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Rob Rang talks quarterbacks

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 6, 2012 at 7:40 am with 54 Comments »
August 6, 2012 7:40 am

Rob Rang, senior draft analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, discusses the Seattle Seahawks quarterback competition and his thoughts on a couple rookies who flashed during the team’s Sunday scrimmage.

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  1. Dukeshire says:

    Rang talking about Flynn recognizing the blitz, checked out, and attacked the vacated space (for a TD), is exactly what we don’t see out of Jackson (or haven’t).

  2. bird_spit says:

    Two things I would change about this site, the banner and the use of flash. Wake up TNT, Cortez should be on the banner. The use of flash for video is lazy, and not useful for any iOS user.

  3. Soggybuc says:

    Continue to hear Winston Guy’s name a whole bunch, another late round gem from the staff. The Sweezy story is a great one as well love the way this team thinks way out side the box.
    Most teams will pick a first unit line and stick with it in the name of cohesion but Cable seems to love moving guy’s around and cross training them at multiple spots. I like that method as he can shuffle the line and field quality no matter.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    I cannot believe the banner has become an every thread issue, at this point. #biggerfishtofry.

    bird – I simply downloaded Flash to my Mac. Problem solved.

  5. bird_spit says:

    Duke, try that on an iPad or iPhone. 25 million iPads sold a quarter, and none of them can see the video above.

    And really, the banner sucks anyway, so anything new would work for me at this point, lol.

  6. HeinieHunter says:

    Agree totally with spit. I read this on my iPad!

  7. Dukeshire says:

    bird – Yes, I agree about iPhone. I have one and it can be frustrating to wait until I get to work or home. But I thought Adobe and Apple worked out their issues over a year ago, regarding Flash for iPads. Anyway…

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Does anyone out there know if the NFL ticket includes preseason games?

  9. Seahawks2620 says:

    For all of the things that Dukeshire listed in regards to Flynn, I would be very upset of Jackson is still the chosen one.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Why is Rang saying that Jackson has distanced himself from Wilson with his play in sundays scrimmage? And he said that Wilson was just ok? So 4 of 12 is better than ok? Lol.

  11. SkeleTony says:

    GeorgiaHawk,

    I am with you on that. I cannot for the life of me understand what Rang was trying to tell us in that interview!?

    I am quite ready for Tavaris to be given his walking papers though.

  12. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    no georgia it does not

  13. I don’t see how you can justify saying that using an industry standard is lazy.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:
  15. Georgia – They do play a bunch of pre-season games on delay though.

  16. steffonator says:

    I have to say this.. Brains and control of the game, not a big arm and scrambling win championships. I was there to watch Joe Montana win Super Bowls. Steve Young had an arm but also knew the game, come on Pete, the receivers need to sink-up with their quarterback for the season. This isn’t college anymore. Well maybe Pete’s smarter than all the great coaches in the total NFL. ever.

  17. bird_spit says:

    I finally got off my butt, and got on the company owned Mac, and sure enough that was a good video (from a content point of view).

    I’d like to clarify my comments. Absolutely no slight on Eric, but really TNT needs to provide these guys the tools so they can continue to get us probably the best close-up view of the hawks that can be found on the web, outside of the biased view of the seahawks.com site.

    With that out of the way…if this QB competition was being judged unbiased, then you have to weight TJ experience in the system he has played in for 5 years. TJ in a head to head competition with any of these guys, he should by now being slaying them. The fact that we don’t have a clear #1 at this point should be good enough to sit TJ as your bench QB, and give the reigns to either of the other guys. I would give the rookie another year of maturity before sending him out there, so by default I would make Flynn my number one. Do I think he is the franchise QB of the future, maybe, but we can’t know that until the games are played, and he has a year of experience in this system. Next off-season, start the competition over again, and Flynn would be incumbent, and had better be slaying all of the competition.

  18. In the unlikely scenario that Pete Carroll chooses TJack, he’ll yank him after a few games when he sees little or no improvement over last year.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK- how long are the delays? And is that on the NFL ticket?

  20. Skavage says:

    Duke you are spot on in your first comments. Thyat’s the one thing I have noticed more than anything. Flynn reads the defense and then simply takes what they give him. His progressions seem better, and his decisions seem to come quicker and with anticipation. (limited amount I’ve seen though)

    Jacksons inability to make work through his progressions quickly and then make a decision quickly, are the two things that turn him from Pro Bowl ability to middle-of-the-pack starter or top backup.

    IMO, if he can accept the backup or even third string role, we should keep him. If not, we need to package him up with someone/something else and deal him. I still say some kind of package for Wallace would be grand, but I do understand it would have to be a whopper of a draft pick on our end. But it might be worth it.

