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Flynn to start vs. Tennessee; Jackson demoted to third unit

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm with 102 Comments »
August 7, 2012 2:10 pm

Pete Carroll told reporters today after practice that he plans on making a shift in the quarterback competition, with Matt Flynn starting against Tennessee and playing the entire first half, while Russell Wilson will start and play the entire second half.

Carroll said that incumbent starter Tarvaris Jackson looked in better shape and moved well working with the first unit the first eight days of training camp, but the fact that he already has a good grasp of the offense and the coaching staff had a chance to evaluate him all of last year means that the team can cut down on Jackson’s reps so he can do a better job of evaluating the other two quarterbacks.

“To make a big decision like this, it’s about the information you can gather,” Carroll said. “And I want really, really good information coming in so that we can make a real clear-cut choice as we do this.”

Asked if Jackson will work back into the rotation next week, Carroll said we’ll have to wait and see what happens next week.

So Flynn will take all the reps with the first unit during practice this week in preparation for Saturday’s start, while Wilson works with the second unit and Jackson works with the third unit.

“Matt has done a fantastic job so far,” Carroll said. “He’s learned the system. He’s on it. He can make all of the adjustments, all the calls. He can see the defense really well. I love that he’s moving well in the pocket. And all of the things we’re asking him to do have fit together well so far. Now we need to see him in a situation where he takes over and see what that looks like.”

T.O. reaction
Of course, along with Carroll’s announcement on the quarterback situation, the big news today at practice was 38-year-old veteran Terrell Owens signing with the team.

Owens was not at practice this morning, but is expected to practice with the team on Wednesday. Carroll said that Owens will not play on Saturday against Tennessee.

Carroll said the decision to bring in Owens had to do with replacing the impact that Mike Williams had on the team in 2010 when he led the team with 65 receptions, a big, physical receiver who can win on the outside against one-on-one coverage.

Carroll always had that type of receiver at USC, but potential replacements for Williams like Ricardo Lockette and Kris Durham have not played up to their potential.

“We lost a little something when Mike wasn’t there last year for us throughout the season like we would’ve liked,” Carroll said. “I’d like to give somebody who has an opportunity to be that style of player a chance to fit in.”

Carroll mentioned that Braylon Edwards is doing a good job and has been a factor at times during practice – Edwards had a couple big catches today – but that Owens gives his team another person who could potentially emerge and seize that role.

Carroll said that he’s known Owens since his days in San Francisco. Carroll also said that in doing his research on Owens that he talked with his former quarterback at USC Carson Palmer about Owens, and received a good report.

“It’s interesting now how he is,” Carroll said. “He’s extremely hungry, and he is humble. And he’s determined to finish his career on a good note. And he wants to be part of the team, and he wants to play football.”

Carroll said that Owens had an extraordinary workout on Monday, and with a 4.45 40-yard time ran faster than he did coming into the league.

As you can imagine, Seattle’s receivers are preparing for the competition ramping up with the addition of Owens.

“That’s faster than my pro day,” joked Doug Baldwin, who ran an official time of 4.48 at his Stanford pro day. “And he’s 38-year-old. He had crisp routes. He came out of his breaks unbelievably for 38-years-old. Even if he was 24-years-old, it would still look good.

“He caught everything that was thrown to him, and he absorbed everything that the coaches were saying to him. So he’s hungry to be back on the football field.”

Baldwin said that he believes Seattle’s locker room is strong enough to deal with a dominant personality like Owens.

“We’re all going to be looking up to him,” Baldwin said. “But at the same time we’re going to be accepting his challenge.”

Carroll said he doesn’t know how much Owens will play yet, but they’ll find out where he fits in through practice this week.

Injury update
WR Doug Baldwin (hamstring), WR Ricardo Lockette (hamstring), LB Allen Bradford (hamstring), LB Jameson Konz (shoulder), LB Matt McCoy (knee), TE Anthony McCoy (hamstring) did not practice today. CB Walter Thurmond (leg) and OL James Carpenter (knee) remain on the PUP list. … WR Kris Durham returned to practice after suffering a hip injury during Sunday’s scrimmage.

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  1. pabuwal says:

    So the way I see this, is that Matt Flynn is being given the first opportunity to take the starting job and make it his. He’ll get around 20 pass attempts on Saturday night and if he can complete 60%+ with an 8-10 yard average per attempt and no turnovers, the job is his. The average per attempt is very important. If he plays average to poorly (turnover or average per attempt under 6) and Wilson plays poorly, than Jackson gets his opportunity to take the job the following week.

    If Flynn plays average to poorly and Wilson plays well, then both Jackson and Wilson will get the opportunity to take the starting job over the next 2 weeks.

    So basically, Flynn can settle it this weekend, or keep the merry go round going. If he can play well (detailed above) with this group of WRs (minus OWens and Rice) against the Tennessee secondary, than he deserves the job.

    Live on NFLN!

  2. Hawksince77 says:


    My take is a bit different. I figured Flynn would get the next start; with TJack starting the scrimmage, and I predict Wilson will start next week, given the same week to prep like Flynn will this week.

    After the second pre-season game, PC will decide, and that player will start the 3rd pre-season game and the opener.

