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Morning links: Does Hawks defense reign supreme?

Post by Eric Williams on June 27, 2012 at 8:38 am with 108 Comments »
June 27, 2012 9:59 am

Pro Football Weekly’s fan contest with voters weighing on which team has the best defense in the league makes for an obvious poll question.

Right now, you can vote for the Seattle Seahawks as the best team in the league as they face the Pittsburgh Steelers in the finals.

Pro Football Weekly’s Eric Edholm and Mike Wilkening debate the issue in the video above.

But is Seattle really worthy? Yes, they finished No. 9 overall in total defense last year. And the Seahawks have one of the best young defensive backfields in the league. But Seattle still has questions to answer at middle linebacker and on the defensive line in terms of generating better pass rush. I don’t know if I would rate them better than San Francisco at this point.

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And the rest of Pro Football Weekly’s staff weighs in here.

ESPN’s Mike Sando writes that Seattle receiver Doug Baldwin finished with the best third-down conversion receptions rate among NFC West receivers.

ESPN’s Jeffri Chadiha writes that players have no one to blame but themselves in dealing with the unchecked power of league commissioner Roger Goodell.

ESPN’s KC Joyner puts Brandon Browner on his most overrated players in the NFC. You must be an ESPN Insider to view this Joyner: “Browner made the Pro Bowl on the strength of his six interceptions, but he had abysmal coverage metrics and was a penalty machine. He was terrible against short passes (6.7 YPA, ranked 72nd), vertical passes (11.3 VYPA, ranked 63rd) and stretch vertical passes (14.8 SVYPA, ranked 66th). Plus, one of his interception returns for a touchdown was a gift, due more to the highly inaccurate arm of Bears quarterback Caleb Haniethan any action on Browner’s part. All Browner did was drop back into zone coverage and catch a pass that was thrown right to him.”

I understand Joyner’s reasoning, but Browner finished with the most pass deflections in the league, and six interceptions, including two returned for a touchdown, are not easy numbers to obtain. Browner also is one of the best tackling cornerbacks in the league.

Clare Farnsworth of profiles undrafted rookie free agent offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson, who turned some heads during offseason workouts this year.

ESPN’s John Clayton tells ESPN 710 Seattle’s Kevin Calabro and Jim Moore that Tarvaris Jackson might be asked to take a pay cut from $4 million to something like $1.5 million if he does not win the starting quarterback competition in this audio link. I don’t know if I necessarily believe that. Seattle paid Charlie Whitehurst $4 million to be the backup last year. Jason Campbell will make $3.5 million as Chicago’s backup this year. Kyle Orton will make nearly $6 million in total compensation to play behind Tony Romo in Dallas this year.

Alex Marvez of Fox Sports writes that some NFL observers believe making neck strength a measurable at the combine could cut down on concussions. I know when I played developing neck strength was a point of emphasis from junior high all the way through college. But it seems to be something that has not been emphasized as much over the years.

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  1. With regards to Browner, I believe he must improve and show growth over last year to maintain his starting position. He has to cut down on the penalties and the big plays allowed. If it was a simple adjustment to the speed of the game, then he can do this. If it was because of his actual speed, then I would say this “boom and bust” nature is just part of his game and Carroll will look to replace him down the road just like he did the last “boom and bust QB”, Josh Wilson.

  2. SandpointHawk says:
  3. Dukeshire says:

    I agree that Browner must cut his PIs. It’s a difficult balance; playing as physical as he does while not getting flagged. But if he’s to grow and improve, he has to find it. He’s not blessed with a lot of quickness and his straight-line speed would seem to point him toward SS at some point in his career. So technique is where he can really excel. I really look forward to seeing his growth (hopefully) this season.

    I would love to know what Joyner’s “coverage metrics” are. Is it simply the three stats he details, or something more?

  4. I totally don’t care about rankings Offense or Defense if we are going to be 7-9 all the time.

    I really want to see us get above 9-7 CONSISTENTLY and then start actually competing for Super Bowl wins 2 or 3 times out of a 5 year period.

    I think our Defense is good and improving but I won’t call them elite until they can put it together for a few years in a row. We have all seen a team step up and have a great year and then slide back down to where they were the next year.

