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Deuce is an Ace

Post by Dave Boling / The News Tribune on June 19, 2012 at 6:26 am with 74 Comments »
June 19, 2012 6:26 am

Good morning. Here’s my column on new Seahawks guard Deuce Lutui. What an interesting guy. I suspect he was somewhat of a villain to Seahawks fans when he played for the Cardinals. It seemed he was always going after linebacker Lofa Tatupu, his old USC teammate. But he’s a very community-involved and thoughtful man who has powered through some grave challenges in his life and career. That he has gotten himself in impressive condition speaks to his motivation.


Coach Pete Carroll loves his spirit and his locker-room presence. His on-field effect should be even more positive. Right now, he’s slotted behind John Moffitt at right guard. Consider this is a guy with 72 NFL starts now available for fill-in duty. The quality of O-line depth is one of the unnoticed upgrades for this team. And Lutui is a big part of it.


From Former Seahawks exec Mickey Loomis now will oversee the New Orleans Hornets as well as the Saints as Saints owner Tom Benson recently purchased the NBA team. Let the bounty jokes begin.


Commentators for debate the effects of replacement refs in the NFL. I thought the refs, the “real” refs, struggled all year to give consistent enforcement of the new safety points of emphasis. To me, it felt as if players were never quite sure what would be called from week to week. Whatever degree of understanding was developed as the season went on could be lost with replacement refs.


Clare Farnsworth of takes a look at the newly bargained rule that does not allow players to workout at their team’s facilities during this dead period leading into training camp. Coach Pete Carroll, of course, is not a fan.


ON 710ESPN radio. Brock and Salk, along with ESPN NFC West blogger Mike Sando discuss the on-going Chris Clemons situation.


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  1. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t know about unnoticed. Many of us here have talked about how refreshing it is to have the o line be one of the deepest units on the team. My question about Deuce, is how / why did he fall so far out of shape to begin with?

    And I have to say; I’m glad he’s eating more while foods and veggies, especially if that helps him play at his best. But there is no such thing as incorporating fish and chicken into vegan concepts. None. The entire concept behind veganism is *no* animal products. In any case…

    Dave, I think you’re spot on about the officials las season.

  2. RDPoulsbo says:

    I still like Unger’s comment that he vegan too because he hadn’t eaten in 3 hours.

    Dave’s concerns about inconsistent calls by refs is a big reason why I think they should be full time. There’s a wide discrepancy between crews and they should spend the middle of the week going over film with the league VP of Officiating to cut down on that discrepancy. It’s a big blindspot for the league in protecting their brand.

  3. Morning. I just gotta say how much I appreciate it when you work the blog Dave. It just makes the blog way more enjoyable for me. These days, ‘the blog’ is where I follow sports in general and more specifically the Seahawks.

    That being said:

    I want full time professional refs.
    So much is on the line in sports these days. The players well being, So many peoples livelihood, and not the least the fans desire to see a really good physical game of football. I can’t really say I’m a hundred percent behind making a claim that its so important, it’s just that I can’t really ignore the numbers or discount the life changing physical mental damage that players have to and do endure.
    Consistent well trained professional refs that have the time to train, practice and hone their skills seems to me an obvious move considering the present landscape of professional sports. Just the time necessary to gain consistency through out their ranks and keep it honed to high level of execution would require a full time commitment.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    That was a classic line. And I couldn’t agree more about the refs being full time.

  5. HawkfaninMT says:

    I am a big Lutui fan. I really hope he excels with the weight loss and can be an upgrade at LG. The tongan culture is just interesting to me. The vegan discrepency aside, whatever he is doing nutrition wise is working as far as fat loss. If he is gaining muscle and speed to go with it, he could be a force with Cable’s guidance.

  6. chuck_easton says:

    I’m all for full time refs. The problem is the most skilled refs we have now have full time jobs that pay much better than the $75,0000.00 refs currently make.

    So either the league phases in the full time refs by replacing current ones as they move on, or they bite the bullet and hire all new full time refs now.

    The second option might be what is behind the current lockout of the refs. Hire full time replacements, live with the growing pains, and blame it on labor strife and not the fact that the current refs refuse to give up their day jobs.