    That time-table and approach would be consistent with what PC said at the very beginning when he declared it a 3-way comp.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Your statistical definition of “well” aside (which Carroll may or not share), I agree that Flynn can essentially end the cometition Saturday.

    By the way, it’s nice to read a post of yours regarding Flynn where your presumptions aren’t framed as fact. More of that…

  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs- It’s time to let your Jackson thing go! The FO is doing the best thing here for the team, and for his job by making this a Wilson, Flynn competition!

    Jackson was on his way out as soon as they got Wilson and Flynn in! Imo!

  5. I think TJack’s 4-for-12 performance in the scrimmage the other day came at the worst time and hurt his chances. He gave Flynn a great opportunity to step up and prove himself. And Carroll is moving this competition along quickly, just as most felt he should.

    I hope to heck that Flynn knocks this audition out of the park. Its all on him now.

  6. JazBadAzz says:


    Im sure nobody really knows how Flynn feels right about now…pressure? calm? excited?
    I say normal because he has big weapons like he did in Greenbay, but one exception…a very talented running game! Its on fellas…we will be getting chunks of yards once this tugboat becomes an ocean-liner!

  7. SandpointHawk says:

    Two Matt’s a Russell and Jake…I’ll stand pat…
    The first game of the Preseason and I’m excited…
    Go Seahawks….

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Baldwin saying what he thinks of TO being here.

    “We’re all going to be looking up to him,” Baldwin said. “But at the same time we’re going to be accepting his challenge”

    That’s what I like about Baldwin, besides being a very good player he has so much advance leadership skills for his age!

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs- you don’t have to play well to beat out Jackson, just average.

  10. All right. A little sense of direction. I’m excited to see what Flynn can do in the game. Bummer that Rice and Owens won’t be a go, so I’m not so sure that he’ll lose his grip on his current position atop the depth chart. Does anybody know Winslow’s status for Saturday? He’s the other newcomer I’m jacked about.

    I’ve never been so excited for a frickin’ preseason game. The ‘real’ games are gonna kill me.

    Here’s to hoping that no one gets hurt Saturday.


  11. I don’t want to seem alarmist, but…

    TJack was given a chance to impress, and didn’t. Now if Matt Flynn flops in his big audition on Saturday, our QB situation will suddenly look just as bad as Arizona’s.

    Time to shine, Flynn!!!

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It wouldn’t look as bad as Arizona’s if the FO would have offered Hasselbeck a two to three year deal!
    Now it’s Wilsons time to shine!

  13. Palerydr says:

    Really Hasselbeck? He’s gone the biggest reason he’s gone is he was too much of a riverboat gambler. I like the guy as much as anyone but he had 17 picks and 6 fumbles in his last year here. Those are losing numbers and Riverboat Gamblers who lose usually get tossed off the boat.

    So Pabuwal you still think your guy Jackson starts week 1? Not unless Flynn gets hurt between now and then is what I think. He will however not be cut as he has value as the #2 which I think he will be. Unless he requests his own release which he might do if he doesn’t start.

  14. I can not wait to welcome Matt back, should be a great game.See how Wilson/Flynn do in the stadium and see how the D does. Can we get some pressure on the QB

  15. pabuwal says:

    Georgia – I am a bigger Wilson fan but I just don’t know when he will be ready to meet the level Carroll is looking for. I said last week that I would be in favor of throwing Wilson in as starter and allowing him to develop over the next month or 2 (and hoping for the best), but its Carroll’s job at stake and not mine.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Palerydr- Didn’t you forget to add that Hasselbeck played Balls out against the defending Superbowl champs the Saints, and helped give us a playoff win ? And he didn’t have near the talent that the Seahawk qbs have around them now! Especially on defense!

  17. 2 things:

    1 – Pabs you totally missed this one! You said flat out that Jackson would be named starter for Tennessee.

    2 – WR’s
    I think they are going to limit Rice a ton through pre-season and then get him to go starting week one – unless his shoulder(s) is done. Like LT at the end of his time in SD. 0 preseason carries – but the difference is he was established on his team without many changes.

    I am not as high on Edwards as everyone else with TO on the team – to me they are the same guy. It would surprise me that both make the team but I am convinced, at this point in time, they are both on the final roster

    Anyone else think Durham will be IR’d here soon? Timely injury for him.

    I think Rice, Tate, Baldwin are safe – If TO makes the final roster, he startes. Then you have a fight with Edwards, Obo, Butler (still odd man out IMO) Lockette, Durham – to me in that order currently.

    We will see on Saturday!

  18. Eegwaybeegway says:

    Since Flynn and Wilson were the biggest unknowns, they get to take the field and prove what they have to offer. I’d expect Tarvaris will get significant playing time — possibly even start — in the second preseason game. It’s just part of the process.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs- I don’t even think that Carroll Knows what he is looking for in a qb, lol. However I have a feeling that Wilson will be our qb before the end of the season. So I’m with you there!

  20. Palerydr says:

    Yes he had a fine performance in that game playing loose. He didn’t make the critical mistake in that game I saw in others that year. Pete hates turnovers from his own Offense and I stand by what I said Matt gambles too much and loses.

  21. Finally, some good news on the Seahawk homefront…Glad to see a decision made on Flynn starting. Now all he needs to do is produce! Its his job to lose. Everyone knows what T-Jax is capable of…we saw it last year and was highly disappointed.

