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Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 13, 2012 at 3:22 pm with 86 Comments »
August 13, 2012 4:35 pm

As promised, here’s a closer look at the Seattle Seahawks roster heading into the second preseason game against Denver this week

And I want to give a shout out to Tyler Welch once again for taking the time to update our excel spreadsheet of the Seattle Seahawks 90-man roster, which you can check out here.

There’s several roster competitions to watch for as we head into the meat of the exhibition season. The three-way quarterback competition (which actually appears to be a two-man race), is front and center. But there are others to keep an eye on throughout the roster that I’ll point to below.


Number kept last season: Three

Currently on roster: Four

Average number kept since 2008: Three

Locks: Matt Flynn, Russell Wilson

Looking good: Josh Portis

Longer odds: Tarvaris Jackson

Comment – It’s not a good sign if you’re supposedly part of a three-man competition for the starting job and you don’t get a single rep in the exhibition opener. But that’s where Jackson stands right now. Jackson appeared disengaged while watching him on the sideline on Saturday. Several times I witnessed Flynn, Wilson and Portis going over game photos and talking scheme with offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell when the defense was on the field, while Jackson talked with other teammates at a different area of the sideline. Jackson likely is having conversations with his agent about his next move. Meanwhile, Pete Carroll faces a conundrum heading into next week’s game at Denver – continue to go with Flynn as the starter in order to establish more rhythm with the first unit, or give Wilson a chance to see what he can do with the starters after an impressive performance against Tennessee’s reserves? I think Flynn will get another start, so Carroll can see if he plays with the same sort of command on the road with the first unit.


Number kept last season: Four

Currently on roster: Seven

Average number kept since 2008: 4.75

Locks: Marshawn Lynch, Leon Washington, Robert Turbin and Michael Robinson.

Longer odds: Kregg Lumpkin, Tyrell Sutton, Vai Taua,

Comment – I thought Turbin looked solid in his NFL debut against Tennessee. He showed pretty good vision through the hole, did a nice job of running through contact and showed nice hands out of the backfield. However, I was even more impressed with the way Leon Washington ran. I thought Washington ran more physical than I remembered from last season. And those two developments are good signs, because Seattle might have to lean on both if Lynch is suspended to start the season. Lumpkin also showed good hands out of the backfield. Taua is a player who has caught my eye as well. Another physical runner, Taua was on the practice squad most of last year, and did a nice job of giving the defense a good look during practice. He’s now switched to fullback, and has done a nice job both as a lead blocker and flashing some speed catching the ball out of the backfield.


Number kept last season: Six

Currently on roster: 13

Average number kept since 2008: 5.25

Locks: Sidney Rice, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate.

In the hunt: Ben Obomanu, Braylon Edwards, Terrell Owens, Deon Butler.

Longer Odds: Kris Durham, Ricardo Lockette, Charly Martin, Jermaine Kearse, Phil Bates, Lavasier Tuinei.

Comment – The interesting competition will be what happens between Braylon Edwards and Terrell Owens. Both are veterans whose dominant playing days are behind them, and both have similar skill sets that they bring to the table for Seattle. Edwards was impressive against Tennessee, finishing with a team-high three receptions for 51 yards. And he’s also consistently made plays in training camp the past week after the arrival of Owens. Seattle likely will keep just one of the veteran receivers. Obomanu has versatility because of his ability to play all three receiver positions and special teams, while Butler has served as the backup slot receiver behind Baldwin. Lockette and Durham need to start playing at a more consistent level or they will be headed for the practice squad, where they could receive competition from Tuinei, Bates and Kearse to remain with the team.


Number kept last season: Three

Currently on roster: Six

Average number kept since 2008: 3.25

Locks: Zach Miller, Kellen Winslow Jr.

Looking good: Anthony McCoy, Cameron Morrah

In the hunt: Sean McGrath

Longer odds: Cooper Helfet

Comment – The arrival of Winslow has taken some pressure off of Miller and actually made him more of a target in the passing offense because he has a better matchup in coverage. However, the team has to be concerned that Miller received his fourth concussion in over two years against Tennessee. McCoy had another drop against the Titans on Saturday, but I still think he’s too talented of an athlete and blocker to leave off the roster. And Morrah gives you another pass-catching tight end behind Winslow. McGrath looks like an athletic, talented tight end you can groom on the practice squad.


Number kept last season: 9

Currently on roster: 15

Average number kept since 2008: 9.5

Locks: Russell Okung, Paul McQuistan, Max Unger, John Moffitt, James Carpenter, Breno Giacomini

In the hunt: J.R. Sweezy, Lemuel Jeanpierre, Deuce Lutui, Frank Omiyale, Allen Barbre, Alex Barron.

Longer odds: Rishaw Johnson, Paul Fanaika, Edwan Coughman.

Comment – Okung, Unger and Giacomini have emerged as the leaders of this group, and helped raise the level of play for the entire unit. Guys like Okung and Moffitt staying healthy remain an issue, but unlike in years past, the Seahawks have proven, experienced depth that can step in and contribute if someone goes down. Case in point: Moffit will be out with an elbow injury for a couple weeks, and Lutui is more than capable to step in and keep performing at the same level. But the story of this group has been the transition of seventh rounder Sweezy from a defensive lineman to an offensive guard. He’s worked some with the first unit and more than held his own. Don’t be surprised if Sweezy takes a roster spot from one of these veterans.


Number kept last season: Eight

Currently on roster: 13

Average number kept since 2008: 9.25

Locks:Chris Clemons, Red Bryant, Alan Branch, Brandon Mebane, Clinton McDonald, Bruce Irvin, Jason Jones.

In the hunt: Jaye Howard, Pep Levingston, Dexter Davis, Pierre Allen, Greg Scruggs.

Longer odds: Cordarro Law.

Comment – I think the top seven guys are locked in, and you have five guys fighting for the final two spots in Howard, Levingston, Davis, Allen and Scruggs if Seattle keeps nine defensive lineman. Levingston looks improved from last season, and Allen has consistently created pass rush off the edge. Scruggs has a similar skill set to Jason Jones, and offers versatility because he can play both defensive tackle and defensive end. Davis is dealing with a different hip issue from last season, and needs to make some plays in order to stay in the conversation for a roster spot.


Number kept last season: Seven

Currently on roster: 12

Average number kept since 2008: 6.25

Locks: K.J. Wright, Leroy Hill, Bobby Wagner, Heath Farwell.

In the hunt: Barrett Rudd, Mike Morgan, Malcolm Smith, Korey Toomer.

