-team at right guard. He looked particularly good on runs; he fires out low and has good leg drive. One time he was obviously beaten during team action was when he was caught on a delayed blitz that he didn’t pick up on. In pass protection drills, Red Bryant overpowered him with a bull rush, but Sweezy came back with a nice job when Bryant tried a spin move. Another rookie who continues to look good in those situations is seventh-round defensive end Greg Scruggs. He got impressive push with a bull rush against Russell Okung.

It’s good to see Sidney Rice in team drills. He had a nice completion from Tarvaris Jackson, who quarterbacked the third unit without great effect,

Matt Flynn had a long TD pass to Ben Obomanu. Obo had to wait for it a while, but it was still a completion over Jeremy Lane. A contrast to Flynn’s deep ball came when Wilson fired one about 50 yards in the air to Owens for a touchdown. Wilson’s lower trajectory on the deep balls allows them to get there quicker.

Golden Tate was on the sideline today. He showed no visible signs of injury; He might have been getting a day off. Eric will surely update when he gets finished with interviews.

Backup tackle Alex Barron had another false start today, a concern since frequent penalties were at the root of his problems in St. Louis and Dallas.

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  1. Russell has a canon of an arm! Really hope he gets a shot with the 1′s to really prove what he can do.

    GO HAWKS!

  2. What I saw at the VMAC – 15 Aug, Wednesday.:

    What Dave Boling said.

    Oh, and also some other stuff:
    It was impressive watching Sweezy at RG with the first unit. He was not getting beat and acquitted himself very well I thought. Lutui was also solid playing with the twos, but Cable has to really like Sweezy to be giving him so much work.

    Much of what I saw from Flynn resembled his performance Saturday night. Slot WRs, Flankers, and TEs receiving quickly set-up passes, along with plenty of dump-offs to RBs, while split ends didn’t get many downfield targets. Wilson’s arm continues to be impressive and he isn’t afraid to cut it loose. The two TDs to T.O. were highlights of practice, particularly T.O.s veteran stutter-step at the back line of the endzone to maintain control in bounds. Also, fewer roll-outs from Wilson than we saw last Saturday night, and it was good to see him stay in the pocket on most plays.

    In drills, the D line was working inside pass rush again, with Jones, McDonald, and Howard all looking good to me.

    At TE, Miller, Morrah, and McCoy were all sidelined, so Helfet got a ton of work along with Winslow. In 2-TE formations, both TEs were occasionally on one side, with Winslow essentially playing slot receiver.

    Golden Maplebar was not practicing today, so we got to see all the other WRs cycle through and get some targets. Standing out to me (besides T.O.) was Butler, who looks too talented and professional to not make this team. Tuinei and Martin continue to make plays in practice, as did Durham, though I don’t see how these young guys make this roster. I’ve heard people say that both Edwards and T.O. can’t both make the team, but its going to be hard to out-compete either one of them.

    Wagner and Toomer play with more speed and confidence every time I see them, and I’m liking both these guys. Winston Guy was getting time as the third S with the first offense. Scruggs and Howard were working side by side (DE and DT) with the second D and looking good. Barrett Ruud got some time in with the backups at LB. Jamerson Konz was getting work as a rush LB with the backup nickel D, but looking to me like he’ll be a casualty of early cuts.

    And for the laundry cheerleading section:
    Linemen were in full pads, and the whole team was in football pants for a change. Practice uniforms are gray and blue pants, with jerseys that have a Seahawk on the sleeve. Looks good. They should just play the season in their practice uniforms and ditch the green tulips.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Thanks E.

    The two things here that stood out to me, were Wilson “stepping up” in the pocket, to complete a pass (something I’, anxious to see in live game action), and Red with a “spin move”. Lol Red might be nimble for a big fella, but that doesn’t mean he’s nimble. I love the fact he’s working on things, but maybe he ought to focus on a rip, or a swim. Spin…? lol. I would love to see that in person.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    Sh*t! Sorry Dave. Thanks

  5. Dave Boling says:

    No prob, Duke … hey, lest we question Big Red’s mobility and athleticism, let’s remember he had as many interceptions (2) and more return yards (25 to 19) than Pro Bowl safety Earl Thomas!!!

  6. Palerydr says:

    If anybody cares Felix is perfect through 6….