    As for the WR pool…is Plaxico next??? Lets see…we got Edwards and TO…Plaxico is looking for a job. If the newer Wr’s don’t produce…the aging veterans will be counted stepping in and taking their jobs!

    Looking forward to Seattle and seeing what the team can do. Its always better to hit someone from the other team instead of your own teammates.

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Again Palerydr- Talent level with Hass = more turnovers! Now what do you think he would do with the major upgrade in talent level of this team now?
    Probably get us back to the SuperBowl! Remember that?

  23. You at happy hour again Georgia? Utilizing many an exclamation mark. :P

    Not thrilled about the TO signing, but glad the QB situation is shaping out about how I was figuring/hoping. Even though TJack earned a lot of respect from me for his toughness last year; we never have quite seen the light go on with some consistency that comes with recognizing defenses. The more time Russell Wilson gets to see the pro-game first hand the better he will be equipped to have success. Personally, I’m never a fan of throwing a rookie out there too early. Confidence is just too key at this position to endanger by rushing the process.

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    Why would T-Jack request his own release when he’s going to get paid $5 mil to hold the clipboard? I have no problem with him being paid to be the backup, but I don’t see any better offers that could potentially be on the table.

    Next offseason, the Jags maybe needing a bridge QB, but not until Gabbert proves to be a bust this year. Nothing wrong with T-Jack being the 2nd coming of Kitna. He’s going to make a decent career out of it.

  25. Hammajamma says:


    I almost took a double take at your list. Imagine each of those names performing at or near their best–not necessarily career tears, but at the top of their game. All they need is someone to put the ball in their hands. Could be scary.

    How damn interesting!

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dam you TremR- you got me figured out.( No exclamation mark being used ).

    Like I said before, the bad thing about being on the eastern time zone is that I have to wait longer for the reports, however the good news is that happy hour is 3 hours before you all on the Pacific time zone.

    TremR- Dalton and Newton did ok last year, and Luck, Weeden, and RGIII will be starting this year. So why not Wilson?

  27. Hammajamma says:

    Career years…

  28. chuck_easton says:

    Except he’s ONLY going to make $4 million to hold the clipboard.

  29. Hammajamma says:

    That’s cheap insurance for team with playoff plans.

  30. Carroll again handling this the right way. It’s Flynn’s job to lose, at least for this season. I’m hoping he kills it.

  31. GeorgiaHawk says:

    TremR- This is the real NFL song. Lol.

  32. We’ve got regular season excitement levels for the 1st preseason game! For all of our sake’s I hope Flynn takes the bull by the horns. Excited about many of the rooks and new additions. Too bad I’ll be working on game day. Main concerns are still health of the OL & health & depth of the WR group.

    As for Tennessee, I’ll always be watching for DT Mike Matin’s performance as he was the player I hoped for when we took Russell Wilson. Obviously now I’ll back Wilson all the way but I was pissed at the time.

  33. Make that Mike Martin.

  34. grizindabox24 says:

    Everyone does realize that Flynn starting Saturday and TJax not playing really does not mean anything on the surface. PS has a pretty good idea what TJax brings and no idea what Flynn or RW do. TJax will get his opportunities, he will probably start the following week.

  35. I was wrong. I was sure Jackson would start the first game, and Flynn the second.

    I still think Carrol wants Wilson to take the job, and will give him a chance–he HAS to play well in the second half this weekend. If he does, he may get to start game 2.

    Personally, if Im a qb on the seahawks, I would prefer to start the second game of preseason over the first, as the first half of the first preseason game is usually a total slopfest; inept-city on both sides of the ball. But it does appear Flynn is going to be given a real chance, the first chance, to take the job.

    I think its ominous for Jacksons chances that Carrol said that stuff about having last year and a whole lot of tape to evaluate Jackson. To me that says Jackson hasnt improved–He is Who We Thought He was. And now there’s not much he can do to change thier perceptions of him, all he can do is wait and see if Flynn and/or Wilson choke…Gotta feal for him a little, he’s a good tough dude. Still, I fervently hope Flynn AND Wilson step up.

    I still like Jackson as a backup, but I dont want to lose Portis, no matter what BobbyK wants!

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Not after Flynn or Wilson Aces it this weekend.

  37. And no, Hasselbecks forcing the ball his last couple seasons when we had NO talent whatsoever around him was not the reason he was nudged out; 1) he was old and gimpy and our line sucked and 2) Carrol and Schneider knew they had 3-4 years to suck before landing on the hot seat, and that it might easily take all that time to find the next guy at qb. Plus, new GM’s/Coaches almost ALWAYS bring in thier own guy at qb. Very predictable.

    And it was the wrong choice. I understand thier logic, but Hass played in the top 5 at qb for half the season, before CJ’s poor play, Britts injury, and his coaches overly-conservative playcalling, and his own age ran him down and cut into his effectiveness…still he played WAAAy better than T-Joke…

  38. bird_spit says:

    Ok listen guys have it all wrong.

    Pete Carroll isnt that transparent, and neither is the outcome of this competition. There really is some logic, that many of you lack, to the equation.