Longer odds:

Jameson Konz, Allen Bradford, Kyle Knox, Matt McCoy.

Comment – McCoy, Konz and Ruud haven’t been healthy enough to factor into the competition. Wagner played better than expected against Tennessee, flashing speed and good instincts. The middle linebacker job looks like his to lose. And Farwell, considered just a special teams guy, has played surprisingly well at middle backer with the second unit. I’ve been real impressed with the progress of Morgan. He’s a solid special teams player, has a knack for the big play and also can rush the passer in a pinch. I’m still waiting for the athletically talented Toomer to make some flash plays.


Number kept last season: Six

Currently on roster: 10

Average number kept since 2008: Five

Locks: Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, Walter Thurmond, Marcus Trufant.

Looking good: Roy Lewis, Phillip Adams.

On the bubble: Byron Maxwell, Coye Francies, Ron Parker, Jeremy Lane.

Comment – Lewis and Trufant have a pretty good battle going at nickel cornerback, with Lewis slightly out in front in my opinion. And although he’s been beaten a couple times, I like the aggressive way that Lane plays, both on the outside and as the nickel back. I think he fits Carroll’s style of a big, physical corner that can cover and make plays. Both Francies and Parker have flashed at times, but among the backup corners I think Adams has been the most consistent. Maxwell needs to step his game up – he has the talent, but is getting beat deep too much.


Number kept last season: Five

Currently on roster: Six

Average number kept since 2008: 4.25

Locks:Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor.

In the hunt: Jeron Johnson, Chris Maragos, Winston Guy

Longer odds: DeShawn Shead

Comment – Johnson, Maragos and Guy have an interesting battle going for that third and fourth safety spot. Maragos was the backup for Thomas last year, but Johnson has played some single safety at times this year. Guy gives Seattle a similar athlete as Chancellor who can play inside the box in Seattle’s “Big Nickel” package, similar to Atari Bigby. And don’t count out Shead – he has made some plays during training camp.


Specialists kept last season: Three

Currently on roster: Four

Average number kept since 2008: 3.25

Locks: (P) Jon Ryan, (LS) Clint Gresham.

Looking good: (K) Steven Hauschka.

Longer odds: (K) Carson Wiggs

Comment – Hauschka was 2-for-2 on field goals against Tennessee and appeared to be a little longer this year on his kickoffs. But Wiggs impressively booted the ball through the end zone on his kickoff against the Titans.



Roster Analysis
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  1. I could be wrong but I sort of don’t feel like Tate is a lock…

  2. Thanks Eric – I always enjoy your roster analysis’

    Some thoughts –
    I thought Tavaris had QB2 locked up depending on the play of Wilson and his push for the starter. He seems to be making a push but I still think Flynn will be solidified with another solid showing. Tarvaris will be on this team unless he pushes his way out. He has the capability to be a very capable back up. Does he want it though? I think being disengaged in Saturdays game is giving us a glimpse of that. I respect Tavaris and what he did for us (saving us from the embarrassment of Whitehurst) but if he feels he needs to go then he needs to go… I personally hope he stays to give us some security for the rest of the year.. I think it will be telling if we see any play from Portis this preseason. If he plays extensively expect that they are no longer trying to hide him away on the practice squad and that T Jack is on his way out.

    In regards to Wilson. You got to see first hand the organized chaos ive posted about that ensues with RW as your starter. The roll outs, manipulation of the pocket, breaking the pocket. He does it well and plays to his strengths AND weakness’. His comparatively smaller stature that hinders his view allows for a quite deceptive play-action fake which could play perfectly into the way this team is built. I think he still needs to show some consistency in his decision making and could benefit from some further coaching and observation behind Flynn.

    One conundrum that may plague Seattles roster decisions on offense is do we keep some extra depth at RB or Reciever? Typically between these two skilled positions it’s give and take with the average of 10 players.

    1. Lynch
    2. Turbin
    3. Robinson
    4. Washington
    5. Rice
    6. Tate
    7. Obomanu
    8. Baldwin
    9. B. Edwards

    10. Who does this last spot go to?

    Owens – obviously still one of the most skilled wideouts on our team
    Deon Butler – Versatile at all positions, playing solidly
    Lockette – Most improved, high potential
    Lumpkin – Playing well enough to be depth on most teams
    Tua – Most versatile at RB/and FB

    Throw in the extra problem of TE Depth and thats another wrench in the cog….

    We will lose some talented players… Who will it be?

  3. A real roster analysis. Finally. I love this time of year!

    On the D line, I have to think Jaye Howard is making the cut, and probably Pierre Allen. But the competition is intense in this group! Cardarro Law has shown potential as another Leo, and I think he’ll be a PS guy this year. With all the new talent, I think Dexter Davis’ time may have run out.

    WR is a wild race. I think if both T.O. and Edwards make it they will need to keep 7. I don’t see Lockette getting cut with all his potential, unless he keeps getting nicked. Durham and Butler are talented but may need to go elsewhere.

    I think Cameron Morrah is an important backup to Winslow and we’ll need him as the receiving TE if/when Winslow can’t play.

  4. hawkfan777 says:


    I agree with Eric that Tate is a lock. Pete speaks very highly of him and actually points him at as one of the most improved. He is a new regime pick and he will get every opportunity to succeed (I believe).


    I would put money on the the Hawks keeping more than 10 receivers and backs. I bet it will end up being 13 or 14 on the 53 man roster.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree RADEoN.

    I would like to see the FO package him with Jackson for whatever they can get.

  6. Re: Tarvaris – when I saw Michael Vick injure his hand last week the first thing I thought was that Jackson might be the best backup the eagles can find to keep that offense going if Vick goes down. Vick’s injury was minor, but I think TJack would be fortunate to end up as #2 in Philadelphia. And the Eagles could do a lot worse as in, no one they have behind Vick is as good as Jackson.

  7. Tate is a lock. I don’t think he’s a starter, but he might be #2 on the depth chart at all 3 WR positions. Flynn will throw a lot of dink-and-dunks, and Tate will catch a lot of those.

  8. bird_spit says:

    After what TJ gave us last year, I hope all of the best for the guy. Eagles would be a great landing spot.

  9. If you thought it’s painful for Cardinals fans watching Kevin Kolb as their franchise QB, wait until you sit through a full season of Matt Flynn.

    That being said, I do believe what I said at halftime of the game Saturday night on the Chat, “Years from now, we will look back on this moment and think about where we were as the legend of Russell Wilson began.”