  21. Sometimes they play a game later that night, the next day or days. It depends.

  22. Don’t criticize Jackson unless you’re willing to say he’s the next John Elway. Some people go psycho.

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks.

  24. Skavage says:

    So Bobby are you saying Jackson’s going to a GM for the Broncos one day? :)

  25. Trying to add to the bait (in another overexaggerated example to spice things up). lol

  26. orbeavhawk says:

    I use IE9………..today and lately I cannot run any of these Video reports that you post………wish I knew what is causing the conflict???? RATS!!!! Need my daily Hawk FIX!!!

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. tylerwyler says:

    Lurker here coming online for a moment to say two things:

    A. Thanks for the coverage and comments, all. This is my go-to for ‘Hawks info, and is a daily read.

    B. Plus one for HTML5. My iPad is my preferred browsing device, and I can’t see this video. Flash may still be an industry standard, but it’s a dying one, evidenced by the fact that Adobe is no longer developing for ANY mobile device. Mobile devices account for over 10% of all Internet traffic, and that number is fast on the rise. Also, as an iPad user, it’s extremely rare to find a mainstream website that doesn’t provide an HTML5 alternative to flash videos.

    Sorry for the “me too” and off-topic post. Go hawks!

  28. orbeavhawk says:

    Eric, CANCEL my last post……….went back and tried running the Rang Q
    B
    report again and it came in nice and clear/crisp w good audio, TKS!

    ONE Question: I hear RR and Farnsworth too comparing RW who is/was playing with the 3rd String O and D against the others playing with higher quality players around them……WHY don’t they just compare thhem when they are both with the SAME Unit?????

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    It sounds like Flynn is doing just as I would expect from him in reading the defense and making the correct decision. I’m tired of hearing about the arm. It’s good enough to know where to go with the ball and he limits his mistakes. That’s good enough for me, especially given what PC is trying to do.

    It’s nice to hear Guy and Sweezy mentioned by more than a couple people. Sounds like some great depth that could one day become starters.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Looks like the FO is looking for some new Carpitt for the o-line with Sweezy making it look easy so far!

  31. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I know it was a non contact scrimmage, however on one hand I like how well Lynch performed, on the other hand I don’t like to hear our first unit D give up that many yards to any RB.

  32. RW will eventually be the guy, but not right now. Flynn has the smarts to play football, but I want to see him take a few hard hits like TJ took, get up, dust himself off and not lose his guts. I don’t want him to develop into Marc “Check Down” Bulger either. It doesn’t win SB’s,

    Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
    Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
    Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
    Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
    Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
    Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
    Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
    Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
    Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
    Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
    Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
    Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
    Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
    Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
    Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
    Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
    Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
    Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
    Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs

    Arm strength obviously does make a difference with the increased speed in NFL DB’s. Yes you can win to some degree without in two situations. if we played for a late 80′s or 90′s team coached by Walsh or if you have a top 5 defense off all time and your name is Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.

    Arm strength is about more than just being able to fling the ball 60 yards on a drop of a hat(Not that the thought of it wouldn’t keep FS/SS from crashing in on Lynch). It’s about fitting the ball into a closing window, and without it you can cut down a receivers route tree by almost half (Deep out, Stop, Post, Corner, Deep In, Backshoulder, Comeback )

    A lot moxy, and game smarts from a average QB doesn’t win SB any more

  33. bird_spit says:

    I’m afraid the fact that Sweezy is making it look easy is more of a report on our 2nd, and 3rd string DL than anything else. Is he blocking out the second level LBs, our core LBs?

    No disrespect on Sweezy. I would expect any rookie to look ok-ish at this point. I’m sure he will get burned in game situations, and that’s what pre-season is all about – gaining real speed experience.

  34. Well, in two NFL starts, he’s demonstrated a lot more than performing like an average QB. That’s a good start.

  35. jchawks08 says:

    Skavage I’m worried about you buddy.. You really seem to believe that the Hawks could fleece the Steelers out of their arguably top receiver for a potential 3rd string QB, a done nothing ever (Butler) WR, and a likely useless 5th round pick. It’s just funny is all. I appreciate your Hawks spirit!
    Maybe if we sign T.O. we can include him in the deal. That would be a sure thing. :D

  36. Dukeshire says:

    Hawks85 – Your verbal points aside, I’m not sure what your list is intended to prove. With a few exceptions, your SB QB list isn’t exactly a who’s who of rocket arms.

  37. Yeah Flynn did so well the year before against the Vikings when Rodgers got hurt. I’m at least willing to cheer for the guy with the understand, he has to win the job. I’m not impressed by him shredding a horrible DET, or NE defense with screens, and checkdown’s on a loaded team(Yes I know he didn’t have Jennings against Det).