    Our Offense needs to really get consistent – they had finished well each of the last few years but dug themselves a huge hole to start – We can not be great until we can be a TEAM starting at game one

  5. Dukeshire says:

    Eric, That’s interesting about neck strength. I remember in Pop Warner, Jr High, and into High School, part of our stretching and workouts focused on neck strength. Even to the point where we would be on all fours, pressing the side of our heads against a teammates leg, for 30 seconds or so, each side. Then there are all kinds of neck exercises wrestlers do with weights…

  6. WiscCory says:

    You nailed it Eric – tackling alone makes Browner much more valuable then ESPN’s writer makes him out to be. Sure, I hate to see penalties or blown assignments, however missed tackles are simply unacceptable.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – Bobby wanted you to know that he’s in section 215 today. Not 210 as he said.

  8. Next thing for BobbyK is to actually get mobile access rather than WiFi only.

  9. Soggybuc says:

    If rankings, stats and “metrics” actually mattered then we wouldnt need to play the games would we?
    Seems all the experts had SF finishing behind the Rams in some cases and Arizona winning the division mostly now it’s the 49’ers that just need to set cruise control and sleepwalk all the way to bowl!
    The only that’s certain is from the moment of the first kick off in the regular season all these “experts predictions and analysis will go out the window fast.
    Any given Sunday!

  10. chuck_easton says:

    Browner is still playing CB in the CFL mode. Up here there are 5 or 6 WR’s on every play and they are all moving at the snap. A WR can legally start 20 yards back and be at a full sprint towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball.

    CB’s up here quickly learn to grab on, get in the WR’s pocket, and ride them like a rented mule until the whistle. The Ref’s let them get away with it up here.

    I think he’ll adjust his game to be as physical as they will allow, but he’ll never be a 10 yard cushion kind of guy like Jennings was.

  11. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Before I write this I concede the obvious “woulda, shoulda, coulda.” That being said, we were unofficially 9-7 last year. The other two wins come from the Browns game and the week 17 Cardinals game. A false penalty caused the Browns loss. And I have a nagging suspicion that the Cardinals game was more about testing out some soon to be free agents rather than winning–i.e., Forsett and Washington got a lot of carries at the expense of Lynch.

    I really expect a 10-6 (or slightly better) record this season. As strong as I lukewarmly like Tavaris Jackson, I just don’t believe he’ll start. From the OTA’s it seems like he’ll never get the ball out quick enough, or improve his timing and anticipation. That being said, I really think we’ll see improvement at that position either from Flynn or Wilson. Secondly, I really expect our defense to take that next step and become elite next season. I think what prevented our defense from being elite last season was its lack of a pash rush; however, I believe we addressed that with Irvin and Jones.

    Speaking of defense, has anyone heard anything new about Clemons? Did he really reject a new contract from Seattle? Furthermore, what are the odds that his holdout carries over into the regular season? Lastly, does anyone think that if he plays well again this season, but refuses to sign a contract, he’ll be franchised?

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Dukeshire, however I don’t think I will make it this time. My car blew a spark plug out of the engine the other day. ( Bad threads I guess). Now my Mechanic has been putting me off. Hopefully he will show up soon enough for me to make it to the game.

    Pass on the message to BobbyK if you can and tell him he picked the right Braves jersey to wear.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – I passed the message along.

  14. I felt like Browner got a few reputation PI calls toward the end of the year – not that he didn’t earn that reputation by repeatedly making contact early in they year – but didn’t get any benefit of the doubt as the season went on. I remember complaining about it on this blog after watching a couple Jets games and seeing how much ‘illegal contact’ Revis gets away with during his coverages.

    Browner’s a plus and minus guy – great tackler, and a playmaker, but not much finesse in terms of clean coverage. Overall, still a valuable player for us, and I’m glad we have him, though he’s not as good as his Seahawks counterpart at CB.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    Yeah, I believe Sherman has the tools to become an elite corner in this league. I was dead wrong about him, coming out of Stanford. I watched PAC 10 receivers turn him inside out, with relative regularity. But Carroll rightfully saw what he’s capable of. I’m really excited about his future as a Seahawk.

  16. The12thMan says:

    From where I’m sitting the biggest question mark on defense is at the MLB position. I’ve read that MLB is not as important a position in Pete’s defense which I confess I don’t understand and haven’t taken the time yet to try. I do painfully remember though going through what seemed like decades with very average MLB’s, like Dean Wells for example, and correspondingly having very average to below average run defenses (even with Tez and Sam Adams on the D-line). When we finally got Lofa our defense seemed to almost immediately take a big step forward.