    Plan A.
    game 1: Flynn starts game 1, Wilson with the 2s, TJ with the 3s
    game 2: Wilson starts game 2, Flynn with the 2s, TJ with the 3s
    game 3: The unnamed #1 starts with the ones, and the other two battle for the #2 position

    Flynn starts game one goes balls out – no change to plan A.
    Wilson plays balls out, no change to plan A.

    Either of these guys suck, then change to plan B.

    Plan B, insert TJ in the place of the one that sucks, and restart the rotation.

    If they both suck in planA, TJ gets to prove himself with the 1s.

    If they all suck, TJ wins the competition.

    Hopefully that made sense, but I assume some of you will have difficulty with simple logic, so dont flame me, I’m just telling you the way it really is…

  39. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Good to see you back!

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bird_spit – sounds more like bird_$hit. If they all suck, TJ wins the competition? How so? He should lose the competition if it’s anything close to a tie. Imo.

  41. bird_spit says:

    To clarify the game 3 plan, PC and no other, will determine after careful review of all of the game film, what the pecking order is, and for game 3, the choice will be made, and he will start. Second half of game 3 and all of game 4, the battle for the back up position will happen.

    What I hate about all of this is “where is portis?”. Hawks will shop TJ if he is not the starter, but likely there will be no takers, then what? Portis is released. San Deigo picks him up, and in 2016, he takes the Chargers to the playoffs, with a superbowl victory in 2017.

    Its all pretty obvious when you think about it.

  42. bird_spit says:

    GA_HAWK – TJ is the “good enough”. It does not mean he will start the entire season. He does have the best understanding of the playbook, even though he has only learned the routes on the right side of the field.

  43. bird, what you propose sounds like a reasonable plan, and its about what I was expecting Carroll to do… was… only he’s not.

    Coach announced that Flynn and Wilson will play the first preseason game while TJack SITS. That’s a demotion. Looks to me like the competition has now moved on to a new phase, and all previous guesses about Carroll’s evaluation plan are out the window.

    Why? Seems to me that Coach Carroll was expecting more from Jackson in Sunday’s scrimmage. After all, TJack had every opportunity to be ahead of the other QBs early in camp, he had the offseason to heal his injury, work on his weaknesses, and walk into camp prepared. He had the opportunity to light it up early in camp, but he failed to show great progress. I’m as disappointed as anyone, but he didn’t grasp the opportunity. I’m satisfied that he got his chance, and I think Coach is moving on to the next phase of evaluation. No moss grows on Pete Carroll.

    If Flynn turns in a strong performance and the team gets behind him, there will be no looking back.

  44. HawkyHann says:

    RDnPoulsbo- Kitna threw for over 29,000 career yards, TJax won’t be close to Kitna in anything.

  45. IBGoofy says:

    Does anyone know for sure that Baldwin & Lockette are a ‘go’ for sat? w/o Rice & TO, it will impact both Flynn & Wilson if both are no go’s….

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bird_spit – I agree! Actually Portis has the best tools of all the qbs,imo. To bad he won’t get a chance to show it! And who cares what BoobyK thinks about him! Lol.

  47. not only that, Georgia, Portis can see through walls, and when he flys around the earth fast enough he can turn back time. Carroll just knows it wouldn’t be fair to the rest of the league to let him play.

  48. Hawksince77 says:

    Portis isn’t going anywhere. He has the 3rd QB spot locked up.


    You may be right about TJack. I don’t think so, but it’s possible. All three QBs get to start a game with the 1s (as bird_spit suggests). TJack had is last week. This week Flynn gets the full starter treatment. No matter how well he does (IMO) Wilson still gets the start in Denver. To bird’s point, if it rolls out this way, it doesn’t mean anything until PC decides. But if he is truly going to make and apples to apples to apples comparison, he needs to give all three guys the same chance. TJack has had his, multiple times, and there is no reason to doubt PC’s sincerity when he says he’s seen enough. After the second pre-season game (again, if things roll out like I think they will) PC will have a full half of real-time action to complete the evaluation of all three guys. At that point, he can make as informed a decision as possible, given the circumstances.

    As bird suggests, that means the guy chosen by PC to start the season will start the 3rd pre-season game, and if PC is true to form, every game after that in which he is healthy enough to play.

    So all of you Wilson fans, don’t get too excited when this time next week he is announced as the starter for the 2nd pre-season game.

  49. bird_spit says:

    HS77 – we agree…TJ had his game tape last week, plus all of the 14 games he played in last year.

    I hope you are right on Portis. That would mean TJ has played his last game as a hawk. I suspect PC would preferr that the QB he chooses is the most natural, obvious choice. TJ gets the emotional vote by the young team. It would be best if Flynn just slays it Saturday, and the second half of game 2. The team will know what is best..they all share the same goal, a successful 2012 season. The best QB gets them there.

    On the TO touchdown end of season count, I’d suggest the over/under is 5, no matter who the the QB is… That’s would be 5 more that Williams provided.

  50. Hawksince77 says:


    My prediction is that Portis lands on the final 53 as the number 3 QB, and that Wilson starts the season as the number 1 QB.

    If that happens, the question becomes, who makes the better number 2? Neither Flynn nor TJack would threaten Portis for number 3 – only Wilson would, if PC decided to keep both Flynn and TJack, and possibility I consider remote.