  7. RDPoulsbo says:

    I honestly would be fine with replacing refs who aren’t willing to take it on as a full time job. It would be a change in culture, so for me that would be the preferable way to do it. Yes, that means Ed Hocculi is not likely to go along with that and probably would be a big problem with the referee’s union in general as well. That method would probably be harder to do when you get into the details so a grandfather clause would probably be needed. In the long run, it would be better for the league. The NFL is a different situation than in other major sports. On the one hand, there’s a lot going on and the rules are much more complicated. On the other, they only have to be on the field one day a week, so the other days could be spent on film and discussion with other crews and the league where the other sports don’t have that luxury.

    Carroll is right about the offseason rule. The players should have the right to an offseason, but denying them access to the practice field has it’s own issues. The biggest problem players had trying to work out during the lockout was the issue of liability. If one of the players gets injured on a field somewhere, and that includes at a University, it could mean multi-million dollar lawsuits. I think there’s a balance of accessing facilities insured by the team with prohibiting team organized workouts in there that everyone can agree on.

  8. LouieLouie says:

    Refs do affect the game. I remember the last time the replacement refs worked. They tended to let the players play, and seemed to call a lot fewer of those chicken-shit pass interference and other calls that the regular refs are so quick to call. I was actually sorry to see the regular refs get back on the field because the replacement refs didn’t affect the game as much.

    Lets see how these replacement refs do. After last season, they couldn’t be much worse.

  9. montanamike2 says:

    I agree, the ref’s have been deciding big games including ours in ’05.
    Let them start over without the old habits. The ref’s think it’s all about them when you shouldn’t even notice them.

  10. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    Duke i know a lot of vegitarians that eat fish and chicken, it’s the vegans that don’t eat flesh of any kind.’

  11. SandpointHawk says:

    I had a Tongan who blocked for me and he took it very seriously. Not only on the field, but in the classroom, around school and on the street. Once I was in a spirited discussion with a teacher and Sam started to get out of his chair and the teacher saw my point immediately…Great people…

  12. bbnate420 says:

    I am totally in favor of full time refs as well. SHOCKINGLY, the NFL will have to PAY to have them! They have PLENTY enough money to pay full-time refs as they are the MOST PROFITABLE sport in America. The more important issue IMO is restructuring the system more like it is in college where EVERY play is under review. MORE IMPORTANTLY, they should develop SEPARATE review officials that are NOT a part of the crew that works the game! They could have 1 or 2 officials to review the plays, instead of wasting time by having the head official go to the sideline to review! Also. these officials would feel less obligated to uphold calls by people that are PERCEIVED to be part of THEIR crew! The review officials SHOULD be SEPARATE from the crew working the game. The NUMBER 1 priority SHOULD be getting the call right!

  13. bbnate420 says:

    Also, you are NOT a vegetarian, much less a vegan, if you eat ANY ANIMALS. Vegans don’t believe in using ANY animal products, which is much more hardcore than just not eating meat!

  14. bbnate420 says:

    I think that if Deuce is in shape, which he is by everything I’ve read, he should have a good shot at playing LG if everybody is comPeting! Regardless, he should provide excellent depth if he doesn’t start and keeps focused.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    hawkfaninoklahoma – Not to get into a whole thing here, but I didn’t mention vegetarians. And you don’t know any vegetarians who eat chicken. I realize there is some wiggle room in the vegetarian world regarding fish and seafood, but eating chicken would not allow you to be a vegetarian. As far a vegans go, no animal products can be eaten at all. None. No dairy, no animal byproducts, and certainly no chicken and / or fish. Anyway, not trying to be an ass, just clarifying.

  16. Palerydr says:

    Being a referee is a thankless job no matter how well or poorly they call a game. It’s easy to say they blew a call cause you watch it super slow mo whereas they make the call in real time. I’ve been a referee so I know what happens you doing your best and you will not please everybody it’s a fact.

    How is full time employment defined? do they spend 40 hours a week all year in film/classrooms? How exactly is there time monitored what does that look like? Many people have 2 jobs so if a Referee is hired full time why can’t they keep their other job as long as it doesn’t interfere with their duties as an NFL referee?

    For the record I scream just as loud as anyone over a bad call but I don’t bag on the referee’s like some do that’s just ignorance to me.