    Even if its true about MLB not being as important in this defense as in others, I think Bobby Wagner’s performance is going to be pretty pivotal for our D this next year. If Wagner flops we will probably see Ruud starting and have a pretty average player at what I think is a very important position (regardless of scheme). If Wagner is pretty average in his play then same result. If, however, Bobby is able to catch on mentally fairly quickly, and shows instincts/intelligence even close to that of Lofa’s, he could be a real force and our D could reach a new level. He definitely appears to have great speed and tackling ability. If he can get the mental part, and also use his athletic ability to effectively cover running backs, or to blitz the QB on passing downs, then we could easily have a top 5 defense in my opinion.

  17. The12thMan says:

    Pdway, great points about Browner. I think its like in the NBA where the stars have calls go their way or are allowed to travel pretty regularly. Perhaps Brandon’s trip to the Pro Bowl, along with no longer having rookie status will get him a little more love from the refs this year.

  18. I think the biggest question mark on Defense is Browner. As much grief as Jackson gets for not being able to finish games, Browner was a much of a culprit last year.

    He can’t go another year allowing long completions in critical end of game moments.

  19. The12thMan says:

    I didn’t get the chance to chime in on our QB competition earlier so I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. This quote from Sean Connery’s character in The Rock shows why Flynn should be our guy. “Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and *$#@ the prom queen.” If you’ve seen Matt’s girlfriend you know what I mean!

    In all seriousness though I could really see Flynn being like a Tom Brady type. Brady doesn’t have the strongest arm either but he is just a winner. He always just seems calm and confident no matter the situation and because of that he almost always makes the right decision and just delivers. Other posters have brought up Montana who also obviously fit this mold. In the footage I’ve seen Flynn had a lot of pass rush pressure on him in his two starts, but he calmly eluded it and delivered. To me this ability is what really separates the great QBs from the others. As several previous posters have pointed out though, the tough thing is that this quality doesn’t really show in practices.

  20. seahawk44 says:

    Sidney Rice only 3 for 15 on 3rd down conversions last season? That is not good. I think the play of Rice is vital to the success of the offense.

  21. I think the biggest question mark on D is still the pass rush – until we see what our 1st rounder can do – we don’t really know. I’m excited about his prospects too, but until we see him in some games, against starting LT’s, we won’t really know. That was the biggest issue for the D last year.

    Many more of the Q’s on this team are on the other side of the ball, as we all know.

  22. I don’t know what QB you’ve watched in New England but Brady has a very strong arm. Very adept at laying the long pass in stride.
    Flynn on the other hand hasn’t shown any knack or arm strength for the deep pass. He appears to execute screen passes very well.

  23. Soggybuc says:

    LOL, great Connery quote 12thman! Flynn in many way’s has been a victim of circumstance.
    So good he was recruited by one the premier programs in Div I. and then had to sit behind JaMarcus** Russel until his senior year.
    Then got drafted by a team that was about to emerge as a perennial contender and had to sit behind a pro bowler/ Super Bowl MVP.
    So while yes, he has a small pool of games to look at. thing is he has done very well in that small sample.

    **JaMarcus was a bust in the NLF sure, but that had nothing to do with lack of talent or skill. truth is he got drafted and just turned into a head case who didnt give a Sh!^. much like Marinovich. but while at LSU Russel was the most dominate force in college football and the Heisman trophy and a national championship back that up.

  24. bbnate420 says:

    I think some of you need to go back and watch that Lions game from last year if you think Matty 2.0 cannot throw the deep ball. He made a couple of nice deep throws to Nelson in that game. I’m not saying that he has a rocket arm or that it is his strong suit but, he is capable of making deep throws.

  25. The12thMan says:

    “I don’t know what QB you’ve watched in New England but Brady has a very strong arm.”

    What I meant to say was that one of Brady’s perceived negatives before he got to start regularly was not having a very strong arm. I’ve never really thought of him as having a rifle but I agree with you that he has shown plenty of arm strength over the years. So one would think he must have really hit the weights after college.

  26. Brady built that arm strength up pretty good while in the pros.

  27. I think I’m starting to buy all the hype on our QB of the future. I am now officially rooting for R Wilson to win the job and be the guy for the next several years to come!

    IF it’s one of the other two, I’ll be fine with it as it’d probably be done to not rush the kid along too fast. This team is poised to win now.