    BUT (and here is the minority of all minority opinions) what if PC decides that TJack is the better number 2? He might, considering TJack’s experience in they system, and the relatively little that would be required to keep him ready during the season (as opposed to Flynn or Wilson, both of whom could be considered less desirable number 2s).

    Check out Brandon’s analysis at

    While he reaches different conclusions after an excellent evaluation of the three players and the QB situation, I believe his analysis supports my contention that the final 53 will be Wilson/Jackson/Portis at QB.

  51. Hawksince77 says:

    Should have reworded that last sentence to read “…my contention that the final 53 MIGHT be…”

  52. bird_spit says:

    Hawksince77, what ever “medicine” your smoking, um, ingesting, you need to share.

    Flynn is a lock for the 53, as is Wilson. The organization is going to want to keep TJ, but it’s most probable that he will ask for a release. PC wanting to build the confidence of his locks, he will release TJ after attempting to shop him.

  53. Hawksince77 says:

    See, here’s the thing: if Wilson gets selected as the starting QB, what kind of attitude do we think Flynn will have? While he has been a career back-up, he can always say it was behind the best in college (JaMarcus Russell) and then the best in the pros (Rodgers). What’s he going to say if he gets beat out by Wilson? Or Jackson, for that matter.

    Not gonna work. Jackson, on the other hand, is used to being the back up behind questionable players and dealing with it (Rob Johnson, right?). Anyway, Jackson has the respect of the club, and as been argued elsewhere, a capable back-up for the Seahawks.

    For the Seahawks, Portis is the ideal #3, TJack the ideal #2, and IMO, Wilson the ideal #1 for PC and his offense.

    This is all moot if Flynn wins the competition. At that point, I don’t know what PC does with Wilson, TJack and Portis. With Flynn the #1, that leaves either Wilson or TJack the number 2, and as I have already stated, TJack is actually a better #2 for Seattle than Wilson. I mean, if PC goes with Flynn/Wilson/Portis, that means he starts the season with 3 QBs with exactly 2 games of experience between them. That doesn’t seem very positive.

    If he goes Flynn/TJack/Wilson, that means Portis gets cut (no way they keep 4 QBs on the final 53) and that means setting Wilson aside and they lose a developmental guy they really like. Again, less than ideal, by a mile.

  54. Hawksince77 says:

    I can’t even fathom the possibility of TJack named the starter, so won’t run down what that might mean for the roster.

  55. IBGoofy says:

    I sure hope we get a two minute drill opportunity for the offense in the first half….. It could win the starting job for Flynn, but it won’t necessarily lose it for him…

  56. Hawksince77 says:

    bird_spit, did you read Brandon’s piece? Flynn is not that good, and doesn’t fit with what PC wants to do. Nobody in camp (or outside of it) has raved about Flynn and his performance – not PC, not the players, not any observers. Everybody assumes that because he was signed as a FA he is a lock, even after PC made it clear that that wasn’t the case (“he isn’t carrying the money around in practice.”)

    All PC cares about is fielding the best team. That means finding the best players, and ranking them accordingly. If it turns out it was a mistake to sign Flynn (like it was for Arizona to sign Kolb) the worst thing to do is make it worse by displacing a good player with a mediocre one.

    We don’t know exactly what PC’s criteria is for the position (although we have some general ideas). We don’t know how the 3 players have been graded so far, so it is impossible to say for sure (like it appears I am above) how well any of them are doing. It’s possible that Flynn leads the other two by a country mile, and if so, he will get the gig, period. Same can be said for the other two.

    Have no doubt, PC will keep the best player(s), no matter how they were obtained. Flynn is not a lock to be with the final 53. He will have to earn it, and so far the jury is out on his performance and his ability to play the position in the NFL.

  57. DFloydd says:

    I couldn’t care less who the flippin starting QB is at this point and frankly I’m sick of hearing about it. I don’t want “my guy” as the QB just to prove a point….KNow what I want? WINS!!! that’s it. let Big Red play QB. fine with me as long as the Hawks friggin WIN. T-Jack, Flynn, Wilson,….Who cares? Would anyone care who the QB is if the Hawks went 11-5? 12-4? 13-3? not me. exciting football, plenty of WINS and some playoff action and hopefully SB Trophy in February. :)

  58. raymaines says:

    Some random thoughts:

    I thought RW would be the first to sit down. Shows what I know.

    I currently think RW will start game 2 and the game 3 starter is yet to be determined. It won’t be TJack though, he’s history. It hasn’t come to pass yet, but he’s history.

    Pete Carroll is a funny guy. On one hand, I think he really believes what he says about competition, but on the other hand he gives (really obscure) clues weeks ahead of time about what he’s going to do.

    Kind of separately; What the hell did he learn about TJack in the last two weeks that he didn’t already know? What a waste of two weeks of training camp. I don’t think PC gets QB’s at all.

    Lets not presume to know what T.O. “knows”. We all know what TO should know, but that assumes he’s a rational, logical person. He’s not.

    I think that if TO is good enough to start he’ll be on the 53, but he’s too much trouble to be the fourth or fifth (or sixth or seventh) receiver.

    I hope he’s good enough to start, as that would be good insurance against Rice being hurt and Rice, TO & Baldwin would be a pretty darn good starting three receivers while Rice is healthy.