  17. bbnate420 says:

    I am not trying to be an “ass” either about vegetarians or vegans! I used to be a vegetarian and it means that you eat NO ANIMALS! You are NOT a vegetarian if you eat chicken or fish. I am NOT arguing the merits of being a vegetarian! I just understand the meaning! Vegetarianism means that you eat NO animals! Being a vegan means that you eat NO animal products, even something such as HONEY! You can eat whatever you want but, don’t assume you meet a certain definition when you DO NOT!

  18. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not sure to whom you are directing that, but chill. For my part, you’ve reiterated what I said, twice now. (Regarding veganism.)

  19. SandpointHawk says:

    I know people who call themselves vegetarians yet eat animal,just not red beef.

    I also know people who call themselves vegans and have Cream of Whatever soup.

    They are wrong in their definition of course but that is what they call themselves.

    IMO it’s not really a worthy topic for the best blog in football.

  20. Dukeshire says:

    Indeed and to that end, here is a very nice, simple primer, from Matt Bowen regarding base run game. Which of course we’ll see a ton of, here.

  21. wabubba67 says:

    Who cares about the definition of vegan v. vegetarian? The important thing to note is that Lutui is in GREAT shape…no matter how he did it.

    The rest belongs on Oprah or Dr. Oz.

  22. SandpointHawk says:

    Wow, that was a flashback to my youth, thanks Duke

  23. Dukeshire says:

    Lol. Totally reminded me of Pop Warner.

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    It’s been about 3 hours since i last ate so I’ll declare myself a vegan for another couple hours.

    Anyone see this? The NFL Game Rewind package for $69.99 will include game film given to teams.

  25. Dukeshire says:

    That is awesome! I am absolutely getting it.

  26. There’s a few different types of vegetarianism. Still, the important thing to remember is that grilled steak is really yummy.

  27. I am now dumber than I already was…


  28. SandpointHawk says:

    Bobby that kinda sums this whole day up nicely….It’s beer thirty somewhere so I’ll check in tomorrow….

  29. From what I’ve heard, Lutui has only practiced at RG, is that correct? Same with Moffitt. I’m waiting to hear when one of these two (likely Moffitt) will be moved to practice on the left side to compete with McQuistan. Lutui was a powerhouse of a RG in AZ and I can’t see him staying on the bench.

    Oh, and vegetarians? I think they’re delicious.

  30. Dukeshire says:

    Why would Moffitt likely be moved. He’s the #1 at RT, now?

  31. RD – thank for the news! That is huge for me. I’ve been subscribing to NFL Rewind for years (if any of you guys haven’t used it, you can not only reply entire games, but also search any plays from any game and reply them. i.e. rewatch all Marshawn’s carries in succession, etc.) But it was always the TV camera view.

    Having the all-22″ coaches view is a huge step forward for all us arm-chair QBs and arm-chair coaches who love watching the DBs and the blocking schemes and everything the TV cameras miss. Its going to be a great season.

  32. Duke – to solve the hole at LG, obviously. Cable needs his most nimble guard at LG. Its not clear yet (at least not to me) who the best LG on this team will be, but I would assume there will be some competition beyond just annointing McQ, who has never shined at LG. Just very curious to see how it plays out.

  33. oh, and I didn’t meant to say that either Moffitt nor Lutui fit the profile of an ideal LG. Neither does. Just saying that – if Lutui and Mofitt are the two best OGs on this team – Lutui seems a real stretch at LG so Moffitt would seem more likely possibility there.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    I see. Interesting thought.

    Also, I’ve never had NFL Rewind before but I absolutely will this season.

  35. bird_spit says:

    Read the article…nicely written, good read. Lutui fits in well..pun intended. Btw, all of this diet talk is a big no op. Lutui said he was on a vegan diet. He didn’t say he still way someone his size and athletic could do it easily.

    Having done it myself, I know how difficult it is in our society. And I’d still be vegan if you would all go that route.. Too many options at the buffet.. And btw, I don’t care that I have leather seats in my truck, and a fishing pole behind the seat. Also, if I accidentally kill a fish, I will eat it.

    Lutui can control his weight is all that matters.

  36. Dave Boling says:

    Wow, I guess I need to include something about a player’s eating habits in each post … stimulates response. (I was delighted the time Red Bryant and Brandon Mebane told me about the damage they used to do at sushi buffets. Picture that.)