    RW isn’t going anywhere. I think it comes down to Flynn/Jackson for the ‘other position’. I know PC has said money doesn’t matter, but IF RW actually does win the job outright, I can’t imagine Flynn AND Jackson being the back ups with that kind of money. I think one would be cut and Portis would be the 3rd b/c of his low salary.

    It’ll be interesting to say the least.


  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I am trying to stay away from the qb talk for awhile other then to say that I pretty much agree with what joreb just posted.

    So how does anyone else rank this list?

  29. Why is everyone on Wilson’s nuts? Flynn has stepped up every time he’s been given the opportunity, so why are there doubters, have either of the QB’s been able to show what they got yet? Flynn at least has some game tape on him where he shines, so where is all the doudt coming from?

  30. bird_spit says:

    I suspect both Flynn and TJ will be starting on their perspective teams. One for the Hawks, other for a CFL team.

  31. Macabrevity says:

    I love this Hawks D as much as the next guy, but I’m cautiously realistic about next season. NFL CB is as tough as any position on the D, and big corners tend to struggle more against certain types of routes. If the refs decide to nerf our D with PI calls it’ll be within the rules, because as written, corners are pretty much spectators in today’s NFL. Our pass rush should be improved, and our run D should be as good as last season at least, but a lot of things could happen to bump us down statistically speaking. It’s already been mentioned ad nauseam how we faced quite a few clipboard holders last season. The personnel and schemes are a lot of fun, but I think talk of #1, or even top 5 is premature.

  32. Macabrevity says:

    bbnate – I agree with you on Flynn’s deep passes. He seems to have decent timing, and that’s the key.

  33. Macabrevity says:

    Georgia, as for that list…. am I the only one that doesn’t hate on Boz? He was derailed by injuries, but he could play the game. I don’t like lumping him together with Curry at all. Boz at least brought some color and some T-shirts to the Kingdome, plus he put a couple of unforgettable hits on Mr. Ed.

    Curry did jack squat.

  34. hawkfan777 says:

    I agree with Maca.

    The Hawks will face some pass heavy offenses this year. Last year they faced a lot of back up QB’s. I think a top 10 defense may be possible but to expect a top 5 defense with this many young guys may lead to disappointment.

    I just hope to see a big improvement on offense so that the defense will not be on the field as much. That in itself should improve the effectiveness of the defense.

  35. GeorgiaHawk says:

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  36. Loved Boz’s tackle on Bo at the goalline, “priceless”

  37. Dukeshire says:

    It’s word tackle that ought to be in quotations. lol

  38. Soggybuc says:

    To be fair Bo did that to a bunch people.

  39. princeaden says:

    Wilson will not be named the starter. I don’t have the stats in front of me but I don’t think there a too many 3rd rounders who start at Qb as a rookie. After a preseason game or two, Flynn separates himself from the crowd with his poise, timing and generally being better than the field. Tjack takes a pay cut or is shown the door and Wilson is 3rd string. If Tjack refuses the pay cut Wilson moves up one on the depth chart and Portis survives another season. Just my opinion.

  40. The Boz wasn’t a bust like Aaron Curry, but because he had a big mouth, everyone made a big deal of Bo’s running over him. Sometimes it’s better to shut up and let your actions do the talking.

  41. princeaden says:

    The difference between Boz and Curry is that at least Bosworth could get to the right spot and be ran over by Bo. Curry would have overran the play and Bo would have gone in untouched.

  42. Advertisements for strip clubs on here?

    I thought this was a family blog.. but 2 for 1 dances, not bad..

  43. SandpointHawk says:

    Jeez Carson you made me look, but it’s of course a Gentlemen’s Club. Although strip clubs are out of style I’m sure us us TNT Insiders would be allowed in an old fashioned strip club. As for being allowed in a Gentleman’s Club I’m not sure all of us would be welcome…. :)

  44. Macabrevity says:

    If you go back and look at that tackle and apply some physics, the outcome would’ve been the same with any other LB applying the ‘tackle.’ Boz came in from an angle, not straight on. Bo’s mass and acceleration straight on carried him through to the end zone. Not nearly as embarrassing as say MJD knocking ‘lights out’ on his can face up ;)

  45. psoundpowerhouse says:

    Yeah, “key” word, physics.
    Boz was to high.