  10. bird_spit says:

    pabs – I’m still trying to figure out if you hate Flynn or love Wilson.

    It is getting old your man crush..get a room or something. (or at least buy a jersey)

  11. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    pabuwal, what do you base the flynn/kolb comparison on?

  12. I used to be afraid that Flynn might = Kolb, but at this point I have the impression that Flynn has the cahones Kolb doesn’t have.

    As for Wilson, I think he’s the future. But I don’t think he’s ready to start any time soon. Just MHO.

  13. chuck_easton says:

    pabs basis his Flynn/Kolb comparison on the fact that he hates Flynn and is actively rooting for him to fail.

    That being said, now that it is becoming apparent that Flynn is going to be the starter pabuwal is going to go on record as saying Flynn will be an embarrassment at QB.

    pabs has been consistant. He’d rather have TJack over Flynn. Now his only hope is that Wilson beats him out. Wilson has alot ov potential but he needs at least half a season to a full year of sitting and watching before he’s ready.

  14. Here is a summary of what I wrote before Free Agency started –

    “With his limited arm strength, he has 2 types of passes, the dump off/shallow cross and the deep lob. I have rarely seen him attempt anything else. And because he is unable to make tight window throws, he takes a high amount of sacks. His short-range accuracy is on and off, sometimes it looks great and sometimes the short stuff sails on him.”

    Every single one of these traits was apparent on Saturday night and I can’t think of anything he did to counter them. He took 3 sacks, had a 5.5 YPA, 1 INT and led the team to a meager 3 points in 1 full half. He made some nice short throws but the throw to Zach Miller and Turbin were bad. He also threw an ugly duck up in practice that got Durham hurt. That’s not to say he won’t be better with more action, but I haven’t seen it yet. I doubt it ever happens. He is what he is.

    Long-time readers of the blog will remember my obsession on how overrated Kolb was before the Cardinals eventually landed him – but for vastly different reasons than Flynn. I was afraid the Seahawks were going to give up the bounty for him and luckily, the Cardinals gave up far more.

  15. Chuck – I’ve been a huge fan of Wilson since before the draft, during the draft and after the draft. Duke can attest to this. I like Wilson because I think he will be a great one for the team. I don’t like Flynn because I think he will be mediocre at best.

    And I bring up Kevin Kolb only because before he became a “bust”, he was a fan favorite while I Was one of the few discussing his deficiencies.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “I respect Tavaris and what he did for us (saving us from the embarrassment of Whitehurst) but if he feels he needs to go then he needs to go… I personally hope he stays to give us some security.”

    HawksKd- Lol- How did Jackson save us from the embarrassment of Whitehurst?
    It could easily be the other way around,imo. At least Whitehurst managed to help us win a couple of big games here. Just look at Jacksons 2 minute half stats. Now that’s embarrassing.

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “That being said, now that it is becoming apparent that Flynn is going to be the starter pabuwal is going to go on record as saying Flynn will be an embarrassment at QB.”

    Chuck- Apparently you haven’t been watching Wilson much.Lol.

  18. Pabs has as much faith in Flynn, as I do Jackson.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    At this point I would list McGrath on equal footing as McCoy, at TE. That’s going to be a real battle for the third spot, there.

  20. Well, BobbyK, I don’t think Flynn is “the worst QB in the world” (assuming you still think that about Jackson), but I do think Flynn is mediocre, best.

    Georgia – have the Seahawks ever had a QB with the physical and mental abilities of Russell Wilson? Now what Carroll/Bevell need to do is go to more of a vertical offense with tall, athletic WRs like Payton did for Brees.

  21. bird_spit says:

    Flynn reminds him of the guy that used to make fun of pabs back in high school. It really is sad to hold a grudge on a guy that has a likeness to some one from the past. It’s a shame really. Pabs really has yet to state a reason other than tjack was his man, and now he is beat. I think pabs also had a thing for clipboard jesus. (maybe that is the cause of the dislike of flynn).

  22. 1. Tate will not be cut… Period. Not a fanboy… In fact never been to high on Golden especially with the kids attitude. This is Tates last chance to make a name for himself and he knows it.

    2. Would like to see TJack have some sort of success elsewhere.. But i don’t think it will be in Philly.. All the hype over there is over Nick Foles after last game

    3. It’s not feasible to keep more than 10-11 skill position players at WR/RB. You still have to fill out OL depth and TE. Remember the 54 man roster is for the entire team. Obviously you’ll see around 20-24 on each side of the ball. Thats half of your offensive numbers….

  23. Dukeshire says:

    I’ll say this: *If* Wilson becomes the starter, one won’t find many softer landing spots than what Seattle has right now. Not unlike what Pitts had when Ben got there. But I will say again, WR is the thinnest unit on the team, and that ought to be a priority heading into next year’s draft. (I know, one thing at a time…)

  24. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal and I have had out share of disagreements over the years, but look, he has been crystal clear about why he doesn’t like Flynn as the teams starter. Some may disagree with his assessment (I do), but it’s rooted in his analysis of Flynn’s play, not judgement of his personality, give him that, at least. The guy has been on Wilson’s jock since the Bowl season, because of his talent (height aside) and ability, more than any QB in last years’ draft. Anyway, for what it’s worth…

  25. I mud somewhat agree with Duke on McGrath vs. McCoy…
    McGrath was recruited as an above average blocker but has shown very soft hands at practice. I would actually put him ahead of McCoy… But I must admit have a certain disdain or McCoy so I may be biased…

  26. All I know is that it is pretty clear that BOTH Wilson and Flynn are better right now than Jackson.

    I am perfectly ok going into the season with Flynn knowing full well that Wilson might take the job and run with it after an injury or next year during training camp. Watching Vick makes me nervous for Wilson. I want the guy to really learn an NFL offense before he gets thrown out there – Vick took a ton of hits early in his career and physically he is now paying for it IMO.

    As far as QB’s if Flynn is the starter I think Tjack may still have a spot but if Wilson is named the starter I think they let tjack go. Not sure why.

    Eric (or anyone): OL question – since Carpenter is on the PUP does he take a spot on the 53 man roster? Obviously he does when they activate him. Do you think there is a chance they put him on the IR?