    Yes, Deuce said he went vegan but now eats chicken and fish etc. When he told me about lu pulu, a Tongan favorite that is loaded with calcium, he claimed that Tongans have the strongest bones in the world because of all the taro they eat. He added that one of the first Tongan kings was 7 feet tall.

  37. So instead of bringing players to him like TJ did with Lockette, Obamonu, Baldwin bringing them to Alabama to practice with him Flynn is going home before training camp to practice with non Seahawk players? The more I read about Flynn the more I think I know why other teams didn’t want him.

  38. OBTW – nice read on Deuce (I’m smarter for that).

  39. 85 – After they signed Flynn, I thought I read that he’s going to be living in Seattle this entire time, unlike the Alabama boy.

  40. Dukeshire says:

    Dave Boling – Sorry Dave, I may have instigated that. But that’s the second time I’ve read him saying he’s vegan or incorporating meat into his vegan diet. Couldn’t let it go.

  41. According to the article talking about how players aren’t allowed to practice at VMAC leading up to training camp they say Flnn’s going back to LSU to practice with Early Doucet (Cardinal), and Brandon Lafell (Panthers). Flynn probably should get used to throwing passes to Cardinals. Alabama boy I’m imagining makes his regular season home Seattle, and goes south when it’s down time same as Flynn will, but TJ is at least working with our team down there.

  42. I’m vegan, well except for the occasional steak, fish, chicken and pork and my leather shoes, sofa, jacket and the seats in my car. But those animals were all dead when I bought them. I don’t kill any living animals when I prepare meals or buy clothing or furniture.

    There are all types of vegan! I’m a meat eater!

  43. Of course he’s going to make his regular season home in Seattle during the season. What’s he going to do, commute from Alabama to/from practice each day?

    I don’t understand why either of them can’t stay in the Seattle area though, if it’s important for them to be the starter. You can’t tell me that none of the Seattle receivers are in the Seattle area during this time. And maybe if the Alabama bum stayed in Seattle that some of the Seahawk receivers would stay here, you know, where they actually play. You can’t tell me there isn’t a good facility they could work at each day, even if they can’t work out at the team facility. I think I read somewhere where Wilson is going to go back to VA for a few days (football camp) but then stay/prepare in Seattle the entire time. Can anyone verify that this is accurate? If so, that’s what a leader does (or someone who aspires to be a leader and face of the SEATTLE Seahawks.

  44. Forgot to mention eggs. I love eggs and foods that contain eggs.

    Actually, in all seriousness, I am not a vegan (gasp!) but I’m exactly the opposite. I am a plant lover. They are the ultimate most fascinating things on this earth, and they are alive and have feelings! Some plants grow better when you play scat music. I’m not making this up. So, I eat any animal that eats plants, out of spite and revenge.

    You have munched your last grass. You will make a fine t-bone. Hold the broccoli for me.

  45. BobbyK, I can confirm that about Russell Wilson. He said that during an interview on 710 ESPN here in Seattle.

  46. I kinda agree a leader should stay in Seattle to work, but a lot of QB’s don’t I think it’ll be interesting to see if TJ can keep those WR’s with him, or some start to switch camps. I do believe RW is our next franchise QB though, and can just come in leading

  47. RDPoulsbo says:

    There really isn’t a good place for players to practice in Seattle. I remember during the lockout, Hass practiced in California. The attempts to practice in Seattle were met with liability issues so they got kicked off fields they tried to use. It’s what I mentioned about why not being able to use team facilities is a bad thing, especially for Seattle.

  48. Does anyone know where Wilson will be throwing and if he’ll be throwing to any Seahawks?

  49. Dukeshire says:

    This is really a non issue. Most players leave to prepare themselves for camp. Now, if the facilities were open and available, that might be different. But VMAC is not, so how each player chooses to prepares themselves is fine by me, so long as their ready and fit. Flynn working out with members of other teams does not lessen his preparation than Jackson. Who by the way, may do just the same thing, with other Seahawks.

  50. Dukeshire says:


  51. I just think if I was going into a new season with new people I’m expected to lead I’d do what RW is supposedly doing, and find a place near VMAC to work on gel with your WR’s/TE’s. Will it make a huge difference? No, but with reps being divided like they are Flynn/TJ/RW could use that time to their advantage.