  7. SandpointHawk says:

    Sneezy it is and shall be, as if his name wasn’t fun already. Thanks Dave.

    Thanks Stevos for the report also.

    This was the last open camp session wasn’t it?

  8. Thanks for the heads-up Palerydr . . .and now he’s perfect through 7.

    Something to follow during this work day . . .

  9. Dukeshire says:

    Haha, touche Dave.

    “They should just play the season in their practice uniforms and ditch the green tulips.” YES!! I would love that.

  10. Dukeshire says:

    A bit off topic, but anyone watching Hard Knocks this season? This is pretty heavy…

    http://deadspin.com/5934930/chad-johnson-getting-cut-made-for-a-devastating-hard-knocks

  11. If Braylon keeps making as many plays as TO, he gets the edge, being nine years younger. Then the question is, do you keep a 38-year-old potential troublemaker over one of the younger guys (Durham, Lockette, Martin, etc.) who could develop into something special? I think if Rice looks healthy and Tate looks solid, then TO should be shown the door.

  12. HonHawksLSB says:

    Dave & Duke – Also let’s not forget that Red can throw the ball off the backboard and do a 360 dunk. Those hops were on display when he tipped that screen pass that would have gone for a big gain.

  13. princeaden says:

    The pass Big Red deflected last Saturday was after an excellent swim move he displayed.

  14. Palerydr says:

    And now perfect through 8….

  15. Thanks for the link, Duke. That was pretty heavy. I wonder how different it would have sounded if the cameras weren’t rolling. Chad may have said a few things about his wife, who knows? I know the incident with his wife probably isn’t as clear-cut as the media has portrayed it. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that his wife slapped him first and then he headbutted her — or something like that. That doesn’t justify what he did, but unless you’ve been in such situations, it’s very easy to judge him. I for one, in spite of this incident, have more positive feelings toward Chad than I do for T.O. He was good for the NFL, and had he spent his entire career in Seattle, we would have loved him.

    Funny how both Chad and Houshmanzadeh couldn’t do anything outside of Cincy. They should have retired as Bengals.

  16. Palerydr says:

    And Felix throws the 3rd perfecto of the season second at Safeco!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. I know I know, this is a football blog. But that M’s game was sublime. Havnt screamed that loud since beastquake.

  18. King Felix Hernandez. First perfect game in 35 year Mariner history.

  19. Big Red also lept to knock down a pass today at the LOS. He’s ready to raise hell this season.

  20. “Backup tackle Alex Barron had another false start today.” I wonder if he went back to 1st grade if the teacher could teach him to count?

  21. bbnate420 says:

    I agree Sandpoint, Sneezy it is from here on out. 8)

    Forget Flynn and RW, sign effin King Felix to be the Qb!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. bbnate420 says:

    Did Big Red set off a Beastquake when he landed?

  23. bbnate420 says:

    Dave or Stevos, was Malcolm Smith practicing today?

  24. “Forget Flynn and RW, sign effin King Felix to be the Qb!!!!!!!!!!! ”

    Love that — and you know, he’s got better NFL size than either of them . . .

  25. Soggybuc says:

    I would be very happy with a high percentage short to intermediate passing game to compliment a strong run. that is a first down clock eating type of offense that can win against any opponent.
    Flynn might not have a cannon arm that can zip it into a tight window 60+ yards but he has enough of one to get it behind a blown coverage for a big gain when the opportunity presents itself, until it does just move the chains and eat the clock.
    If you think Russel looks good now imagine what he can do with a year or two of learning the NFL game. I hope you realize that while a tremendous talent their are defenses out there that would salivate to get the rookie. Dick Lebeau and the zone blitz would eat him alive.

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    King Felix for sure!

    Dukeshire- are you warming up now to big Red? It wasn’t that way awhile back. Lol.

  27. Soggybuc says:

    Grats to Felix!

  28. bbnate420 says:

    Root Spors at 7:30 pm, western standard time. Replay of perfection.

  29. bbnate420 says:

    Missed it live. Will DEFINITELY watch the entire thing on replay.