  27. Now that the team actually has some depth and I think there might actually be guys that get cut and picked up by other teams this year. (clearly time will tell on that)

    I think it is time to fish or cut bait with some of the guys who are often injured. I think guys like Thurmond, Davis, Smith, Konz, and maybe a few others will probably be sweating since there are guys who are actually getting time and producing that might be creating a roster spot for themselves

  28. Seahawks2620 says:

    I wonder how many different threads will contain wilson vs. Flynn “arguments”. Haha

  29. Dukeshire says:

    xcman – He does not. I they choose to activate him, they’ll have to cut someone to make room. Or, after the 6 weeks are up, they may choose to IR him and keep things as they are.

  30. Thanks Duke. Back to the discussion about Wilson in the pocket because it is the biggest area of concern I have about him.

    When I watched Wilson in College and last week, it seemed whether he decided to move to the right, run up the middle or throw deep, he always made the right decision (vs Wallace where I held my breath every time he left the pocket). I attributed that to his football IQ, but it could also be he’s just been getting lucky. If he gets the start this week, I hope to see him work the pocket more but also would look to try to figure out if he has been “getting lucky.”

    Regarding the WR core, I do think if they have some combination of Rice, Edwards, Owens and Baldwin as the Top 4, it would make any of the 3 QBs on the roster look pretty good. I was down on the WR group a few weeks ago.

  31. I mean to say, the WR group would elevate each of the 3 QBs play quite a bit.

  32. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    pabuwal i am going to start calling yopu bobbyk2.0, i thought the pass to miller was a good pass into a tight window miller was just unlucky to land the way he did. bottom line is flynn is better than Tjack and wilson will be better if he backs up for a year. i relly believe wilson starts next year.

  33. I really like Rice, Owens, Tate, and Baldwin. I think that group is going to surprise a lot of people this year.

  34. RDPoulsbo says:

    I was down on Tate this offseason, but he’s so far proven me wrong. He actually stepped up and showing he’s capable of being the starting split end. Good for him because the others vying for that spot have been disappointments. He’ll make the team and be a solid contributor if he continues to play like he’s been practicing.

    I figured T-Jack was a lock for #2, but in PC’s world, if you’re not buying in, you’re out. So it looks like he’s out. Right now, I only see Miami as a possible landing spot with the regular season coming up, but not at $4M. Not a good situation either, so I don’t know what he’s thinking.

    pabuwal: You seem to think PC actually wants a vertical passing game. That’s not what he’s been preaching since he came to town. Protect the ball and take shots when you can for big plays, but it’s not a focus. If it were, you’d think he’d be hiring OCs who weren’t WCO guys.

  35. I watched that Miller play a few times and it looked to me that Flynn led Miller too much, right into the Titans player. I didn’t think he had to lead him anywhere near that much. It’s not much different then when Jackson hung Miller out to dry last year (I think it was the Giants game).

  36. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – I think it’s somewhere in between. His speed allows a quick trigger to bail, tolerable because he can generally gain yards. I’m less concerned with his quick clock right now, as I said, I believe that will slow as he becomes more comfortable. But running out the back side of the pocket against NFL speed defenses will earn him a lot of tackles for losses. He’ll have to run up through the outside pressure of his speed is to be a genuine asset as opposed to just a safety net.

  37. Serious question pabuwal:

    You’ve watched the most of Wilson from what it seems… Do you think he is ready to start week one?

  38. Like most of us, I need to see him play against the number 1s of a pretty good Defense in the Broncos to see where he is at. If Carroll had just bit the bullet early on and gave him all the number 1 Reps than I would most likely answer yes to your question right now.

    But even if he’s not ready to start Week 1, the question is, will he eventually give the team performance the other 2 QBs can not? I think it is yes, but he needs the snaps.

    I don’t know if Carroll can live with the growing pains of a young QB in Year 3 after two straight losing seasons. He refused to take a step back his first 2 years so it might be too late to do so now. Wilson can make that decision easy by having a solid showing this weekend.

  39. “I watched that Miller play a few times and it looked to me that Flynn led Miller too much, right into the Titans player.”

    But he was throwing that ball across his body while rolling left – and it was still a very catchable ball to a target that is there to take some hits. Would you be equally critical of Wilson for the same throw?

  40. If I remember from the Video Miller hit his head on the ground not contact with another player – but I can’t find video of it right now

    Speaking of recievers . . . . .

    How many people think they will keep both Owens and Edwards?

  41. RDPoulsbo says:

    Rewatching the Miller play, I see in no way can you call it Flynn’s fault. Both Flynn and Miller were moving right and the strong safety closed from behind and Miller hit his head on the ground. It’s not like Flynn led him into a hit.

  42. I agree with Pabs. Flynn has a noodle arm. Good for short to intermediate passes at best. He does have good command of the huddle, can make adjustments at the line.

    I’m all for Russell Wilson being the starter however I am very interested to see how he does when the pass rush confines him to the pocket. He is used to rolling out and can make plays when flushed out of the pocket, but I am very curious to see what he does when he has to stay in the pocket and throw over everyone.

    Nonetheless, I say start him in Denver and let him gnash his teeth a bit with the starters. I think he’ll do fantastic, but time will tell.

    Flynn = Noodle Arm
    Jackson = Holds on to the ball
    Wilson = Lacks experience (and height)

    Roll the dice and let’s go with the Rookie!


  43. Taking a line from Saturdays reaction post I actually started looking at the schedule

    1 @ Arizona – Based on Line play very winnable
    2 Dallas – The Notre Dame of the NFL always over rated
    3 Green Bay – Brutal game
    4 @ St. Louis – um winnable
    5 @ Carolina – Good first Eastern time zone game should be competitive
    6 New England – Brutal again
    7 @ San Francisco – First super tough road game
    8 @ Detroit – our pass rush and DB’s better be ready to go.
    9 Minnesota – winnable home game
    10 New York – ditto
    11 BYE WEEK
    12 @ Miami – build some confidence after the bye ?
    13 @ Chicago – good team but we seem to always play them well
    14 Arizona – better protect home field
    15 @ Buffalo – will Buffalo be in a late season slide again?
    16 San Francisco – see above
    17 St. Louis – getting ready for post season

    I see 6 games that should be listed as losses – so if you get 1 or 2 of them and don’t boot too many (i.e. Cleveland game last year – 2nd Arizona for that matter) Should be looking at 8-8 to 11-5.

    Time will tell

  44. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    rewatched that miller play a couple of times and have to agree, flynn leads hi m less miller gets killed. that pass had a pretty good zip on it aswell. i think it is a little early to judge flynn or wilson yet by 3rd preseason game we should have a good idea. i personally do not have a problem with starting wilson this year if he wins the job, although i think sitting him for atleast half a season will make him better.