  46. Speaking of busts, anyone old enough to remember Andre Hines? I found this on Sportspress Northwest:

    Andre Hines, Seahawks, 1980. Seahawks bosses planned to use their second-round pick on Brian Holloway, an All-America tackle from Stanford. Instead, in an epic case of mistaken identity by bullheaded head coach Jack Patera, who refused to admit he was wrong, Holloway’s pudgy backup was picked. Once drafted, Hines freely admitted he rarely played at Stanford. He rarely played for the Seahawks – nine games, starting none. In one memorable Seahawks embarrassment, a 51-7 blowout loss at Dallas on Thanksgiving Day, 1980, Patera inserted Hines late, whereupon Cowboys’ defensive end Harvey Martin immediately drew Hines off-sides by yelling, “Boo!”

    At least Hines played for the Seahawks, unlike Owen Gill.

    Owen Gill, Seahawks, 1985. A fullback from Iowa, Gill was the first player taken by the Seahawks with the No. 53 overall (no first-rounder). Gill not only didn’t play a down in a regular-season game, he didn’t make it through training camp. Gill came to symbolize the bankruptcy of the entire ‘85 draft. From the second through the fifth rounds, the Seahawks selected Gill, WR Danny Greene, TE Tony Davis, C Mark Napolitan, CB Arnold Brown and RB Johnnie Jones. The six combined to play just six games for the Seahawks.

    SOURCE for both items:

  47. Dukeshire says:

    Macabrevity – Boz was in position to get him straight on. However, he chose to duck his head and tackle Jackson around his shoulders, rather than go low and win the leverage game. psoundpowerhouse is exactly right: Boz was *way* to high.

  48. Macabrevity says:

    Been a while since I saw that hit…. looks like he was definitely too high on that. I remembered it differently after all those years of defending the Boz. Probably over-confidence, or maybe playing dinged… maybe he was used to bowling guys over without technique. Either way, bad tackle. Still not as bad as MJD v light’s out.

  49. When I think of great Seahawks busts, I don’t have Bosworth on the list. He had a fairly productive Rookie Season and would have had a fairly productive career if not for injuries (caused by Steroid abuse).

    He was a middle 1st round draft pick and while his 8 year, $10 million contract was high – like all NFL contracts it wasn’t guaranteed and this was before the era of the huge signing bonus (like what Curry got).

  50. Dukeshire says:

    Macabrevity – It’s funny how the mind remembers events we seem to recall with clarity, years after the fact. lol

  51. SandpointHawk says:

    I do remember Andre Hines and Owen Gill. Hines was the best (might be the wrong word)ever… Jack how do you draft the wrong guy? Boo indeed…..

  52. Singularitarian says:

    SandpointHawk- That article can be immediatly discredited. Lol I guess he might make that list if it were comparing contracts to fantasy football output, but in the real world a tight end can help his team without putting up 70 catches. I gaurantee Carroll and co don’t regret getting Miller

  53. chuck_easton says:


    CFL regular season begins this weekend. All 8 teams have their starting QBs. TJack will have to go USFL if he wants to start and doesnt finish first in the QB sweepstakes.

  54. Dukeshire says:

    The USFL? Perhaps the AAFL or Arena League. But he’d need a time machine for the fun and excitement of the USFL.

  55. One will go and I think that it comes down what they decide they want to do.

    Save money – then Tjack or Flynn go
    Play for the future – Tjack seems to be the most likely to leave

    Keep the most talented group – then Portis goes.

    I think all of us could make up scenarios where anyone of the guys go.

    I think Portis goes – they love his potential but they clearly like RW better than Portis. They kept a spendy Backup this year why wouldn’t they do it this year.

  56. Duke, TJack is actually going to the XFL, and will play under the surname “BobbyK Hate Me”

  57. Soggybuc says:

    USFL? Chuck your really dating yourself there! hopefully the Bandit’s pick him up. Burt’s team really needs some luck this season.

  58. Carson ‘ LOL

  59. The USFL is back with plans to begin play March 2013 through June with a 14 game season in 8 cities.

  60. Dukeshire says:

    Yeah, I don’t understand why some as so anxious to put Carroll on the “hot seat”. He’s just now getting this whole thing rolling. And we’ve been reading the so-called hot seat non-sense since last season. Very odd to me.

  61. princeaden says:

    Adreed Duke. When the roster is compared to the one he took over, look at all the bright spots. Thomas, Kam, Sherman, Browner, Lynch, Rice, Flynn, Miller, Winslow, Tate, Baldwin, R Wilson, Wright and several more. Not to mention the several, what I believe to be Gems coming from this draft-class and free agency period. To think that Carroll is even remotely close to the Hot-seat is irresponsible reporting bordering on mentally challenged.