    Geoux ‘Hawks

  59. nidhighe says:

    Why would T-Jack ask for his release? No one else is going to pay him $4 million this year to sit on the bench.


  60. Hawksince77 says:


    Yeah, I admit to not understanding seeing so much TJack over the past couple of weeks. PC could of said way back then what he said today: “We got lots of tape on the guy, and we figured out pretty quick he’s pretty much the same guy, all healthy-like and all. Not that he’s out of the competition – wouldn’t be a competition otherwise – only that we already have the info on the guy we need to make a decision.”

    Could have used the reps to get more info on the real question marks – Flynn and Wilson.

  61. bird_spit says:

    Wow HS77, you could sell me on it, but I think Wilson is a year away. I’m with you on the TJ for backup, because I expect our backup to start more than one game this year. At the same time, Wilson maybe the second coming of Drew Breeze. I still would want him to sit, listen, absorb a year of the NFL. My hope is that Flynn is first for 2012, and is traded in 2013. Flynn might light up the world, though the chances are low. TJ does make the best #2. I’m afraid Portis is gone. I bet he does not last a round on the wire.

  62. bird_spit says:

    Danielle, I think he gets released IF PC thinks enough of Wilson to be backup. But , I think, more likely Wilson will be 3rd.

    I think a released TJ and his 4 million dollar contract get picked up as a backup some where if he is released. Some coach out there will see the potential, and arrogantly believe they can fix his problems.

  63. Dukeshire says:

    All this conjecture may be good for the blog but awful for actual substance. Especially when we’re citing someone named Brandon, who doesn’t appear to have any more access than any of us. Again, the games will tell us all.

  64. raymaines says:

    Please allow me one more thought for the evening:

    I think that after game #3 T-Jack will be asked to take a big fat pay cut, he’ll refuse, and that’s when and why he’ll ask to be released. That will give him an extra week to catch on with someone else rather than being cut the following week.

    Okay, two more thoughts: I’m looking forward to seeing what receivers are cut as teams get down to the final 53 and how much roster shuffling happens then. We can never really be sure what JS&PC are going to do, but I think the roster is pretty well set except for the WR’s.

  65. raymaines says:

    Okay, three more thoughts: The games WON’T tell us all. I think practices are more important than Duke does. We’ll see. Good night all.

  66. tchristensen says:


    Seriously? Give it a rest.

  67. Soggybuc says:

    Ray I think what PC was doing with TJ the last 2 weeks was A. given a full offseason/OTA’s B. and having full health! C. was what I saw last year an anomaly or the norm?
    Apparently he concluded it was the norm. hence the rapid move to the 3 spot while giving Flynn and Wilson a full half each to “compete”.

    I really cant get how anyone can say Flynn sucks! his arm strength is a weakness but the WC offense is not AirCoreyell or an Al Davis track star offense.
    He makes the pre snap reads, he can go through progession’s that are over 2, he can audible to a better play and can throw to where the receiver will be before he even makes his break etc. etc.

  68. I still find it crazy that if it is all a tie that Tjack gets the nod. That defies all logic. IF he CAN’T win it out right it totally shows his short comings compared to the other guys

    1. He have been in the SAME offense for over 5 years – knows the Off. Coordinator and his tendancies for that time.

    2. He played with these guys last year and should have a repore with them already.

    3. His biggest weaknesses (pocket awareness – etc) are not getting better.

    And yes he is well liked in the locker room – but I think both Flynn and Wilson will gain confidence with the team as well

  69. Wheres all the Portis talk coming from? He’s not getting many if any reps being 4th string + have not hear much if any from the reports about him. He played a couple of preseason games did ok with flashes vs 3rd, 4th stringers and camp meat. Yes he’s an athlete but no logic to the Portis will be #3 right now.
    To me the logic is (if no Starter has been crowned)
    Flyn, Wilson and TJac in cleanup if at all this week as stated, with
    Wilson, TJac and Flynn in cleanup if at all next week
    Tjack, Flynn, and Wilson in cleanup if at all game 3
    Game 4 Starter is chosen rest get the scraps(Really Hope it does not go that Far)
    Like TJack or not Portis has not won that spot or the rotation would change

  70. Dukeshire says:

    raymaines – I’m not discounting practice. But the fact is the QB that plays best in the games, will be named starter. Wouldn’t you agree?

  71. Soggybuc says:

    Xcman, you are right about that whole well liked in the locker room thing. by extension of that logic we should sign Chris Rock or Adam Sandler as Qb because they would be very well liked in the locker room.

  72. Soggybuc says:

    Xcman, you are right about that whole well liked in the locker room thing. by extension of that logic we should sign Chris Rock or Adam Sandler as Qb because they would be very well liked in the locker room.

  73. Soggybuc says:

    WTH with the double post? I hit the submit button once!

  74. I can’t wait until we get to see these guys in live action!!

  75. bird_spit says:

    It’s probably the most important preseason couple of games I can remember…maybe when Hass was a first year Hawk it was as meaningful. Saturday’s huge for Flynn.

  76. WiscCory says:

    “I don’t want to seem alarmist, but…

    TJack was given a chance to impress, and didn’t. Now if Matt Flynn flops in his big audition on Saturday, our QB situation will suddenly look just as bad as Arizona’s.