  30. Dave Boling says:

    Answer: I think Malcolm Smith was out today … hammy, I think. I don’t have my list in front of me now. But there were a number not practicing. Anybody named McCoy was on the sideline. With Anthony McCoy, Zach Miller and Cameron Morrah all on the sideline, Sean McGrath got a lot of tight end action. Golden, as I said. Moffitt, of course. Mike Morgan was out, too. With Lemuel Jeanpierre out for the day, rookie Rishaw Johnson worked as backup center. I might add: Snapping to a quarterback in shotgun formation is currently a skill somewhat foreign to Rishaw Johnson.

  31. fijihawksfan says:

    If J.R. is Sneezy, who along the O-line would be Grumpy? What about Dopey?

  32. Moffitt did get suspended last year for being “Dopey.”

    Our head coach is Mr. “Happy.”

    Breno plays like he’s “Grumpy.”

    Most centers are in charge of the OL so I’d say Unger is “Doc.”

    Barron would be “Sleepy” b/c he never is awake to hear the snap count. He just rocks asleep and is offside.

    I can’t really think of a “Bashful.”

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Bobbyk-Lol.

    Bashful is Okung? But full of bash.

  34. Soggybuc says:

    Basheful would have to be Carpenter, he’s sooooo shy you never get to see him on the field!

  35. fijihawksfan says:

    Lutui isn’t very talkative, is he? He could be Bashful. But he’s also from Ha’api, Tonga, which is about the most beautiful place on earth.

  36. bbnate420 says:

    Thanks Dave. Hopefully Smith can get back out there soon. It seemed like he was playing well before the injury. Same old story.

  37. bbnate420 says:

    McCoy could be Dropey? Is there a dwarf named Dropey?????

  38. fijihawksfan says:

    This is O-line only.

  39. bbnate420 says:

    Moffitt should be be Speedy. He was suspended for taking low grade amphetamines! Actually, I think it’s distasteful to call him out for that. I don’t know the protocol, but it should’ve been disclosed to the NFL office. If someone really has ADHD, adderall doesn’t work like a upper for them. It speeds up the part of the brain that cannot focus. That is the problem. It speeds it back to normal levels and makes them act normally. They cannot focus because that portion of their brain is working too slowly.

  40. I agree and I like Moffitt. But for the purpose of the dwarf jokes, it fit in (even if it wasn’t “dope”). All meant in good fun.

  41. bbnate420 says:

    I got you, Bobby. I didn’t think you were necessarily being serious. Dope is a weird word. I think it forms a fairly stark line between younger people, 30 or under, not that is that young, and people at least a few over 30.

  42. bbnate420 says:

    People that grew up in the 70′s will call marijuana “dope”, but people born in the 80′s or later associate doe with harder drugs like coke or heroin.

  43. Soggybuc says:

    Well, the advent of the internet and blog message boards has done much to re define the term “Dope”

  44. raymaines says:

    I think if the biggest reason we wouldn’t want to sign both TO and Edwards is that it would retard the development of Durham, Lockette, and / or Martin, we should cut the last three and sign the first two right this very minute and start planning to draft a receiver in the first round next April.

  45. raymaines says:

    Soggybuc: Despite all the stupid stuff I’ve posted in the last few weeks, you get my vote for having the funnest post on the thread.

  46. Hammajamma says:

    “Smoke some dope?”

    How old am I?

  47. Soggybuc says:

    LOL, you and me both Ray.

  48. steffonator says:

    It’s really to bad most men don’t realize how they get set up and used by women, we live in a female dominated society and don’t even know it. They’re rough and tough as long as the police and courts keep backing the little darlings..Watch the tears flow.

    Wake-up guys

  49. raymaines, I agree with that. Even though Lockette in particular seems to have a ton of potential (that said, I’ve been fooled by track star WRs before.) I don’t think anyone is making this years 53 based on potential. None of those three are eligible for practice squad so all 3 might be out.

    My guess on 6 WRs:
    Rice
    Baldwin
    T.O.
    Edwards
    Tate
    Butler (or Obomanu)

    practice squad:
    Tuinei
    Bates

    Butler vs Obomanu will be a tough call, I think. I know many think Obo can’t be cut since he’s a good ST gunner, but we now have a lot of fast players on this team to play ST. I’ve always liked Obomanu, but he looks pretty average compared to the rest of these guys. Watching Butler, I can’t help thinking he can do everything Tate can do, but quicker and more precisely.

  50. nighthawk2 says:

    No, Russell Wilson is one of the 7 Dwarfs. Checked his height?