  45. FleaFlicker says:

    Eric, just wondering about the assertion that we’ll keep one of the free agent veterans (Owens & Edwards) but not both. Could you share your thoughts on that one a bit?

    Edwards on his own could be a good receiver and he’s only 29. With Owens, you might just have a year or two of production, but if Sydney Rice gets hurt again Owens has shown remarkable speed for his age and might be able to step in. Just thinking out loud here…

  46. Hawksince77 says:

    Pabs is exactly right – both for his luke-warm appreciation (or lack thereof) of Flynn, and his enthusiasm for Wilson.

    It amazes me that Seahawk fans can be pleased with a QB who puts up a total of 3 points in a full half, and that will an effective run game and decent pass protection. It doesn’t matter that he was playing against a first team defense: that’s the same defense he will play against in the regular season, and that’s not points to win any games unless the defense and/or special team scores.

    Flynn is mediocre, at best. It’s so obvious, and so obviously displayed last Saturday, that I don’t understand the confusion.

    That was Wilson’s first NFL game. As pointed out by PC, he had no support from the running game. He bailed from the pocket because his protection sucked. He made a throw (the one to Edwards) that Flynn can make, but won’t (unless, like in the Detroit game, he has a free play due to a penalty).

    You can’t win in this league playing it safe. That doesn’t mean you have to be reckless, but you do have to be aggressive. Wilson accounted directly for 14 points by being aggressive, and led a drive for a field goal, totallying 17 for the half. Scoring like that will win lots of games for Seattle, given the defense.

    Wilson audibled that naked boot-leg, a call Flynn would be unlikely to make in the same circumstances (the ‘safe’ thing would be to hand the ball off). If he did, he maybe makes some positive yards, but doesn’t score.

    Wilson didn’t look like a rookie (outside of one bad throw). He looked composed, in control, decisive, and quick. And it’s his first game in the bigs. He will do nothing but improve, while what you saw Saturday from Flynn is pretty much what you can expect to see in the future.

    I will be shocked if Wilson is not the day one starter.

  47. Hawksince77 says:

    One more point about Wilson. We get caught up in the big plays, but watch all the routine stuff: with the exception of the screen pass batted down, he executes perfectly. The fake left and pitch right was awesome – any one other than the 5th string RB would have taken that for a big gain (as I recall, he had one man to beat and slipped on the turf for a minimal gain – but that play could have gone for much more).

    The hand-offs, the short passes – even throwing the ball away the one time he was flushed and was retreating backwards.

    All this with guys unlikely to even make the practice squad (Charly Martin, for instance).

    Also he had to suffer several penalties, including two drive-killing false-starts from his two tackles (although it’s possible Wilson is partially responsible – I don’t know).

    The point is, not only did he make the big agressive plays work for points, he did everything else to near perfection. I mean, he’s not the one who fumbled the shot-gun snap, or let himself get run down from behind by the DT for a sack.

    And as for Flynn’s INT, I don’t understand the explanation. It was a botched play-action fake, one that faliled to keep the MLB from retreating into coverage. Well, isn’t that the kind of thing we’d expect a smart, seasoned vet to recognize, and take the play elsewhere? That sounds to me more like a rookie mistake to me.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    “Flynn is mediocre, at best. It’s so obvious, and so obviously displayed last Saturday, that I don’t understand the confusion.” Lol. Hard to refute rock solid evidence like that. Case closed.

  49. Hawksince77 says:

    So on third thought, perhaps Flynn CAN improve. If the MLB doesn’t fall for the PA fake, don’t make that throw.

  50. that Flynn can make, but won’t . . . Based on?!?!?!?! One half of Pre – season Football?

    also, go look at how open receivers were (or not) in the first half. How often was Edwards/Tate Open against the #1’s or even close to it down field.

    On the Sack in the red Zone I would have loved to have seen Flynn just get rid of the ball – The pocket closed he moved forward – waited and waited for the TE who was WIDE open in the field to turn around – he never did. There was literally no where to go with the ball. Had he thrown it it would have been Grounding.

    As many have said –

    Expect to see Wilson Start at Denver – then lets make comparisons. I do want to see Wilson against the #1’s and we will see Owens and hopefully Baldwin play then as well

  51. owenbytheway says:

    Good to see one of the most intriguing annual threds …

    Not a lot to argue with your locks, Eric, but …

    TJack is not yet out the door, although your comments about him hanging around the wrong group on the sideline doesn’t mean he is sneaking a smoke. PC sez over and over “I know what he can do,” He remains one of the top 5 BACKUP QB’s in the nfl, til all of a sudden Wilson shows up.
    If not traded, he will be kept and Portis will go to practice squad again.

    It’s bizarre, but Taua has been missing from the official site roster for over a month … does that mean check your tea leaves, or just an inept intern. Is Turbin getting reps at FB? No. That leaves Taua over Lumpkin … but, every year i think they will carry 5 backs. I think Taua still qualifies for PS, but not certain. Thus this jabber.

    This team will acquire another WR from the final mess of cuts, or before, unless Owens is spectacular from here to the start of the season. Who steps up to #1 if the fragile Mr. Sidney can’t go? They need another vet, so it’s Edwards … and Owens and a new vet. Charly Martin might have made the PS Saturday night, and wouldn’t be surprised to see Bates or Tunei there also. Afraid Durham and Locketee have sealed there own disappointments and Obo and Butler are more stale than 3 day old tuna sandwiches … good enough three years ago, but not now.

    TE is tight and, Shire Steward, McGrath does take spot from McCoy who was a wonder you always have to wonder about. It is like he just cannot concentrate at times. Possibly Helfet to PS.

    OL locks with exception of Carpenter. He will be out for the year unless Sweezy and Lutui make the squad and can’t perform. I like both those guys and Carpenter hasn’t even been practicing. Maybe, at six weeks, but I doubt it. JeanPierre plays other positions besides back-up center, and that will get him a job. That’s eight without Carpenter, and 9 could be anyone as we haven’t got a lot on info
    on the bubbleators.

    DL, OH MY!!! Yes on locks, plus Scruggs or Allen with the odd one to PS. Howard developing slower but expect big improvement in next two weeks and he will be on final 53. And Levingston is close. Davis too injured too often as XC grouped his transients on their way to a new crop.

    LB’s in 53 will include Toomer. They like this guy more than you might think. If a numbers crunch to 53, they will PUP Ruud or release him. I know they had to give Wagner a lot of time against the Titans, but Ruud remains mostly in hiding. I think they will take someone else’s reject from the last cutdown batch, probably an MLB.
    Don’t know if Cordaro Law fits in. He looked foolish a couple times last Saturday night.