  62. I love it when someone tells me what I think as a Seahawks fan…obviously news in the NFL is rather sloooooow this week. The locker article was just as worthless.

    Here’s what I hope happens…whoever Pete picks as our QB goes on and takes the Seahawks to a 12-4 season with a strong offense and a dominant defense and dashing the 9ers hopes of winning the NFC West (because we beat them twice, soundly!) just so all those reporters on the east coast can then jump on the Pete bandwagon and tell America what a genius he and JS really are…hey, it could happen!

  63. That article was actually very accurate.

    It stated all the things we discuss here. It says that Carroll is NOT on the hot seat and it would take an absolute disaster for him to be on the hot seat.

    Not sure why anyone would take issue with it’s sentiment.

  64. “He appears to have a strong ally in GM John Schneider, who works hand in hand with Carroll to pick players and build the roster. They seem to share a vision. And it’s a strong, perhaps underrated roster that they have built, with a defense that might be ready to vault into the top handful of the NFL if the pass rush develops. But what happens if they can’t find a solution at quarterback? Even in a weak division, they likely can’t play the shuffle game with Matt Flynn, Russell Wilson or Tarvaris Jackson and expect to take down the 49ers and what Jim Harbaugh has built there so quickly. They must develop offensively and take advantage of the fact that the rest of the division remains vulnerable to varying degrees.

    What Carroll needs to do to keep his job in 2013: Do we say that 7-9 for a third straight season is probably enough? There is legitimate optimism in Seattle about a playoff berth this year, and with two years left on Carroll’s deal after this season, it probably would take a real disaster to see him canned.”


    What is wrong with this article? How is this not seen as a positive (especially coming from PFW)?

    Does Pete have an ally in John Schneider? Yes.
    Do they share a vision? Yes.
    Is the roster strong and underrated? Yes
    Is it ready to vault into the top 5 if the pass rush develops? Yes.
    Do we need a solution at QB? Yes.
    Do we have options at QB? Yes.
    Is the rest of the division vulnerable if we can get stable QB play? Yes.
    Carroll would keep his job even with another 7-9 season? Yes.
    Is there legitimate optimism for the playoffs in Seattle? Yes.
    Would it take a real disaster to see him canned? Yes.

    I just went through the entire article line by line and agree with everything that was written, especially given that it was written on the national level where we usually get no respect.

  65. Dukeshire says:

    The issue I have is with the premise: that is, simply yelling us why he *isn’t* on the hot seat is an implication that he in fact is, or is soon to become. It’s an odd place indeed, to write an article enforcing someone from a position of negativity, ie. “hot-seat”. So it’s not necessarily the substance of the article, but it tenor I take exception to.

  66. Dukeshire says:

    *telling* / *endorsing* / *it’s*

    Damn iPhone…

  67. TomlPDX says:

    Carson, the article is accurate and states the obvious with each sentence. No dispute. I could have written it as well as anyone else in this blog.

    The tone, as Duke points out, is what set me up on the negative aspect of it and that’s what I was left with after reading it…negative info about Pete regardless of the positives that were stated. I hope he proves them wrong and it all comes together this year and we enter the playoffs as a strong contender. It may happen, it may not. If the Seahawks fall flat on their face with less than 4 wins this year I will be amazed because we have good players, good coaches and good depth. I really don’t see it happening unless there was a disaster.

    What is the team’s weakest position right now? I don’t think it is QB, we have good talent vying for that position and who ever emerges will keep us in contention. For me, I think it is the middle linebacker position. That is the true leadership position of a defense and Bobby will need to step up and take charge if we want to see our D become a dominant force. It’s an intangible measure of our D as a whole.

  68. Duke,

    So when discussing whether EVERY coach in the NFL was on the hot seat and writing a synopsis on EVERY situation, you are suggesting that Pete Carroll should have been left off the list altogether? To me, that would have been more insulting, albeit par for the course from a national standpoint.

    Look, there are lots of things to get mad about when it comes to national coverage of the Seahawks (like every piece on NFL network) but this is not one of them.

  69. Dukeshire says:

    Who’s mad? Secondly, a “hot seat” meter, or whatever PFW is calling it, for the entire league is idiotic to start with, IMO. Then there’s the fact they have Carroll in the bottom third. That is, 2/3rds of the coaches in the league are “safer” than he? It’s absurd and odd to me. If you have a different opinion, that’s fine.

