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Morning links: Vegas or bust

Post by Eric Williams on July 2, 2012 at 9:19 am with 39 Comments »
July 2, 2012 9:19 am
Mark Thrower, who works for Young Electric Sign Company, changes ballasts and lamps on the "Welcome to Las Vegas," sign on the Las Vegas Blvd.AP File photo.

Good morning. Sorry for my disappearance for the last, few days, but I’ve been making my way to Las Vegas for some R & R.

But I’ll be checking in throughout the week if any news breaks, and we will also begin our annual Offseason Rewind series, taking a closer look at issues the Seahawks will try and fix from last season.

Joe Foretnbaugh of the National Football Post takes a look at the readjusted Super Bowl odds for NFL teams. The Seattle Seahawks are one of several teams that experienced an odds drop since the opening numbers hit the board, going from 60 to 1 to a 40 to 1 to make the Super Bowl.

Tampa Bay had the most significant drop, going from 100 to 1 to 55 to 1 with the addition of Greg Schiano as the team’s new head coach. And with Peyton Manning in joining the Broncos, Denver’s odds dropped from 50 to 1 to 10 to 1.

Speaking of Vegas, Colts rookie tight end Coby Fleener, filling in for the vacationing Peter King of Sports Illustrated for his Monday Morning Quarterback column, writes that cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones said during his talk at the rookie symposium that he once blew $1 million dollars in Las Vegas.

ESPN’s Mike Sando provides this roster analysis of Seattle’s offense. Here’s what Sando had to say about the quarterback competition: “The plan calls for Jackson, Flynn and Wilson to take turns with the first-team offense when training camp opens. The roster spots for Flynn and Wilson appear most secure. Jackson’s situation appears most volatile. He could start, he could serve as a veteran backup at a reduced salary or he could be released. Seattle has to hope Flynn or Wilson takes advantage of the opportunity, on the theory that Jackson has most likely peaked. The Seahawks still like Portis as well, but keeping four quarterbacks isn’t a realistic option.”

Tom Pelissero of ESPN 1500 Twin Cities reports that Minnesota free agent Visanthe Shiancoe turned down a one-year, $1.2 million offer to join the Seahawks. Seattle apparently grew tired of waiting and made the trade for Kellen Winslow Jr. Shiancoe made a visit to Seattle during free agency, and was considered a strong possibility to join the roster because of his relationship with offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, receiver Sidney Rice and quarterback Tarvaris Jackson from his days with the Vikings.

Pro Football Weekly reports that the Seahawks expect defensive end Chris Clemons to be at training camp. Clemons is in the final year of a contract and wants a new deal.

Brian McIntyre of takes a look at all 32 NFL team’s salary cap situation. He reports that Seattle has $7,470,071 in cap space.

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports lists Zach Miller’s five-year, $34 million contract as one of the worst deals in the league.

Adam Caplan writing for The Sideline View reports that former Baylor Josh Gordon receiver will enter his name into the NFL supplemental draft, reportedly scheduled for July 12, joining TCU running back Ed Wesley. Gordon sat out last season after transferred to Utah because of a suspension for the 2011 season for violating team rules. At 6-4 and 225 pounds, and reportedly clocked in the 4-3s in the 40-yard-dash, Gordon could be selected because of his upside. He finished with 42 receptions for 714 yards (17.0 average) with 7 touchdowns.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Fleener can fill in for King anytime.

    I was hoping that he would fall to us in round two, however I was glad to see the Stealers didn’t get him like they got whats his name? You know, that other guy from Stanford.

    Very happy so far with Irvin and Wagner, and the rest of the draft!

  2. Dukeshire says:

    I liked the Fleener piece, as well.

    Eric – Looking for an old school / classic Vegas restaurant? Hugo’s Cellar underneath the 4 Queens on Freemont St. Trust me…

  3. Carlsonkid says:

    Paying Zach Miller $34 million to stay in and block is indeed ridiculous . Now then if they’d actually ever let him run a route and then throw him the ball …

    Seattle – where TE’s go to die , at least since Holmgren left . Here’s hoping our starting QB and offensive line play a lot better this year so Miller and Winslow can actually catch a ball or two .

  4. I think Duke knows a good restaurant to hit in every major US city.

    I don’t know if Miller’s contract is one of the worst but it certainly is a very poor contract for the team. He seems to create no separation on routes and his hands are bordering on questionable. I am hoping The Soldier has some knees left to add another dimension to this offense. And who knows, maybe Morrah will develop here in his final NFL chance.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Now I know what Fleener meant about Luck.

    Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis star says-

    -Luck also showed how simple he is, as he isn’t into social media things like Facebook and Twitter:

    “I’ve never really gotten into it,’’ he said. “I don’t know why. I wouldn’t call myself a Luddite; going to school there, I have a deep appreciation for technology, but I just choose to have a regular phone.’’

    Good for you Luck!

    There sure have been some good smart players coming out of Stanford the last two years.
    I’m glad we have two of them!

  6. Dukeshire says:

    pabs – West of, or in the Rockies, I’m your man. Get me East of them though and I need help from the locals (Austin, not withstanding).

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I know Dukeshire it’s the dreaded bleacher report. I just can’t find anything new about the Seahawks! Lol.

    BTW- check out this kids interview of Hutch before a pro bowl. ” Are you looking forward to pancaking someone?” Lol. BobbyK will like this.

    So what are the odds of Hutch and/or Hasselbeck making it to Canton one day? Anyone?

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I will tone down my criticisms of various other sites / writers / blogs, etc, moving forward, unless they are truly egregious. So, no worries Georgia. lol

  9. Hutch is better than plenty of players in Canton.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire- Have you ever been to Yachats OR ? I lived there for about a year in 1980. I grew up in Washington, however the Oregon coast was my favorite place!
    I try to get out there at least every two to three years!

    Also Tillamook cheese factory is a must see place on the coast, north of Newport. The best curds in the world!

  11. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK- did you check out this kids interview of Hutch? If you did check out this kids interview with Faneca! So funny!

  12. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, I think Hutch is pretty much a lock, or as close to with the idiotic votes of the last number of years. Hasselbeck won’t make it. No rings, doesn’t have the stats.

    pabuwal, not sure we’re watching the same TE. Watch some film from prior to 2011. He made a few drops last year that were magnified by the fact that he had so few opportunities. I think he separates just fine. Hoping the line can stay healthy so he and Winslow can actually go out as well.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – I’ve been through it on my way to Lincoln City and even taking the coast down to Bandon Dunes. And yeah, Tillamook is great. Those curds freak me out, a bit though. lol. Sort of rubbery and they kind of “pop” when you bit into them. I’ve done a little camping on the coast, out that way.

    I’d agree that Hutch deserves to be in Canton.

  14. bbnate420 says:

    No impact here, at least right now, but the NFL has loosened it’s blackout rules to 85 % of seats sold.

    Duke, you don’t have to pull back the media criticism for me. This forum is for expressing your opinions. I think you are generally right when you call reporters/commentators out. It just struck me as funny when Carson pointed it out because it rang true. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. On that note, Vegas odds are more useless than power rankings IMO as an evaluation tool. They’re just a reflection of how the public bets.

    Eric, how dare you think you can take a vacation! No really, enjoy yourself. Try not to blow through a cool mil like Pac “Makin it rain” Man. ;-)

  15. RDPoulsbo says:

    Do people really go to Vegas for R&R? Well, whatever happens in Vegas…

    Given it’s the doldrums of July, there’s no real news out there so anything out there is just whatever.

    Shiancoe was an idiot for turning down that money. I’m glad the Hawks dodged that bullet. I’m ok with the Winslow because at least he’s shown he can be very productive.

    I’ve chosen not to comment any further on the QB situation. I think I’m pretty clear on where I stand. Nothing’s going to change anyone’s mind, including PC until TC starts.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree bbnate420- about Hutch, especially if the Titans can make some noise.
    Hasselbeck would have to get lucky and win a Superbowl or two. He was good enough to have one already though! Oh the pain!!!!!

    And what about Easley? You have Kellen Winslow, Lott, and Elway all saying he was the best.
    Then you have Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers, Dwight Stephenson, and Doak Walker making it with short careers.

    This is on par with with our super bowl loss! I will always be a fan of the Seahawks, however I will never be a fan of the NFL until they make this right!


  17. Dukeshire says:

    The fact Easley isn’t in Canton is a reflection of where he played more than the length of his career, IMO. Georgia makes a good point there. He deserves to be in the ‘Hall as much as anyone who’s ever played. He was that good.

    bbnate420 – Honestly, hammering the idiocy of most sports journalists is picking low hanging fruit. I’m better off just trying to ignore them. lol.

    RDPoulsbo – No. After living and working in Vegas for 3 years, I suspect far more people need R7R *after* they get home from Vegas, than before they left.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It’s funny how it seems that everyone is avoiding the qb competition talk!
    It makes for a slower less exiting blog, imo. However it saves some of those here from having to hear the same redundant stuff over and over again!

    It’s almost like Dam that you do, Dam that you don’t! Lol.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Exciting! Beer time!

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Speaking of beer!

    “ You can’t be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline – it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. ”
    -Frank Zappa-


  21. FleaFlicker says:

    It’s been a not-so-fine summer day here: 60 and overcast.