  52. Soggybuc says:

    A non Issue indeed. many players do this including QB’s and have every year. Walt was always one of the fist to board the airplane when an OTA or season was done with.
    Sorry to tell you most players prefer to spend their time in warm weather climes. doubly so for those that grew up in one.
    Duke, i think Duece is mostly eating vegetarian to keep good/non fattening calorie intake. but also needs Chicken and Fish for the proteins he needs to for the muscle strength and conditioning needed for an NFL player. so yea Vegan in the off season to keep the weight off and a Hybrid while getting ready to knock Niners on their ass.

  53. Soggybuc, I think we all get that about Lutui, it’s just funny because if you are “mostly” vegetarian or vegan then by definition you are not vegetarian or vegan.

    Also, vegan includes a distinct lifestyle – from not wearing leather or fur to not using certain shampoos or eating breads or cakes that contain dairies, etc. It’s the extreme, which is what makes it so funny. If he had used the term vegetarian, it wouldn’t have been so funny and might have made sense.

  54. I don’t think it’s a big deal for people to train in different sites either. Plenty of guys don’t stick around where they play. Reggie Wayne was always at the ‘U’ and plenty of guys go back to their college, which is fine. I have always thought the QB, the face of your franchise, has a different set of “rules” from everyone else though. I’d like to think that if Flynn wins the job and becomes our clear cut QB entering 2013 that he’ll be in Seattle almost all off-season. That’s just what leaders do (I don’t care about guard, linebackers, etc. and where they train).

  55. Dukeshire says:

    Carson – I honestly don’t think Duece knows there is a difference between Vegan and Vegitarian. He’s neither of course, but it is funny to hear him say it, regardless. Like Soggy said, he can call his diet whatever the hell he wants, if it helps him play well.

  56. I could care less where players are at this time of the year. It’s a total non issue for Flynn and Tjack. They’ll be in camp when it’s necessary and the competition will be won @ the VMAC and during the preseason games.

    Lutui could be a nice pick up. I agree with you Stevos that if Lutui and Moffit are our most healthy OG’s, it’d probably be a good idea to have them both on the field. When Carp comes back, we’re going to have an interesting situation. Although McQuuistan played well, I too don’t see him as a front line starter. I do however see Okung and Unger as unquestionable starters with Moffit, Lutui, Breno and Carp battling it out for the remaining 3 spots with Carp and Breno having the most versatility. Nice problem to have actually. Okung seems the most likely to contend for a pro bowl appearance…is there anyone else on the line that may as well?

    What about the rest of the team not including who made it last year? Sherman? Clemons? Red? Winslow? When I scour over our roster now, I’m absolutely delighted at all the talent we’ve acquired. It’s really pretty amazing. Whereas most new coaches get 3 years to put their stamp on the team in efforts to get them where they want to go, we actually are IMO right on track.

    Wilson is the real wild card. IF we hit on that pick, it’ll be the talk of the league.

    September can’t get here fast enough except for the fact that I love summers and the progress of this team will be extremely entertaining between now and then.

    It’s good to be a Seahawk fan these days.


  57. joereb – I agree. This is a great/exciting time to be a Seahawks fan!

    For me, all of this is nullified if T-Jack is the starter though. If he’s the starter, it’ll be the Twins admitting (w/o admitting) that they are happy with Marty Shottenheimer status (having good teams that can’t/won’t go all the way, but they’ll be good, if not good enough).

    I’m jacked about Flynn or Wilson taking over as inexperienced NFL starters though. They give me hope, whereas T-Jack gives me bad thoughts that aren’t acceptable of a good human being (it’s my Darth Vader side). I still hope/think Flynn will get the nod, but I’m excited about Wilson, too. Whoever starts b/w those two on opening day will be my second favorite player in the NFL (behind that one Titan guy). If it’s not either of those two, I’ll be hoping for injury so one of them get their shot (I could be a politically correct liar, or you could accept the fact that at least I’m honest in wanting what I believe is best for the Seahawks).

  58. bird_spit says:

    Carson – it happens rarely, but your post on being the anti-vegan, because they hurt the beloved plants…I swear to god to neighbors (down the road) could hear me laughing…thanks for that! I woke my house up.