  70. Soggybuc says:

    One thing the article does not take into effect is our owner!

    Mr. Allen is not just a patient man, he also seems to under stand the “long” view point. building a team is never an easy job that can be done in 1 or 2 years. if it was everyone would have a SB trophy in the case.

    So far all we have seen is improvement in the team, even if the record has been the same. as long as Pete keeps showing upward movement and progress in building the beast his job is safe.**

    **Pisses me off to see a college coach get fired after only a few seasons. you need 5 years to see what kind of team he’s building. if you dont give him the time to let his freshman class get to the senior point and then you can look at the roster and judge what you have as a long term prospect.
    Unless of course your Urban Meyers who is handed a loaded roster.

  71. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree Soggybuc. Mora probably wouldn’t. Lol.

  72. Oh, now it’s the premise that’s stupid. Got it. Nice scramble, Seneca. Too bad you ran out of bounds twenty yards behind the line of scrimmage :)

    There’s only a handful of coaches on the hot seat every year out of 32. They ranked them about how I would envision a national outlet ranking them.

    If I had a nickel for every article or columnist that you have labeled “idiotic, absurd and odd” I’d have several dollars.

    I understand it’s fine to have a different opinion. And I also understand sometimes it’s hard to put things into context on an iPhone. Just my two pennies, but you should lighten up and enjoy things a bit. It’s going to be a fun season. Enjoy the Real Rob Report and Channel 83 or whatever. Enjoy having positive things written about what we’re building here. It’s all good, man.

  73. Actually Soggybuc, the article does take that into account, or at least it is safe to assume it does. That is why it CLEARLY states that Pete Carroll is NOT on the hot seat. Jeezus, lol.

  74. bbnate420 says:

    Carson, LOL! I would have to agree with your statement about Duke and reporters. Opinions are like holes I guess. Dead period of the football year. You’re going to get a lot of nonsense articles, not that I’m saying this was one. I agree that the premise of this list is kind of stupid and not all that interesting IMO. That said, I didn’t vociferously disagree with anything in it. There aren’t a lot of good options for reporters this time of year, especially if you lack personal access and resources. Lists are cheap and simple. They could break down the cover-1 defense for the billionth time instead I guess. The only really interesting stories for this time of year to me are in depth personal profiles about players or position battles. Besides the Hawks QB battle as I am sick of hearing about it until TC. They could write about the flat salary cap and the possible coming battle when the new TV money comes in 2014 but, that is kind of a bummer.

  75. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, speaking of QBs, NFL network is replaying the Flynn vs Lions game from 2011 right now if anyone cares.

  76. bbnate420 says:

    Four Hawks games being pushed back from 1:15 to 1:25 if anyone cares.

    Georgia, I think Jim Moron was an exception because of how pathetic the team was the second half of the year and they had a chance to get PC. Seems like Numbskull put Moron into place. Once Numbskull got the boot, Moron wasn’t long for Seattle.

  77. The last 30 posts…yawn. When does camp start?

  78. princeaden says:

    Yes Eric, We need some new material to work with.

  79. Dukeshire says:

    Carson – Try reading my posts. I noted premise. So not only do they have Carroll idioticly low on a mowlronic list, the whole concept is stupid, just as I said all along.

  80. Dukeshire says:

    Carson and bbnate420 – If you have a problem with my opinions, don’t read my posts. Pretty simple. But as was noted, this is a slow time of year, and it’s just a conversation.

  81. Sounds like I need to post my odds on the QB Competition again.

  82. princeaden says:

    Just do it Pabs..

  83. Soggybuc says:

    Carson, funny stuff. I love it. if you would add a penny to that pool of money for Blog postings I would be worth a couple grand in your pocket for sure.
    I’ll admit it, I actually didn’t click the link and read the article. mostly because anything written this time of year is pointless fluff intended to show the boss “see, i’m working, really I am” so yea. i just spouted off on the premise alone.
    Really is the worst time of year for us Football Zealots, nothing to to do but eat our own until camps start.

    Pab’s what are these QB “odds” you are refering too?

  84. Nice read on Hutch on

  85. bird_spit says:

    Game time changes, a coach with a hot seat, 7th rounder 49er with wounds…yawn ..are you ready for some football?