    I am tossing in my name for the DB’s: “Clockwork Blue”. They are scary and together and appear from nowhere working off the same existential gear – which moves quick and fast and precise. Kind of a cross between old Dutch soccer squad when viewed from the stands, but you don’t want to try to take it apart when you see how well it works at ground level. Oh, yeah, and that movie.

    CB spot to Trufant by default, as Thurmond remains injured from college unless they pup him forever. Lewis talks a good line but it would take a really good vet from another club cutdown to replace him as he seems indeared to this group of peers, and the coaching staff, even though they know he will make one big play then mess up on the next. Special teams may save his job.

    Phillip Adams makes the final 53, either at S or CB. He has finally recovered from his injurys. Remember how he looked in Seahawks camp when first drafted? He has arrive.

    Jauron Johnson seems to have his Boise State swagger back. Penalties early last year hurt him. Had high hopes for Winston Guy, but now it looks like the practice squad

    Finally, Wiggs wins the kicking job or they move him to the practice squad … but with three weeks left I think he beats out Hauschka.
    They had Hauschka in their for those 40 yarders just to measure his leg against another team. It meant a lot more than a practice game
    for him methinks.

    Two, maybe three more additions coming in next three weeks.

    Stay tuned as I’m sure we all will.

  52. Hawksince77 says:

    Duke, you are right: I was being kind. An NFL QB who puts up 3 points in a half, earns a QB rating less than 60, gets sacked twice, fumbles a snap, and throws a rookie INT is actually below average, at least for that game. We’d have to project significant improvement to break the mediocre barrier.

  53. That sounds to me more like a rookie mistake to me.

    You mean like the one in the endzone when Wilson never looked off his primary and floated a lame duck into the endzone that 2 titans had a better line on than the Hawks- when – oh the RB was open in the flat. and the receiver on the side is also breaking open

  54. Hawksince77 says:

    xcman – based on watching every game/throw Flynn has made, not just that half. It’s an agressive play, one that he has only done once (in limited action) and that to Jordy Nelson after an off-sides flag had been thrown.

  55. Hawksince77 says:

    xcman – no doubt, Wilson’s INT was ugly and had rookie written all over it. But it’s a good thing he threw it – imagine for a moment had he thrown a TD pass on that play. What we’d be thinking.

  56. Dukeshire says:

    Are you drinking alone or all by yourself tonight? lol

  57. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    pabs/ hawk77 you bash flynn when the offense they are running is vanilla at best with for the most part number 2 receivers. the guy has played one game as a hawk and you are beating the crap out him.
    i just watched the first half again and for the most part our receivers stunk it up. that throw to miller was a great throw plenty of zip on it right where it needed to be. give the guy a break and let’s see how this plays out.

    as far as wilson, can we please take off the rose colored glasses? that throw for the Td is a pic more often than not by a starting corner. watched it repeatedly ball was a duck rainbow throw that died at the end. loved the Td but let’s be honest it was underthrown and as i said browner or sherman picks that pass clean. we have all seen this before it is a lot easier to look good against the 3rd string.
    i say sstart him this week and see how it goes.
    last year it was painful to watch QB play last nite was great they both did what they had to do.

  58. Nice article, Eric.

  59. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Georgia – have the Seahawks ever had a QB with the physical and mental abilities of Russell Wilson? Now what Carroll/Bevell need to do is go to more of a vertical offense with tall, athletic WRs like Payton did for Brees.”

    No Pabs, not in my opinion. Wilson has the it factor. Just like Baldwin did last year.
    I really like Flynn, however Wilson is Flynn premium in, imo.

  60. RDPoulsbo says:

    It’s not just the duck thrown to Edwards for a TD, but the throw across the body to Martin. A 1st string MLB snags that ball before Martin has a chance. I really am tired of the, but he was also playing with 3rd stringers argument. By that logic, a player who plays well in college should play well in the NFL. Of course we see every year that’s not the case. Hell, CBJ could light it up against 3rd stringers in preseason. Some people right here were even demanding he start over Hass or T-Jack.

    It will be easier to compare if Wilson starts with the 1s next week, but even then I have my doubts that he’ll be named the regular season starter. Virtually every beat reporter or visiting sports writer who have seen them on the practice field can’t be wrong when they say it’s Flynn’s job to lose.

  61. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hawksince77- You saved me so much time. Lol.

    Everyone just look at Hawksince77s latest postings to see how I think things really are in Seahawk land.

  62. Hawksince77, I side with you on this one. If our goal is to not just make the playoffs but win the superbowl, we need to start Russell Wilson right away. Let him make his rookie mistakes but also make dynamic, brilliant plays that neither Flynn or Jackson are capable of. I think Pete realized this early on and a light bulb turned on for him.
    With Flynn, he was looking to upgrade from TJ, a better more poised game manager. But Pete saw that with Wilson
    We could have someone that is all pro, all world. And that’s why he opened this thing up.
    This is a make or break year for PC, he basically needs to go at least 9-7 or he may be on the hot seat next year as hard as that may be for us to admit. Everyone is willing to write off losses to GB and NE in order to end up at 9-11 wins, but guess who we will play in the playoffs? That’s right, teams led by Rodgers, Manning, Brees, and Brady.
    Do you really have that much confidence in Flynn, that you’d feel comfortable going against the cream of the crop with him as our QB? That’s putting too much on our D, as good as they may end up being, and I don’t think we’re there yet. We can’t be compared to the ravens, steelers, niners D until we rank top 5 for a few consecutive years like they have. Let’s not settle for mediocrity, for just good enough. Let’s shoot for the moon. You know Pete would like the sound of that. Win forever baby.

  63. Excuse me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Flynn throw for a zillion yards and a whole bunch of TDs in his last game and won a shootout with stats that guys like Favre and Rodgers have never had? Sure, the Detroit secondary wasn’t good, but guys like Suh were coming after him and that Lions DL is pretty dang good and he knew he had to get rid of the ball. He also never got to play with all of those supposed superstars on the Green Bay offense that inflated his numbers, as they didn’t play a good starting OL, RB, superstar QB, and #1 and #4 WR that game. It baffles me to think he’s already won a shootout and people only talk about him being a game manager (which is fine if that’s what Mr. Happy wants) with no potential to ever put up big numbers. I think he has guts and “it” and those things don’t measure like arm strength does. However, I think Wilson may also have the “it” factor and that’s why I don’t really care who wins this competition.