    Alex Barron sucked in St. Louis and he’ll suck here.

    These uni’s with the lime green have got to go. Seattle now has the ugliest uniforms in the NFL.

    And when are we going to find out if Lynch is going to get suspended or not? I want to know if having Turbin on the bench of my fantasy teams is worthwhile or not.

  51. nighthawk2 says:

    “It’s really to bad most men don’t realize how they get set up and used by women, we live in a female dominated society and don’t even know it. They’re rough and tough as long as the police and courts keep backing the little darlings..Watch the tears flow.

    Wake-up guy”

    Amen. Preach on brother.

  52. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – You may have me confused with someone else; I’ve always liked Red.

  53. nidhighe says:

    “It’s really to bad most men don’t realize how they get set up and used by women, we live in a female dominated society and don’t even know it. They’re rough and tough as long as the police and courts keep backing the little darlings..Watch the tears flow.”

    If you’re having a problem with women, dude, maybe it’s you and not them. Seriously. What a nasty post to make, and totally irrelevant.

  54. I’ve never seen Butler do anything “quick” in a real NFL game. He’s one of the slowest (i.e. Not Fast) “fast” players I’ve ever seen.

  55. “And for the laundry cheerleading section:
    Linemen were in full pads, and the whole team was in football pants for a change. Practice uniforms are gray and blue pants, with jerseys that have a Seahawk on the sleeve. Looks good. They should just play the season in their practice uniforms and ditch the green tulips.”

    I couldn’t agree more with how good the practice unis look. Minimalistic instead of gaudy. The blue jerseys and grey pants look great together.

    https://www.facebook.com/SeahawkUniforms

  56. “If you’re having a problem with women, dude, maybe it’s you and not them. Seriously. What a nasty post to make, and totally irrelevant.”

    Why didn’t you sign that post, Danielle?!

  57. Apparently steffonator got stephanated. Women can be viscious…and much more so than any man I’ve ever known…how is this relevant to football? Look at all the domestic violence complaints against players….I would bet at least 80% are totally bogus. Many women will willingly lie and manipulate in ways that would never occur to most men. Many women are pretty and smell nice…but be careful!

  58. Uhhhhh what the sh*t is going on with our football blog?

    I can’t find the source of the derailment other than steffanators random ass post.

  59. nidhighe says:

    “Why didn’t you sign that post, Danielle?!”

    I was seriously annoyed and hit the post button too soon. Why, are you keeping track of when I do or don’t sign my posts?

    –Danielle

  60. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t know that anyone is keeping track exactly, but you’re the only one who signs their posts with something other than their regular handle. It stands out when you don’t do it, now.

  61. Dukeshire says:

    I have to say too, that this is one of the lamer threads this preseason / camp has seen; half of it is silly nicknames and the ladder devolved into a debate about misogyny / or lack of sense of humor, I can’t tell which. Football again please…

  62. bobbyk – If you’re talking about how Deon Butler played last year (looking slowed) I would agree. He was rehabbing from a monster leg injury. This year he looks to me like he has his old quickness and wiggle back. The dude has a lot of juke in his routes and is hard to cover in practice. I imagine he’ll probably get cut simply due to numbers at the WR spot (and I do think Tate is coming on this year and deserves a spot). But if Butler avoids injury I still think he’s a real talent for some team.

  63. Dukeshire says:

    I agree with Bobby here: Butler, even before the leg injury, played rather slow for all his 40 time speed. I think part of that is due to his size. It doesn’t take much for a corner to knock him around and really disrupt his route and quickness.

  64. And I totally agree with Stevos as to who will be our 6 WRs kept. I’d prefer to keep Butler over Obo as well, but think Special Teams ability and willingness will ultimately win Ben the final spot.

    Lockette – not enough progress from next year
    Durham – same as above

    Other guys on the practice squad makes total sense.

  65. RDPoulsbo says:

    Butler might actually have legitimate trade value. The numbers game might leave him on the outside, but he could be an upgrade in the middle of the depth charts for a lot of teams. I hear Miami is shopping for a new WR…

    One thing that can’t be overlooked is while the WRs have had minor injuries and there’s the Miller concussion, the team has stayed remarkably healthy while players are going down all over the place elsewhere.