  86. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Jim Mora being coach for the Seahawks turned out to be one of the better things to happen for Seattle football, imo.

    Not only did he keep the seat warm for Carroll, it also kept him from possibly becoming head coach of the Huskies.

    I couldn’t believe that Allen would hire this guy, especially after the mess made out of the Falcons. But now I know why. Allen just wanted to save the Huskies from 5 more years of lousy coaching.

    What were you thinking UCLA ????

  87. Soggybuc says:

    I’m really happy the Huskies have Sarks. going to take him a bit but as soon as he can wrest the SoCal talent train away from Oregon the glory days will return
    Few realize that was what made Don James a great coach, he jacked all the talent from USC and UCLA. thats why the Pac 10 death penaltied the UW.
    If you can’t beat them, politically de rail them.

  88. Soggybuc says:

    Actually it was keep the home grown talent in state while poaching the competitions back yard. I miss the Dawg Father!

  89. GeorgiaHawk says:

    East cost bias at it’s best!

    Soon they will be saying that they never heard of Kenny Easley.

  90. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think Don James would have made a great NFL coach. when he retired I was hoping that he would take the leep to the NFL. Especially to the Seahawks.

  91. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, when did I say I had a problem with your posts? I just agreed with Carson that you have posted the opinion that a lot of writers/commentators/articles are “idiotic, absurd, and odd”. Maybe you should read my post? I COULDN’T CARE LESS if you think EVERY writer/commentator is a complete moron!

    Don’t get your panties in a twist, bor. ;-)

  92. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, I have figured out the odds for the Hawks starting QB. There’s a 100 % chance that TJack, Flynn or RW will be the starter.

    P.S. Technically no,t as they could all die in a fire.

  93. GeorgiaHawk says:
  94. So, back on topic . . . .of our 3 new additions on Defense, Irvin – Jones – Wagner. who will make the biggest impact on the defense:

    a: Initially
    b: Over the first 8 games
    c: Over the course of the whole season

    I think Irvin will be the most visible but I think that Jones could make the biggest difference that goes unnoticed. He should allow the team to do more things along the line to keep teams guessing – thus giving, Clemons, Irvin, Bryant and Mebane more chances to get free and make something happen.

    Over the 2nd half of the season – I have a gut feeling that Wagner will be filling in just fine at the MLB.

    I also think that Irvin will get a fast start and then level out in the middle of the season and hopefully have a strong finish.

  95. TomlPDX says:

    Love Dave Krieg!

    xcman, initially, Jones.
    over the first 8 games, Jones
    over the course of the season…Irvin…the man will find his calling! :)

  96. bbnate420 says:

    Weird that they can’t even remember him fumbling constantly. Plop, plop, plop. ;-)

  97. Dukeshire says:

    I love Art Thiel calling out Don Banks in that Kreig piece. Too funny.

  98. Soggybuc says:

    Xc, count me as one who thinks that the Jones signing will be the best move they made in the off season.
    The un noticed but most important work always happens on the line. take a stout line and add in the threat that Jones represents and you have a game changer.
    not that anyone will notice.

    Coby Fleener penned a guest piece on MMQB for Duke’s favorite writer on SI. good read going to be very hard not to root for the Luck/Fleener duo but i’ll try.

  99. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Wagner I think will have the most impact by seasons end. One thing for sure, we have a group of talented athletic and fast players coming in that could really put the defense over the top, and significantly help improve our special teams play!

    It’s going to be so much fun to see how this all plays out!

  100. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Yes, thanks Soggy. Very good stuff!

    I like the qoute from Torrey Smith

    “Congratulations on making it into the NFL. You’re now on your way out of the NFL.”

  101. bbnate420 says:

    Initially, I think Jones makes the biggest impact as he adds pass rush inside and takes pressure off of the outside rushers. Over the first 8 games, he probably has the biggest impact as well. Over the last 8 games, I think it will be Irvin, or at least the most visible impact. He will adjust to the game and take advantage of the pressure taken off of him by Clem and Jones. I don’t see a lot of RT’s blocking him one on one. That said, I think Wagner may have the biggest impact if you consider the entire season. He will have to adjust to the league, duh, but he plays one of the most important positions on defense. It may not be as important in PC’s system but, it is still very important. He may not be ready to make the immediate impact of Jones or get the sexy stats that Irvin will but, IMO he will be very solid. Should be fast in coverage and a tackling machine.

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