    Eric, just make sure to bring some of that desert weather back with you!

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    FleaFlicker- I will trade you our weather this past week anytime! 106 for 60? No brainer to me!

    Considering there is pretty much nothing going on with Seahawk news of late, I will have dip into the bleacherreport again! Lol.

  23. I’ll pop the seal on qb talk for today though it’s indirectly related to our bless-ed Hawks. Headline as follows:

    Reports: Ryan Tannehill ‘not in the running’ to start for Dolphins; Garrard the fave?

    Well Wilson ‘is in the running’, so HA!

  24. Eric, put your money on the Seahawks and the over at 7 wins. Also, we moved from 60-1 to 40-1 odds on winning the whole thing. Still not a bad play, in my biased opinion.

    Anything worse than typing out a huge post (answering the jones/wagner/irvin question on the previous thread) and then losing it all? Especially trying to type on a phone.

  25. Galena,

    Just keep in mind that they’re hearing in Miami that TJack will be the starter here :)

  26. bbnate420 says:

    I’m too young to have ever seen Easley play. I was six his last year here, didn’t really follow football until 1992. I was trying to look up his statistics and it stuck me that I couldn’t find any statistics for career tackles. Did you know that tackles weren’t an “official” NFL statistic until 2001. Don’t understand how they are an “official” statistic with the way they are currently tallied. The NFL has a representative at every game to record tackles. But as the game is so fast they miss a lot, especially half-tackles and assists. The teams also keep tackle statistics for their players but, many people question those as well because of bias. Anyways, a reporter writing an article stating that the Hall should consider Easley before inducting Rodney Harrison, this was from right after Harrison’s retirement, concluded that Easley averaged around 6.7 tackles a game, about the same as Harrison. He also had 2 less INTs in about half the games played and about twice the INT return yardage.

    Sadly, Easley lost out on 11 games due to work stoppages, along with his career being cut short because of kidney failure. Sadly, his toughness, along with bad advice from trainers and doctors, cut his career short and destroyed his kidney.

  27. I also lived in Vegas worked for Bonanza airlines 66 to 69.When I was in the Navy We always called it I&I

  28. bbnate420 says:
  29. OregonHawk says:

    Georgia and Duke – I have lived in Oregon for 22 years, In Salem and for the past 8 years in Coos Bay, I am very familiar with the Tillamook area having traveled there yearly when we lived in Salem. I love here on the southern Oregon Coast, where in one day we can have 4 seasons lol

  30. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate420 – Were you also aware sacks didn’t become an official stat until ’82? Crazy. If you never saw Easley play, you ought to take 30 minutes or so and YouTube him. He was truly one of the greatest football players in NFL history. That may sound like hyperbole, but he really was that good.

  31. Palerydr says:

    I remember 2 plays Easley made 1 I believe it was the Chargers, he picked off a pass he got both toes down right at the sideline but the Ref said he didn’t. Replay showed it was, of course no challenges’ back then. That play showed his incredible athleticism. Another was when he got called for a personal foul and he picked up the flag and mimicked the ref throwing the flag. Of course he got another flag but that was 1 of the funniest moments I’ve ever seen on a football field. He deserves and belongs in the hall.

  32. Dukeshire says:

    OregonHawk – The Oregon coast, where you are now, and south, is so beautiful and quiet. I love it there.

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    OregonHawk- I would trade you places right now! It is so hot down here that we could have a summer for the record books.

    Another good reason for Sept to get here fast besides the Seahawk games.

  34. L & l in the Navy is Liberty and Leave.

    I love the Tillamook cheese curds. They squeak on your teeth. TIllamook is one of the things I miss living out of the PacNW. I can sometimes get it at the high end grocery store, but at a huge price gouge. I have people bring me baby loaves when they fly out to visit.

  35. Sorry guys, I can’t stand Oregon. The people or the state lol. Just being honest. Most annoying college football fans in the country. Eugene is a dirty stink hole. Everyone there is just a little “off” to me. And I like pumping my own gas, thanks.

  36. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, yeah I did know about sacks. I think maybe I first heard about that when I saw something about someone going back to try and figure out how many sacks Deacon Jones had. Tackles just struck me as more odd though. I guess with the problems associated with accurately tracking them it makes sense though. Although, the exact same thing applies to sacks.

  37. HawkfaninMT says:

    Going to Vegas in a couple weeks myself. Which do you guys think is the better way to spend a hundred? Over 7 wins, or taking the 40-1 odds on the SuperBowl win for the Hawks

  38. bbnate420 says:

    I’d take the over if you want a good chance to get your money back. If you don’t really care about the 100, the SB bet is pretty nice as you would get 4 grand.

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