  66. We need another article quick! Snow White is pissed at all the dwarfs!

  67. What I’ve seen of Butler tells me he is the quickest player on the field at the VMAC these days. But his slight build will always be a disadvantage, and he does get knocked off his deep routes, but so does Tate. But I guess I like his quickness and wiggle on his inside routes, while Tate needs to flat out-run people to get open, or receive those 1-yard H-back routes.

    Not a bad choice, really, between Tate or Butler. I think we will see a ton of 1-yard passes from Flynn turned into 8 yard gains by Tate this year. I just think Butler can do that plus a little more.

    Obo – may make the team again for his blocking and Teams play. But Edwards and Owens may replace that blocking this year, and younger guys like Toomer, Guy, Johnson, Lane give us plenty of young speed to play Teams.

    Another WR that is a PS candidate I forgot to mention is Bates.

    Biggest disappointment of this year’s camp to me: Lockette.

  68. grizindabox24 says:

    Stevos, guys like Toomer, Guy, Johnson, and Lane will most likely not make the final 53. You need to take a minute and figure out what you see as the 53 man opening day roster…once you do, it will be apparent that Obo will most likely be the 6th wr because of his ST play.

  69. bbnate420 says:

    If either Butler or Obo is playing significant time at WR, we are in trouble there IMO.

    The more I think about it, the more I am in favor of keeping both Edwards and TO. Rice is about to turn 26, Baldwin is about to turn 24, and Tate just turned 24. The weird thing is that Lockette is actually older than all 3, at 26 already. Didn’t realize that until recently. That’s 3 fairly young receivers. Plus, Edwards isn’t exactly ancient at 29. Hope we see TO in at least the final 2 preseason games. TO and Edwards also provide the size missing with BMW gone and if Rice is injured again. Also, WR seems to be the area that will receive the most attention in the offseason, depending on what happens with the QBs.

  70. bbnate420 says:

    I agree that Obo will prob be the 6th WR, but I think that both Toomer and Guy will make the 53 and Lane has a pretty good shot as well. Maxwell didn’t look very good in the first preseason game and Thurmond will be on the PUP list.

  71. grizindabox24 says:

    DB- Browner/Sherman/Trufant/Thomas/Kam/Lewis/Adams/Maragos (Lane, Guy, Johnson have work to do)

    LB- Wright/Wagner/Hill/Farwell (that leave probably 2 spots open for Morgan/Smith/Toomer/McCoy/Ruud

  72. bbnate420 says:

    I think Guy makes it over Adams for sure. Guy is the only other safety with size and he could play FS too is need be.

  73. bbnate420 says:

    *if need be

  74. grizindabox24 says:

    Based on where people are playing

    CB- Browner/Sherman/Trufant/Adams
    S- Thomas/Kam/Lewis/Maragos

    Guy could make it if Lewis is moved to CB, but I do not think that will be the case. Lane probably has a better chance to bump Adams.

  75. grizindabox24, Those competitions of guys on the bubble that I wrote are based on my own assessment of the 53.

    Why do you think “guys like Toomer, Guy, Johnson, and Lane will most likely not make the final 53″? Everything I’ve seen says Toomer and Guy will be.

    Lewis is competing with Adams, Maxwell and Lane at CB. Two of them should make the 53. Lane should go to PS. Adams got his audition in camp this past week but hasn’t won a job yet.

    Thomas, Chancellor, and Maragos are locks at S. Guy and Johnson should both make the team also.

    Put it all together and its a lot more young speed than last year. Obo is starting to get old for special teams collisions. Guys can only do that job for so many years.

  76. grizindabox24 says:

    Stevos, Obo will be the 6th wr. I think they only keep 1 from Maragos/Guy/Johnson (2 at most) since I believe they plan to use Lewis as depth at safety.

  77. That could happen griz.

    I think Maragos makes the team as ETs backup at FS. After that the 4th and 5th S spots are very competitive.

    But its still early.
    Aug. 28: Roster cutdown to 80 players
    Sept. 2: Roster cutdown to 53 players.

  78. nidhighe says:

    “don’t know that anyone is keeping track exactly, but you’re the only one who signs their posts with something other than their regular handle. It stands out when you don’t do it, now.”

    Fair enough. I think I’m going to just create a new account so my name and my username are the same.

    –Danielle

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