  64. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK- Yes you are excused, and yes you are wrong. Lol. Wilson is just better.

  65. Soggybuc says:

    Enough of all this “Football” crap, I think the Sea Gal’s are poised to be a top 3 squad again this year!

  66. I had a hard time taking my eyes off of Russell Wilson… and no, not in the same way Soggybuc leers at the Seagals. I told my sons to make a point to remember the game….we were there live…that this guys is going to be something really special.

  67. Couple comments on the QB situation…

    Flynn reminds me a LOT of Hass in his early years. Not a huge arm (not Rick Mier soft either), but very accurate.

    Wilson had a bit of a tendancy to immediately slide to the right and “scarmble” right. It will take time but based on the very limited amount of NFL game experience, he needs o learn to step up in the pocket better ala Brees.

    One comment and question on the DB’s…Lane specifically.

    The anaylsis makes it sound as if he is a big, strong corner, but seeing him in the game my first impression was that he looked too skinny and not strong enough to play good man-to-man. I thought he looked a bit like a taller Jennings…Almost frail in the upper body, arms, etc. Can anyone who’s seen him in person comment?


  68. bird_spit says:

    This is the best I have felt about our hawks QB play since before Warren Moon’s last DWI. I think the QB order will shake out quickly in Denver. Trust in Pete to make the right choice… I suspect the team is very happy about what they saw by both of those guys.

  69. Bobby’s right, Flynn did throw for “a zillion” yards (about) against Detroit last year and did not show a “noodle arm”.

    Well, not exactly.

    Against Detroit, Flynn put up 5 passes of over 20 years. 3 were incompletions, floaters, off-target. And 2 were TOUCH DOWNS. One of those TDs was a near carbon-copy of the pass Wilson threw to Edwards last Saturday night, except that Flynn’s was more perfectly thrown as he hit his WR in stride. We haven’t seen it in Seattle, but Flynn can throw a pretty deep ball.

    Other than those 5 deep balls, Flynn’s repertoire consisted of the familiar high-percentage dink-and-dunk game we’ve now seen.

    Missing from Flynn’s repertoire are deep slants, passes that require some arm strength to complete without risking an INT. The Packers just didn’t ask Flynn to throw any.

    Will Flynn’s lack of a rocket arm limit the offense Bevell wants to implement? Yes. (That’s why we had a QB competition.) But if his short game is precise and he can hit the occasional deep post. Bevell may be able to hide Flynn’s weakness without eliminating too much of his playbook.

  70. make that “5 passes of over 20 yards” damn spellcheck. lol.

  71. I think some of the folks here need to take a look at the coverage Flynn was throwing against if they are going to present their opinions in a factual matter. It’s easy to look at the box score an compare yardage. It’s easy to be drawn in to the throw and catch. If you are going to evaluate a QBs decision making at least have an idea of what is entailed in that decision.

    I thought Flynn played very well and controlled. He saw a lot of cover 2 with safety’s rolled up. The offense didn’t really do anything fancy to break cover 2. My constant knock on Flynn is that he checks down very quickly to his outlet before he lets a play develop. As good as miller is he is not exactly a zone buster like Kellen Winslow. Again Flynn played very controlled. I may be in the minority when I say I would like to see Flynn start again. Perhaps they split the first half up between the 2.

  72. Bobbyk, Flynn did throw for 480, I remember being shocked as I sat watching the hawks lose to the cards at u of p stadium. But you have to concede that we don’t have anyone like jordy Nelson or Greg Jennings, even if rice is healthy. Wilson can scramble and make things happen. Believe me flynn scares no one, but niners fans are crapping their pants at the prospect of Wilson starting for us and playing much better than smith. I think flynn will do ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s just that with Wilson we can be very scary.

  73. Skavage –

    I have had a close look at lane at training camp and I agree.. I was also puzzled by Erics comment as I do not remember Lane standing out as an imposing DB but ido remember him as playing pretty well.

  74. HawksKD, I didn’t know you could present an opinion in a factual matter. That’s why they are opinions, not facts. We can debate this until the cows come home, but these are all just guesses after all. And i could care less about stats and yardage, its the TYPE of plays that Wilson made that were explosive and dynamic. Thats what we are all talking about when we say RW has IT. Its just a gut feeling by knowledgeable football fans who have watched their fair share of football games. When was the last time hawks fans were this excited about a qb? All logic point to Flynn being the starter, but we all know Pete and JS sometimes don’t choose the logical way. Didn’t Wilson play well enough to deserve a start? Whats the harm in throwing him into the fire vs broncos D, if any rookie could handle it, he can. If he does well against a top 10 D’s starters, he deserves strong consideration as our starter. If he struggles, and Flynn does ok in the second half, MF can start the third game and get things clicking before the season starts. Like it or not, I believe that’s why RW was drafted, to compete for a starting position right away, not be groomed for the position 2-3 yrs down the road. PC/JS know they need to win right now, and Pete loves him and Schneider loves him even more. Bottom line, even if Flynn wins the job, you can’t argue that he’s been through the rigors of a full NFL season before. So chances are we will be seeing more of Mr. Wilson sooner rather than later.

  75. We are going to get better quarterback play this year than we had last year and that alone makes me happy. Not sure where all the Flynn hate is coming from, maybe it’s just Wilson love, whatever. Bobby beat me to it but Flynn has certainly shown he’s a winner and I’m a believer. Carroll has repeatedly spoke towards his desired QB as a point guard, getting the ball into the hands of his play makers and letting them make plays. Well Flynn’s Green Bay start would be the case and point of that philosophy. Judging from the eternal additions at WR Pete doesn’t feel we have the right quota of play makers on the roster to support his QB. If Rice can get/stay healthy we have a chance to do some damage through the air but if not I might be losing some more hair as the season goes on.

    On a side note, I wish Wilson had led Wisconsin over the Ducks in the Rose Bowl. It makes me sick to my stomach that Oregon finally won one in the modern era.

  76. bbnate420 says:

    This QB back and forth makes me want to throw up in my mouth. How about we keep our panties on until after the third preseason game? I am not decided on either Flynn or RW at this point, but it seems that the Flynn haters distort of ignore facts to make their case against him. Honestly, if RW is ready to play close to the level that Flynn is this year and can give us a chance to be competitive then I think he should be the starter. He has the higher ceiling IMO. I will trust Pete and staff to make that call. If they think that RW will be the QB in 2013, then they should go with him in 2012 unless they feel he is totally unprepared. I wonder why some people are so convinced that RW needs to sit? His propensity to leave the pocket too early sometimes? Other than that and the height issue, which is connected most likely, I don’t see a big difference between him and RGIII and Luck. If RW was 6’2″ like RGIII, they would look like practically the same player. RW had 50 starts in college, RGIII 41, Luck 38.