    Time to shine, Flynn!!! ”

    Stevos, this was a pretty funny post, as far as the alarmist intro. However, let’s be honest. We already know what TJ was prior to this training camp. I don’t think they’re saying he was unimpressive, it might be more that the staff already knows what he is. He’s a good athlete that’s an adequate QB. He can’t lead a comeback, and can be average. He knows the system, and so far in training camp was able to run the offense in practice while the staff continues to evaluate WRs, OLine, etc.

    I don’t think TJ is worthless to this team. Actually, I hope he’s on the bench ready to play during the season if the need were to arise. Bear in mind I live in WI, so I want to see Flynn or Wilson leading the way, however I also believe TJ has worth to the team this season.

    I agree that we need Flynn to shine, tho. Unfortunately, we’ve learned a single game does not make or break a starting QB. The verdict will remain open until well into the regular season. Hopefully, into the post season. Playoffs? (yes, with Mora Sr emotion)I bring that up because I wonder how Falcon fans feel about Matt Ryan – seems to play well in the regular season, however 0-3 in the playoffs. My point it we’ll not know the answer to “flopping” for a long time.

    We could hope today’s announcement means that it’s Flynn or Russell to start the season, as that’s what most fans wanted to see happen. But we’ll have to be patient on knowing if the audition is a flop. Be patient, my friend.

  77. Anyone look at our schedule and think what would happen if our D isn’t as dominant as we think and we get behind?
    Even with a solid defense it’s bound to happen numerous times over the course of a season.
    SF D is probably ahead of ours and look what the Saints did to them in the playoffs. We play Dallas, GB, and NE in the first few weeks. Our D could play well and we could still fall behind by a couple scores. Who would you want at QB then? Does anyone really think Tjack has a snowball’s chance in hell of bringing us back? Arm strength is not that important, it’s about cool under pressure, veteran savvy, quick reads and sharp decision making. Total command of the two minute drill. I believe Flynn has the pedigree to win NOW. Even though he only started 2 games, he has 4 years of experience in the league learning behind Rodgers. That’s why when he got the chance to shine he was so explosive. Everyone likes to emphasize TJ’s experience, but remember that much of TJack’s league experience has been as a backup to Favre. And unfortunately quick reads and decision making are not TJ’s strong suit.

  78. ljarllrajl says:

    Does anyone remember T-jack ever making a clutch throw? Me neither. I think the T-jack era has about 5 weeks left and then it will be ancient history.

  79. bird_spit says:

    206 – we already know what tjack has to offer. The managing of the run game and the occasional slant play.

  80. bbnate420 says:

    2 things on this blog that cannot end soon enough. Whining about Hasselbeck being gone and commenting on the banner.

    Hasselbeck is gone and he-a-ain’t-a-comin back. Deal with it. His career is over in a couple of years anyways and we’d be in the same situation. And CJ was playing badly the first half of 2011 and then turned it up, so that’s not a valid excuse.

    Pabs, how do you like your crow served, baked or fried?????

  81. Some myths that I think have been repeated on this blog far too many times….

    1. “We knew what TJack could do from watching him last year”

    No, we knew what TJack could do last year while playing with his arm half ripped off, and with offensive team mates who – aside from Marshawn Lynch – played like crap for most of the season.

    2. “Does anyone remember T-jack ever making a clutch throw?”

    Yes. Go rewatch the games against Atlanta and NYG from last season, for a start. TJack made all the throws that Matt Flynn ever made, and he was working behind an offensive line that was barely capable of blocking. If Jackson doesn’t go down injured in that NYG game, Seahawks would have been in the playoffs.

    3. “No other team would want Jackson”

    We may find out. I’d guess about half the teams in the league, if their starting QB went down injured for the year, would welcome Jackson to fill in and start. There may not be more than a couple of backup QBs in the league who could outcompete him.

  82. bbnate420 says:

    THUMP! You hear that? That’s the collective sound of Seahawks fans jumping back in off the ledge.

  83. Macabrevity says:

    Birdspit – I agree with you, usually it’s better for a rookie to sit and absorb. How often do you see a promising rookie come back and hit that sophomore slump wall, and never get over it? Even if RW plays lights out this pre-season, I still think the best for him long term is to be the no. 2 or even 3 for now.

  84. ljarllrajl says:

    “2. “Does anyone remember T-jack ever making a clutch throw?”

    Yes. Go rewatch the games against Atlanta and NYG from last season, for a start.”

    If I remember right, Stevos, in the Atlanta game T-jack missed badly on an out pattern on 3rd and 8 with 8 seconds left to set up what Pete Carroll called an ‘historic’ 61 yard field goal…which was missed and we lost.

    And against the Giants I seemed to remember T-jack throwing an interception just past midfield with about a minute to go in the half which allowed Eli Manning to get the ball back and score a TD to tie it up the score into halftime. Then if I remember right, it was Charlie Whitehurst who came in the second half to lead us to a come from behind victory.

    Now either my memory is faulty or you don’t quite grasp the concept of ‘clutch’.

  85. If T.O. really ran the 40 in 4.45, perhaps the “stem cell therapy” at an anti-aging center in South Korea last September really did wonders for him. Perhaps he’ll be with the Seahawks for the next 5 years!