  59. bbnate420 says:

    Duke, don’t be a narcissist! My post were not directed at you, bud! So chill. I was just pointing out the actual definitions of being a vegetarian and vegan. Take it for what it’s worth. I can call myself Michael Jordan but. that doesn’t make it so.

  60. Soggybuc says:

    LOL Carson if you want to go see Duece and critique the “slim’ 328# Tongan on the correct dietary lingo he should use please feel free and good luck with that.

    I think Flynn has been in Seattle since he signed and has already purchased a house.
    Seems crappy for any of us to look down on Flynn or any player from taking this CBA lockout time to get a vacation or time with family in. even the coaching staff is taking vacation time right now

    Truth is every one on the Hawks will be back in town come mid July or so and once they turn the key on 2012 for real it will be nothing but work until January, February if we are lucky.
    We expect a lot out players and they give a lot to the team, the fans and the game. no problem from letting them go be normal people for a little while.

  61. “This is a great/exciting time to be a Seahawks fan! For me, all of this is nullified if T-Jack is the starter though”

    Not at all. If TJack is the starter on opening day it will be for one and only one reason, because he will have demonstrated to his coach that he gives the team the best chance of winning. Period. Same goes for Flynn if he wins the starting job. In either case, it is a win since the best man will have won the right to start based on competition.

    And in the unlikely event that TJack wins the starting job, it will shock everyone except a few of us who understand how tough and competitive he is. It will also cause a lot of people to question Carroll and Schneider for signing Flynn, but I say if the competition makes both guys better QBs then both salaries were money well spent. All that matters in the end is the W.

  62. bbnate420 says:

    I for one 1think that the players should do every I am not willing to do. They have NO right to time with their family or a vacation. Why should they get to rest their battered bodies? ; )

    P.S. That was sarcasm for any posters that are thick as a brick.

  63. bbnate420 says:

    *think*, *everything*

    need to proof read next time

  64. Stevos – “To, me” meant to me, not you. I know you like him and think well enough of him. I don’t. That’s why I said “To me…” :)

  65. Y’all realize that we have at least another month of hashing and rehashing this QB thing…not sure if I’m up for it! :-)

    What will be, will be, and may the best QB win…it’s all good!

  66. To put it in perpective, I had plans to come to Seattle this season for a game and meet up with Duke. I’ve only ever been to two Seahawks home games before (Dallas in ’05 and SF in ’10) But after thinking about the possibility that I could be watching a T-Jack led team, I’ve got those plans on hold. I refuse to spend money on a plane ticket, hotel, and game ticket if there’s a chance T-Jack could destroy my mini-vacation. I will not come out for a game if he’s my QB. Sure, we could win the game but it’d be Martyball in the ‘long run’ (Eagles reference). I will only pay to see Flynn or Wilson, as each of those guys give me HOPE for the future, even if they are inexperienced as NFL starters. If Flynn or Wilson get named the starting QB a few weeks into training camp, I’m going to see what plane tickets cost for the Dallas game and probably come out. It’d be the first home game for either Flynn/Wilson in the start of their era (not to be confused with earned run average) as a Seattle Seahawk. I only hope it turns out better than Rick Mirer (I was at the game where he took his first professional snap and was jacked about it… he held out and he played at Minnesota in a preseason game when he first played… I thought it would be the start of something special, as we all did, but… WRONG… lol).

  67. montanamike2 says:

    Even if Jackson is the starter at the begining of the season, it won’t be that long until he’s injured or pulled.

  68. Turf-toe! Like ’10.

  69. bird_spit says:

    While we are on the subject…not, but is applicable to Lutui

    Can Athletes Perform Well on a Vegan Diet?

  70. Dukeshire says:

    bbnate420 – I said I didn’t know who you were directing that post, but when said you weren’t “trying to be an ass either…”, that, at least, implies it may have been directed to me, since that was a direct reference to my previous post. Has nothing to do with narcissism. My god, relax.

  71. bbnate420 says:

    Well since you mentioned it, I will. ;-)

  72. Dukeshire says:

    There ya go…

  73. Don’t worry Flynn and the Hawks will be on vacation with their family’s in January if Flynnington’s the starter.

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