    I am just going to trust PC and staff to pick the best QB to start the season. That doesn’t mean I will stay on board if the starter sucks for the first 5-6 games. RW or Flynn could very well decide if PC/JS keep their jobs long term, so I think they will do their best to do the right thing. I’m going to at least wait until after the third preseason game to form a strong opinion of who should start between Flynn and RW.

  77. bbnate420 says:

    And there’s NO way that they keep 13 or 14 RBs and WRs. They could possibly keep 11, but I think 10 is the most likely number.

  78. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think they will keep 11 RBs/WRs. If anything else, they need the extra bodies to continue to find contributors. O-Line seems to have decent depth and versatility to go 9. Especially with Moffit eliminating the need for a backup center and guys like Lutui and Sweezy ready to fill in at guard. If T-Jack is indeed moping around and not buying into the program, then going with 2 QBs to start the season is a real possibility. I have a hard time thinking they’ll keep 4 TEs even if they want to run a lot of 2 TE sets. Morrah probably gets the 3rd TE spot as insurance against Winslow’s health but the others just don’t look like contributors. I see some waiver wire action at WR and possibly for that 3rd TE spot on final cut day.

    So 2 QB, 11 RB/WR, 9 OL, 3 TE = 25 offensive players.

  79. iHateHarbaugh says:

    I agree w/ Pabs, I just can’t help but think Flynn = field goals, Wilson = touchdowns. Im so sick of field goals, like Hauschka’s 5 FG game against Atlanta was it? Impressive, but also 5 “scoring drives” netting 15 points. I hope I’m wrong, & whoever we have will be better than last year. Flynn & Hasselbeck just strike me as mirror images of each other. Except both are right handed I guess. #12thMan

  80. bbnate420 says:

    Hey, if Flynn is a mirror image of Hasselbeck, I’ll take that. Hass was a top 10 QB, or at least very close to, from at least 03-07. Put Hass from 03-07 on this team, with the running game and defense, and I think we are realistic SB contenders.

    I think if they keep 11 WRs and RBs, the cut comes from the defense. I can’t see them only keeping 2 QBs. That’s just asking for trouble. And I’m 95 % sure that Portis is not eligible for the PS. Just my two cents. 8)

  81. Dude, Wilson needs more time, he threw a jump ball to Edwards which was under thrown and as pointed out earlier, most likely of been picked off if it was the real deal. Also, his TD run would of never happened either, he would of been dropped with the quickness if the D actually knew what they were doing out there. Wilson will not be able to rely on rolling out once he hits the big stage, then what? I say let Flynn get as many reps in as possible with the 1’s. Let Wilson go all out next season and actually have a real compitition then. And that pass to Miller that everyone is talking about, ironicly shows you that Flynn doesn’t have a noodle arm. Hawks are going to smash on fools this year and Flynn will been puttin’ up some awesome numbers when it’s all said and done.

  82. bird_spit says:

    I still think its nuts (after watching preseason game 1 for the third time) that any one, Pete included, could conclude that with Wilson hawks score more touchdowns than with Flynn. Both looked good, and of course Wilson looked electric against the scrubs. It would have been pathetic if Wilson played to the level of the scrubs. I wish Pete would play Wilson against the ones, because it is better to know now before he makes this decision. I believe it will come down to something that is not on tape. Years in GB with Rodgers breaking down film. I think Wilson needs a year of being the backup, and breaking down film, preparing as a #2. Next year, take a look where he is again.

  83. jchawks08 says:

    All you guys clammoring for Wilson to be our Starting QB need to do some friggin research on how successful rookie QB’s are in the NFL. Seriously.. We could have the best defense ever in the history of football, but it only takes 1 rookie QB to screw everything up.
    Wilson has abundant potential, but if you’re content to wait 2-3 more years for a serious playoff push, then this argument is moot. I for one would prefer to win now. This year.
    To each their own, I guess.

  84. Hammajamma says:

    Duke, you may feel better about the receivers after Rice and Baldwin find the field, but I agree with you, that’s still an unanswred concern. I was hoping to see all the Tate praise show itself against TN, so I’ll be looking for that again in Denver. He’s my wild card. Can Tate emerge as a consistent target, not simply an occasional playmaker? Not sold on that yet.

  85. SkeleTony says:

    While I won’t be disappointed if either QB wins the starting job I still think Flynn is the man to start for us (this year at the very least). Pab and HawkSince77 make good points but I still think their evaluation of Flynn is a bit thin. How many QBs are now or were nearly in the HoF whom fans early on dismissed as ‘not having “it”…’ or ‘weak armed’ etc.? It just seems like you guys clamoring for Wilson are exactly the kind of fans who would have said back in the day: “Flutie? Too short to ever be an effective QB.” or “Warren Moon? There is a reason the NFL passed on him the first time around. Guy is mediocre…”.

    This all reminds me of the John Kitna thing in Cincinnati in that the guy put up a stellar season his last year as a starter there and seemed to be making a move towards ‘elite QB’ status but fans and analysts and the head coach even were all abuzz about Carson Palmer. So they benched Kitna and stuck Palmer in there. He played deceptively well for one season(or was it two?) and seemed to vindicate his fans and the coaches. He played decent for one other season that I remember and then vanished in a puff of overrated smoke. No one knows whether Kitna would have continued on the same trajectory if he was not benched then traded to an abysmal team (Detroit) or if he would have indeed been an average QB the rest of his career.

    I just don’t want to be sitting in front of the TV one day talking to my niece and …:

    Me: “See that guy holding up the Super Bowl trophy for (Not Seattle)? That is Matt Flynn. He was on our team early on but was run out of town in favor of Russel Wilson because Wilson looked good in college and a preseason game.”

    Niece: “In favor of WHO?!” What happened to that Wilson guy?!”

    Not saying that conversation is at all likely or unlikely but Seattle sports teams tend to be the place where OTHER TEAMS” star players started, or ended (I am looking at YOU Franco Harris!) their careers so I have this paranoid fear…

  86. SkeleTony says:

    Amending the above with:

    “Ended” as in Seattle paid a lot of money so they could do nothing because they were too old and ready to retire.

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