  86. Hawksince77 says:


    In reference to your comment:

    “Especially when we’re citing someone named Brandon, who doesn’t appear to have any more access than any of us.”

    Did you read Brandon’s article? I would assert he certainly has more insight and grasp of the relevant detail of the QB competition than anyone posting here.

  87. Soggybuc says:

    77, you may be correct in a way but that still gives Brandon about the same level of “insight” about whats going on inside the VMAC as that guy with the card board sign in front of the Starbucks you’ll be visiting this morning.
    Truth is no one really knows what going on inside Pete’s head. I’d venture that includes his own staff.

  88. RDPoulsbo says:

    The lines of logic in this thread are…wow…just wow.

  89. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    Rd , fun thou. flynn is starting because Tjack went 4/12 sunday and pete is right he know what he has in Tjack.

    i would agree Tjack made some clutch plays, i would say for everyone he made thou there was atleast 3 horrible ones.

  90. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think this is the most telling thing PC said:

    Asked if Jackson will work back into the rotation next week, Carroll said we’ll have to wait and see what happens next week.”

    In other words, at least some decision has been made about Jackson. He’s not saying what it is, but it’s certainly not naming him the Week 1 starter.

  91. Soggybuc says:

    I really did like the Brandon article, was a well done well thought out piece.
    But I view him has wrong on the fact that Pete will go the “safe” route. he tossed the ball to unproven and questionable guys at USC and rode them to wins.
    What I mean by that is… all of those unproven facts he listed about Flynn are just the kind of things that Pete will ignore and let him put the proof in the pudding.

  92. Dukeshire says:

    Hawksince77 – I did read it, and it’s fairly well written. It’s certainly thorough and detailed (certainly more so than what’s here, simply because of the platform. On that we’re in agreement.) But to say that he has more insight and grasp of the QB competition than anyone here is where we disagree. I believe you’re getting caught up in how well he articulates his opinions as opposed to what he has actual first hand knowledge of. Which is the same as you or I: Virtually none. And when it comes to that, I’ll continue to rely on Eric, Dave, Sando, etc… those that have access to the players, staff, and are inside the ropes, so to speak. It’s a fun piece, but it’s still just conjecture on his part.

  93. chuck_easton says:

    This Brandon guy is a good writer and he makes a strong argument to bolster his opinion, but at the end of the day it is just that, HIS opinion.

    He has no more insight or inside knowledge than anyone else that posts on here that they are positive A will happen instead of B.

    I did notice 77 that the majority of the posts in the comment section are you telling Brandon how wonderful he is and then you and Brandon having a great ongoing chat about how right the two of you are.

  94. jchawks08 says:

    mocarob, Thanks for the Flynn vid. I watched that before right after we signed him. Since the knock on Flynn is his arm strength, I recommend the doubters watch the vid. He’s an NFL QB who can make dang near every throw necessary. There were the two long throws that stood out. A 44 yarder, and a 52 yarder (ball in the air). His arm strength (not to mention accuracy) sure looks fine to me. You all think Favre’s and Elway’s are just dime a dozen or what?
    And it’s the short/intermediate throws that HAVE to be made to pick up 3rd and 6 that he appears to excel at.
    I’m jacked up for this guy. Flynn to win and GO HAWKS!

  95. Really questionable assertion… while it MAY be true that handwriting is on the wall, there is nothing explicit in naming these starters in a preseason game that warrants the use of the word ‘demoted’ in regard to Jackson. At present, that’s just wishful thinking on the part of many.

  96. jchawks08 says:

    Chuck, that’s funny stuff about HS77 and his bff ‘Brandon’!!
    Duke, I always appreciate your tact and rationality when it comes to some of the off the wall or not well thought out commentary on the blog.

  97. Soggybuc says:

    Is 77 maybe having a conversation with himself? just saying,
    The one thing we tend to forget about Pete is that the end of it all he loves Football players! combine numbers, stats, and metrics be damned! he plays the guys who can take the field and flat out ball.
    Richard Sherman is a great example of that. so is Marshawn, poor fit in Bungalho but Pete said I don’t care if you wanna dress up in a hello kitty outfit and paint obscure Jim Morrison poetry in nail polish on your team mates spinners! as long you knock Mutha*&^%#$’s teeth out come Sunday!

  98. richardfg7 says:

    Jackson is a great guy. He did the job he was brought here to do now we move on. Thanks T.Jack for a job well done.

  99. Hawksince77 says:


    I wasn’t appealing to Brandon’s authority – simply the content of his article. Everyone who reads it can judge for themselves the level of merit it has, or not.


    Yes, it’s his opinion, backed up with extensive thought content and perspective. And you misread the comments – we didn’t come to the same conclusions based on a similar take on the three players. As he points out, the main theme of his article was to prep Seattle fans for more TJack. He admits to thinking Flynn will start, but makes an argument that might lead to TJack being the guy. These conclusions are different from mine, as I think PC will pick Wilson as the starter.


    I agree with you, in your disagreement with Brandon’s conclusion. I think PC wants to win big, and to do so he will (must) take chances. That’s one reason I think he will roll with Wilson as opposed to ‘safer’ decisions involving TJack or Flynn.

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