    The only people on that list with a below average arm strength are. Brad Johnson, Dilfer, and Young.
    John Elway, Troy Aikman, Aaron Rogers, Brett Favre, Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady all had incredible arms when they won SB. The game has changed so much, and a strong arm QB is needed to win a SB.

    Arm strength can be worked up though,

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire-Sounds like something you used to post in response to klm008.Lol.

    Hawks85-Are you klm008 in disguise? If you are welcome back! If you aren’t we are still looking for a stats person to replace him until he comes back.

  39. Dukeshire says:

    Lol. At least Hawks85 created a context. klm008 would just post stats with no frame, just random numbers. He just dropped off the face of the earth, didn’t he?

  40. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t know that’s I’d argue Aikman and Warner had incredible arms. And while strong, Rodgers and Ben would fall short of the incredible mark, to me, as well. Especially if we’re using Elway and Favre as the standards on that list. No matter, I don understand your point about having a certain degree of physical tools necessary to consistently lead a contender.

  41. bird_spit says:

    I want klm008 back…I liked reading 99% of what he wrote…the numbers guy provided a fresh perspective often.
    Maybe if he was here now, he would have a yards passing number for QBs with or without arm strength. That said, arm strength is measured how ?

    I’d rather have the guy with a high percentage completion over low, and the guy with total yards passing high over low. Unfortunately with this competition thing, it’s hard for us to judge without those numbers. Pete C has film from practice to scope out. I suspect he will make the best qualified decision, even though I hate the process. Thankfully our starting QB isn’t decided by us fans. I’ll get behind TJ if he is the guy, just like last year.

  42. Palerydr says:

    I would also argue that Dilfer and Young both had very strong arms though not the same level of accuracy. Young was clearly a better passer.

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think there has been a few klm008 sightings on the chats. Probably about as many bigfoot sightings in one year. I do miss his stats though, and the frustrating responses to them from you. Lol.

  44. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think the lack of context here is the systems in which the listed QBs operated. Young, Favre, Johnson, and Rodgers are the only WCO offense QBs on that list. There’s a lot of Air Coryell and Erhardt-Perkins QBs on that list though. Those last 2 systems need strong arms because there’s a lot more vertical passing. WCO has always been primarily short and intermediate routes while receivers can get YAC. Accuracy and quick decision making is put at a premium in WCO where it’s less of an issue in the other 2 systems.

  45. SandpointHawk says:

    KLM008 does show up in the chats. I understood his stats so no problem there. He’s still a Facebook friend of mine and a very intelligent guy I must say….

  46. GeorgiaRay says:

    GAHawk, They didn’t last year…all replays on NFL Network….

  47. mojjonation says:

    If Flynn isn’t starting, then we have the second coming of Charlie Whitehurst on our hands. With Flynn’s 10 mill guaranteed, that’s more than Seattle paid TD Jesus. Which in turn makes him a higher paid backup that CW. Less than a week from the first preseason game and there is still no announced starting QB. This is a diservice to the other final 50 guys who are going to be on the squad.

  48. Hawks85 says:

    The WCO does put a lot of emphasis on pre-snap read, and short to intermediate timing based routes, but it still requires a strong arm to throw those routes with enough zip in that time to let your WR/TE catch it, protect himself, then make his move; especially with defenses getting faster. Rodgers, and Favre both have extremely live arms, and could thrive in any system.

    The problem I have with the basic WCO and having a average arm QB running it is Tony Dungy, and Monte Kiffin killed it with the Tampa 2. You need a strong arm QB to beat it

  49. ljarllrajl says:

    For T-jak’s supposed superior athleticism and arm strength, he does very little with them.

    Flynn was throwing some very impressive back shoulder throws, to the left and in the seam, but the receivers just couldn’t make the play. RW threw a couple and TJ threw like one I think. The offense would just look better with Flynn under center. His number 1 job will be to hand the ball off to Lynch and Turbin…easy enough. Then he’ll need to make plays when asked, something TJ has never been able to do.

    Name Flynn the starter already Pete!

  50. bbnate420 says:

    Duke ran klm008 off with his constant jabs. I guess he had thin skin.

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Lol bbnate420! I was thinking the same thing! You know Dukeshire doesn’t like to lose a debate.

    SandpointHawk- Tell klm008 to come back, he’s not the only one that’s been insulted or have insulted Someone here.

    GeorgiaRay- Is the NFL Network with Directv?

  52. PHXHawk says:

    GeorgiaHawk…NFL Network is free on DirecTV (among other cable and satelite providers). Last year all the Seahawk preseason games were on NFL Network, some live but most replayed the same nite or during the following week. NFL Package doesn’t show them.

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    PHXHawk- Do you know if Comcast provides the NFL Network?

  54. PHXHawk says:

    Georgia-I don’t know, but it’s likely.

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